EPTInterview with DB @ NASL - Page 7
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NotaGoodName
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
DB has no clue what he is talking about, saying that protosses will have to figure something other then 2 base allins and they are doing it for LONG time now and thinking that terran raven micro is not good is hilarious. MKP can micro 50 marines like a boss, but he cant micro awful unit with useless spells, you tell him DB! Thing I hate the most is when they say "if we see that change is too good or too bad for some unit we will always be happy to say we made a mistake and change it back" when in fact that would NEVER happen because blizzard would never admit they made a mistake. They would always boost or nerf another unit than reverting change they made. Saying that HoTS will fix bl/inf is hilarious too, it can only create more imbalance with new units, first you need to fix old units in order to balance new ones. Even tho this is like 10th interview since last patch I have feeling I was watching same interview all 10 times, every answer is same, on their "statistics" terran is still doing amazing (god knows what they are looking probably paper league), even tho there are like 20 players in GM in EU that are terrans and 10 more being their smurfs, oh blizz.. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
Cheers, much better than spending 30+ mins watching it  | ||
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Tuna17
United States1 Post
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:15 Tuna17 wrote: People give DB a hard time but when it comes down to it blizzard will eventually get it right because they make good games. Very excited for HotS! Hope soon means a few weeks. They made ggs. Totally abolishing their precedent philosophy that is to only release a product once quality is ensured. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 04 2012 16:36 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: Anyone remembers when blizzard was trying to hire people for their balance team and requirement was to be at least diamond league? DB has no clue what he is talking about, saying that protosses will have to figure something other then 2 base allins and they are doing it for LONG time now and thinking that terran raven micro is not good is hilarious. MKP can micro 50 marines like a boss, but he cant micro awful unit with useless spells, you tell him DB! Thing I hate the most is when they say "if we see that change is too good or too bad for some unit we will always be happy to say we made a mistake and change it back" when in fact that would NEVER happen because blizzard would never admit they made a mistake. They would always boost or nerf another unit than reverting change they made. Saying that HoTS will fix bl/inf is hilarious too, it can only create more imbalance with new units, first you need to fix old units in order to balance new ones. Even tho this is like 10th interview since last patch I have feeling I was watching same interview all 10 times, every answer is same, on their "statistics" terran is still doing amazing (god knows what they are looking probably paper league), even tho there are like 20 players in GM in EU that are terrans and 10 more being their smurfs, oh blizz.. That job posting was not for the balance team and did state that is had anything to do with balancing SC2 prime. Stating that the applicant be in a least diamond league is just a way to make sure that they are hiring an active player. The major skills they were looking for were, writing, the ability use the map editor and the ability to work with a team. For all we know, they could be working on Blizzard-Dota. I love how false information created by the community just becomes truth and is repeated over and over. I found the interview to be fine. At no point did DB say that terran's raven control was sub-par. He stated that he was a Ravens and HSM used in a professional match(likely GSL) and thought it was compelling. He said that it did not look as refined as other strategies, but this was likely because the person using it does not get to that level of the game often. He was talking about how that is a problem in the late game, that most players do not get to the late game often and players do not get to practice in those situations as much as others. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:42 Xiphos wrote: They made ggs. Totally abolishing their precedent philosophy that is to only release a product once quality is ensured. I'm not gonna ignore that there's plenty of quirks when blizzard releases new stuff, but they're still one of the sole studios that take their time. And don't say it's for anything else than ensuring the game is good, there are plenty of deadlines to be considered in game development... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 04 2012 16:26 NotaGoodName wrote: So... we are letting somebody in platinum league determine balance issues? Well the man has a full time job and likely works over 50-70 hours a week. Most people making video games do not have a lot of time to play them. Platinum among my group of friends is known as the working stiff league. If we expect everyone to be masters a blizzard(which is the top 2%) of the ladder, we better be willing to wait must longer for balance patches and HotS. | ||
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IRL_Sinister
Ireland621 Posts
24:45 How do you feel about the changes made to the Queen at this point? -Terrans still doing runby's with hellions, and banshees and drops. -Not 100% sure -Everything looks balanced from ladder statistics, tournament statistics, tournament results. -Big change but Terran had been dominating for months. -Open to being wrong. What the...? | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On August 04 2012 16:36 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: Anyone remembers when blizzard was trying to hire people for their balance team and requirement was to be at least diamond league? DB has no clue what he is talking about, saying that protosses will have to figure something other then 2 base allins and they are doing it for LONG time now and thinking that terran raven micro is not good is hilarious. MKP can micro 50 marines like a boss, but he cant micro awful unit with useless spells, you tell him DB! Thing I hate the most is when they say "if we see that change is too good or too bad for some unit we will always be happy to say we made a mistake and change it back" when in fact that would NEVER happen because blizzard would never admit they made a mistake. They would always boost or nerf another unit than reverting change they made. Saying that HoTS will fix bl/inf is hilarious too, it can only create more imbalance with new units, first you need to fix old units in order to balance new ones. Even tho this is like 10th interview since last patch I have feeling I was watching same interview all 10 times, every answer is same, on their "statistics" terran is still doing amazing (god knows what they are looking probably paper league), even tho there are like 20 players in GM in EU that are terrans and 10 more being their smurfs, oh blizz.. Shouldn't we be rejoicing? DB has finally concluded that allowing the meta game to play out for more than 2 months is a better idea than knee-jerk buffing/nerfing units and never giving the meta game enough time to develop. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:46 rd wrote: Shouldn't we be rejoicing? DB has finally concluded that allowing the meta game to play out for more than 2 months is a better idea than knee-jerk buffing/nerfing units and never giving the meta game enough time to develop. I think people only want that when their race is doing well. | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
On August 04 2012 16:36 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: Anyone remembers when blizzard was trying to hire people for their balance team and requirement was to be at least diamond league? DB has no clue what he is talking about, saying that protosses will have to figure something other then 2 base allins and they are doing it for LONG time now and thinking that terran raven micro is not good is hilarious. MKP can micro 50 marines like a boss, but he cant micro awful unit with useless spells, you tell him DB! Thing I hate the most is when they say "if we see that change is too good or too bad for some unit we will always be happy to say we made a mistake and change it back" when in fact that would NEVER happen because blizzard would never admit they made a mistake. They would always boost or nerf another unit than reverting change they made. Saying that HoTS will fix bl/inf is hilarious too, it can only create more imbalance with new units, first you need to fix old units in order to balance new ones. Even tho this is like 10th interview since last patch I have feeling I was watching same interview all 10 times, every answer is same, on their "statistics" terran is still doing amazing (god knows what they are looking probably paper league), even tho there are like 20 players in GM in EU that are terrans and 10 more being their smurfs, oh blizz.. oh yeah? i thought they repatched fungal like a week later one time. guess i'm an idiot though. please continue. this is all very productive. and entertaining. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:21 Plansix wrote: Well the man has a full time job and likely works over 50-70 hours a week. Most people making video games do not have a lot of time to play them. Platinum among my group of friends is known as the working stiff league. If we expect everyone to be masters a blizzard(which is the top 2%) of the ladder, we better be willing to wait must longer for balance patches and HotS. Regardless, you'd think they would hire some people who are high skilled RTS players to balance an RTS game around the high skilled bracket. David Kim hasn't had a GM account since like season 2 and overwhelming player testimony shows that Blizz hasn't been in talks with pros like they claimed. The recent "balance" changes to the game have highlighted why you can't have a group of platinum and diamond players balancing the game for the top 5% of GM. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 05 2012 01:29 SupLilSon wrote: Regardless, you'd think they would hire some people who are high skilled RTS players to balance an RTS game around the high skilled bracket. David Kim hasn't had a GM account since like season 2 and overwhelming player testimony shows that Blizz hasn't been in talks with pros like they claimed. The recent "balance" changes to the game have highlighted why you can't have a group of platinum and diamond players balancing the game for the top 5% of GM. Blizzard has said they talk with high level players, but have also found their points of view to be bias and only so useful. They have spoken directly with "knowledgeable observers", which I assume means people like Artosis who have a broader understanding of the game. You would be hard pressed to find anyone in the world who watches more highlevel starcraft 2 than Artosis. This should not be shocking to people, as most professional sports and their rules are controlled by people who are not professional athletes. Skill is not directly related to design and you will find tons of game designers who are not top teir at the games they create. Staying in GM is a huge time commitment which is why you see mostly professional players in there. You cannot expect someone working full time in the gaming industry to keep an account of that level. Also, mechanical skill can decline over time, while your game understanding of the metagame may remain on the cutting edge. Really, all game designers are inherently less skilled at the games they create than community. | ||
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pmp10
3387 Posts
On August 05 2012 03:36 Plansix wrote: Blizzard has said they talk with high level players, but have also found their points of view to be bias and only so useful. They have spoken directly with "knowledgeable observers", which I assume means people like Artosis who have a broader understanding of the game. You would be hard pressed to find anyone in the world who watches more highlevel starcraft 2 than Artosis. This should not be shocking to people, as most professional sports and their rules are controlled by people who are not professional athletes. Wait - what? I like Artosis casting but I think the guy still tells terrans to mech against protoss. If everyone is biased then they simply need to hear everyones perspective. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
1. The original idea behind the unit 2. A statistical analysis of the games where that unit is used and what it should and should not be dying to 3. Overall win rates Browder is actually overqualified, by those standards. You don't have to be a genius player to adjust some numbers on a unit. Most pro gamers couldn't design shit - their perspective is way too biased. | ||
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