EPTHotS MLG Info Updates - Page 67
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
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Natespank
Canada449 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:07 Wildmoon wrote: I am worried about Ultralisk charge the most. It looks OP as hell. It's not final anyway. I hope Ultralisk charge don't make it. On top of that it's another 'AI micros for you' band-aid. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: With the viper pull (doesn't seem to cost much mana... seems to be like 75? i think it may need to be higher like NP, maybe viper cost adjusted, idk it seems like they're pulling way too often tho, but maybe i'm wrong). Are vipers armored and/or psyonic? i wonder if vikings/ghosts work against those. With tanks being easier to target out, i wonder if they may buff tank dps (if they already haven't). That would help mech in TvP as well. Warhounds and battle hellions are cool but they're not BW-mech style. They're a bit more immobile than bio but it looks midway between mech and bio, since they're not sieging and unsieging like in BW (or like in TvT or TvZ in sc2 lol). Or maybe they intend the widow mines to help a lot with that positional/defense mech style, instead of relying on the tank so much? Also interesting is that they are like seeker missile, especially in that they are designed to do heavy damage but not in a huge splash radius. That's good for protoss units I guess, and units like roach/hydra (hellions already deal well enough with lings). I wonder if people can gather more data about hots though. Isn't there a compilation thread somewhere about costs and etc.? You can't really play mech without tank. Battle Hellion and Warhound will not be viable if they are not supported by tank imo. Only way to play mech without tank is to go mass Thors. Other than that it's still the same old mech with different unit but the standard unit will still be tank. | ||
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Nikoras
United States115 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:44 jj33 wrote: I don't see how the viper pull move will not be imbalanced as hell. I'm a zerg player, I hope it doesn't go through. Too many hard counters to tanks in this game as well. Toss player here, I actually think it will be fine as long as I have templar out in front to feedback, although there might be some scary timings where I'm relying on immortals for defense and they get pulled. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:48 SimDawg wrote: Anyone remember that tanks used to do a ton of damage back in the beta, then they nerfed them? Love to see them go back to pre-nerf levels. They'd be very BW-esque then. Yeah i think with all the new units meant to deal with siege tanks warrants them going back to 70 damage like in the BW days. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:12 Nikoras wrote: Toss player here, I actually think it will be fine as long as I have templar out in front to feedback, although there might be some scary timings where I'm relying on immortals for defense and they get pulled. I think a bigger problem is the fact that it simply looks stupid :p | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:11 Wildmoon wrote: You can't really play mech without tank. Battle Hellion and Warhound will not be viable if they are not supported by tank imo. Only way to play mech without tank is to go mass Thors. Other than that it's still the same old mech with different unit but the standard unit will still be tank. Why do you think that? Hellion warhound owned that protoss army in the trailer. Warhounds are probably more effective than thors now, and battle hellions deal with zealots. HTs can storm battle hellions but they can't feedback warhounds. Archons wouldn't do much damage. (and if colossi deal with warhounds well, then you can just get vikings vs colossi, so hellion tank viking could be replaced with battle hellion warhound viking, or at least early on where the tanks aren't as good because of smaller numbers) | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Why do you think that? Hellion warhound owned that protoss army in the trailer. Warhounds are probably more effective than thors now, and battle hellions deal with zealots. HTs can storm battle hellions but they can't feedback warhounds. Archons wouldn't do much damage. I get a feeling that that video is not really accurate way judge the game. It just makes more sense to mix in tanks. Tanks may not be so good vs Zealot and Archon but in large number and having other units to protect it then it's decent. Unlike Thor, Warhound is not good vs everthing. It's bad vs Archon and Zealot. | ||
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ETisME
12712 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:07 Wildmoon wrote: I am worried about Ultralisk charge the most. It looks OP as hell. It's not final anyway. I hope Ultralisk charge don't make it. looking from the zvp game, it doesn't look that good, the ultras pop out and kinda look confused what to do for a sec there | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:33 ETisME wrote: looking from the zvp game, it doesn't look that good, the ultras pop out and kinda look confused what to do for a sec there Well, it looks OP as hell in TvZ. | ||
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ujonecro
United Kingdom846 Posts
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:08 Natespank wrote: confirmed it: terran got shit on.. cuz they're not OP anymore? On June 09 2012 16:08 Natespank wrote: I don't care if new units are OP for other races sounds like you do. On June 09 2012 16:08 Natespank wrote: I just want equally op units for terran. Something at least. marine. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
I worked so hard for 5 seasons to hit rank 1 master and I did it. And now, I'm fed up with Terran and all the patches, as well as what HotS has to "offer". I'll be switching to Protoss and I truly wonder if there will be a lot of us Terrans who will even continue on in HotS with Terran. (We've already lost a lot throughout the last few seasons...) | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:39 zmansman17 wrote: I'm really upset with HotS. I worked so hard for 5 seasons to hit rank 1 master and I did it. And now, I'm fed up with Terran and all the patches, as well as what HotS has to "offer". I'll be switching to Protoss and I truly wonder if there will be a lot of us Terrans who will even continue on in HotS with Terran. (We've already lost a lot throughout the last few seasons...) if we remove half the terrans from ladder i think everyone will be happy. when WOL came out it was just ridiculous. i find it funny that terrans suddenly feel a horrific dispair once blizzard finally balanced them to a 50% winrate. they were probably the same ones telling zerg to stfu and l2p when the game first came out and zerg had like a 43% winrate. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
Widow Mines Widow mines attack air or ground. Spider mines except they have a timer on them and attach to units (you could probably pull them out of your control group to not get owned) Widow Mine (temp art is a spider mine). Leaps up and grabs ground or air targets. Timer (10 seconds currently). AoE dmg. Widow Mines trying to break up death balls. If the unit dies (you kill your own unit). It doesn't do AoE to units around it. Widow mine is factory unit - no tech lab required (can reactor it). Can move them around the map. Dustin expects that most pros will never get hit by widow mine splash. Experimenting with friendly splash. Still testing - if it's air, the splash only hits air, if its ground only ground. Range of vipers is 9 - turrets are 7. " Dustin expects that most pros will never get hit by widow mine splash" Seems like we've a new reaper (one more should I say, regen wouldn't help against queen at 5 range). Can't believe we went from spider mines to "that". What a betrayal. But judging at the battle report, it's pretty clear Blizzard employees are still at the beta level we were 2 years ago. Them balancing hots based on internal testing makes me shiver. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:38 TheDraken wrote: cuz they're not OP anymore? sounds like you do. marine. Terran is OP? Is this a joke? | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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