Note: As I said in the last post about this, this doesn't include the separate KeSPA qualifier.
There are a lot of players registered so they're all in spoilers. As far as I know they work like a normal bracket following the seeding. I'm not 100% on the names of all these teamless people, the font is really small in the picture Blank spots are byes.
All groups play on the july 2nd looks like, with groups A-F starting at 01:30 GMT (+00:00) and G-L 06:00 GMT (+00:00)
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: Mvp, NesTea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 13:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: I don't even recognize all the people. These qualifiers are huge. >_>
i dont think they have a chance of coming close to filled kinda weird how they did this
i think its better to have bigger brackets than smaller ones when doing a new tournament, after-all they just give free wins if its not full so it wouldn't matter any way, this way they get the most attention to it.
On June 27 2012 13:25 NHY wrote: Note that MVP, Nestea, MC and DongRaeGu are missing. They most likely got a seed.
doubt OSL would give seeds tbh
wish stephano signed up. also weird how first and last of every group is someone notable
12 groups here, 4 kespa seeds from tving osl, conspicuously missing 4 big names of starcraft 2 (with MC even saying how much he wants to go into the starcraft 2 osl). Wonder if there is going to be 12 groups for kespa progamer qualifiers.
On June 27 2012 13:49 TheMilkyOne wrote: That's Crazy maaaaaan!!!!!I need to see them fighting for this cup!!!!!!!! where can i see Kespa Players Group
posted at a later date since Ro8 of OSL isn't finished yet
These groups are freaking stacked. Insane that only 12 will come out of the groups.
Speaking of which I wonder if the Big 4 were seeded, how they were decided upon. MC and Nestea being seeded is strange, considering they haven't really posted high results recently. MKP has by far been a lot more consistent (although not in GSL) this season.
On June 27 2012 13:59 pdd wrote: These groups are freaking stacked. Insane that only 12 will come out of the groups.
Speaking of which I wonder if the Big 4 were seeded, how they were decided upon. MC and Nestea being seeded is strange, considering they haven't really posted high results recently. MKP has by far been a lot more consistent (although not in GSL) this season.
On June 27 2012 13:59 pdd wrote: These groups are freaking stacked. Insane that only 12 will come out of the groups.
Speaking of which I wonder if the Big 4 were seeded, how they were decided upon. MC and Nestea being seeded is strange, considering they haven't really posted high results recently. MKP has by far been a lot more consistent (although not in GSL) this season.
On June 27 2012 13:59 pdd wrote: These groups are freaking stacked. Insane that only 12 will come out of the groups.
Speaking of which I wonder if the Big 4 were seeded, how they were decided upon. MC and Nestea being seeded is strange, considering they haven't really posted high results recently. MKP has by far been a lot more consistent (although not in GSL) this season.
Erm... GSL winners
Well, MMA and Jjakji are GSL winners as well (MMA twice in fact if you count Blizz Cup). And they've also won the GSL more recently. There was another guy who won the Super Tournament, but I forgot his name.
On June 27 2012 13:59 pdd wrote: These groups are freaking stacked. Insane that only 12 will come out of the groups.
Speaking of which I wonder if the Big 4 were seeded, how they were decided upon. MC and Nestea being seeded is strange, considering they haven't really posted high results recently. MKP has by far been a lot more consistent (although not in GSL) this season.
Erm... GSL winners
where are mma, jjakji, polt?
Racial representation, also # of wins and relevance. And you can only pick 4
On June 27 2012 13:59 pdd wrote: These groups are freaking stacked. Insane that only 12 will come out of the groups.
Speaking of which I wonder if the Big 4 were seeded, how they were decided upon. MC and Nestea being seeded is strange, considering they haven't really posted high results recently. MKP has by far been a lot more consistent (although not in GSL) this season.
Erm... GSL winners
where are mma, jjakji, polt?
Racial representation, also # of wins and relevance. And you can only pick 4
Well, imo, they should have only given the 2 seeds to Mvp and DRG (for GSL wins this season) and then expand the brackets to make 14 qualifiers. Oh well, OGN's own choice I guess.
On June 27 2012 13:59 pdd wrote: These groups are freaking stacked. Insane that only 12 will come out of the groups.
Speaking of which I wonder if the Big 4 were seeded, how they were decided upon. MC and Nestea being seeded is strange, considering they haven't really posted high results recently. MKP has by far been a lot more consistent (although not in GSL) this season.
Erm... GSL winners
where are mma, jjakji, polt?
Racial representation, also # of wins and relevance. And you can only pick 4
Well, imo, they should have only given the 2 seeds to Mvp and DRG (for GSL wins this season) and then expand the brackets to make 14 qualifiers. Oh well, OGN's own choice I guess.
Having race leaders being seeds is a choice for popularity, the choice is not made based on results entirely, but popularity, nestea / mvp are popular partially because they got that many GSL wins, and MC is popular for being the only GSL protoss winner too, and DRG is the most relevant GSL winner recently (since MVP is taken). The goal wasn't to seed the best players right now but to ensure public interest, I don't think they could have picked better. GSL winner was just a basic criteria for marketting.
I can see seeding Mvp and Nestea because they are former Brood War progamers and 3+ time gsl winners, but anyone else doesn't make much sense if they left out marineking and MMA.
On June 27 2012 14:09 Dodgin wrote: I can see seeding Mvp and Nestea because they are former Brood War progamers and 3+ time gsl winners, but anyone else doesn't make much sense if they left out marineking and MMA.
Seeding like 4 terrans would be too boring to market, see above post.
MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:09 Dodgin wrote: I can see seeding Mvp and Nestea because they are former Brood War progamers and 3+ time gsl winners, but anyone else doesn't make much sense if they left out marineking and MMA.
Seeding like 4 terrans would be too boring to market, see above post.
If the seeds are for marketing purposes then I can see Flash, Jaedong, and pick 2 from Fantasy, Stork, and Jangbi getting the KesPA seeds instead of the 4 from the current OSL. Not Bisu since he never won an OSL.
On June 27 2012 13:54 TheMilkyOne wrote: so...in group 32 players and only 1 can make it????
yeap
That's CraZy!!! MKP can't do it!
maybe, maybe not.
I'll let you in on a little secret though, I'm willing to bet you that he would go all out in practicing for the qualifiers.
We ll see.. i am huge fan of MKP....but that's too crazy too hard to get out...and be the best of the best in this 32playersgroup!!!
ok i'll lay it down to you nice and simple.
This is THE Starleague, the one and only everyone in korea who has ever loved starcraft, has dreamed of being a progamer and more importantly Dreamed of winning THE Starleague.
now you believe that MKP is the second best player in the world?(:p)
When someone as good as him gives his best for the thing which he wanted the most his entire life, do you think he won't make it out of his group?
On June 27 2012 14:09 Dodgin wrote: I can see seeding Mvp and Nestea because they are former Brood War progamers and 3+ time gsl winners, but anyone else doesn't make much sense if they left out marineking and MMA.
I agree....but rules for OSL are too cruel!!! I think that MC or Nestea cannot make it thruw the qualifeirs!
On June 27 2012 14:09 Dodgin wrote: I can see seeding Mvp and Nestea because they are former Brood War progamers and 3+ time gsl winners, but anyone else doesn't make much sense if they left out marineking and MMA.
Seeding like 4 terrans would be too boring to market, see above post.
If the seeds are for marketing purposes then I can see Flash, Jaedong, and pick 2 from Fantasy, Stork, and Jangbi getting the KesPA seeds instead of the 4 from the current OSL. Not Bisu since he never won an OSL.
On the other hand they are also trying to make BW fans care about SC2 in seeing the Ro4 of this OSL carry over, they are hoping the fans also carry over and that to ensure they feel that this last BW OSL "matters" and that the next OSL also matters. (Ro4 carrying over is an OSL tradition) Remember they are trying to market to 2 demographics, and to remind the BW fans that this next league was indeed an OSL, and not some imitation of it.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 13:54 TheMilkyOne wrote: so...in group 32 players and only 1 can make it????
yeap
That's CraZy!!! MKP can't do it!
maybe, maybe not.
I'll let you in on a little secret though, I'm willing to bet you that he would go all out in practicing for the qualifiers.
We ll see.. i am huge fan of MKP....but that's too crazy too hard to get out...and be the best of the best in this 32playersgroup!!!
ok i'll lay it down to you nice and simple.
This is THE Starleague, the one and only everyone in korea who has ever loved starcraft, has dreamed of being a progamer and more importantly Dreamed of winning THE Starleague.
now you believe that MKP is the second best player in the world?(:p)
When someone as good as him gives his best for the thing which he wanted the most his entire life, do you think he won't make it out of his group?
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:32 TheMilkyOne wrote: How will be qualifeirgames? they will play Online? or they must to be at the one place? and how long? will it be streaming???
On June 27 2012 13:25 NHY wrote: Note that MVP, Nestea, MC and DongRaeGu are missing. They most likely got a seed.
doubt OSL would give seeds tbh
wish stephano signed up. also weird how first and last of every group is someone notable
12 groups here, 4 kespa seeds from tving osl, conspicuously missing 4 big names of starcraft 2 (with MC even saying how much he wants to go into the starcraft 2 osl). Wonder if there is going to be 12 groups for kespa progamer qualifiers.
I wonder what 12 + 12 + 4 + 4 adds up to.
Two seeds this season actually. Only the finalists.
If there are four non-KeSPA seeds and 12 qualify, I'm guessing they will do the split Dual Tournament for KeSPA and non-KeSPA, where 8 will qualify from that. I'm guessing the KeSPA OSL qualifier will lead on a Dual Tournament similar to the one back at the start of 2007 where the OSL was switching from 24 to 16 players again (to help widdle down the numbers fairly, considering 14 will be coming down from the OSL and there are 6 spots available for the KeSPA players (presumable, post-OSL)).
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
On June 27 2012 14:32 TheMilkyOne wrote: How will be qualifeirgames? they will play Online? or they must to be at the one place? and how long? will it be streaming???
On June 27 2012 14:32 TheMilkyOne wrote: How will be qualifeirgames? they will play Online? or they must to be at the one place? and how long? will it be streaming???
thank you...if im right,it ll be at the same place,where usually are GSL-qualifeirs?
yeah, its at Sindorim techno mart. the exact same place that the GSL qualifers are located. The setup there is pretty good, so I think thats why, plus they have a past of running events there, so they won't have problems with the computers.
On June 27 2012 13:25 NHY wrote: Note that MVP, Nestea, MC and DongRaeGu are missing. They most likely got a seed.
doubt OSL would give seeds tbh
wish stephano signed up. also weird how first and last of every group is someone notable
12 groups here, 4 kespa seeds from tving osl, conspicuously missing 4 big names of starcraft 2 (with MC even saying how much he wants to go into the starcraft 2 osl). Wonder if there is going to be 12 groups for kespa progamer qualifiers.
I wonder what 12 + 12 + 4 + 4 adds up to.
Two seeds this season actually. Only the finalists.
If there are four non-KeSPA seeds and 12 qualify, I'm guessing they will do the split Dual Tournament for KeSPA and non-KeSPA, where 8 will qualify from that. I'm guessing the KeSPA OSL qualifier will lead on a Dual Tournament similar to the one back at the start of 2007 where the OSL was switching from 24 to 16 players again (to ensure more players can qualify for the Dual Tournament, considering 14 will be coming down from the OSL).
I hope it only assumptions? or you are sure in it?
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
Makes sense I suppose, just sucks for Marineking when he deserves a seed more than Nestea and MC do. ( imo )
Sorry, beating easy foreigners like Stephano is not equal to GSL champion
And when was the last time Nestea and MC were GSL champions?
All I'm saying is that current performance wise he deserves it more.
Maybe you can make that argument for Nestea, but would you really say MC has had worse results than MKP? Arguably MC is the most successful SC2 progamer to date.
Besides, what is your expectations of "performance"?
Recent victories? Alicia beat MKP in the last MLG. Squirtle doing super well lately. Consistency? Nestea hasn't missed a Code S. Victories? Violet has more. Victories at a high level of competition? MMA might be a better shot.
I'm not one of those MKP anti-fans, but without qualm I can make as much of an argument for 5 other players in SC2 based on "recent performances".
I believe MKP should be able to qualify regardless given his group.
wow, these groups are crazy stacked. Hard to believe only one will emerge from each but again, OSL is supposed to be a prestigious tournament so it's living up to its name
come on Artosis! go and get us some footage just like the good ole days with SCForAll and the early GSL's! :D
EDIT: also really really really looking forward to seeing Moon play/how he does. he's been on fire lately, and the only holes that I've really seen in his play is his late game transitioning. if he's gotten that on track, then i definitely expect him to make it out of this group.
On June 27 2012 14:48 Elem wrote: Sick! Moon's group seems doable, hoping he can pull the big run!
I dunno. Curious, Taeja, Puma, Crank, Sniper and Inca are no slouches.
All the brackets are so stacked its just so difficult to call.
I think that group comes down to Curious and Taeja, but I expect there to be quite a few upsets in the groups. That and I'd love to see Moon resurge, he's definitely doing better now.
Ah, just looking through the groups I think it's hard to pick out a "group of death", but I think Group H looks like the least impressive group by far. Gumiho is the biggest name in there, and he's not been playing that well lately.
On June 27 2012 15:05 raga4ka wrote: I saw July in there go go for the platinum mouse !
So many tears of joy would be wept. It's coming up on that time of the year. He doesn't have the absolute hardest group either, in fact, Leenock is the only player who should be easily favored against him in that group, and that's pretty damn exciting.
On June 27 2012 14:32 TheMilkyOne wrote: How will be qualifeirgames? they will play Online? or they must to be at the one place? and how long? will it be streaming???
thank you...if im right,it ll be at the same place,where usually are GSL-qualifeirs?
yeah, its at Sindorim techno mart. the exact same place that the GSL qualifers are located. The setup there is pretty good, so I think thats why, plus they have a past of running events there, so they won't have problems with the computers.
Don't think there will be a live broadcast. AFAIK the Technomart doesn't have any broadcasting facilities (unlike the one at Yongsan).
Also the second round of groups directly conflicts with the broadcast of Proleague.
Best bet is that someone ghetto streams from the venue.
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: MVP, Nestea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
Makes sense I suppose, just sucks for Marineking when he deserves a seed more than Nestea and MC do. ( imo )
Sorry, beating easy foreigners like Stephano is not equal to GSL champion
And when was the last time Nestea and MC were GSL champions?
All I'm saying is that current performance wise he deserves it more.
Maybe you can make that argument for Nestea, but would you really say MC has had worse results than MKP? Arguably MC is the most successful SC2 progamer to date.
Besides, what is your expectations of "performance"?
Recent victories? Alicia beat MKP in the last MLG. Squirtle doing super well lately. Consistency? Nestea hasn't missed a Code S. Victories? Violet has more. Victories at a high level of competition? MMA might be a better shot.
I'm not one of those MKP anti-fans, but without qualm I can make as much of an argument for 5 other players in SC2 based on "recent performances".
I believe MKP should be able to qualify regardless given his group.
They picked three players one for each race with each player being the most successful with their race + drg. Good way to do it since a lot of players have been doing well lately so it's hard to just chose 1 for each race.
On June 27 2012 13:51 TheMilkyOne wrote: Flash.ZerO,JangBi and FantaSy/soO are already in!
If its like previous OSLs Top 4 are seeded in Ro16 and Top 16 in Round of 32 , but since half of the qualifiers is non Kespa players , Top 16 from this season will probably not get a seed . And there will be 12 groups with 12 people able to qualify . Also probably to make it equal with non Kespa players , Flash , Zero , Jangbi and winner of Fantasy/Soo will be seeded in Round of 32 and not Round of 16 , but don't it's OGN's call .
On June 27 2012 15:38 McFeser wrote: Is Nani the strongest player in his group? I don't see anyone being favored against him (Well except every zerg in there).
Against Naniwa specifically? Well most of the strongest in the group are terran, so perhaps not. But still, you can never write out Heart, MMA and Ganzi against Naniwa.
More specifically: the group also has Seed and Manzenith. MMA and Ganzi are probably the two "big fish", but honestly Seed and Manzenith have been playing really well lately. I think Naniwa's biggest challenge will be, aside from zergs, those two protoss players.
Naniwa has a pretty big chance to pass through the group though. He might indeed be the favourite.
On June 27 2012 13:18 Antoine wrote: Note: As I said in the last post about this, this doesn't include the separate KeSPA qualifier.
There are a lot of players registered so they're all in spoilers. As far as I know they work like a normal bracket following the seeding. I'm not 100% on the names of all these teamless people, the font is really small in the picture Blank spots are byes.
All groups play on the july 2nd looks like, with groups A-F starting at 01:30 GMT (+00:00) and G-L 06:00 GMT (+00:00)
On June 27 2012 14:12 Clefairy wrote: Mvp, NesTea, MC, and DRG did get the seeds. They picked the best 3 for each race based on GSL and foreign tournaments which were MVP, Nestea and MC, and 1 more based on the person who has been getting the best results recently which was DRG.
Well I'll make an attempt at some predictions, even though it's a nigh impossible task with this many people.
Group A: Seed. It was between Seed, Naniwa, and MMA for me. The good news for Naniwa is there are only five zergs in this group. Also MMA has been slumping and d Terrans in general are really having a tough time. Naniwa has a great chance to take it but for now, I'll bet on the more well rounded Korean protoss.
Group B: Squirtle. This group is scary but there's not much to say. I think Squirtle seems less streaky than Symbol so I picked Squirtle.
Group C: MKP. Doubt all you want haters, but the bigger the group the better MKP's chances and even though there's some scary names like Alicia, Bomber, and Polt in here, this is the time of the King and he will conquer this group of death.
Group D: Genius... Though to be honest this isn't an aweful group for TLO. In fact, in terms of favorites here it's gotta go Genius, then Happy, then TLO. That's pretty awesome. Also, Cyrano being in this group is kind of hilarious. The poor bastard is memorable for me because every time I see him he plays against a foreigner and loses. I fully expect this trend to continue.
Group E: July. Fuck it. If it was any other month I'd say Leenock. In fact the smart money is on Leenock. But betting against the God of War in his hour? No sir, I won't do that.
Group F: Violet I think... Hero and Ryung have good chances of course, and NOBODY in this group has constency going for them, but... No actually it'll be Hero. Violet has been having difficulty with very skilled protoss and there's several of them in this group. Hero has been playing quite well lately, plus the liquid advantage. Hero takes this group.
Group G: Losira. This is the summer of the swarm and I just can't pick a Terran, even a GSL champ, to take out this group. Losira has been playing very well lately and I can't say the same for Jjakji by comparison.
Group H: No idea. Line has been slumping. Gumiho is terran and there are some rough zergs here, Zenio hasn't been looking like anything special. Sage could take it I suppose but really it's anyone's group.
Group I: That is a rough group for the Gorilla Terran. I'd say Alive has the best shot at winning it but there is A LOT of talent here. Kinda funny that an EG/Liquid match will happen in the OSL qualifiers. I think Jinro could beat JYP there, JYP's v T hasn't been that impressive lately. Coca and B4 have good chances here as well and of course supernova. This is a rough group.
Group J: Keen is the only pick that actually makes sense here I think.
Group K: Byul. This is the Summer of the Swarm and his performance in the GSTL makes me think he can take this group. Parting and Puzzle will give him a run for his money, but Byul is on the rise.
Group L: EG vs Liquid round two! I wouldn't be surprised if Puma underperforms here slightly as he probably isn't practicing a lot of TvT as he is the last terran left in NASL which he'll be practicing for. Taeja on the other hand has great TvT. I wasn't certain about his teammate Hero, but I am pretty confident that Taeja will take this group by storm.
On June 27 2012 13:51 TheMilkyOne wrote: Flash.ZerO,JangBi and FantaSy/soO are already in!
If its like previous OSLs Top 4 are seeded in Ro16 and Top 16 in Round of 32 , but since half of the qualifiers is non Kespa players , Top 16 from this season will probably not get a seed . And there will be 12 groups with 12 people able to qualify . Also probably to make it equal with non Kespa players , Flash , Zero , Jangbi and winner of Fantasy/Soo will be seeded in Round of 32 and not Round of 16 , but don't it's OGN's call .
Top 4 aren't seeded for next season. It's the top 2.
So the two finalists are directly seeded into the OSL itself.
MC/Nestea/MVP/DRG are only seeded into the Dual Tournament. This is a qualifier for the Dual Tournament, yet OGN are advertising it as an OSL qualifier.
On June 27 2012 15:34 Fusilero wrote: 2 years ago people would gag at the sight of MVP, zergbong and irOn in the OSL. Now it's being celebrated oh how the times change.
Times always change. When was the last time you saw Boxer and Yellow in an OSL? What would you say if you saw a group featuring Savior, Anytime, Mind and Flash? Speaking of which, there was a time Savior being in the OSL was celebrated, now people would gag at the sight of it.
How long ago did you realise Jangbi vs. Fantasy would make an epic finals?
This is going to be such easy money for the GSL people >.< and even foreigners if they can get out of the groups ofc, which looks hard as its like a massive code b pre lim which are hard enough. Good luck to all! And if you make it through, well grats on a payday
On June 27 2012 16:53 Garnet wrote: NEXJangBi? soon to be FangBi I guess.
I remember when MKP used BoxeR as his ID and the community just called him Foxer....what's next, Fisu, Fork, Faedong......ummm....Phlash? (as in phony Flash lol).
Man the qualifiers for this are way harder than GSL stuff. GOM really needs to step it up if they hope to compete. And to think they're trying to charge money for a worse entertainment and OSL is not only providing this to us for free, but we're able to watch the Korean stream at no extra cost!
Why would they mix sc2 players and bw? Don't get me wrong, I'm excited as hell, but this is gonna be free money for the sc2 guys. This is not a complain, just an observation:-)
On June 27 2012 17:14 Dakure wrote: Man the qualifiers for this are way harder than GSL stuff. GOM really needs to step it up if they hope to compete. And to think they're trying to charge money for a worse entertainment and OSL is not only providing this to us for free, but we're able to watch the Korean stream at no extra cost!
The qualifiers for the OSL are harder than GSL because all the good Korean players are already in the GSL...
I do hope OGN has an official English stream planned or this league will not be as popular with foreigners as they want it to be.
On June 27 2012 17:14 Dakure wrote: Man the qualifiers for this are way harder than GSL stuff. GOM really needs to step it up if they hope to compete. And to think they're trying to charge money for a worse entertainment and OSL is not only providing this to us for free, but we're able to watch the Korean stream at no extra cost!
Completely agreed. Most of these players are unknown, and they'll all be preparing to take down the big names, so all of the streamed games will probably be fantastic, unlike with GOM where half the matches are completely one-sided and not worth watching. It'll be like a foreign tournament but with only koreans and the best foreigners, so there will be a truly competitive atmosphere. And free as well? Can't wait!
On June 27 2012 17:14 Dakure wrote: Man the qualifiers for this are way harder than GSL stuff. GOM really needs to step it up if they hope to compete. And to think they're trying to charge money for a worse entertainment and OSL is not only providing this to us for free, but we're able to watch the Korean stream at no extra cost!
Completely agreed. Most of these players are unknown, and they'll all be preparing to take down the big names, so all of the streamed games will probably be fantastic, unlike with GOM where half the matches are completely one-sided and not worth watching. It'll be like a foreign tournament but with only koreans and the best foreigners, so there will be a truly competitive atmosphere. And free as well? Can't wait!
Sorry, but i don't get your train of thought. They are unknown but they are going to prepare to beat players better then them so it wont be onesided? What GSL have you been watching as of late, where people don't prepare to beat other players?
On June 27 2012 17:14 Dakure wrote: Man the qualifiers for this are way harder than GSL stuff. GOM really needs to step it up if they hope to compete. And to think they're trying to charge money for a worse entertainment and OSL is not only providing this to us for free, but we're able to watch the Korean stream at no extra cost!
Yeah, but the flipside of that is that the Ro16 is going to be laughably easier than GSL Code S ro16.
On June 27 2012 17:14 Dakure wrote: Man the qualifiers for this are way harder than GSL stuff. GOM really needs to step it up if they hope to compete. And to think they're trying to charge money for a worse entertainment and OSL is not only providing this to us for free, but we're able to watch the Korean stream at no extra cost!
Yeah, but the flipside of that is that the Ro16 is going to be laughably easier than GSL Code S ro16.
I don't think people realize you're probably not going to see much streamed if anything for the OSL qualifiers.
On June 27 2012 17:14 Dakure wrote: Man the qualifiers for this are way harder than GSL stuff. GOM really needs to step it up if they hope to compete. And to think they're trying to charge money for a worse entertainment and OSL is not only providing this to us for free, but we're able to watch the Korean stream at no extra cost!
Completely agreed. Most of these players are unknown, and they'll all be preparing to take down the big names, so all of the streamed games will probably be fantastic, unlike with GOM where half the matches are completely one-sided and not worth watching. It'll be like a foreign tournament but with only koreans and the best foreigners, so there will be a truly competitive atmosphere. And free as well? Can't wait!
Might want to explain that a bit more cause it simply makes no sense.
On June 27 2012 18:11 Hiea wrote: I don't understand the reasoning behind giving seeds
some pros have more fans than others, so giving seeds = more viewers
also it promotes seniority and consistency. Why bother to attend OSL if it means working your ass off when you can go GSL where they seed you into the bracket
I wonder if they really went by "best" as in "most established" which would be Nestea MC MVP obviously, at least for the GSL (which is considered the highest level).
Or if part of the reason they picked those 3 was because those are the 3 you think of when you think protoss zerg and terran . And of course DRG seems to be better than Nestea currently but they used the reason that they wanted to pick 1 player who was doing well recently? xD
WTF HONGUN? Is that old or is he not retired from SC2? That tweet of his had bad english anyway.
i think they chose the absolute right seeds, with the qualifiers there is enough chance to bring in new talents, but it is also good to have the best players from the old sc2 in the tournament (as ironic as this may sound, they are the sc2 elephants xD)
this way for the first season, we will have a grand opening, and hopefully a surge of new fans for both GSL and OSL and sc2 in general!
On June 27 2012 19:53 Fermats_last wrote: Why is MC still getting seeds based on over a year ago GSL wins and virtually nothing this year in foreign tournament wins?
He's already won three big foreign tournaments this year (Homestory, IEM WC, Red Bull) and four smaller ones.
my picks: A: I think Seed, NaNiwa, MMA and Life are probably the bigger names in this bracket. Would not be surprised to see any of the four make it, but I think Seed will do well here.
B: Squirtle, Creator, YongHwa, and Symbol are probably the favourites, of which Squirtle is probably most likely to advance.
C: MarineKing, Polt, and Bomber are the big names here. MarineKing is probably the favourite?
D: This is not that strong a group, and the standouts are probably Happy and Genius. Genius probably will take this one out.
E: Leenock, HyuN or July are the biggest names here. I think HyuN's actually favoured here despite the God of War and God of War jr, as he can take out both in ZvZ (he's pretty good at that lately). TheStC can do a good run too, but it depends on how he practices his vsZ haha.
F: HerO, Tear, Tassadar, viOLet, ByuN, TAiLS and Ryung are the bigger names here - group of death? I would hazard a guess at ByuN taking it out, since he beat HerO pretty recently and has a strong vsP and vsT. We'll see exactly how strong next week though with his Code S group.
G: Pretty interesting group, with jjakji, LosirA, YuGiOh, Monster, and Maru the more notable players. I think LosirA takes this out with TvZ trends of late, and his pretty solid ZvZ stats. Would not put it past Monster or Maru to surprise though haha.
H: So we have GuMiho, Sage, Zenio, GanZi. This isn't that strong a group I feel, difficult to say. I would guess GuMiho if he can get his act up a bit and reach Code S RO4 skill levels again. Otherwise hard to tell.
I: SuperNoVa, CoCa, JYP, BBoongBBoong and aLive hrmmm. Probably SuperNoVa or aLive, whoever is feeling better on the day. They're both pretty good, maybe SuperNoVa is a bit better.
J: We have Oz, ThorZaIN, AcE, ForGG, Annyung and Keen. I think AcE is actually favoured here, he's playing better than the old AcE lately.
K: PartinG, ByuL, sC, Lucky, and Puzzle are here. I think Puzzle is likely to take this?
L: Pretty good group, with Curious, Moon, PuMa and TaeJa. If TaeJa plays well to his potential, this is probably his group. Curious or Moon definitely could do well too.
I will probably be able to maintain a LR discussion thread for these qualifiers :D Is it worth it though? ie will we get live updates/ghetto stream/coverage from people there? haha =]
On June 27 2012 19:59 J1.au wrote: I still can't believe how foolish OGN is. They are taking a massive gamble for no reason.
companies don't take this kind of risks unless last resort. you don't think they're giving up broodwar for shits and giggles right?
obviously they are going to bankrupt at the rate if they show broodwar only, so this is their last ditch effort
Their mistake is not in the transition away from BW, that's an inevitability. Rather that they are throwing the established BW players under the bus by forcing them to compete with the SC2 pros. They aren't ready for that, and instead of working with them in the transition OGN/KeSPA has been forcing them to play two games at once.
A finals without either a BW player or any these guys: MVP, NesTea, MC, DRG, would be a total disaster for OGN. So why take the risk and allow all these unknown SC2 players to participate? Should've at least just invited the famous SC2 pros only.
I'd guess he'll try to qualify and if he does he keeps playing but in all likelyhood he won't but he then at least attended in one of the 'new school' OSL Qualifiers.
Daaaamn these groups are looking crazy! :D I'm so excited for this, quite a lot of well known players in each group it is going to be tough for everyone. I'd love to see TLO/Thorzain/Naniwa/Slog/Jinro do well not to mention there are so many other players that i'm going to be rooting for this qualifier is going to be insane! :D
I think MKP has a good group. No good zergs, some good Terrans but nothing he can't handle, and Protoss (irrelevant for him :D). Bomber and Polt will probably be his biggest challenges. Maybe asd too.
On June 27 2012 21:50 master341 wrote: I really hope they would set up an English stream or a 720p stream... And thanks to Canada Day, I will be able to watch them :D
Oh fuck yeah eh?!
Totally forgot about that! Gonna be a good way to shake off the Canada day party hangover I think
At least the first two SC2 OSLs will be a walkover for the current SC2-Pros but after that i hope the current KeSPA Pros can make a stand agaisnst them
On June 27 2012 23:46 DiMano wrote: GanZi in Group A and in Group H one of them should be DongJu he played in the last GSL prelims http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano - Liquipedia Bracket
Yea I noticed that as well. I am assuming the #32 Group H person is GanZi, while the #30 Group A person is DongJu
On June 28 2012 00:02 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Can anyone translate the other names? or no?
A few posts after the first or on page 2 or 3 someone did translate some more
Thank you, sorry, most posts in these types of threads are usually "SO EXCITED !!!" etc, without much discussion, I appreciate that though, I'll go look now.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? Cella is playing again ? HOLY CHECK! HAMBURGERS ! :D Also, TLO :D:D This is already sick, so much players, so much awesome players. Can't wait !
On June 28 2012 00:50 Nyarly wrote: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? Cella is playing again ? HOLY CHECK! HAMBURGERS ! :D Also, TLO :D:D This is already sick, so much players, so much awesome players. Can't wait !
Cella plays in almost every qualifier, nothing new
Group A: MMA Group B: Symbol Group C: MKP Group D: Genius Group E: Leenock Group F: HerO Group G: Maru Group H: GuMiho Group I: SuperNoVa Group J: Keen Group K: Puzzle Group L: TaeJa
Needless to say, I'll watch the shit out of any league that features these players.
It's a bit sad, but every favorite in one of those groups would probably be favored in an all-kill format against the entire Kespa roster by himself. Winning 100 games in a row might be daunting, but I'm sure Symbol could do it. (sorry Flash and Jaedong)
On June 28 2012 01:25 howLiN wrote: My predictions for these qualifiers:
Group A: MMA Group B: Symbol Group C: MKP Group D: Genius Group E: Leenock Group F: HerO Group G: Maru Group H: GuMiho Group I: SuperNoVa Group J: Keen Group K: Puzzle Group L: TaeJa
Needless to say, I'll watch the shit out of any league that features these players.
Yeah, no foreigner is going to make it out of a 32 man bracket stacked with code S and code A players if they can't make it out of a bracket of code B players. The only one with even a remote chance is Naniwa.
I have to say though, they did a great job seeding this. The groups aren't perfectly balanced against each other, but I don't think any two big names play until the semifinals.
Hyun and Anyppi (IMFirst) probably going to make the finals of their groups, imo. They've been doing well in setting like these in sc2--team liquid qualifiers and code A qualifiers.
This reminds me a lot of the Korean qualifiers of WCG last year and A LOT of the big names back then didn't make it through. So I am expecting a lot of upsets. Will be fun to see which favorites are able to make it out. As for the seeds , I understand people would like to see 'recent' performances rewarded, but there are so many tournaments with different players pools that it is really hard to judge. So I think OGN just went with GSL results. MVP, Nestea, MC, DRG all made Ro16 in this current GSL so I have no problems that they were seeded.
I'm not even going to try and predict this tournament. It's like trying to predict the Code A qualifiers. There are so many no names that a few of them are bound to make it in. I can't wait for the start of the OSL though =)
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that there are 12 qualified players from these, plus the 4 seeds, added onto 16 players from the current BW pool to make up this first sc2 OSL?
On June 28 2012 01:25 howLiN wrote: My predictions for these qualifiers:
Group A: MMA Group B: Symbol Group C: MKP Group D: Genius Group E: Leenock Group F: HerO Group G: Maru Group H: GuMiho Group I: SuperNoVa Group J: Keen Group K: Puzzle Group L: TaeJa
Needless to say, I'll watch the shit out of any league that features these players.
So you think there will be no upsets at all? thats kinda stupid.
On June 28 2012 01:25 howLiN wrote: My predictions for these qualifiers:
Group A: MMA Group B: Symbol Group C: MKP Group D: Genius Group E: Leenock Group F: HerO Group G: Maru Group H: GuMiho Group I: SuperNoVa Group J: Keen Group K: Puzzle Group L: TaeJa
Needless to say, I'll watch the shit out of any league that features these players.
On June 28 2012 01:25 howLiN wrote: My predictions for these qualifiers:
Group A: MMA Group B: Symbol Group C: MKP Group D: Genius Group E: Leenock Group F: HerO Group G: Maru Group H: GuMiho Group I: SuperNoVa Group J: Keen Group K: Puzzle Group L: TaeJa
Needless to say, I'll watch the shit out of any league that features these players.
So you think there will be no upsets at all? thats kinda stupid.
sure there are going to be upsets, he just probably reckons these are the most favoured people!
On June 28 2012 01:25 howLiN wrote: My predictions for these qualifiers:
Group A: MMA Group B: Symbol Group C: MKP Group D: Genius Group E: Leenock Group F: HerO Group G: Maru Group H: GuMiho Group I: SuperNoVa Group J: Keen Group K: Puzzle Group L: TaeJa
Needless to say, I'll watch the shit out of any league that features these players.
So you think there will be no upsets at all? thats kinda stupid.
It's a little weird to predict an upset no? That's why it's an upset.
sad that boxer won't compete in this... also I don't think OGN should be handing out seeds for GSL results or foreign tournaments... makes no sense, everyone should go in with even footing for the first OSL.
On June 28 2012 07:18 amazingoopah wrote: sad that boxer won't compete in this... also I don't think OGN should be handing out seeds for GSL results or foreign tournaments... makes no sense, everyone should go in with even footing for the first OSL.
I'm guessing it's like wildcards for tennis, that are mostly to get more people to watch the tournament. I'd be surprised if they keep having seeds for next seasons.
Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
I almost feel as though eligibility for being a Royal Roader should be reset, since SC2 is essentially a new game. I'm quite curious how these groups are going to play out, as they seem very concentrated.
Is there any English commentators? Is there going to be a English website? They have gotten all the big names from GSL to play in this tournament...Going to be cool. Are there going to be fees involved or is it going to be free? Is there going to be a FAQ?
It's too bad Huk isn't playing. Maybe he wants to focus on winning NASL? Naniwa definitely has a good chance at making it. I could also see TLO and Thorzain upsetting (sorry Jinro).
Has OGN given a solid answer on whether the main OSL is going to have an English stream?
God damn this is exciting. DRG, MC, MVP, Nestea, and MKP (hopefully) playing against the likes of Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Stork in the OSL? I never thought I'd see the day.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
it's a similar prize pool to gsl, winner gets 40k and so on i think
Thanks GSL is 50,000K
Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days.
OSL prize pool is 93k GSL prize pool is 148k
OSL is the most prestigious tournament in BW, and it had a prize structure similar to this for 10 years, which is simply absurd. This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
On June 28 2012 11:54 opterown wrote: osl's not really longer in terms of more games, they're just more spaced out. think of it as a more relaxing tourney, or one with a bit more downtime
More like prepping your ass off so you don't get humiliated.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere.
i think those are total individual views though with vods, not concurrent live viewers (a better figure to go off). hard to believe 50000000 people tune in to gsl live haha
On June 28 2012 11:54 opterown wrote: osl's not really longer in terms of more games, they're just more spaced out. think of it as a more relaxing tourney, or one with a bit more downtime
More like prepping your ass off so you don't get humiliated.
I'm not really sure what to think about OSL right now. Compared to GSL, OSL is a much longer tournament with a smaller payoff.
I just hope it's not going to tax our favorite players too much. Between GSL, GSTL, MLG, IPL and random BlizzCon type tournaments, players like DRG and MKP already have tons of work on their schedule.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
On June 28 2012 07:20 neoghaleon55 wrote: poor marineking DRG stole his seed. DRG is such a bastard lol
drg deserves it, although i think mkp > mc or nestea in recent achievements, but i guess gsl wins are gsl wins i'd rather noone got seeded though tbh
MVP, MKP, MC, and DRG have all won big tournaments lately, it's NesTea who hasn't won anything in a long time, it's been almost a year.
To be fair, Nestea has only really recently started to attend more foreigner events. And a GSL win is a GSL win. Although he hasn't won, he is still doing well GSL Ro16, IPL 5 2nd, Iron Squid 3rd, etc. It is not like they seeded in FruitDealer. I would think MKP, MMA were probably next in line for seeds if it went beyond 4.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere.
More people watch the GSL than American Idol? I think your numbers are wrong.
You can think all you want, I provided a source. The reported numbers are there.
That's total views. Complexity is doing a bad job of reporting. (Their most viewed VOD only has 847,000 views) Edit: That source is also a year old and Complexity never cited precisely where their information came from (only linking tangentially to main GOM website. I couldn't find an official release from GOM). It also makes very, very little sense from a practical standpoint. The daily show averages one million viewers every night and millions of dollars are pumped into that show (Jon Stewart's wage can be presumed to be several million by itself). IF the US contributes the most viewers than it is reasonable to expect they are contributing at least one million's worth (at a horrible hour even) and with that they should be able to grab more than just one sponsor. I believe complexity's release is either horribly misinformed, or bullshit.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere.
More people watch the GSL than American Idol? I think your numbers are wrong.
You can think all you want, I provided a source. The reported numbers are there.
First of all, it doesn't "regularly top 50 million viewers", as you say. That number provided was supposedly their total viewers for the first half of 2011, and even then I'm not confident that's not just the total number of VOD views during that time.
So, what kind of numbers does OSL actually get? It's hard to tell, most of the reported ratings seem to be for proleague. According to this article, the Batoo OSL Ro16 (so not that far in the tournament, maybe a low representation of overall viewers) drew 1.12% of Korean males 13-29. Then we can go over to this image and see that there are roughly 1.85+1.7+1.95+(0.5*1.65) = 6.3 million such males, so that's 70,000 just in that demographic for one broadcast. I think we can fairly extrapolate that there are at least 100,000 viewers, then, for just an average night in the OSL.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet.
I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet.
I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one.
Winning an OSL has been a life long dream for almost all these people...
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet.
I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one.
You need to understand that it's not all about the money. The Australian Open gives out more prize money than Wimbledon, but the latter is still more prestigious.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere.
More people watch the GSL than American Idol? I think your numbers are wrong.
You can think all you want, I provided a source. The reported numbers are there.
First of all, it doesn't "regularly top 50 million viewers", as you say. That number provided was supposedly their total viewers for the first half of 2011, and even then I'm not confident that's not just the total number of VOD views during that time.
On June 28 2012 11:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: This is their first SC2 tournament, plus, BW had more viewers in korea than the entire world has for SC2 right now. Just perspective.
unless you can find a source saying over 50 million koreans watch BW... that statement isn't going anywhere.
I think you need to cite your own sources a bit better, or at least learn how to read them. Anyways, just because I'm bored and have all this readily available I made a long post here. But yes, the gomtv is a summation of vod and stream views (as even specifically said in the article if you read it). + Show Spoiler +
The gsl methodology by gomtv is pretty damn shitty, as specifically said in the article:
"therefore when summing up the number of viewers of the live broadcast and VODs, the number of foreign GSL viewers through GomTV is said to be 40,922,366 viewers and 12,516,491 viewers through the NeoTV; totaling up to 53,438,857 viewers. This number is calculated only up to the SuperTournament Finals that was held on June 18th of this year. Therefore it is predicted that the number of viewers including the new GSTL season and GSL Regular season for the rest of the year will easily add up to more than 100 million viewers."
so they summed up vod views, and it's quite apparent they don't have 100 million viewers lol.
Since I don't want to bother to look up anything new, I'll rehash something I posted in the first ongamenet to sc2 league thread about vod views for bw vs sc2 in korea exclusively (outdated league as this was for gomtv's bw leagues a few years back. They definitely reach 2.1 million is basically my point) + Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2012 21:44 blubbdavid wrote: That picture is the future of LoL
It's already happening! And that's the first major LoL tournament in Korea.
Those chairs look pretty empty to me, they're full near the front, but once you get to the middle and back it's like one person for every two or three chairs.
Still larger than SC2 in Korea.
Guess what? GSL Code S finals were going on at the same time.
Guess which one got more attention.
Edit: Let me give you some statistics about that finals.
1. It got up 2.219% of males aged 19-24. 2. During the final, for almost an hour, it got an average of 1.861% of viewers and was the 2nd most watched program during that time. 3. People started lining up from 7 o'clock in the morning, and almost 8000 people maxed out the stadium. 4. During the finals, ongamenet became one of the most searched words on various Korean portal sites.
I don't think anyone will argue LoL is bigger than SC2 in Korea at the moment, but the Code S finals did have 2,000 people in the arena. It also has 700,000 VoD views on the GOMTV site. That's pretty damn good for a tournament that isn't on television in Korea and is primarily online. Also Squirtle and MVP, if I remember, were one of the most popular searches on a Korean portal site while the finals were going on.
I think this is smart by OGN. By announcing this is the LAST CHAMPION in Brood War history, even if the finals are hyvaa vs. Shine, they'll probably draw a 10,000+ crowd if they decide to go to a big venue. The hype and the legends match beforehand will make it one of the biggest finals they've ever had.
Is that attendance number a sign of growth or stagnation? I am highly leaning towards the latter.
And I doubt that they count only Korean viewers towards the VoD views on their site, so that statistic is unusable.
I got no word of mvp and squirtle being top search terms. If you can provide a source, that would be very helpful.
For the second point, no, the count of the VoD views is quite reliable because Gom setup a site specifically for English VoD at GomTv.net. And normally, people who don't have Premium ticket won't be able to watch the Korean VoD if they are not from Korea. So the 700,000 VoD views on the Korean site (since the foreign site has 250k views) would be mostly Korean. If we think of something like 90% Korean, then it would still be 630,000 VoD views.
EDIT: The Korean VoD is also played on GomTV.net site, which even make the incentive to go to the Korean site for foreigners lower.
EDIT 2: I also tried experimenting of whether the VoD can be played from the US, and I could not watch it. Refreshing the page or clicking to open the page from the link also not increase the watch count.
Just because I wanted to do the comparison, the vods for the finals of GomTV Classic Season 2 had 1,526,920 views, and GomTV Classic Season 3 had 1,509,156 views. Season 2 also had a ro8 matchup of Bisu vs Flash that had 2,090,148 views. The MVP vs Squirtle match has 712,477 views as its finals (can still grow with people watching it in the future, etc).
also though, you can see overall league vods for code S season 2 and for the GomTV season 3. I believe season 2 vods for GomTV Intel Classicare buried in later pages of season3 as following the link for it leads to same pages. But you can see the viewership numbers of the overall league, not just the finals (it's actually funny coincidence that MVP was the lowest viewercount for GomTV classic season 3 ro16 with 198,905). Big names like jaedong even grab like 500,000 in ro32 vs no names but overal ro16s is like ~300,000-~500,000 (depending on players) for the bw and ~180,000-~250,000 for ro8/ro4 sc2 (with one ro4 match being higher at 340,000).
Note those comparisons are out of date for brood war--as it may not be as popular now, and I think it's actually positive outlook for sc2 in korea that it still can grow some, but GomTV is still consistently pulling in ~1/2 the koreans than they did for bw. And this is exclusively comparing GomTV leagues with GomTV leagues.
So I think it is fair to say the 2.09 million vod viewers for bisu vs flash ro8 is comparable to the 2.2 live viewers for mlg's championship sunday (of which LoL is a large chunk). But if you say 4.7 million viewers for whole event let's say a full 2.2 million were sc2 exclusive.
"The final set between Flash and Best reflected the most response from viewers, achieving a max viewership ratio of 2.514% (21% of males aged 16-19). In other words, 2 out of every 10 male Korean high school students watched the last set of the Proleague final."
which I don't know how tv viewership is rated or whatever, but if it's 2.514% of the population of south korea that's 1.2 million people.
Which if we assume sc2 on championship sunday pulled 1.2 million/2.2 million viewers on championship sunday, holy shit the claim that bw in korea is as large as sc2 worldwide is schockingly accurate. Especially as peak concurrent viewers was in the 400,000s. Yes I acknowledge that not everybody could watch mlg live on championship sunday, etc etc, but the vod views for mlg championship (winners bracket finals, losers bracket finals, and the finals) is about 13.5k on the largest one. Clearly not many people checked out the vods
lastly just because I have it readily available I'll throw a fomos article (in english) about the opening of sk planet season 1, which was end of 2011.
where the numbers seem weirdly translated/reported--I don't know if .905 of korean males 23-25 is 90.5% or .905% (doubt the .905%, as 1% of males 23-25 is not worth reporting lol), and I think 13% of "total viewership" means 13% of cable channel audience, but most significantly they did have the #1 cable slot of 13-29 male viewers of tv. So I don't know how much that is but I'd imagine it would be at least 200,000 cable viewers. ""To be honest, achieving decent viewership numbers in certain target group(s) is not very hard when you air a well-targeted program at a specific hour. Still, holding 1st place in viewership among male viewers aged 13-29 for the entirety of the KT vs. Ace match is a significant achievement."
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
it's a similar prize pool to gsl, winner gets 40k and so on i think
Thanks GSL is 50,000K
Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days.
used to be?
It IS the most prestigious tournament
Well what exactly makes it more prestigious then?
I guess to explain my view, the most prestigious league should have
1. Big Names and Sponsors 2. The biggest prize pool 3. The current top players
Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself.
This fact coupled with the substantially smaller prize pool makes it hard to argue that OSL is MOST Prestigious.
I have no doubt that it is a top tier premier league, but I'm holding reservations on calling it "the BEST" for now.
Also, It's pretty hard to compare global viewership without counting the VODS. Remember that GSL is now a global show instead of just Korean Mainstream, thus to discredit VOD-views, which most foreigners watch instead of live, may underestimate the overall viewership.
^ we've already answered this. The NAME of the tournament itself gives the prestige. Starcraft pros have wet dreams over winning a starleague. It could have a prize pool of zero for all they care, winning this title is like winning the world cup.
edit: you can actually see this pretty easily for yourself. look through the qualifier list. look at the amount of code s/code a, and a shit ton of unknown code b players ready to make their explosive entrance. These guys know the prestige that comes with winning the osl, they want their shot at it. The fact that only 1 person per every group of 32 players can get through makes it all the more cutthroat
On June 28 2012 13:31 rysecake wrote: ^ we've already answered this. The NAME of the tournament itself gives the prestige. Starcraft pros have wet dreams over winning a starleague. It could have a prize pool of zero for all they care, winning this title is like winning the world cup.
Thank you guys for answering. <3
Sure BroodWar players have wet dreams about winning OSL but do StarCraft 2 players have wet dreams about the OSL? It's kind of a different world, no?
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
it's a similar prize pool to gsl, winner gets 40k and so on i think
Thanks GSL is 50,000K
Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days.
used to be?
It IS the most prestigious tournament
Well what exactly makes it more prestigious then?
I guess to explain my view, the most prestigious league should have
1. Big Names and Sponsors 2. The biggest prize pool 3. The current top players
Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself.
This fact coupled with the substantially smaller prize pool makes it hard to argue that OSL is MOST Prestigious.
I have no doubt that it is a top tier premier league, but I'm holding reservations on calling it "the BEST" for now.
Also, It's pretty hard to compare global viewership without counting the VODS. Remember that GSL is now a global show instead of just Korean Mainstream, thus to discredit VOD-views, which most foreigners watch instead of live, may underestimate the overall viewership.
I think what neoghaleon tries to argue is that "the GSL is what shaping the highest level of play in Korean SC2 (and to a certain extent, the world) scene since the beginning and makes SC2 as we know today. So as an SC2 tournament, GSL should be considered more prestigious than OSL because it is the tournament that established the scene and OSL still has not prove it's prestige in SC2 scene yet. Couple with the bigger prize even makes GSL more prestigious". This is kinda understanble, especially if he did not follow BW.
I don't have any thoughtful comment whether OSL or GSL is more prestigious in SC2 scene but I would say they both hold their own values. GSL is what making the highest level of today's games possible, but at the same time OSL is still the most prestigious "Starcraft" league to date. It depends on the quality of games, especially from KesPA's players, that would make OSL the most prestigious league in the truest sense (highest level of play and longest running league).
EDIT: And the discussion had proceeded so much before I hit "post reply" button
On June 28 2012 13:31 rysecake wrote: ^ we've already answered this. The NAME of the tournament itself gives the prestige. Starcraft pros have wet dreams over winning a starleague. It could have a prize pool of zero for all they care, winning this title is like winning the world cup.
Thank you guys for answering. <3
Sure BroodWar players have wet dreams about winning OSL but do StarCraft 2 players have wet dreams about the OSL? It's kind of a different world, no?
the majority of the sc2 players are bw players.
mvp, mc, nestea, forgg, drg, jinro, squirtle, symbol, etc.etc.etc. i could go on forever
even those outside of bw (wc3 plyers) know how much an osl is worth prestige wise. That's why you see so many unknown names here (some of them from bw, some of them from who knows where)
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet.
I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one.
Any titles won under GSL will mean absolutely nothing simply because it was once a monthly tournament. MVP could have 6 titles, but all of those would have happened in such a short span of time that his longevity was never tested. Players were tested not only for their skill, but their perseverance too. Imagine balancing two Starleagues and being your team's ace player for Proleague. If you manage to make it far into both every league, there's a possibility of having a different match up back to back.
Winning an OSL means walking into a hall where legends once tread. I'm sorry to say this, but in those halls MVP is a pre-Light era Woongjin Terran. The legitimacy that winning an OSL grants is immense, because the level of competition has always been the very best. I find your last comment confusing, because there is no league more well-established than the OSL. It is a league with more than 10 years of history and buckets full of television viewers. OSL was perhaps the very birth of what people now call "eSports" and the birth of mainstream gaming. I'd damn well say that it's the most prestigious league.
On June 28 2012 13:36 Veldril wrote: I think what neoghaleon tries to argue is that "the GSL is what shaping the highest level of play in Korean SC2 (and to a certain extent, the world) scene since the beginning and makes SC2 as we know today. So as an SC2 tournament, GSL should be considered more prestigious than OSL because it is the tournament that established the scene and OSL still has not prove it's prestige in SC2 scene yet. Couple with the bigger prize even makes GSL more prestigious". This is kinda understanble, especially if he did not follow BW.
I don't have any thoughtful comment whether OSL or GSL is more prestigious in SC2 scene but I would say they both hold their own values. GSL is what making the highest level of today's games possible, but at the same time OSL is still the most prestigious "Starcraft" league to date. It depends on the quality of games, especially from KesPA's players, that would make OSL the most prestigious league in the truest sense.
Thanks for understanding me. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just offering a different viewpoint.
the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself.
I would also like to comment on this matter
The length of the OSL is seen as one of its strengths, not one of its weaknesses. The fact that it is so long means that momentary shifts do not have as big of an impact. If one group of players discovers something that gives them a momentary advantage, the rest have time to react and respond to it (part of this is helped by the fact that series are not played all on one day - they'll play one game in four different series on one day, then do it again on another day). A player who comes out on top of OSL is one who has been able to sustain top performance for a significant amount of time.
god... noobs not knowing what OSL is or what it means to the players is facepalm status right there. The only reason OSL can afford to not have a huge prize pool and still attract the best of the best to compete in their tournament is due to the reputation and prestige of the event. Also, as it has been mentioned many times (both on the forums and by the commentators), most of the sc2 pros were bw pros. Players like MVP, MC, Nestea, and others played with the goal to do well in the OSL. They got dominated by most of the A and S class players and so this time around (now that they are better) they can own it up and grab that long elusive OSL title.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
i give them plenty of credit for doign their job and opening sc2 to the globe. but the point still stands that if they tried opening their tournament at the same time osl or msl did, they wouldn't have gotten to where they were today simply because they would be trying to fight a decade long starleague with a brand new one
On June 28 2012 13:31 rysecake wrote: ^ we've already answered this. The NAME of the tournament itself gives the prestige. Starcraft pros have wet dreams over winning a starleague. It could have a prize pool of zero for all they care, winning this title is like winning the world cup.
Thank you guys for answering. <3
Sure BroodWar players have wet dreams about winning OSL but do StarCraft 2 players have wet dreams about the OSL? It's kind of a different world, no?
I doubt starcraft 2 players have wet dreams about winning.
On June 28 2012 13:36 Veldril wrote: I think what neoghaleon tries to argue is that "the GSL is what shaping the highest level of play in Korean SC2 (and to a certain extent, the world) scene since the beginning and makes SC2 as we know today. So as an SC2 tournament, GSL should be considered more prestigious than OSL because it is the tournament that established the scene and OSL still has not prove it's prestige in SC2 scene yet. Couple with the bigger prize even makes GSL more prestigious". This is kinda understanble, especially if he did not follow BW.
I don't have any thoughtful comment whether OSL or GSL is more prestigious in SC2 scene but I would say they both hold their own values. GSL is what making the highest level of today's games possible, but at the same time OSL is still the most prestigious "Starcraft" league to date. It depends on the quality of games, especially from KesPA's players, that would make OSL the most prestigious league in the truest sense.
Thanks for understanding me. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just offering a different viewpoint.
sometimes a viewpoint that doesn't read his own articles.
but anyways, you do have to give gsl credit as they branched out to foreigners with the original gomtv classics and hired tasteless in the first place, then stepped it way up with sc2. OGN probably doesn't actually have any concrete plans for this OSL for foreigners, as torch and moletrap commentate their LoL.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
it's a similar prize pool to gsl, winner gets 40k and so on i think
Thanks GSL is 50,000K
Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days.
used to be?
It IS the most prestigious tournament
Well what exactly makes it more prestigious then?
I guess to explain my view, the most prestigious league should have
1. Big Names and Sponsors 2. The biggest prize pool 3. The current top players
Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself.
This fact coupled with the substantially smaller prize pool makes it hard to argue that OSL is MOST Prestigious.
I have no doubt that it is a top tier premier league, but I'm holding reservations on calling it "the BEST" for now.
Also, It's pretty hard to compare global viewership without counting the VODS. Remember that GSL is now a global show instead of just Korean Mainstream, thus to discredit VOD-views, which most foreigners watch instead of live, may underestimate the overall viewership.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
it's a similar prize pool to gsl, winner gets 40k and so on i think
Thanks GSL is 50,000K
Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days.
used to be?
It IS the most prestigious tournament
Well what exactly makes it more prestigious then?
I guess to explain my view, the most prestigious league should have
1. Big Names and Sponsors 2. The biggest prize pool 3. The current top players
Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself.
This fact coupled with the substantially smaller prize pool makes it hard to argue that OSL is MOST Prestigious.
I have no doubt that it is a top tier premier league, but I'm holding reservations on calling it "the BEST" for now.
Also, It's pretty hard to compare global viewership without counting the VODS. Remember that GSL is now a global show instead of just Korean Mainstream, thus to discredit VOD-views, which most foreigners watch instead of live, may underestimate the overall viewership.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
it's a similar prize pool to gsl, winner gets 40k and so on i think
Thanks GSL is 50,000K
Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days.
used to be?
It IS the most prestigious tournament
Well what exactly makes it more prestigious then?
I guess to explain my view, the most prestigious league should have
1. Big Names and Sponsors 2. The biggest prize pool 3. The current top players
Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself.
This fact coupled with the substantially smaller prize pool makes it hard to argue that OSL is MOST Prestigious.
I have no doubt that it is a top tier premier league, but I'm holding reservations on calling it "the BEST" for now.
Also, It's pretty hard to compare global viewership without counting the VODS. Remember that GSL is now a global show instead of just Korean Mainstream, thus to discredit VOD-views, which most foreigners watch instead of live, may underestimate the overall viewership.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet.
I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one.
Any titles won under GSL will mean absolutely nothing simply because it was once a monthly tournament. MVP could have 6 titles, but all of those would have happened in such a short span of time that his longevity was never tested. Players were tested not only for their skill, but their perseverance too. Imagine balancing two Starleagues and being your team's ace player for Proleague. If you manage to make it far into both every league, there's a possibility of having a different match up back to back.
Winning an OSL means walking into a hall where legends once tread. I'm sorry to say this, but in those halls MVP is a pre-Light era Woongjin Terran. The legitimacy that winning an OSL grants is immense, because the level of competition has always been the very best. I find your last comment confusing, because there is no league more well-established than the OSL. It is a league with more than 10 years of history and buckets full of television viewers. OSL was perhaps the very birth of what people now call "eSports" and the birth of mainstream gaming. I'd damn well say that it's the most prestigious league.
OSL was prestigious league in BW. But the way OGN is setting up SCII starleague, it is not going to be the same. And if they keep giving Kespa players special treatments, it won't change.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet.
I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one.
Any titles won under GSL will mean absolutely nothing simply because it was once a monthly tournament. MVP could have 6 titles, but all of those would have happened in such a short span of time that his longevity was never tested. Players were tested not only for their skill, but their perseverance too. Imagine balancing two Starleagues and being your team's ace player for Proleague. If you manage to make it far into both every league, there's a possibility of having a different match up back to back.
Winning an OSL means walking into a hall where legends once tread. I'm sorry to say this, but in those halls MVP is a pre-Light era Woongjin Terran. The legitimacy that winning an OSL grants is immense, because the level of competition has always been the very best. I find your last comment confusing, because there is no league more well-established than the OSL. It is a league with more than 10 years of history and buckets full of television viewers. OSL was perhaps the very birth of what people now call "eSports" and the birth of mainstream gaming. I'd damn well say that it's the most prestigious league.
OSL was prestigious league in BW. But the way OGN is setting up SCII starleague, it is not going to be the same. And if they keep giving Kespa players special treatments, it won't change.
Special treatments? I loled. It's been bush league stuff man since they announced the last PL. It sucks when players are forced to do double duty.
I'm a firm believer in earning your keep. Yes, the guys transitioning have a long ways to go and just like the laughing joke that has become the PL they want to make sure their players who have celebrity status at least get to the first part of the big dance.
There is no strict policy and thank heaven's they're allowing everyone else to compete. They want it to be open to anyone and everyone when you used to need a pro gamer license just to get chosen by a pro gamer team and able to qualify.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
it's a similar prize pool to gsl, winner gets 40k and so on i think
Thanks GSL is 50,000K
Longer tourney with less money though I heard it used to be the most prestigious.... .... not sure how much it's worth these days.
used to be?
It IS the most prestigious tournament
Well what exactly makes it more prestigious then?
I guess to explain my view, the most prestigious league should have
1. Big Names and Sponsors 2. The biggest prize pool 3. The current top players
Being a longer tournament that lasts half a year may leave the current top players out. Remember just in the last GSL, all the Zergs died off by the round of 16. Yet in the last few weeks Zergs have been dominating tournaments world wide. The point is the meta-game will shift faster than the tournament itself.
This fact coupled with the substantially smaller prize pool makes it hard to argue that OSL is MOST Prestigious.
I have no doubt that it is a top tier premier league, but I'm holding reservations on calling it "the BEST" for now.
Also, It's pretty hard to compare global viewership without counting the VODS. Remember that GSL is now a global show instead of just Korean Mainstream, thus to discredit VOD-views, which most foreigners watch instead of live, may underestimate the overall viewership.
and yet everyone knowing that it has a smaller prize pool and a longer tournament, has decided to participate in the qualifiers.
your idea of prestige boils down to Fortune.
but the actual idea of prestige is Fame and legacy...
I'll say it again Winning the OSL means that you are part of the legendary legacy that gave birth to competitive starcraft in Korea.
Winning an OSL means that you are set for life.
Yes, exactly this.
I hate to be that dude that resorts to definitions, but in these sorts of discussions I think it really helps. By typing "definition: prestige" into Google, I got the following:
1. Respect and admiration felt for someone or something on the basis of their achievements or quality. 2. Denoting something that arouses such respect or admiration.
definition: prestigious results in the following
1. Inspiring respect and admiration; having high status.
While I agree that the most prestigious tournament should have the most sponsors, prize pool, and current top players, I do not think that a prestigious tournament is defined by all of these.
Suppose you have three tournaments: 1. A tournament with the most sponsors yet tied for the least prize money and worst player pool 2. A tournament with the biggest prize pool yet tied for the least sponsors and worst player pool. 3. A tournament with the players that are currently the best yet tied for the least sponsors and least prize money.
Winning which of these tournaments demands most respect or admiration? I argue that it's having a tournament with the players that are currently the best. Why? I really don't see how a player winning tournament 1 or 2 demands/earns my respect. It was an easy tournament so it's not a big accomplishment. A tournament with the best player pool (the players that are currently the best) is a hard tournament. It has the stiffest competition, and winning among the best players, in my opinion, demands a lot of respect. Definitely the most out of the winners of the three tournaments.
I guess we can consider a fourth tournament: 4. A tournament with the largest/longest legacy (whatever this means)...
Personally, I'm not really sure how to compare tournament 3 and 4 in terms of prestige. OSL is an ex-BW tournament that consistently had the best players competing. So for the longest time it was one of the most prestigious tournaments. Now it is known for being one of the most prestigious tournaments. Can it continue to be one of the most prestigious due to it's past alone? Maybe, but I'd argue that probably not for long. But by allowing GSL players to compete, they ensure some of the best players enter. Combine this with their history of being one of the hardest tournaments and the connotations attached to it, and it's a pretty damn prestigious tournament in my opinion.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Yeah considering SC2 never really caught on in Korea for several reasons.
Remember how guys used to knock the MSL? Well, technically they still do. Power shortage anyone? o; Still over time it grew on everyone. You should hear the debates back then when we discussed the prestigious tourneys. You'd probably go wtf.
On June 28 2012 07:51 neoghaleon55 wrote: Does anyone know the prize pool of an OSL on average, or how much 1st place gets? I've been looking at old OSL like the 2011 Jin Air OSL, but no prizes were reported.
Please tell me that the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets at least something for their efforts....
the winner of this ridiculously grueling tournament gets the title of best player in the world. This is THE most prestigious starcraft tournament there is. No one does the osl for the money. You're only here for the glory.
Is it possible to argue that OSL is more prestigious than the GSL? Especially when GSL has been the biggest premier StarCraft 2 league since the game's release, GSL has a bigger prize pool and overall prize output per year right now. Not to mention the whole OSL in Star2 hasn't even started yet.
I find it hard to swallow that an upcoming league, though popular during BW days, is more prestigious than a well established one.
Any titles won under GSL will mean absolutely nothing simply because it was once a monthly tournament. MVP could have 6 titles, but all of those would have happened in such a short span of time that his longevity was never tested. Players were tested not only for their skill, but their perseverance too. Imagine balancing two Starleagues and being your team's ace player for Proleague. If you manage to make it far into both every league, there's a possibility of having a different match up back to back.
Winning an OSL means walking into a hall where legends once tread. I'm sorry to say this, but in those halls MVP is a pre-Light era Woongjin Terran. The legitimacy that winning an OSL grants is immense, because the level of competition has always been the very best. I find your last comment confusing, because there is no league more well-established than the OSL. It is a league with more than 10 years of history and buckets full of television viewers. OSL was perhaps the very birth of what people now call "eSports" and the birth of mainstream gaming. I'd damn well say that it's the most prestigious league.
OSL was prestigious league in BW. But the way OGN is setting up SCII starleague, it is not going to be the same. And if they keep giving Kespa players special treatments, it won't change.
Special treatments? I loled. It's been bush league stuff man since they announced the last PL. It sucks when players are forced to do double duty.
I'm a firm believer in earning your keep. Yes, the guys transitioning have a long ways to go and just like the laughing joke that has become the PL they want to make sure their players who have celebrity status at least get to the first part of the big dance.
There is no strict policy and thank heaven's they're allowing everyone else to compete. They want it to be open to anyone and everyone when you used to need a pro gamer license just to get chosen by a pro gamer team and able to qualify.
They've been very lax. Very, very lax.
I'd like to include Kespa created the double league so any double duty is their fault to begin with and their problem to solve when it comes to OSL timing juggling for BW players.
The current OSL participants have to be considered as well. I may be a salty BW fan and place more emphasis on the last BW OSL, but that doesn't mean the progamers still in OSL aren't working their asses off for the very last BW league. The winner will have obviously practiced more BW. Do you turn around and say "Good job, but this is over and all of it was meaningless. You should've been practicing for SC2, because now you won't even have a spot in the next OSL!" It's going to be interesting how they treat the winner of the last OSL and the people within at least the Ro4.
The current OSL participants have to be considered as well. I may be a salty BW fan and place more emphasis on the last BW OSL, but that doesn't mean the progamers still in OSL aren't working their asses off for the very last BW league. The winner will have obviously practiced more BW. Do you turn around and say "Good job, but this is over and all of it was meaningless. You should've been practicing for SC2, because now you won't even have a spot in the next OSL!" It's going to be interesting how they treat the winner of the last OSL and the people within at least the Ro4.
Wow, I haven't thought of that. That sounds terrible for the Winner of OSL this season...
The current OSL participants have to be considered as well. I may be a salty BW fan and place more emphasis on the last BW OSL, but that doesn't mean the progamers still in OSL aren't working their asses off for the very last BW league. The winner will have obviously practiced more BW. Do you turn around and say "Good job, but this is over and all of it was meaningless. You should've been practicing for SC2, because now you won't even have a spot in the next OSL!" It's going to be interesting how they treat the winner of the last OSL and the people within at least the Ro4.
Wow, I haven't thought of that. That sounds terrible for the Winner of OSL this season...
The current OSL participants have to be considered as well. I may be a salty BW fan and place more emphasis on the last BW OSL, but that doesn't mean the progamers still in OSL aren't working their asses off for the very last BW league. The winner will have obviously practiced more BW. Do you turn around and say "Good job, but this is over and all of it was meaningless. You should've been practicing for SC2, because now you won't even have a spot in the next OSL!" It's going to be interesting how they treat the winner of the last OSL and the people within at least the Ro4.
Wow, I haven't thought of that. That sounds terrible for the Winner of OSL this season...
Flash will be just fine.
Flash's competition is stiff, I wouldn't bet on him to win just yet..
The current OSL participants have to be considered as well. I may be a salty BW fan and place more emphasis on the last BW OSL, but that doesn't mean the progamers still in OSL aren't working their asses off for the very last BW league. The winner will have obviously practiced more BW. Do you turn around and say "Good job, but this is over and all of it was meaningless. You should've been practicing for SC2, because now you won't even have a spot in the next OSL!" It's going to be interesting how they treat the winner of the last OSL and the people within at least the Ro4.
Wow, I haven't thought of that. That sounds terrible for the Winner of OSL this season...
Flash will be just fine.
Flash's competition is stiff, I wouldn't bet on him to win just yet..
Its going to be Flash vs Fantasy in RO4. That match will essentially be the finals and I could see it going all the way and to me that benefits Flash. He will probably (hopefully) face Janbi in finals. Now I know Jangbi knocked him out last time but there were mitigating circumstances that caused that so I take it with a grain of salt and still put Flash as heavy favorite.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
On June 28 2012 17:55 opterown wrote: hey guys, is it worth it making an lr thread for this? are we likely to get streams/live updates? :D
There should be a stream, at least there was in bw iirc. Was always fun to watch as they jumped game to game and sometimes watched the whole fp view of a player ^^.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
On June 29 2012 00:56 Bluerain wrote: how come the kespa players have a separate qualifiers? sorry if this has been asked previously...
It would be too hard for them to compete with the current SC2 players and that would probably mean lower viewership numbers etc. I think they might re-work it further down the line, when the "new" guys catch up.
On June 29 2012 00:56 Bluerain wrote: how come the kespa players have a separate qualifiers? sorry if this has been asked previously...
To keep it from becoming just a 2nd GSL with longer commercials. The kespa players have a lot of starpower and will pull in a lot of fans.
I'm just hoping that there will at least be some upsets with them so that they don't go out in the first round like effort, flash, jaedong, soulkey or someone like that who's starting to show a lot more skill in sc2 already.
I hope they won't use a ridiculous tournament format like: "left side of the bracket = GSL players, right side of the bracket = kespa players". Unfortunately, if they would match up a GSL player with a kespa player every match in the first round then I'm pretty sure all the kespa players will disappear from the tournament very quickly.
Assuming they match 16 players from the open qualifiers with 16 players from the kespa ones, they could try and rig the system by having a group phase with a 3-1 divide. Three kespa players that can fight over one spot and a gsl player that's the favorite to win the group. Of course, half of the groups would be 1-3 and have only one kespa player to probably not advance. This would be nice since it promotes the kespa vs gsl player rivalry while still ensuring that at the very least four kespa players advance to the Ro16, enough to put a kespa player in all the four groups yet again.
I'm very excited for this and am hoping to see some great games...
That said, I'm at least a little bit wary of Kespa getting involved in SC2. Not because I'm a complete hater I just really hope they are a little more open to events and players outside of Korea than they have been in the past. I just fear a future where MLG, IPL and so on are essentially invalidated because Kespa players aren't allowed (or are strongly discouraged) from playing in them.
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote: I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
can anyone try and edit with recognizeable names? I see someone added the korean name, but not the tag/ID, if not that's fine : P I was just wondering, because korean text is hard to read when you don't read Korean and like all of there names look so similar : (
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.
Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote: [quote]
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.
Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.
I agree they won't go to all the events either but even with MLG added it is going to be a pretty packed schedule. Good news is we have a lot of tournaments to watch .
On June 28 2012 13:41 rysecake wrote: the reason gsl has held the highest level of competition up to this point was because osl and msl were still doing sc1 at the time, making gsl the only high level sc2 league in korea. had osl and msl dropped sc1 2 years ago at the start of sc2, gsl wouldn't even be here today. gsl gained fame simply through being at the right place at the right time.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote:
On June 28 2012 13:48 neoghaleon55 wrote: [quote]
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.
Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.
I could see IPL being a definite option, also IEM's event if they clear up the treatment of players (or so it was said was poor)... I wouldn't limit it to just MLG/DH, and even if it is, that's still awesome.
That's highly debatable. GSL was the first Korean Star League to market itself primarily to a global audience. OSL and MSL were being broadcasted with the Korean audience in mind, only. If I recall, Pro-League still has no English commentators...
It's difficult to globalize the sport the way KeSPA has been doing it for years. Point is, I do not think you give GOMTV enough credit.
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
On June 28 2012 17:49 Zaphid wrote:
On June 28 2012 17:36 Ocedic wrote:
On June 28 2012 14:13 Talin wrote: [quote]
GOM didn't have a choice in the matter. Reaching out to a global audience was the only thing they could have done. There was never any hope for them in focusing primarily on Korea, they're simply outclassed in Korea when it comes to delivering game/esports content.
Actually he means in the BW days. I believe GSL existed for a brief period before SC2. It notably had Tasteless and Artosis casting an English version much like the GSL today. Kespa didn't allow its players to participate in this, however, and the league died off.
Take this information with a grain of salt, as I just remember reading this on these forums. I don't have a source.
There were 3 seasons of BW GSL, winners being Jaedong, Bisu and Flash, with some special events mixed in. 3 individual tournaments meant pretty big workload for most of the A/S class players and there was also the start of Blizzard and Kespa trying to screw each other. Gom was friendly with Blizzard and international audience, so they basically got free reign and rights for SC2. Kespa shunned SC2 and forced more and more players to withdraw from BW GSL until the league essentially died, but it was the least prestigious from the start, there was only giant single elim bracket and no groups.
Take both these posts with giant slabs of salt. GOM league did not die because of Kespa shenanigans. Typical Kespa hate and misinformation running around SC2 forums.
I thought GOM couldn't go on because there were just too many games going on? OSL+MSL+PL meant the schedule for top players were already packed. I remember when Flash had a stretch when he had to play OSL, MSL, PL, AND GOM games for 15 days straight, capped off by losing to Leta in MSL Ro16 after winning the first game.
It is going to be interesting how there going to balance that out...I do think though it will be good for the players to make even more money .
Well, MSL is no longer exist () so it becomes OSL+GSL+PL which GOM kinda fit in the hole that MSL left.
Oh they clearly arent going to send there A squad to nearly as many foreign events as you imply. I would say MLG, Dreamhack, and maybe the odd event here and there but the rest will probably not get the cream of the crop or will get nothing.
I could see IPL being a definite option, also IEM's event if they clear up the treatment of players (or so it was said was poor)... I wouldn't limit it to just MLG/DH, and even if it is, that's still awesome.
I think all the premiers will still be well attended (ie MLG, IPL, DH, IEM, Assembly, HSC, even NASL). It's already hard to attend most things even now already =/
Maybe what will happen is we'll see less open bracket koreans, but the seeded ones will probably still be there.
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote: I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote: I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote: I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote: I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote: I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote: I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least
I really hope you do well. You're a great guy and it was sad to see so much negative criticism get thrown your way.
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote: I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.
Well, there was that MLG Exhibition Tournament. I think the draw of this OSL is to see if the BW players will manage to catch-up by September and if they can pull of the upsets and I think it'll be fun.
On July 02 2012 09:14 BluePanther wrote: so only nani and thorzain foreigners? where's huk?
Not sure if Huk is back in Korea yet. Jinro is also participating. Slog as well (if you consider him a foreigner). SaSe IMO is the most notable foreigner missing.
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote: I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least
I really hope you do well. You're a great guy and it was sad to see so much negative criticism get thrown your way.
On July 01 2012 14:20 Moletrap wrote: I'm going to go to the qualifiers, by the way... Going to try to get some interviews or general coverage at least
On July 02 2012 10:32 Shellshock1122 wrote: Is moletrap the only one there that can give us updates or are some of the other Gom casters going to be there, too?
Khaldor is there, too. He's giving updates via twitter.
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote: I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.
If they get eliminated early, it will be GSl, only with free VoDs.
On June 29 2012 01:39 Silentenigma wrote: I hope Kespa players dont get eliminated quickly.If it happens no reason to watch this over any tournament.
I dont understand your logic there. It will still have almost all the best players in world as well with the potential for a great storyline if even 1 kespa player makes it far.
I mean there are lots of tournaments with same players all the time like MLG DH IPL GSL.If BW players get eliminated quickly it will be just another tournament.I just want a different special tournament.
If they get eliminated early, it will be GSl, only with free VoDs.
guy is like the reverse version of jobbers who whine about foreigners getting eliminated and koreans being ROBOT123 holy cow mind blown
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