On July 26 2012 00:32 FireBlast! wrote: I think SC2 Protoss does not favour Bisu... I see him as more of a MMA-style Terran
He did say in BW that he likes to play aggressively and that in SC2 the playstyle of Protoss is not agressive. So part of me wonders if it's just a general playstyle difference that is tripping him up so much.
I remember him saying that he can't profit of his multitasking with protoss in SC2, had to dig out the interview again though... The translation was posted somewhere here in the forums.
"A lot of people say your advantage in Brood War was your excellent mechanics and multi-tasking. But with the easier interface, do you think your advantage has been reduced?
The racial balance is a bit different in this game, and the unit counter relationships are totally different. So far, I don't really feel the need for so much multi-tasking with Starcraft II Protoss. So right now, I don't really know what the advantage/disadvantage is of having fast hands."
On July 26 2012 01:31 GinDo wrote: I think Bisu needs to switch to Terran. His strength is Multitasking, and Protoss has non of that(If you want to win the game that is). I don't know, maybe he'll pull out some crazy WP strats. But, right now, and even from the way HOTS looks like, their isn't much to Multitask as a Protoss.
This is true. Protoss multitask is mainly on the defense side (defending multi pronge attacks) and also in the mid to late game with wrap prism. And even with prisms, it is more like flying prism over and warping it zealots and maybe targeting drones or buildings. Stuff like storm drops is still rare.
JD still seems to be pretty rusty against 2 base all ins from P. As long as he can practice the correct reactions to them then he should get better against P, but other than that he seems to be destroying in the other matchups. I would have had Effort as the best Kespa player until he failed in the OSL (or WCS can't remember) prelims, and lost twice in one PL match.
Stork seems to be very average, Bisu probably the worst out of all players, can't judge Fantasy because he hasn't played in PL much + he has BW OSL, and Flash is really freaking gosu although it's not showing in PL. Flash doesn't drop much, which I think he needs to do more of.
On July 26 2012 00:19 Chaggi wrote: When will this crappy hybrid proleague end anyways? I want to see them actually practice SC2 instead of trying to prepare for both.
Yeah same, kinda annoyed the GSL players talking shit when Kespa players have to split their time between two games.
Really really want to see Kespa devote everything they have, though the transition to SC2 hasn't been that smooth for the fans so I think hybrid Proleague will continue next season as well.
what? Almost ALL the GSL players have been very complimentary of the Kespa players and have acknowledged that having to play both games is very tough. The only player I have seen talk shit was MKP when he mentioned Reality in his Code A interview. But that was said because Reality said he could beat any GSL Zerg just because he beat Symbol ( he did play well vs Symbol but if you look at the games, Symbol was playing pretty poorly)
Agreed, symbol has the Team League/Individual League curse going on with him, nothing about him particularly impresses me anymore, but with that DRG looked terrible against naniwa, zergs seem to be slumping a little bit somehow. Reality played pretty good though, if symbol played how he can play he wouldn't of won though.
On July 26 2012 01:37 RinconH wrote: Cool post but it'd be even cooler if there was some discussion of not just whether they are winning or losing but how they are playing the game.
My biggest hope for the BW influx is not that we will have guys who can train up to beat GSL players at their own game but rather guys who will change the game.
SC2 is supposed to be mechanically easier so I want to see guys with better mechanics playing all over the map, doing different splits/flanks/multi-pronged harrass etc.
Well there is no real discussion to be had, most of the BW players are transitioning what all players did throughout the beta and first few seasons of GSL or doing cheesy builds built off of BW like hiding tech.
Once they understand the game the real strategies will be coming out. You have to remember that it took a long time for BW to finally settle into a solid state, countless players redefined the game. I believe a few of the KeSPA players may crush GSL players at their own game, but I doubt any will bring something new to the table that change the matchups. At least before HoTS and that puts everything up in the air.
On July 26 2012 00:32 FireBlast! wrote: I think SC2 Protoss does not favour Bisu... I see him as more of a MMA-style Terran
He did say in BW that he likes to play aggressively and that in SC2 the playstyle of Protoss is not agressive. So part of me wonders if it's just a general playstyle difference that is tripping him up so much.
I huess shame on me for thinking that i wouldnt get gsl spoilers in a thread about bw players in sc2. Either way, good thread. Fille in holes in my knowledge about people besidesjaedong and flash and bisu
I feel bad for bisu the most. His wcs games were so bad. They were some of the worst games I've ever seen from a pro. Someone needs to tell him sentries only tickle enemies and you need an actual army to back them up.
On July 26 2012 01:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Jangbi's worth a mention too as someone who looks to have taken to Sc2 really well. Which Kespa player has the best win rate so far?
On July 26 2012 00:32 FireBlast! wrote: I think SC2 Protoss does not favour Bisu... I see him as more of a MMA-style Terran
He did say in BW that he likes to play aggressively and that in SC2 the playstyle of Protoss is not agressive. So part of me wonders if it's just a general playstyle difference that is tripping him up so much.
He needs to watch HerO :s
There is big gap between what hero does in PvZ and what Protoss in BW can do in general (all 3 MU). Playing protoss is playing PvZ, PvT, PvP.
On July 26 2012 01:58 Canucklehead wrote: I feel bad for bisu the most. His wcs games were so bad. They were some of the worst games I've ever seen from a pro. Someone needs to tell him sentries only tickle enemies and you need an actual army to back them up.
Well the difference between BW and SC2 is that in Brood War, as long as you have the mechanics to back it up, you can win with only one type of unit and just power through. Its a different story because SC2 don't have that.
Bisu needs to innovate Warp Prism drops, maybe doing double drops, one with a collossus and the other with sentries . Ok High Templars and Sentries are more convenient lol.
On July 26 2012 02:13 MetalPanda wrote: Bisu needs to innovate Warp Prism drops, maybe doing double drops, one with a collossus and the other with sentries . Ok High Templars and Sentries are more convenient lol.
He needs to stop dieing to standard 2 Medivac timings before he can start doing that
On July 26 2012 01:58 Canucklehead wrote: I feel bad for bisu the most. His wcs games were so bad. They were some of the worst games I've ever seen from a pro. Someone needs to tell him sentries only tickle enemies and you need an actual army to back them up.
Well the difference between BW and SC2 is that in Brood War, as long as you have the mechanics to back it up, you can win with only one type of unit and just power through. Its a different story because SC2 don't have that.
Let's clarify here. BW's higher skill ceiling had strats that were impossible if you didn't have Bisu-level APM, like sair-reaver. SC2 just doesn't have barriers on that level, not to mention Protoss units aren't even stronger than their counterparts since all races have a dragoon.
And doing that stuff at 400 real APM is much more difficult than 'picking a good unit composition.'
I dont think Bisu is that much of a quiter. Even if he never won an OSL, he is still was one of the best brood war players in the world. The thing is he also started practicing starcraft 2 and if he started I dont see why you would waste time so much.
It's not really about style or whatever for Bisu. From what I have seen he's just bad at SC2 right now. The only thing he need to improve is his overall skill.
On July 26 2012 01:58 Canucklehead wrote: I feel bad for bisu the most. His wcs games were so bad. They were some of the worst games I've ever seen from a pro. Someone needs to tell him sentries only tickle enemies and you need an actual army to back them up.
Well the difference between BW and SC2 is that in Brood War, as long as you have the mechanics to back it up, you can win with only one type of unit and just power through. Its a different story because SC2 don't have that.
Let's clarify here. BW's higher skill ceiling had strats that were impossible if you didn't have Bisu-level APM, like sair-reaver. SC2 just doesn't have barriers on that level, not to mention Protoss units aren't even stronger than their counterparts since all races have a dragoon.
And doing that stuff at 400 real APM is much more difficult than 'picking a good unit composition.'
He should have use dat apm to make more them sentries forcefields haha.
On July 26 2012 02:43 Wildmoon wrote: It's not really about style or whatever for Bisu. From what I have seen he's just bad at SC2 right now. The only thing he need to improve is his overall skill.
Wrong, he have TOP level multitask but the style in which Protoss is suppose to be played have hampered his ability. It is really about style or whatever for him.
On July 26 2012 02:43 Wildmoon wrote: It's not really about style or whatever for Bisu. From what I have seen he's just bad at SC2 right now. The only thing he need to improve is his overall skill.
Wrong, he have TOP level multitask but the style in which Protoss is suppose to be played have hampered his ability. It is really about style or whatever for him.
No, before you will worry about style you will have to be atleast good at the game first. His multitask is great and all but the fact is it's different game. The pace is different. It's not like you can suddenly use your BW's multitask in SC2. Right now he won't do any better if he switch to terran or zerg.
EPT
. Ok High Templars and Sentries are more convenient lol.
