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dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
June 09 2012 05:45 GMT
#1281
On June 09 2012 14:37 Fueled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 14:32 NoobCrunch wrote:
honestly swarm hosts look so lame
warhound model is pretty much bad as well

I can see the swarm host being pretty viable in some fights in TvZ, but I think it'll shine in PvZ.

Also, is its ability automatic or do you need press a hotkey to get those broodlings out?


In the battle reports, its ability was autocastable.

And in PvZ, I think their effectiveness will depend entirely on how many colossi are on the field.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
June 09 2012 05:45 GMT
#1282
If detection can see widow mines they are pretty useless vs p and in very early game.

They actually made mech unusable vs zerg now as the thor replacement for aa only does good ground dmg vs mechanical. Vs zerg normal mode hellions are obv much better than batllehellions cos of banelings.

Zerg gets millions of things deadly against terran, but they remove one good terran unit and give no units that would have any role vs zerg.
sicueft
Profile Joined June 2012
United States130 Posts
June 09 2012 05:46 GMT
#1283
This is just my own opinion but I think they're releasing too many units and abilities. You cannot have a game to be competitive whilst changing core aspects of it with each version. It makes it seem like the game has something seriously wrong with it and that Blizzard is trying to "fix" it. The dev team is trying too hard to appease both casual players and progamers because that's what they think is going to allow them to sell more but really, doing so will probably hurt the proscene and create a lackluster esports game while disillusioning dedicated players. Moreover, I think Blizzard is lacking creativity with starcraft II right now with HoTS because some of the new content are pretty lame. In my opinion, things like the viper, swarm host, hero unit thor, tempest, etc. don't lend themselves to be "fun to play" or use. I mean that's their excuse but really, they're really just trying to fix problems they hear about in the gaming community.
NoobCrunch
Profile Joined December 2011
79 Posts
June 09 2012 05:47 GMT
#1284
On June 09 2012 14:37 Fueled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 14:32 NoobCrunch wrote:
honestly swarm hosts look so lame
warhound model is pretty much bad as well

I can see the swarm host being pretty viable in some fights in TvZ, but I think it'll shine in PvZ.

Also, is its ability automatic or do you need press a hotkey to get those broodlings out?


Not saying that they aren't going to be good. I'm just saying that it's a really lame unit. Underground brood lords, riveting.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
June 09 2012 05:48 GMT
#1285
On June 09 2012 14:45 Sea_Food wrote:
If detection can see widow mines they are pretty useless vs p and in very early game.

They actually made mech unusable vs zerg now as the thor replacement for aa only does good ground dmg vs mechanical. Vs zerg normal mode hellions are obv much better than batllehellions cos of banelings.

Zerg gets millions of things deadly against terran, but they remove one good terran unit and give no units that would have any role vs zerg.


Well, spider mine is a staple ability in BW so I don't think widow mine will be useless with detection from observer. If the cost is low enough, then it make our flying destructible rock (read: factory) more useful.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
June 09 2012 05:49 GMT
#1286
On June 09 2012 14:45 Sea_Food wrote:
If detection can see widow mines they are pretty useless vs p and in very early game.

They actually made mech unusable vs zerg now as the thor replacement for aa only does good ground dmg vs mechanical. Vs zerg normal mode hellions are obv much better than batllehellions cos of banelings.

Zerg gets millions of things deadly against terran, but they remove one good terran unit and give no units that would have any role vs zerg.


The thor is still in the game...
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 09 2012 05:49 GMT
#1287
On June 09 2012 14:45 Sea_Food wrote:
If detection can see widow mines they are pretty useless vs p and in very early game.

They actually made mech unusable vs zerg now as the thor replacement for aa only does good ground dmg vs mechanical. Vs zerg normal mode hellions are obv much better than batllehellions cos of banelings.

Zerg gets millions of things deadly against terran, but they remove one good terran unit and give no units that would have any role vs zerg.

Actually, the normal Thor (not the "hero" version) is still in this build of HotS. It is seen in screenshots, and it appeared in the TvZ Battle Report that was aired on one of the MLG streams.
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Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 05:55:03
June 09 2012 05:51 GMT
#1288
Terran seems a bit weak so far, at least from what's shown; or maybe the other 2 races are just OP

Battle Helion is nice, but they're limited to melee range and does pretty horrible damage to anything but zealot/lings makes it even worst.

Warhound seems pretty lame as well; I honestly don't see the point of this unit if Thor is still in the game and if Battle Helion is meant to be the tanking unit. So they made a unit solely to somewhat counter seige tanks?

and widow mine looks really fun, but it's really going to be pretty bad in a practical sense at the pro level when every pro has so much time to move those units out.

On the other hand, Protoss gets their own planetary fortress with recall ability, 22 range Tempest, and Zerg gets the ridiculously Viper abilities
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
June 09 2012 05:51 GMT
#1289
GUys,,,, zerg looks incredibly OP in HOTS not gonna lie lol
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
June 09 2012 05:51 GMT
#1290
From watching the videos and just seeing how the units might work, it seems like Terran mech is losing it's identity. It just seems like the same style as bio but built out of different buildings.

Protoss and Zerg both look kind of good, though. Z especially seems like it will have many, many options mid and late game.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
June 09 2012 05:52 GMT
#1291
On June 09 2012 14:45 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 14:37 Fueled wrote:
On June 09 2012 14:32 NoobCrunch wrote:
honestly swarm hosts look so lame
warhound model is pretty much bad as well

I can see the swarm host being pretty viable in some fights in TvZ, but I think it'll shine in PvZ.

Also, is its ability automatic or do you need press a hotkey to get those broodlings out?


In the battle reports, its ability was autocastable.

And in PvZ, I think their effectiveness will depend entirely on how many colossi are on the field.

ah okay thank you for the info
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gulshngill
Profile Joined December 2010
Malaysia140 Posts
June 09 2012 06:00 GMT
#1292
please change the oracle, i think protoss are able to harass with no problem with the new warp prism buff, remove the entombed spell. Give us protoss something more to multi-task.
Less spell casting, more microable units please!
Even then ultra burrow charge, just make the ultras a little smaller and i think this problem the ultras have now will be gone.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 09 2012 06:03 GMT
#1293
Is there T battle report?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46669 Posts
June 09 2012 06:05 GMT
#1294
I hope there are cool new taunts, dances, and BM moves in HotS :D

Swarm Host sends out hearts instead of locusts, perhaps?
Viper sends out a whip that makes the whip-it sound ::wha-TCH!::
Using Oracle's entomb on every mineral patch in the game...
Using widow mines on your manner mules...

Ah the possibilities are endless! :D
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46669 Posts
June 09 2012 06:06 GMT
#1295
On June 09 2012 15:03 Wildmoon wrote:
Is there T battle report?


TvZ was shown during MLG a few hours ago. It was pretty cool

+ Show Spoiler +
T went mech.
+ Show Spoiler +
Z won.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
June 09 2012 06:09 GMT
#1296
I like the zerg changes, it'll definitely lead to a huge shift in play.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 09 2012 06:10 GMT
#1297
On June 09 2012 15:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 15:03 Wildmoon wrote:
Is there T battle report?


TvZ was shown during MLG a few hours ago. It was pretty cool

+ Show Spoiler +
T went mech.
+ Show Spoiler +
Z won.

It was not a Zerg victory. It was a David Kim victory
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 09 2012 06:10 GMT
#1298
On June 09 2012 15:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 15:03 Wildmoon wrote:
Is there T battle report?


TvZ was shown during MLG a few hours ago. It was pretty cool

+ Show Spoiler +
T went mech.
+ Show Spoiler +
Z won.


lol There is video I can watch?
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 09 2012 06:13 GMT
#1299
On June 09 2012 15:10 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 15:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 09 2012 15:03 Wildmoon wrote:
Is there T battle report?


TvZ was shown during MLG a few hours ago. It was pretty cool

+ Show Spoiler +
T went mech.
+ Show Spoiler +
Z won.


lol There is video I can watch?

I think it was shown on the MLG Red stream. You could just hop on that stream and rewind it to somewhere earlier in the day until you find the match.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
June 09 2012 06:25 GMT
#1300
Sooo many of these things seem like extreme changes. Change is fine, but... yeah a bit extreme. Anyways, like people say, I can't judge it until it comes out and some balance changes begin to be made.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
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