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On July 28 2012 05:06 Roxor9999 wrote:
Beta not out ------> complain about balance ??????
This ! Plus the fact that there is also a buff on the Ghost
Cloak the Ghost in WOL and Snipe several things, like Templars or even Broodlords, so, The Ghost will have less snipes available compared to HotS, since in HotS the Energy does increase while being cloaked. I guess that's why Blizzard said that this will be a buff.
No offense to Avilo, but nothing is final until HotS is out and several patches are done. No need to make (in my opinion) senseless threads about a game which is not even out yet.
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Game is not even out, why is this even a topic? Remember that thing the shredder everyone was freaking out about? yeah not even in the game anymore.
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I actually do not have much of an opinion of the ghost because tbh I do not play high level. It is definitely a nerf from the WOL ghost version but as others have pointed out it may be fine in HOTS balance, its not even beta yet so lets see how it goes.
What I would like to say is that Avilo, you basically piss people off in gaming communities because you never give credit to anyone who beats you. Its always "race x is imba", "they used a bad build and got lucky" etc. Idra is douchey like that aswell but gets away with it because at one time he was competing at the highest level of sc2, but still manages to have a lot of haters. So do not be surprised when you have people ready to flame you. You was the same in RA3, pissing off the best players telling them about "the skill differential" among top players, so maybe this is just you.
I watched your stream and overall you seem like a decent guy. Just you have a pretty bad attitude towards your opponents in gaming, which is fine, its up to you, but it will give you haters.
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On July 29 2012 06:46 Swift118 wrote:
I actually do not have much of an opinion of the ghost because tbh I do not play high level. It is definitely a nerf from the WOL ghost version but as others have pointed out it may be fine in HOTS balance, its not even beta yet so lets see how it goes.
What I would like to say is that Avilo, you basically piss people off in gaming communities because you never give credit to anyone who beats you. Its always "race x is imba", "they used a bad build and got lucky" etc. Idra is douchey like that aswell but gets away with it because at one time he was competing at the highest level of sc2, but still manages to have a lot of haters. So do not be surprised when you have people ready to flame you. You was the same in RA3, pissing off the best players telling them about "the skill differential" among top players, so maybe this is just you.
I watched your stream and overall you seem like a decent guy. Just you have a pretty bad attitude towards your opponents in gaming, which is fine, its up to you, but it will give you haters.
Great great points, I agree in pretty much every aspect you have listed there
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On July 29 2012 06:34 GMonster wrote:
Game is not even out, why is this even a topic? Remember that thing the shredder everyone was freaking out about? yeah not even in the game anymore.
I don't understand what is so overwhelmingly wrong with sharing an opinion on how some units are going to work. The whole point of alpha and beta is to get feedback. Feedback includes people making arguments about how overpowered or underpowered certain units can be in various situations, which can be read by Blizzard and taken under consideration. Its true that it could change, but why take the chance? If people want to point these things out then all the more power to them. They're not making any definite statements about the end-game balance, no one has ever made statements to that effect.
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On July 28 2012 05:21 avilo wrote:
Simply don't change it. It's that simple.
Um, why?
Because you're already used to them the way they are?
Your entire thread was about "oh no don't nerf Terran they're too weak" or "I do this thing I won't be able to do anymore". At no point did you weigh the concept as if you were choosing them from scratch.
Seriously, the game is getting a bunch of new units and will go through a host of balance changes through the entire beta. "Nerfs" and "buffs" don't work additively.
Personally I always thought the way Ghosts/Banshees cloak (and in bw as well) was pretty stupid. Managing mana is kind of a nuisance to begin with on regular spellcasters, suddenly with the ghost method you have to weigh considerations like, how long do I need to be cloaked for? what am I going to do once I get there? will i have enough mana to do what I need to do? will I have enough mana to get out? they won't be generating mana during this period either... where will that leave me in 5-10 minutes?
Managing a group of multiple ghosts makes this even more of a nightmare...
The funny thing is, I would actually consider the change overall a buff. Ignoring the argument that it would be easier to handle the ghosts, they spend 25 energy in one go and then immediately start regenerating energy. This basically means that cloak becomes significantly more mana efficient.
I guess from your perspective the only design changes that are acceptable is if everything stays exactly the same except for super simple buffs, like +20 dmg to all avilo units..
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On July 29 2012 06:34 GMonster wrote:
Game is not even out, why is this even a topic? Remember that thing the shredder everyone was freaking out about? yeah not even in the game anymore.
i dont understand the logic you are using.
why exactly, should people not give feedback just because the game isnt available to be bought? its been shown off for months and been played at events repeatedly? people have had the chance to see atleast partially how the changes affect the game.
now it would be insane to say ghosts change is bad to any degree of certainty, but its just as crazy to dismiss talking about it, as if talking about something is ever bad.
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Managing mana is a nuisance? Well so is micro, macro, sending workers to mine, etc, but some of us want a game with a ridiculously high skill ceiling, which by definition means lots of nuisances for you.
I'm glad Blizzard is making you happy at the expense of the game design and top level spectating, since now everyone can do Jangbi-esque storms, etc and things will be getting easier still.
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LOL i just noticed who was the OP lol
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Can we just ignore this kid from here on out after this post? He is a blizzard forumer who constantly whines about balance. This game is not even in beta and he is already whining. Goodness..
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Definitely makes nuking harder, and it's a pretty dumb change regardless. Why would they change cloak? There's nothing wrong with it right now.
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Nukes are some of the biggest crowdpleasers... if the cloak is indeed changed in HotS to 30 seconds duration with 1 minute cooldown, I fear the already low number of games we see nukes being utilised will shrink to... eh, nothingness?
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On July 29 2012 05:30 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The language Browder uses clearly portrays awareness of the strategic disadvantage of this change. It's impossible to inform Blizzard of what they already know.
Furthermore whether or not this change is unnecessary for balancing late game HOTS Terran is impossible for us to tell. It's reasonable to assume that Blizzard believes it is necessary. It is extremely unreasonable to assume that Blizzard knowingly nerfed the ghost without overall balance in mind.
If I were a Blizzard developer, I'd either be insulted by how stupid you think I am or simply laugh off how ridiculous you are. Either way this is an embarrassing installment for SC2's community.
Just like your rant when the concept of the Replicant was announced? (No unit stats, no tech tree, no playable demo, either.)
I'm thinking of a word, and it starts with an H...
Avilo has actual facts and replays to support his case that this is a bad design and makes nukes irrelevant.
You had an animated drawing and some theory crafting to base YOUR rant on.
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On July 29 2012 10:39 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 06:34 GMonster wrote:
Game is not even out, why is this even a topic? Remember that thing the shredder everyone was freaking out about? yeah not even in the game anymore. i dont understand the logic you are using. why exactly, should people not give feedback just because the game isnt available to be bought? its been shown off for months and been played at events repeatedly? people have had the chance to see atleast partially how the changes affect the game. now it would be insane to say ghosts change is bad to any degree of certainty, but its just as crazy to dismiss talking about it, as if talking about something is ever bad.
Giving feedback is futile as no one is looking for it and no one will read it. Feedback aimed towards Blizzard shouldn't be necessary to repost to team liquid in the SC2 general forum (imo). The whole topic is based upon Blizzard changing this without realizing it's a nerf (making the bliz dev team hooting retards) or back to just fairly unnecessary.
The game isn't even in beta. It's ridiculous to give feedback on that. People are told to chill out when there's a patch announced about a balance change that you don't like.
In this thread people are fire up about a change in a game that's in alpha.
We already know that the game will go through ages of alpha and beta testing before being released. Yet we're discussing this without even know whether it's still in the game or not.
It's kind of pointless in every way I can think of, and doesn't really serve a purpose apart from giving terran players an opportunity to tell how worried they are.
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On July 29 2012 11:39 U_G_L_Y wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 05:30 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The language Browder uses clearly portrays awareness of the strategic disadvantage of this change. It's impossible to inform Blizzard of what they already know.
Furthermore whether or not this change is unnecessary for balancing late game HOTS Terran is impossible for us to tell. It's reasonable to assume that Blizzard believes it is necessary. It is extremely unreasonable to assume that Blizzard knowingly nerfed the ghost without overall balance in mind.
If I were a Blizzard developer, I'd either be insulted by how stupid you think I am or simply laugh off how ridiculous you are. Either way this is an embarrassing installment for SC2's community. Just like your rant when the concept of the Replicant was announced? (No unit stats, no tech tree, no playable demo, either.) I'm thinking of a word, and it starts with an H... Avilo has actual facts and replays to support his case that this is a bad design and makes nukes irrelevant. You had an animated drawing and some theory crafting to base YOUR rant on.
Avilo.No 2? Or is this an alt account because anyone with half a brain knows Blizzard KNOWS what they are doing. The fact that he is whining about a design without thinking through WHY blizzard is doing it is just dumb,and HoTs is not released yet, there may be a reason for the nerf as you may be having a buff elsewhere. Blizzard has been in this industry longer then avilo has been playing the game. I say just let them do their job.
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On July 28 2012 12:42 pOnarreT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 12:27 [Azn]Nada wrote:On July 28 2012 12:12 LavaLava wrote:On July 28 2012 12:02 GHSTxJet wrote:
If it upsets you that much just switch races. This really isn't needed. Please respond to the question at hand. It's not needed, but its a GREAT idea. After switching to zerg from terran, I jumped 2 leagues in 2 weeks and haven't looked back. Once you sort of realize terrans are just gonna get nerfed, just get really good at ZvT and call it a day You really think somebody will believe you? You just stated you are still a Terran player in one of your earlier post
LOL my heart is with terran cuz i've played it all these years, but these days, with work stress, it's a lot easier to play zerg. It's not just me, it's 5+ of my friends as well. There's a reason why I'm not maddened at all by the nerf, at this point, it really doesnt affect me anymore.
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On July 29 2012 11:47 [Azn]Nada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 12:42 pOnarreT wrote:On July 28 2012 12:27 [Azn]Nada wrote:On July 28 2012 12:12 LavaLava wrote:On July 28 2012 12:02 GHSTxJet wrote:
If it upsets you that much just switch races. This really isn't needed. Please respond to the question at hand. It's not needed, but its a GREAT idea. After switching to zerg from terran, I jumped 2 leagues in 2 weeks and haven't looked back. Once you sort of realize terrans are just gonna get nerfed, just get really good at ZvT and call it a day You really think somebody will believe you? You just stated you are still a Terran player in one of your earlier post LOL my heart is with terran cuz i've played it all these years, but these days, with work stress, it's a lot easier to play zerg. It's not just me, it's 5+ of my friends as well. There's a reason why I'm not maddened at all by the nerf, at this point, it really doesnt affect me anymore.
Cool, my 100+ friends all switched to terran. Because of work stress, we find it easier to play terran. Nerf doesn't affect me though since I am focusing on solving the problem instead of hoping blizzard finds my comment and think "hey! we should buff terran since this guy says so"
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On July 29 2012 11:44 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 11:39 U_G_L_Y wrote:On July 29 2012 05:30 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The language Browder uses clearly portrays awareness of the strategic disadvantage of this change. It's impossible to inform Blizzard of what they already know.
Furthermore whether or not this change is unnecessary for balancing late game HOTS Terran is impossible for us to tell. It's reasonable to assume that Blizzard believes it is necessary. It is extremely unreasonable to assume that Blizzard knowingly nerfed the ghost without overall balance in mind.
If I were a Blizzard developer, I'd either be insulted by how stupid you think I am or simply laugh off how ridiculous you are. Either way this is an embarrassing installment for SC2's community. Just like your rant when the concept of the Replicant was announced? (No unit stats, no tech tree, no playable demo, either.) I'm thinking of a word, and it starts with an H... Avilo has actual facts and replays to support his case that this is a bad design and makes nukes irrelevant. You had an animated drawing and some theory crafting to base YOUR rant on. Avilo.No 2? Or is this an alt account because anyone with half a brain knows Blizzard KNOWS what they are doing. The fact that he is whining about a design without thinking through WHY blizzard is doing it is just dumb,and HoTs is not released yet, there may be a reason for the nerf as you may be having a buff elsewhere. Blizzard has been in this industry longer then avilo has been playing the game. I say just let them do their job.
Jesus. You make fun of him for being an alt of Avilo? And how do we know you're not a Blizzard employee? They're not angels, they're a company run by humans, and humans are fallible. That's why it's fun and productive to actually talk and hash out arguments to figure out what the truth is. Don't put too much faith in a nebulous "Blizzard must be right" idea. In fact, it should be obvious that Blizzard isn't always right because they themselves retract some of their own decisions. This has already happened in HOTS alone with the loss of the Shredder.
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On July 29 2012 11:50 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 11:44 ImNightmare wrote:On July 29 2012 11:39 U_G_L_Y wrote:On July 29 2012 05:30 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The language Browder uses clearly portrays awareness of the strategic disadvantage of this change. It's impossible to inform Blizzard of what they already know.
Furthermore whether or not this change is unnecessary for balancing late game HOTS Terran is impossible for us to tell. It's reasonable to assume that Blizzard believes it is necessary. It is extremely unreasonable to assume that Blizzard knowingly nerfed the ghost without overall balance in mind.
If I were a Blizzard developer, I'd either be insulted by how stupid you think I am or simply laugh off how ridiculous you are. Either way this is an embarrassing installment for SC2's community. Just like your rant when the concept of the Replicant was announced? (No unit stats, no tech tree, no playable demo, either.) I'm thinking of a word, and it starts with an H... Avilo has actual facts and replays to support his case that this is a bad design and makes nukes irrelevant. You had an animated drawing and some theory crafting to base YOUR rant on. Avilo.No 2? Or is this an alt account because anyone with half a brain knows Blizzard KNOWS what they are doing. The fact that he is whining about a design without thinking through WHY blizzard is doing it is just dumb,and HoTs is not released yet, there may be a reason for the nerf as you may be having a buff elsewhere. Blizzard has been in this industry longer then avilo has been playing the game. I say just let them do their job. Jesus. You make fun of him for being an alt of Avilo? And how do we know you're not a Blizzard employee? They're not angels, they're a company run by humans, and humans are fallible. That's why it's fun and productive to actually talk and hash out arguments to figure out what the truth is. Don't put too much faith in a nebulous "Blizzard must be right" idea. In fact, it should be obvious that Blizzard isn't always right because they themselves retract some of their own decisions. This has already happened in HOTS alone with the loss of the Shredder.
yes, they DO retract their decisions. That's the point I am trying to make dude, they KNOW, if its wrong they will change it back just like the bunker changes and even this ghost change. They will change it back if its wrong, and its still in beta stage. Give them time, it might even be reverted.
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On July 29 2012 11:39 U_G_L_Y wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 05:30 Liquid`NonY wrote:
The language Browder uses clearly portrays awareness of the strategic disadvantage of this change. It's impossible to inform Blizzard of what they already know.
Furthermore whether or not this change is unnecessary for balancing late game HOTS Terran is impossible for us to tell. It's reasonable to assume that Blizzard believes it is necessary. It is extremely unreasonable to assume that Blizzard knowingly nerfed the ghost without overall balance in mind.
If I were a Blizzard developer, I'd either be insulted by how stupid you think I am or simply laugh off how ridiculous you are. Either way this is an embarrassing installment for SC2's community. Just like your rant when the concept of the Replicant was announced? (No unit stats, no tech tree, no playable demo, either.) I'm thinking of a word, and it starts with an H... Avilo has actual facts and replays to support his case that this is a bad design and makes nukes irrelevant. You had an animated drawing and some theory crafting to base YOUR rant on.
Tyler actually had a point and indicated the flawed logic of the Replicant.
Guess what unit isn't going to be in HOTS?
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