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On June 09 2012 05:05 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:
what the fuck monotony of TvT. Havent seen how the Warhound works vs siege tank but TvT is the best matchup in the game in a lot of ways, mostly the positional play and incentives to multitask it provides. are they gonna remove that to make it an A move challenge or what. and mrine tank is gonna be useless vs zerg ? weird ideas...
Exactly my first thought, if this missiles really gonny auto-focus mechanical units, it´s takes away so much skill...
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the oracles mineral harassment ability is too easy to use so why not divide the mana cost by 8 and make it so that you have to click on each mineral to "de mine" them.
tempest range must go down and my first bid is 12.
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WHERE CAN I FIND THE PVT BATTLEREPORT
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On June 09 2012 17:06 Samba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 05:05 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:
what the fuck monotony of TvT. Havent seen how the Warhound works vs siege tank but TvT is the best matchup in the game in a lot of ways, mostly the positional play and incentives to multitask it provides. are they gonna remove that to make it an A move challenge or what. and mrine tank is gonna be useless vs zerg ? weird ideas... Exactly my first thought, if this missiles really gonny auto-focus mechanical units, it´s takes away so much skill...
it also adds to the already long and still growing list of things that counter siege tanks. fucking hell blizzard might as well just take the unit out of the game
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On June 09 2012 17:08 ReadySetFire wrote:
WHERE CAN I FIND THE PVT BATTLEREPORT
Where can I find any Battlereports? I only saw the TvZ part..
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I guess I'm going against the flow when I thought that the terran units were really cool. Sure, they're not flashy spellcasters or super cute units or anything, but they will (or are at least intended to) add viability to completely different ways to play each match up.
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On June 09 2012 17:10 TheBrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 17:08 ReadySetFire wrote:
WHERE CAN I FIND THE PVT BATTLEREPORT Where can I find any Battlereports? I only saw the TvZ part..
You mean PvZ?
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Still early beta but:
I am kinda worried about MMM in TvP. The current idea of the match up is that Terrans got an advantage in the midgame so that they can get ahead and won't get crushed by Protoss in the lategame... With the mothership core defending will be much easier for protoss. It also makes Protoss easier to play as well cause you can retreat easily (which helps for sniping bases) while it becomes even harder to snipe a Protoss base... so I fear that Blizzard don't just add Mech as an option for TvP but rather force it instead of MMM...
(This might be fixed by buffed/cheaper ghosts and vikings I guess... it would also help the option to go for early ghosts or skyterran and general lategame.)
I wonder why they don't just give the Carrier that range... The Tempest feels kinda boring and they basically force the enemy to go for air units cause else the Tempests stands somewhere in the corner and shoots at the mineral line without any unit beeing able to reach it. That range seems more realistic on a Carrier to me and the enemy could atleast defend by shooting down the interceptors till they got airunits to respond to the Carriers.
After all I like that they seem to buff the Skyprotoss option with the new units and the Mothership core, add a new caster to Zerg, buff Ultralisks (which looks overpowered right now) and give them a new unit to harm a turtling player.
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is there a pvt vod? or just tvz and pvz?
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Is it just more or are the mines kinda useless if you can just seperate all the units with the mines on them, shame I really want them to bring back spider mines, but so far I dont see a use for these mines in high level play.
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On June 09 2012 17:04 ReketSomething wrote:
I played this today and you guys may think that terran has bad units etc but I don't agree.
Terran spider mines and warhounds are REALLY REALLY good against protoss. They destroy protoss so fast its ridiculous. Battle helions are actually tanky and useful in battles too and are actually useful in a battle. On the other hand, going mech completely limits anti-air (except spider mines) which is probably a play that protoss will have to do to survive.
On the other hand, zerg I felt got almost nothing. Everything zerg gets is really late game and has very little influence early. I feel that zerg is already on the "defend" and get eco advantage track and the fact that there are so many new units zerg has to defend against while having nothing extra to defend will be painful. Everything zerg gets is infestation pit and after.
Protoss I played with the least. I played mainly TvP today as I was playing with a GM protoss many games and I didn't feel like playing PvP (I main protoss). Protoss seems a lot more complicated now due to the many spells they have to constantly cast (mothership core has 3, chrono boost, new early game spellcaster). The tempest looks ridiculous but it may be one of those "im winning so i get" units and doesn't affect early game much.
After playing, I feel T is definitely OP after this, if not OP probably OP against protoss.
Wanted to quote this guy who actually played it today. Thanks for posting this.
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Does anyone know how much those "widow mines" things cost and how fast they build? Was is worth it to kill 2 queens with 2 mines?
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On June 09 2012 17:04 ReketSomething wrote:
Protoss seems a lot more complicated now due to the many spells they have to constantly cast (mothership core has 3, chrono boost, new early game spellcaster).
As a protoss player I definitely approve of this change - with protoss you have to rely on your deathball so very often without anything to do...ever. To me this was the most frustrating thing to macro your heart out and never have anything to do besides. Now it seems that with constant oracle-harass and mothership-spells you can finally outmultitask your opponent. Because the oracle will probably be not worth its money if you don't constantly use its abilities.
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On June 09 2012 17:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
did they show any Hots related stuff at mlg?
no. nothing at all. absolutely nothing.
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On June 09 2012 16:57 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 16:41 TheDraken wrote:On June 09 2012 16:39 zmansman17 wrote:
I'm really upset with HotS.
I worked so hard for 5 seasons to hit rank 1 master and I did it. And now, I'm fed up with Terran and all the patches, as well as what HotS has to "offer".
I'll be switching to Protoss and I truly wonder if there will be a lot of us Terrans who will even continue on in HotS with Terran. (We've already lost a lot throughout the last few seasons...) if we remove half the terrans from ladder i think everyone will be happy. when WOL came out it was just ridiculous. i find it funny that terrans suddenly feel a horrific dispair once blizzard finally balanced them to a 50% winrate. they were probably the same ones telling zerg to stfu and l2p when the game first came out and zerg had like a 43% winrate. I'm really surprised I'm seeing this posted on TL.
you cannot hide from the truth.
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On June 09 2012 17:22 ZenithM wrote:
Does anyone know how much those "widow mines" things cost and how fast they build? Was is worth it to kill 2 queens with 2 mines?
75min/25gas
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Just saw the Battle Report... and Entomb has to be the least exciting form of harassment conceivable.
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On June 09 2012 17:27 rift wrote:
Just saw the Battle Report... and Entomb has to be the least exciting form of harassment conceivable.
spore crawler harassment is pretty bad.
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What worries me about TvZ mech is anti-air. You will have to go thor heavy again...
The warhound really needs an air attack imo!
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On June 09 2012 17:27 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 17:22 ZenithM wrote:
Does anyone know how much those "widow mines" things cost and how fast they build? Was is worth it to kill 2 queens with 2 mines? 75min/25gas
Oh wow that's kinda good. They one shot swarm hosts later in the battle report. I'd say it's a good trade.
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