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On July 26 2012 01:28 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 01:17 Condor Hero wrote:On July 26 2012 00:42 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2012 00:22 Condor Hero wrote:On July 26 2012 00:19 Chaggi wrote:
When will this crappy hybrid proleague end anyways? I want to see them actually practice SC2 instead of trying to prepare for both. Yeah same, kinda annoyed the GSL players talking shit when Kespa players have to split their time between two games. Really really want to see Kespa devote everything they have, though the transition to SC2 hasn't been that smooth for the fans so I think hybrid Proleague will continue next season as well. Where are GSL players talking shit exactly? And there is absolutely no way they will have another hybrid proleague, Kespa should know by now its a dumb idea. Just read recent interviews after GSL, OSL and WCS, basically it would shame any GSL player to lose to Kespa player as it stands now. Source on the hybrid league still continuing (I hope it changes but that's all I've heard) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353303 Well ofc it would shame, you got people playing 2 games at the same time and others 1. I don't think its meant disrespectful, hell didn't soulkey said the same? And dam. if that is truly keeps going on i feel sorry for the kespa players.
No, that decision was in answer to the request to change this season's format to hybrid. Next season will 100% be SC2 only.
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JanBi's PvZ is the most impressive I've seen yet out of all Kespa players.
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LOL at the Bisu bashing.
Bisu is experimenting - OH NO !!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE HE !!!!!!!!!! ROFL
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On July 25 2012 23:42 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
We can only hope that Bisu "gets it" soon - it would be such a shame for a gifted player like Bisu if this is how it ends for him.
How is Bisu gifted? I thought it's about practice and passion for the game.
On July 26 2012 01:40 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 01:31 GinDo wrote:
I think Bisu needs to switch to Terran. His strength is Multitasking, and Protoss has non of that(If you want to win the game that is). I don't know, maybe he'll pull out some crazy WP strats. But, right now, and even from the way HOTS looks like, their isn't much to Multitask as a Protoss. This is true. Protoss multitask is mainly on the defense side (defending multi pronge attacks) and also in the mid to late game with wrap prism. And even with prisms, it is more like flying prism over and warping it zealots and maybe targeting drones or buildings. Stuff like storm drops is still rare.
Wasn't there a rumour that Bisu wanted to switch to Terran before we saw his MLG appearance?
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On July 26 2012 16:33 Parcelleus wrote:
LOL at the Bisu bashing.
Bisu is experimenting - OH NO !!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE HE !!!!!!!!!! ROFL
He's been playing pretty standard mostly. For some reason he just ends up making a bad decision here or there and loses. He'll get it eventually.
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On July 26 2012 16:40 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 23:42 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
We can only hope that Bisu "gets it" soon - it would be such a shame for a gifted player like Bisu if this is how it ends for him. How is Bisu gifted? I thought it's about practice and passion for the game. Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 01:40 vthree wrote:On July 26 2012 01:31 GinDo wrote:
I think Bisu needs to switch to Terran. His strength is Multitasking, and Protoss has non of that(If you want to win the game that is). I don't know, maybe he'll pull out some crazy WP strats. But, right now, and even from the way HOTS looks like, their isn't much to Multitask as a Protoss. This is true. Protoss multitask is mainly on the defense side (defending multi pronge attacks) and also in the mid to late game with wrap prism. And even with prisms, it is more like flying prism over and warping it zealots and maybe targeting drones or buildings. Stuff like storm drops is still rare. Wasn't there a rumour that Bisu wanted to switch to Terran before we saw his MLG appearance?
Bisu has one of the best multi-tasking abilities out of all the BW pros. In BW, he specialized in mass harassment and map control with stuff like Corsairs picking off Overlords, random Zealot harassment to Zerg expos, while macroing up a storm. It's why his PvZ in BW was considered one of, if not the strongest, while his PvT was relatively weak. PvZ is all about map control and keeping Zerg under control while PvT was more of a mass-expand, mass-maco, and basically throw shit at the meching Terran before they get a 3/3 mech ball. I'm way oversimplifying but that's the general idea. All the top BW pros have incredibly practice discipline and passion for the game ('cept maybe Stork  )
I think Bisu himself said or was rumored to say that Terran suited his style more. But fans wanted to see one of the best Protoss players of all time continue to play Protoss so... Honestly I think he'll be better off switching races even though I really want to see him succeed with Protoss.
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On July 26 2012 02:05 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 01:47 MrMercuG wrote:On July 26 2012 00:35 vesicular wrote:On July 26 2012 00:32 FireBlast! wrote:
I think SC2 Protoss does not favour Bisu... I see him as more of a MMA-style Terran He did say in BW that he likes to play aggressively and that in SC2 the playstyle of Protoss is not agressive. So part of me wonders if it's just a general playstyle difference that is tripping him up so much. He needs to watch HerO :s There is big gap between what hero does in PvZ and what Protoss in BW can do in general (all 3 MU). Playing protoss is playing PvZ, PvT, PvP.
Well, PvP is by nature already very agressive for a long time. Only the rare games that go to the lategame become somewhat passive, while warp prism harras is still possible.
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On July 26 2012 00:27 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 00:21 opterown wrote:jangbi was pretty impressive :D as someone who didn't follow BW that much i think my favourites are  JangBi and  Jaedong! I need to find a terran to support =] I rec BaBy! Only 17 and already a veteran (sort of)
exactly what I was about to say.
Baby is such an exceptionally talented player... and such a fast player.
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You know when a baby prods and pokes its environment and eventually gets hurt by poking the wrong thing?
Even Einstein and Born were babies once. Give Bisu time.
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Stork seems to getting more solid grasp, he is looking already decent in PvT though im not expert in this MU but certainly strong in Kespa PvT. Day and night difference compared to how he looked at MLG where he was missing forcefields on ramp.
Stork was always the type of player who excelled in smart technical play, clever build orders and preparation and those things always come last. I think Jangbi will bloom earlier, he is younger, more fierce version of Stork. Stork will regain composure whenever he finally get grasp on current metagame and game mechanics.
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Man, poor bisu.. I really hope he works out what he's finding wrong or at least tries learning and playing Terran to see if it fits his style better.
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On July 26 2012 09:30 Coolness53 wrote:
Reality - Reality started with the Proleague Season 2 started out with a record 2-3 in the 1st round. In the 2nd round he had a better record for his Starcraft II games with a 2-1. First non-team game was in the OSL KeSPA Preliminaries was not very successful. Reality lost his very first match to StarDust 2-1. Reality didn't seem to be on anyone radar but then the magic happened. He went into the WCS where KESPA/Non-Kespa players were playing against each other. Beating Symbol 2-0 and Heart 2-1. Heart was the only person to take a game off of him during the WCS. He was the only KESPA player to make it through the preliminaries without being qualified. Reality seems like he maybe a force to reckon with. Time will only tell if he can play with the other big name Non-KESPA players.
We will see how Reality does in WCG  .
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On July 26 2012 03:10 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 02:48 Wildmoon wrote:On July 26 2012 02:46 Xiphos wrote:On July 26 2012 02:43 Wildmoon wrote:
It's not really about style or whatever for Bisu. From what I have seen he's just bad at SC2 right now. The only thing he need to improve is his overall skill. Wrong, he have TOP level multitask but the style in which Protoss is suppose to be played have hampered his ability. It is really about style or whatever for him. No, before you will worry about style you will have to be atleast good at the game first. His multitask is great and all but the fact is it's different game. The pace is different. It's not like you can suddenly use your BW's multitask in SC2. Right now he won't do any better if he switch to terran or zerg. You just shot yourself in your own foot by agreeing that the races are played differently. Beside Bisu is still 50/50 with Brood War and StarCraft 2 while others are most 80% SC2 and 20% BW. And oh in BW, Terran was the defensive race, Protoss was the aggressive one. In SC2, the whole dyanamics have shifted vice versa since Siege Tanks are nerfed to oblivion, Terran getting a shitload of harass oriented units while Protoss have lost pretty much most of their offensive aspects and Bisu took advantage of them. As many have said in the thread, he would fare much better if he switched races because the race as a whole don't reward aggressive plays nearly as much as its older brother.
I said "the pace is different"... and my point is that he lacks the overall SC2 skill right now. Other Protosses from BW can adapt much better than him regardless of thier style. Before finding your style in the new game the first thing you need to do is to be good at it. Did you watch his games in SC2? He is not even at the stage where he have to worry about how he will use his multitasking right now.
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On July 26 2012 17:05 Evangelist wrote:
You know when a baby prods and pokes its environment and eventually gets hurt by poking the wrong thing?
Even Einstein and Born were babies once. Give Bisu time.
Yeah, in fact, Einstein only started talking at the age of 3, and even then he could only speak german!
Seriously though, Bisu and the other BW legends have a bright future ahead if they keep playing SC2. Having a "rough" start is to be expected of people that don't know how to play the game, they don't know what unit compositions and strategies work, even if their hands are fast as lightning. Give them time.
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Seeing Bisu switch to Terran and succeeding would be better than him sticking to Protoss and failing. Plus if he gets the hang of Terran bio, and starts dropping everywhere like MMA did in his prime, Bisu could potentially be a freaking monster. He just has to play to his strengths.
Here's hoping he switches.
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On July 27 2012 03:47 Coolness53 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 09:30 Coolness53 wrote:
Reality - Reality started with the Proleague Season 2 started out with a record 2-3 in the 1st round. In the 2nd round he had a better record for his Starcraft II games with a 2-1. First non-team game was in the OSL KeSPA Preliminaries was not very successful. Reality lost his very first match to StarDust 2-1. Reality didn't seem to be on anyone radar but then the magic happened. He went into the WCS where KESPA/Non-Kespa players were playing against each other. Beating Symbol 2-0 and Heart 2-1. Heart was the only person to take a game off of him during the WCS. He was the only KESPA player to make it through the preliminaries without being qualified. Reality seems like he maybe a force to reckon with. Time will only tell if he can play with the other big name Non-KESPA players. We will see how Reality does in WCG .
Do you mean WCS, right? or will there be WCG qualifiers anytime soon?
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On July 27 2012 04:36 renezerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 03:47 Coolness53 wrote:On July 26 2012 09:30 Coolness53 wrote:
Reality - Reality started with the Proleague Season 2 started out with a record 2-3 in the 1st round. In the 2nd round he had a better record for his Starcraft II games with a 2-1. First non-team game was in the OSL KeSPA Preliminaries was not very successful. Reality lost his very first match to StarDust 2-1. Reality didn't seem to be on anyone radar but then the magic happened. He went into the WCS where KESPA/Non-Kespa players were playing against each other. Beating Symbol 2-0 and Heart 2-1. Heart was the only person to take a game off of him during the WCS. He was the only KESPA player to make it through the preliminaries without being qualified. Reality seems like he maybe a force to reckon with. Time will only tell if he can play with the other big name Non-KESPA players. We will see how Reality does in WCG . Do you mean WCS, right? or will there be WCG qualifiers anytime soon?
tomorrow i think
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thought some of the kespa players train one game only. I was actually surprised how fast some caught up, but they were already playing sc2 in their free time before. They are still far away, but that was to be expected. Just hope the kespa players don't get lazy like everyone else, so the level will make a jump after they caught up and settled into. And of course curious how many will manage the transition.
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On July 26 2012 17:05 Evangelist wrote:
You know when a baby prods and pokes its environment and eventually gets hurt by poking the wrong thing?
Even Einstein and Born were babies once. Give Bisu time.
Right on! And he's winning now isn't he? Baby steps.
EDIT: And yeah, BABY!!!! LOL!
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