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On July 21 2012 03:27 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:44 resilve wrote:On July 21 2012 02:35 lubu42 wrote:
This is so sad. I'm such a huge fan of MMA and I can't believe a team such as SlayerS would do this, especially without giving a reason :/ I hope atleast the reason is legitimate. Why would they give a reason if its embarassing or shameful? If it was embarrassing or shameful, MMA would not be against the punishment as stated in the OP. Also, if it was truly of a sensitive nature, Slayers didn't have to issue press materials about it ASAP, they could have kept it quiet in many other ways. Obviously they are quite good at silencing their players, so they clearly could have not issued a PR and told all their players to keep it quiet. They chose to publicize MMA's demotion and expulsion and the fact he wants to join another team. They chose to leave the reasoning for the punishment as unstated. I think the writing is on the wall, and its ugly, but people's respect for Boxer is holding them back from making the obvious conclusion. I don't think Boxer's in charge there anymore. None of this reconciles with anything I've come to learn about Boxer these past 2 years of following SC2 closely.
You are into this SlayerS management bashing, don't you? Every statement you make here is about how SlayerS silence their players, keep them under the heel or so. Do you have any special knowledge in that matter or you pick those claims directly from your arse? Cause all I see you are doing here you are picking sides on baseless grounds. If you have any knowledge about the matter please share with us. Tell us the source of those revelations. Until you do so, you are just hating and spreading shit on people, based on the fact you created in your own mind. Tell me please do you hate Jessica or Cella that much? Cause all this stuff you are saying leads me to this conclusion.
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On July 21 2012 06:11 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:27 dsousa wrote:On July 21 2012 02:44 resilve wrote:On July 21 2012 02:35 lubu42 wrote:
This is so sad. I'm such a huge fan of MMA and I can't believe a team such as SlayerS would do this, especially without giving a reason :/ I hope atleast the reason is legitimate. Why would they give a reason if its embarassing or shameful? If it was embarrassing or shameful, MMA would not be against the punishment as stated in the OP. Also, if it was truly of a sensitive nature, Slayers didn't have to issue press materials about it ASAP, they could have kept it quiet in many other ways. Obviously they are quite good at silencing their players, so they clearly could have not issued a PR and told all their players to keep it quiet. They chose to publicize MMA's demotion and expulsion and the fact he wants to join another team. They chose to leave the reasoning for the punishment as unstated. I think the writing is on the wall, and its ugly, but people's respect for Boxer is holding them back from making the obvious conclusion. I don't think Boxer's in charge there anymore. None of this reconciles with anything I've come to learn about Boxer these past 2 years of following SC2 closely. You are into this SlayerS management bashing, don't you? Every statement you make here is about how SlayerS silence their players, keep them under the heel or so. Do you have any special knowledge in that matter or you pick those claims directly from your arse? Cause all I see you are doing here you are picking sides on baseless grounds. If you have any knowledge about the matter please share with us. Tell us the source of those revelations. Until you do so, you are just hating and spreading shit on people, based on the fact you created in your own mind. Tell me please do you hate Jessica or Cella that much? Cause all this stuff you are saying leads me to this conclusion.
His conclusions aren't illogical. Obviously, you couldn't call his conclusions absolute, but given the little information we do have his conclusions do seem to be within the realm of possible truth AND backed by about as much evidence as anyone else has.
I don't know that it's an "obvious conclusion" but it is just as unfair to suggest it impossible that SlayerS management is acting anything but morally/truthfully as it is to suggest the opposite. The truth is that no-one can know until everyone can know, and all we can do in the meantime is suggest hypotheticals and pose them against the little information we do have. Try not to take it personally ;P
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On July 21 2012 10:07 Staboteur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:11 Roman666 wrote:On July 21 2012 03:27 dsousa wrote:On July 21 2012 02:44 resilve wrote:On July 21 2012 02:35 lubu42 wrote:
This is so sad. I'm such a huge fan of MMA and I can't believe a team such as SlayerS would do this, especially without giving a reason :/ I hope atleast the reason is legitimate. Why would they give a reason if its embarassing or shameful? If it was embarrassing or shameful, MMA would not be against the punishment as stated in the OP. Also, if it was truly of a sensitive nature, Slayers didn't have to issue press materials about it ASAP, they could have kept it quiet in many other ways. Obviously they are quite good at silencing their players, so they clearly could have not issued a PR and told all their players to keep it quiet. They chose to publicize MMA's demotion and expulsion and the fact he wants to join another team. They chose to leave the reasoning for the punishment as unstated. I think the writing is on the wall, and its ugly, but people's respect for Boxer is holding them back from making the obvious conclusion. I don't think Boxer's in charge there anymore. None of this reconciles with anything I've come to learn about Boxer these past 2 years of following SC2 closely. You are into this SlayerS management bashing, don't you? Every statement you make here is about how SlayerS silence their players, keep them under the heel or so. Do you have any special knowledge in that matter or you pick those claims directly from your arse? Cause all I see you are doing here you are picking sides on baseless grounds. If you have any knowledge about the matter please share with us. Tell us the source of those revelations. Until you do so, you are just hating and spreading shit on people, based on the fact you created in your own mind. Tell me please do you hate Jessica or Cella that much? Cause all this stuff you are saying leads me to this conclusion. His conclusions aren't illogical. Obviously, you couldn't call his conclusions absolute, but given the little information we do have his conclusions do seem to be within the realm of possible truth AND backed by about as much evidence as anyone else has. I don't know that it's an "obvious conclusion" but it is just as unfair to suggest it impossible that SlayerS management is acting anything but morally/truthfully as it is to suggest the opposite. The truth is that no-one can know until everyone can know, and all we can do in the meantime is suggest hypotheticals and pose them against the little information we do have. Try not to take it personally ;P
OK lets assume that MMA did something which warranted punishment, and Boxer/Jessica (the actual little pieces of evidence point to Boxer as the one who handed down the punishment) decides that the punishment in question should be making him leave the team-house and go to the B team. MMA doesn't like this and speaks up against it. Thats all fine, but then Slayers decides to make this whole punishment part public without a reason and MMA at the Code A matches is obviously upset but bearing it. It might seem like he has accepted his punishment finally but this doesn't bode well for SlayerS once his contract comes to an end. I really really feel that SlayerS might have already made up their mind that they are going to let him go if it comes down to that and are just delaying him by the duration of his contract period.
One thing that really bothers me is that what could have been so terrible that they had to do this. I have a strong feeling that whatever happend was so bad it can't be brought to the public as it would hurt MMA more than it does SlayerS. And this might be the reason that though MMA obviously doesn't like this whole thing he isn't acting out too much (apart from removing the SlayerS tag from his twitter) and saying clearly in the interview that he doesn't want to discuss what is going on (ie complying with orders from the team). What could he have possibly done for such a huge mysterious drama to erupt?
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On July 21 2012 11:07 iDope wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 10:07 Staboteur wrote:On July 21 2012 06:11 Roman666 wrote:On July 21 2012 03:27 dsousa wrote:On July 21 2012 02:44 resilve wrote:On July 21 2012 02:35 lubu42 wrote:
This is so sad. I'm such a huge fan of MMA and I can't believe a team such as SlayerS would do this, especially without giving a reason :/ I hope atleast the reason is legitimate. Why would they give a reason if its embarassing or shameful? If it was embarrassing or shameful, MMA would not be against the punishment as stated in the OP. Also, if it was truly of a sensitive nature, Slayers didn't have to issue press materials about it ASAP, they could have kept it quiet in many other ways. Obviously they are quite good at silencing their players, so they clearly could have not issued a PR and told all their players to keep it quiet. They chose to publicize MMA's demotion and expulsion and the fact he wants to join another team. They chose to leave the reasoning for the punishment as unstated. I think the writing is on the wall, and its ugly, but people's respect for Boxer is holding them back from making the obvious conclusion. I don't think Boxer's in charge there anymore. None of this reconciles with anything I've come to learn about Boxer these past 2 years of following SC2 closely. You are into this SlayerS management bashing, don't you? Every statement you make here is about how SlayerS silence their players, keep them under the heel or so. Do you have any special knowledge in that matter or you pick those claims directly from your arse? Cause all I see you are doing here you are picking sides on baseless grounds. If you have any knowledge about the matter please share with us. Tell us the source of those revelations. Until you do so, you are just hating and spreading shit on people, based on the fact you created in your own mind. Tell me please do you hate Jessica or Cella that much? Cause all this stuff you are saying leads me to this conclusion. His conclusions aren't illogical. Obviously, you couldn't call his conclusions absolute, but given the little information we do have his conclusions do seem to be within the realm of possible truth AND backed by about as much evidence as anyone else has. I don't know that it's an "obvious conclusion" but it is just as unfair to suggest it impossible that SlayerS management is acting anything but morally/truthfully as it is to suggest the opposite. The truth is that no-one can know until everyone can know, and all we can do in the meantime is suggest hypotheticals and pose them against the little information we do have. Try not to take it personally ;P OK lets assume that MMA did something which warranted punishment, and Boxer/Jessica (the actual little pieces of evidence point to Boxer as the one who handed down the punishment) decides that the punishment in question should be making him leave the team-house and go to the B team. MMA doesn't like this and speaks up against it. Thats all fine, but then Slayers decides to make this whole punishment part public without a reason and MMA at the Code A matches is obviously upset but bearing it. It might seem like he has accepted his punishment finally but this doesn't bode well for SlayerS once his contract comes to an end. I really really feel that SlayerS might have already made up their mind that they are going to let him go if it comes down to that and are just delaying him by the duration of his contract period. One thing that really bothers me is that what could have been so terrible that they had to do this. I have a strong feeling that whatever happend was so bad it can't be brought to the public as it would hurt MMA more than it does SlayerS. And this might be the reason that though MMA obviously doesn't like this whole thing he isn't acting out too much (apart from removing the SlayerS tag from his twitter) and saying clearly in the interview that he doesn't want to discuss what is going on (ie complying with orders from the team). What could he have possibly done for such a huge mysterious drama to erupt?
where are you getting that idea?
the article was probably write the article after the writer heard something from someone, nothing official. if they dont want to disclose it, leave it at that. i dont see the reason to talk shit about slayers or mma. people are speculating out of their ass without anything concrete. and most are baseless speculations based on negative bias towards jessica.
for every scenario someone suggests, there are other possible scenarios. we know nothing.
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On July 21 2012 11:59 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 11:07 iDope wrote:On July 21 2012 10:07 Staboteur wrote:On July 21 2012 06:11 Roman666 wrote:On July 21 2012 03:27 dsousa wrote:On July 21 2012 02:44 resilve wrote:On July 21 2012 02:35 lubu42 wrote:
This is so sad. I'm such a huge fan of MMA and I can't believe a team such as SlayerS would do this, especially without giving a reason :/ I hope atleast the reason is legitimate. Why would they give a reason if its embarassing or shameful? If it was embarrassing or shameful, MMA would not be against the punishment as stated in the OP. Also, if it was truly of a sensitive nature, Slayers didn't have to issue press materials about it ASAP, they could have kept it quiet in many other ways. Obviously they are quite good at silencing their players, so they clearly could have not issued a PR and told all their players to keep it quiet. They chose to publicize MMA's demotion and expulsion and the fact he wants to join another team. They chose to leave the reasoning for the punishment as unstated. I think the writing is on the wall, and its ugly, but people's respect for Boxer is holding them back from making the obvious conclusion. I don't think Boxer's in charge there anymore. None of this reconciles with anything I've come to learn about Boxer these past 2 years of following SC2 closely. You are into this SlayerS management bashing, don't you? Every statement you make here is about how SlayerS silence their players, keep them under the heel or so. Do you have any special knowledge in that matter or you pick those claims directly from your arse? Cause all I see you are doing here you are picking sides on baseless grounds. If you have any knowledge about the matter please share with us. Tell us the source of those revelations. Until you do so, you are just hating and spreading shit on people, based on the fact you created in your own mind. Tell me please do you hate Jessica or Cella that much? Cause all this stuff you are saying leads me to this conclusion. His conclusions aren't illogical. Obviously, you couldn't call his conclusions absolute, but given the little information we do have his conclusions do seem to be within the realm of possible truth AND backed by about as much evidence as anyone else has. I don't know that it's an "obvious conclusion" but it is just as unfair to suggest it impossible that SlayerS management is acting anything but morally/truthfully as it is to suggest the opposite. The truth is that no-one can know until everyone can know, and all we can do in the meantime is suggest hypotheticals and pose them against the little information we do have. Try not to take it personally ;P OK lets assume that MMA did something which warranted punishment, and Boxer/Jessica (the actual little pieces of evidence point to Boxer as the one who handed down the punishment) decides that the punishment in question should be making him leave the team-house and go to the B team. MMA doesn't like this and speaks up against it. Thats all fine, but then Slayers decides to make this whole punishment part public without a reason and MMA at the Code A matches is obviously upset but bearing it. It might seem like he has accepted his punishment finally but this doesn't bode well for SlayerS once his contract comes to an end. I really really feel that SlayerS might have already made up their mind that they are going to let him go if it comes down to that and are just delaying him by the duration of his contract period. One thing that really bothers me is that what could have been so terrible that they had to do this. I have a strong feeling that whatever happend was so bad it can't be brought to the public as it would hurt MMA more than it does SlayerS. And this might be the reason that though MMA obviously doesn't like this whole thing he isn't acting out too much (apart from removing the SlayerS tag from his twitter) and saying clearly in the interview that he doesn't want to discuss what is going on (ie complying with orders from the team). What could he have possibly done for such a huge mysterious drama to erupt? where are you getting that idea? the article was probably write the article after the writer heard something from someone, nothing official. if they dont want to disclose it, leave it at that. i dont see the reason to talk shit about slayers or mma. people are speculating out of their ass without anything concrete. and most are baseless speculations based on negative bias towards jessica. for every scenario someone suggests, there are other possible scenarios. we know nothing.
The original article says that this information was revealed in SlayerS' press materials. So it's pretty solid that it did come from them unless the source is outright lying, which is unlikely. Thing is that it doesn't say if the "press materials" just pertained to that one tidbit or if it contained many things including that. That does change things a bit. If Slayers just released material that stated that they're placing MMA on the B Team and removing him from the house as punishment that's .... interesting to say the least. Or it could just be that Slayers released regularly timed press materials that included an update to their A/B Teams, and had a little footnote for reasons for changes and the reporters just ran with it. I'm more inclined to think it's the former or somewhere inbetween as the news outlet that posted the original article knew that MMA was against that decision. Or maybe Slayers just has weird press materials. We'll probably never know.
Though I think the post you quoted is probably pretty accurate in that I'm really getting a feeling that even though MMA disagrees with his punishment he may just not want the details of the incident released. I say that because he's not lashing out at all, he's pretty subdued about the whole thing. SlayerS isn't revealing anything despite lots of people in the scene over there trying to figure out what exactly is going on. MMA isn't saying anything either. To me that seems like the reason SlayerS isn't disclosing anything is because they want to safe face, not just for the team but for MMA. MMA really has no reason not to lash out. SlayerS has stated that any teams who are interested in MMA should make inquiries with the team, which makes it seem as if they're willing to let him go. He's already on the B team and they've removed him from the house. So I'm surprised that he hasn't lashed out in some way unless he really doesn't want people to know what happened either. Or he's got an unnaturally long contract with slayers, but I'm inclined to think it's the former. That's my best guess, speculation though it is. My curiosity is officially piqued.
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I feel it's a bit harsh to kick him out of the gaming house. I, like everyone else, have no idea what MMA did to receive such an extremely harsh punishment. Being in Code A is NOT the reason for this, at least I would seriously hope not. Although I would so love a LiquidMMA (even though EGMMA is probably more realistic) I would hate for BoxeR's personally groomed superstar to be screwed over by SlayerS or vice versa. I have a lot of respect for BoxeR, MMA and SlayerS in generally and it's really sad to see such bad news come from this team. Hopefully they can resolve their issues.
Best of luck!
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Just throwing this out there, people keep painting the SlayerS management like they may be the bad guys. Consider this scenario, MMA did something really fucking horrible to get kicked out and demoted, and the reason SlayerS aren't giving a reason for kicking him out is to not ruin his reputation.
Or how about this, perhaps MMA himself doesn't want to announce what the actual issue is. Perhaps it was justifiable and he feels like he was acting childish in his initial reaction, and he deserved punishment, so he'd rather just keep quiet.
Obviously, this is no more likely than SlayerS being the bad guys. We know nothing, except that he wasn't punished for his skill level. Literally the only info we have is that something happened, he was demoted and booted from the team house, and he asked to go to a foreign team. That's all we know. I really hope that this wasn't something that makes the SlayerS-MMA relationship impossible to repair, and that MMA remains on SlayerS.
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We know the punishment was at least partial unjustifiable.
He is not a B-teamer.
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^ huh? how would you know that? thats such a uninformed thing to say...
i cant quite tell how this compares to coca's punishment.. is this easier or harder on the player than what coca got (a half year no play in tournaments or whatever)? I mean, if you compare it to that, im thinking something silly like that happened.... maphack, some sort of BM... I doubt its a personal thing and more like an sc2 related thing.
but im speaking out of my ass again. just, you know, looking back on what happened to coca, and what he got in trouble for, and what most players get in trouble for (coca, byun, princess/terran, naniwa probe rush...).
I dont think anything should be blamed on slayers management at the moment... they obviously wouldnt punish him for no reason, just mma probably thinks its too harsh. i doubt that was easy for slayers to do.
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On July 21 2012 13:25 dsousa wrote:
We know the punishment was at least partial unjustifiable.
He is not a B-teamer.
But right now, he is.
to ^ Coca punishment was one Coca maybe not accepted himself but he took it well and fucking dealt with it, if anything everyone should look to Coca to be a shining god, he fucked up he took the punishment in the time during the punishment he worked his fucking balls off and look at him now he's a viable SlayerS ace. I'm hoping MMA isn't expecting to be whisked away to another team and suddenly everything is sunshine and rainbows, he should look at that B-team as a a reason to practice harder and get into the A-team again and regain his position as ace
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On July 21 2012 14:20 Sub40APM wrote:
MMA isnt in the line up!
Wow not even on the bench O.o
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On July 21 2012 14:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Wow not even on the bench O.o
Bteamers don't get on the bench, besides he's acting as if he doesn't want to play for SlayerS right now, why let him play?
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On July 21 2012 14:25 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 21 2012 14:20 Sub40APM wrote:
MMA isnt in the line up! Wow not even on the bench O.o Bteamers don't get on the bench, besides he's acting as if he doesn't want to play for SlayerS right now, why let him play?
But they get to play their Code A match?
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On July 21 2012 14:26 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:25 Denzil wrote:On July 21 2012 14:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 21 2012 14:20 Sub40APM wrote:
MMA isnt in the line up! Wow not even on the bench O.o Bteamers don't get on the bench, besides he's acting as if he doesn't want to play for SlayerS right now, why let him play? But they get to play their Code A match?
They can't stop him from playing Code A. They can force him to wear the Slayers uniform.
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On July 21 2012 14:30 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:26 Sub40APM wrote:On July 21 2012 14:25 Denzil wrote:On July 21 2012 14:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 21 2012 14:20 Sub40APM wrote:
MMA isnt in the line up! Wow not even on the bench O.o Bteamers don't get on the bench, besides he's acting as if he doesn't want to play for SlayerS right now, why let him play? But they get to play their Code A match? They can't stop him from playing Code A. They can force him to wear the Slayers uniform.
Well, when they dropped CoCa to B team they forced him to forfeit his GSL spot didn't they?
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On July 21 2012 14:30 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:26 Sub40APM wrote:On July 21 2012 14:25 Denzil wrote:On July 21 2012 14:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 21 2012 14:20 Sub40APM wrote:
MMA isnt in the line up! Wow not even on the bench O.o Bteamers don't get on the bench, besides he's acting as if he doesn't want to play for SlayerS right now, why let him play? But they get to play their Code A match? They can't stop him from playing Code A. They can force him to wear the Slayers uniform.
Wait then how did they make Coca forfeit his GSL spot
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On July 21 2012 14:35 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:30 Fionn wrote:On July 21 2012 14:26 Sub40APM wrote:On July 21 2012 14:25 Denzil wrote:On July 21 2012 14:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 21 2012 14:20 Sub40APM wrote:
MMA isnt in the line up! Wow not even on the bench O.o Bteamers don't get on the bench, besides he's acting as if he doesn't want to play for SlayerS right now, why let him play? But they get to play their Code A match? They can't stop him from playing Code A. They can force him to wear the Slayers uniform. Wait then how did they make Coca forfeit his GSL spot
"CoCa, forfeit your GSL spot or we're kicking you off the team".
"Ok".
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The fact that MMA wants to join a foreign team says everything. He doesn't like how things are run in the SlayerS team, and he doesn't like how things are run in any team in Korea. Otherwise, he'd at least join a non-foreign team considering he's pretty popular, he has plenty of fans, and he can probably join most teams pretty easily.
There are plenty of other reasons to join a foreign team, but I dunno how everyone failed to see this as the most likely scenario. I think it's because most of you guys are just hoping for a scandal, but the truth is probably not that dirty or interesting.
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On July 21 2012 14:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:30 Fionn wrote:On July 21 2012 14:26 Sub40APM wrote:On July 21 2012 14:25 Denzil wrote:On July 21 2012 14:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 21 2012 14:20 Sub40APM wrote:
MMA isnt in the line up! Wow not even on the bench O.o Bteamers don't get on the bench, besides he's acting as if he doesn't want to play for SlayerS right now, why let him play? But they get to play their Code A match? They can't stop him from playing Code A. They can force him to wear the Slayers uniform. Well, when they dropped CoCa to B team they forced him to forfeit his GSL spot didn't they?
Coca's incident was public and SlayerS couldn't really do anything about trying to smother the flames, telling MMA to foreit his Code A match would no only be a smoke signal that somethings going on it'd also just be a complete dick move and the last thing a slumping player needs.
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