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On June 09 2012 08:31 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:28 Grubby wrote:Will there still be a reason to get Protoss units which cost more than 200 resources with the Viper out? Between Neural, Corruptors and Vipers' Abduct, I can't see what  Except that sick 22 range thing lol! I've kept insisting that, as a Zerg player, Infestors need to be nerfed seriously or removed with the introduction of the viper. It makes no sense to have both, it's absurdly overpowered. Fungal + Dark Swarm = everything dies.
I thought Dark Swarm affected only Bio. The combo that seemed scary to me was the grip+neural.
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On June 09 2012 08:30 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:26 Quotidian wrote:On June 09 2012 08:20 Solo Terran wrote:On June 09 2012 08:11 Heavenlee wrote:On June 09 2012 08:09 Solo Terran wrote:On June 09 2012 08:07 Heavenlee wrote:On June 09 2012 08:05 Solo Terran wrote:
So Terran is absolutely fucked. In TvZ our units will get fungled then blinded then hit with free locusts and then raped by charging ultras. Also Ravens will instantly get abducted.
Protoss has so many ridiculous abilities in HoTS... Early mass recall, 22 range units that will destroy vikings, oracles to stop our mining and make armies invisible. The spider mines seem retardedly easy to avoid, even if you don't have detection they won't do jack shit. They will attach to enemies and then they just shift click them out of their army and keep going.
But hey we get a hellion with 40 more HP and a smaller thor with no air attack............
omg every race but mine has overpowered stuff. What? Look at the list of shit Protoss and Zerg is getting and then look at the 2 things Terran is getting and tell me that Terran didn't get shafted in HoTS. They didn't get shafted. It opened up the possibility of mech in the matchup, which also makes many other parts of the terran arsenal relevant in a way they weren't in WoL. Ravens may have their place, battlecruisers will definitely have a place, if turtling to a deathball a ton of the upgrades from the engineering bay will have their place. So no, terran wasn't shafted, because terran already had a ton of stuff they weren't using in WoL because they weren't good in the metagame, but should work nicely in HotS. Mech is not viable versus Protoss in SC2 period. As long as blink stalkers and warp prisms are in the game slow ass tank, battle hellion and warhound armies are going to suck just as bad as mech was in WoL. Ravens have always sucked due to the really small range of HSM and now they will just get abducted/ sniped by Tempests. yeah, tvp mech doesn't look that much better in HOTS than it does in WOL. Even funky styles that were good only some of the time, like mass air, is getting a serious nerf with these changes because of the emphasis on the stargate. MMM+support is still going to be the name of the game, but not that support might also include battle hellions if the protoss makes a lot of chargelots. I really dislike how well the early mass recall will synergize with any kind of proxy warp-in tactics now. There's basically no counter attack risk involved with not making your army back home. That's bullshit, imo, but I'm also deeply disappointed that they're not completely removing the warpgate mechanic, so whatever I guess... How does Mech -not- look better in HOTS than it did in WOL? Warhounds look pretty darn fast and definitely shits all over Mech-based units (Which are stalkers). Zealots die easily to regular Hellions, Vikings/Turrets stop Warp Prisms, and Willow Mines can hit Air units. I'm seriously not seeing the thought process behind this.
Jugding the Video they're as fast as unsieged tanks which would NOT be fast . 2.25 would not be a fast unit period.
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On June 09 2012 07:48 Splynn wrote:
I think I'm in the vast minority on this... but with the new queen look (I didn't like the way the old queen look), I'm really hoping they tweak the roach a little bit, too. To me it just looks too round and with no real features, I really don't like the way roaches look in general. The new queen is awesome, though. Just wish that the roach could look less like a beachball with spikes.
New queen looks pretty good I think. And I definitely think roach design could use an overhaul. I was just enjoying the unit mix in that battle report and thinking how much better hydra look aesthetically as the core unit rather than the roach. Beachball with spikes it is. But hydra/ Viper army looked pretty cool. Not sure about the swarmlord lord though. Kind of an indistinct blob that runs around the map.
Yeah, staying active with that unit is just can be so valuable. I mean, every time you are able to land the shields onto those minerals- that’s guaranteed harassment. It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re fast on the reaction. It’s still a small amount of mining time they won’t be able to access.
Rob Simpson from the battle report. Although an interesting idea, this is precisely why I think the oracle harass is not very good similar to FF's. I'm sure it will get balanced. But it will never be the unit interaction like BW storms, reaver shots that were big hits or misses depending on who was faster. Or good map awareness with DTs that didn't trigger an alarm when attacking workers.
But this will always be did I get close enough with out being sniped? If yes, then freeze minerals for x amount of time (x amount being tweaked for balance). If no, then no damage. But it requires very little interaction between units/ players reaction time. Sure taking down minerals requires a reaction, but it's not the same as:
Did I get close enough without my shuttle getting sniped? If yes, then quickly unload high templar, unleash 1-2 storms before the opposing player races all his workers away for little to no damage. If the opposing player doesn't react fast enough, the entire line of workers get's wiped out. But it's all about who is faster, not just on entry, but also on the attack execution.
"that’s guaranteed harassment. It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re fast on the reaction."
I don't particularly like this idea for a harassment unit.
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On June 09 2012 08:30 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:26 Quotidian wrote:On June 09 2012 08:20 Solo Terran wrote:On June 09 2012 08:11 Heavenlee wrote:On June 09 2012 08:09 Solo Terran wrote:On June 09 2012 08:07 Heavenlee wrote:On June 09 2012 08:05 Solo Terran wrote:
So Terran is absolutely fucked. In TvZ our units will get fungled then blinded then hit with free locusts and then raped by charging ultras. Also Ravens will instantly get abducted.
Protoss has so many ridiculous abilities in HoTS... Early mass recall, 22 range units that will destroy vikings, oracles to stop our mining and make armies invisible. The spider mines seem retardedly easy to avoid, even if you don't have detection they won't do jack shit. They will attach to enemies and then they just shift click them out of their army and keep going.
But hey we get a hellion with 40 more HP and a smaller thor with no air attack............
omg every race but mine has overpowered stuff. What? Look at the list of shit Protoss and Zerg is getting and then look at the 2 things Terran is getting and tell me that Terran didn't get shafted in HoTS. They didn't get shafted. It opened up the possibility of mech in the matchup, which also makes many other parts of the terran arsenal relevant in a way they weren't in WoL. Ravens may have their place, battlecruisers will definitely have a place, if turtling to a deathball a ton of the upgrades from the engineering bay will have their place. So no, terran wasn't shafted, because terran already had a ton of stuff they weren't using in WoL because they weren't good in the metagame, but should work nicely in HotS. Mech is not viable versus Protoss in SC2 period. As long as blink stalkers and warp prisms are in the game slow ass tank, battle hellion and warhound armies are going to suck just as bad as mech was in WoL. Ravens have always sucked due to the really small range of HSM and now they will just get abducted/ sniped by Tempests. yeah, tvp mech doesn't look that much better in HOTS than it does in WOL. Even funky styles that were good only some of the time, like mass air, is getting a serious nerf with these changes because of the emphasis on the stargate. MMM+support is still going to be the name of the game, but not that support might also include battle hellions if the protoss makes a lot of chargelots. I really dislike how well the early mass recall will synergize with any kind of proxy warp-in tactics now. There's basically no counter attack risk involved with not making your army back home. That's bullshit, imo, but I'm also deeply disappointed that they're not completely removing the warpgate mechanic, so whatever I guess... How does Mech -not- look better in HOTS than it did in WOL? Warhounds look pretty darn fast and definitely shits all over Mech-based units (Which are stalkers). Zealots die easily to regular Hellions, Vikings/Turrets stop Warp Prisms, and Willow Mines can hit Air units. I'm seriously not seeing the thought process behind this.
in general, I'm not seeing the thought process in evaluating a game that people haven't even played yet. We have seen very very little of HotS. To say something will or won't work is incredible premature.
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Best update of the whole lot to me is the mothership core, rewards players who manage use of their energy well and beefs up the defenders bonus in PvP.
Also, are we now going to see sudden requirements to micro around your units when a couple of them pick up widow mines, so that only the ones actually attached to the thing take any damage? If so, that's a really cool change too.
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On June 09 2012 08:31 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:28 Grubby wrote:Will there still be a reason to get Protoss units which cost more than 200 resources with the Viper out? Between Neural, Corruptors and Vipers' Abduct, I can't see what Except that sick 22 range thing lol! I've kept insisting that, as a Zerg player, Infestors need to be nerfed seriously or removed with the introduction of the viper. It makes no sense to have both, it's absurdly overpowered. Fungal + Dark Swarm = everything dies.
blinding cloud only works on biological so that spell is useless against toss. Against terran that would be a good combo no doubt. biggest issue being not having enough other units to actually damage the army.
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On June 09 2012 06:58 -Kaiser- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 06:56 MVega wrote:Never really understood the random Blizzard hate. I mean we're playing a game made by them, excited about players from another game by them coming over to the game we're playing now, watching beta videos of another game made by them, and we're going to be playing that too. If they're "Retarded" as a couple people have said, what does that make all of us for watching the beta videos and such? On June 09 2012 06:42 L0thar wrote:
HOTS = Heart of Terran Suffering.
Protoss and Zerg are getting lots of interesting and potentially powerful stuff while Terran some boring halfassed units. No wonder they choosed PvZ as the battlereport, there is little to no point showing the crap Terran is going to get.
I hoped I would start playing SC2 again after the WoL dissapointment, but it seems like they are intent to make the game even worse experience, at least for Terran players. Seems like I'm keeping my money then... So based on an early build before the beta actually starts you're already planning on not buying the game? I play Terran too and tbh I was pretty excited about what I saw for us. I was pretty excited by what I saw for P and Z as well. It's actually looking good. People are complaining about Terran not getting very much new cool stuff. What they have to realize is that the reason they aren't getting major reworks because they're already a pretty complete race in WoL. Zerg is incomplete and Protoss needs a remake.
Adding a unit that "harasses" by clicking on minerals and runs away, another retarded AOE unit (tempest) and recall on Nexus is NOT a remake, it just adds on to the retarded mechanics of Protoss. FF and warpgate wasnt enough...
Terran is only "complete" after they fix the problems of our higher tech (like half the units being hard countered by feedback). Zerg imo is the only truly well-made race atm, perhaps with a slight nerf to Blords and Infestors.
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On June 09 2012 08:33 NDDseer wrote:
Best update of the whole lot to me is the mothership core, rewards players who manage use of their energy well and beefs up the defenders bonus in PvP.
Also, are we now going to see sudden requirements to micro around your units when a couple of them pick up widow mines, so that only the ones actually attached to the thing take any damage? If so, that's a really cool change too.
I actually love that it only goes on a 3 minute cd but I suspect it will be hated the moment I move out on map with 15 stalkers and blink into main and snipe the lair.
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I really dislike the abduct ability. Zerg already has the advantage of being able to swarm and mass units comparatively to the other two races, and now the Viper will be able to remove the few ranged units that controlled that? The zerg in the battle report didn't even use the Viper nearly well enough, and watching it wreck through all the protoss tier 3 just made me shake my head. I have no idea how tanks will remain viable vs Vipers (which should be able to pull tanks out of range of thors, I anticipate viper/muta being pretty good)
This saddens me moreso because I absolutely love the other changes to zerg, especially the swarm host. That unit just seems really really cool. It forces APM for your opponent, provides a huge range on its effectiveness based on the zerg players APM, and allows viable multi pronged attacks with zerg, which was frankly quite difficult before. The hydra speed boost seems really good, and was much needed.
Ultra charge looks kinda silly.
The Oracle seems too fast, if it slowed down I really don't think there'd be any problems with it.
The Tempest also seems cool, the 22 range is almost comedic to watch, but the uber-slow attack speed still makes it a one or two of unit, without appearing remotely gamebreaking.
I really like the new mothership abilities, and I imagine the availability of early game recall will fix A LOT of problems in PvP (specifically that having your army out on the map in the early game doesn't automatically mean basetrades if you're attacked).
While I'm sure the terran changes have practical use, I really don't get any of them. The mines seem useless at higher levels (and abusable in the low levels), the Tempest should deal with tanks exceptionally easily (which in my estimation makes mech TvP still kinda useless), and bio appears unusable against zerg now. I don't get the battlehellion, but I think we'll see a lot more stargate play vs terran, which I found always makes for entertaining games.
tl;dr Protoss and Zerg changes look neat. Terran changes don't appear to do much, though I'm sure over time we'll see how viable they are.
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On June 09 2012 08:33 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:30 HeroMystic wrote:On June 09 2012 08:26 Quotidian wrote:On June 09 2012 08:20 Solo Terran wrote:On June 09 2012 08:11 Heavenlee wrote:On June 09 2012 08:09 Solo Terran wrote:On June 09 2012 08:07 Heavenlee wrote:On June 09 2012 08:05 Solo Terran wrote:
So Terran is absolutely fucked. In TvZ our units will get fungled then blinded then hit with free locusts and then raped by charging ultras. Also Ravens will instantly get abducted.
Protoss has so many ridiculous abilities in HoTS... Early mass recall, 22 range units that will destroy vikings, oracles to stop our mining and make armies invisible. The spider mines seem retardedly easy to avoid, even if you don't have detection they won't do jack shit. They will attach to enemies and then they just shift click them out of their army and keep going.
But hey we get a hellion with 40 more HP and a smaller thor with no air attack............
omg every race but mine has overpowered stuff. What? Look at the list of shit Protoss and Zerg is getting and then look at the 2 things Terran is getting and tell me that Terran didn't get shafted in HoTS. They didn't get shafted. It opened up the possibility of mech in the matchup, which also makes many other parts of the terran arsenal relevant in a way they weren't in WoL. Ravens may have their place, battlecruisers will definitely have a place, if turtling to a deathball a ton of the upgrades from the engineering bay will have their place. So no, terran wasn't shafted, because terran already had a ton of stuff they weren't using in WoL because they weren't good in the metagame, but should work nicely in HotS. Mech is not viable versus Protoss in SC2 period. As long as blink stalkers and warp prisms are in the game slow ass tank, battle hellion and warhound armies are going to suck just as bad as mech was in WoL. Ravens have always sucked due to the really small range of HSM and now they will just get abducted/ sniped by Tempests. yeah, tvp mech doesn't look that much better in HOTS than it does in WOL. Even funky styles that were good only some of the time, like mass air, is getting a serious nerf with these changes because of the emphasis on the stargate. MMM+support is still going to be the name of the game, but not that support might also include battle hellions if the protoss makes a lot of chargelots. I really dislike how well the early mass recall will synergize with any kind of proxy warp-in tactics now. There's basically no counter attack risk involved with not making your army back home. That's bullshit, imo, but I'm also deeply disappointed that they're not completely removing the warpgate mechanic, so whatever I guess... How does Mech -not- look better in HOTS than it did in WOL? Warhounds look pretty darn fast and definitely shits all over Mech-based units (Which are stalkers). Zealots die easily to regular Hellions, Vikings/Turrets stop Warp Prisms, and Willow Mines can hit Air units. I'm seriously not seeing the thought process behind this. in general, I'm not seeing the thought process in evaluating a game that people haven't even played yet. We have seen very very little of HotS. To say something will or won't work is incredible premature.
You have a point there, so I guess I'll stop engaging in that conversation.
Can't wait for the Beta, to say the least.
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On June 09 2012 08:33 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 07:48 Splynn wrote:
I think I'm in the vast minority on this... but with the new queen look (I didn't like the way the old queen look), I'm really hoping they tweak the roach a little bit, too. To me it just looks too round and with no real features, I really don't like the way roaches look in general. The new queen is awesome, though. Just wish that the roach could look less like a beachball with spikes.
New queen looks pretty good I think. And I definitely think roach design could use an overhaul. I was just enjoying the unit mix in that battle report and thinking how much better hydra look aesthetically as the core unit rather than the roach. Beachball with spikes it is. But hydra, swarmlord, defiler thingy looked pretty cool. Show nested quote +Yeah, staying active with that unit is just can be so valuable. I mean, every time you are able to land the shields onto those minerals- that’s guaranteed harassment. It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re fast on the reaction. It’s still a small amount of mining time they won’t be able to access. Rob Simpson from the battle report. Although an interesting idea, this is precisely why I think the oracle harass is not very good similar to FF's. I'm sure it will get balanced. But it will never be the unit interaction like BW storms, reaver shots that were big hits or misses depending on who was faster. Or good map awareness with DTs that didn't trigger an alarm when atttacking workers. But this will always be did I get close enough with out being sniped? If yes, then freeze minerals for x amount of time (x amount being tweaked for balance). If no, then no damage. But it requires very little interaction between units/ players reaction time. Sure taking down minerals requires a reaction, but it's not the same as: Did I get close enough without my shuttle getting sniped? If yes, then quickly unload high templar, unleash 1-2 storms before the opposing player races all his workers away for little to no damage. If the opposing player doesn't react, the entire line of workers get's wiped out. But it's all about who is faster, not just on entry, but also on the attack execution. "that’s guaranteed harassment. It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re fast on the reaction." I don't particularly like this idea for a harassment unit.
I agree, but this also isn't as effective as normal harassment, without killing the workers you're not preventing the snowball nature of economic development, you're merely removing income temporarily, I don't think it will be a replacement for effective late game harassment.
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Seems to me like the Tempest only hits single targets and has no splash.
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On June 09 2012 08:31 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 07:57 MentalGNT wrote:On June 09 2012 07:51 Topin wrote:On June 09 2012 07:50 larse wrote:
Warhound is still very awful looking. It looks like something from a si-fi Soviet Union. Really bad. Change it or mech will not be awesome even though they are not powerful now. it looks like a scv with steroids :S but in the worst way possible Agreed. It looks horrible. I simply cannot build something as ugly as the warhound. If it's released like this i'll probably end up sticking the Goliath model on them instead. Warhound is so ugly. Common Blizzard, you can do better. I really dislike the whole battle hellions+warhound mix. It is very 1Aish. Not to mention it doesn't seem very fun to play with as a result of lacking micro. At least with Tank Vulture you had to leap your tanks and constantly maneuver your vultures and lay mines. I am very excited for ZvP, but I feel that with HOTS Blizzard has really killed the Tank + Show Spoiler +Tempest, Pull abilities, Cloud that blocks ranged attacks, MechaMaruaders. Not to mention all the regular WOL crap people could do to kill tanks. . Tanks have essentially become the Scout of SC2.
Swarm Hosts are damn ugly too. I'd assume they're still working on the models (hopefully)
If I'm not mistaken, blinding cloud only works on bio. And I doubt it makes sense for zerg to get enough vipers to abduct a serious number of tanks. They are gas heavy and can't fight.
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On June 09 2012 08:33 NDDseer wrote:
Best update of the whole lot to me is the mothership core, rewards players who manage use of their energy well and beefs up the defenders bonus in PvP.
Also, are we now going to see sudden requirements to micro around your units when a couple of them pick up widow mines, so that only the ones actually attached to the thing take any damage? If so, that's a really cool change too. The recall ability is retarded and will be taken out since it cannot be balanced. Wait until 150 energy-> warp in proxy units-> do damage and then when the enemy comes to defend you just recall out.
Blink into main-> do damage -> recall back into base. Blizzard wtf are you thinking.
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On June 09 2012 08:35 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 06:58 -Kaiser- wrote:On June 09 2012 06:56 MVega wrote:Never really understood the random Blizzard hate. I mean we're playing a game made by them, excited about players from another game by them coming over to the game we're playing now, watching beta videos of another game made by them, and we're going to be playing that too. If they're "Retarded" as a couple people have said, what does that make all of us for watching the beta videos and such? On June 09 2012 06:42 L0thar wrote:
HOTS = Heart of Terran Suffering.
Protoss and Zerg are getting lots of interesting and potentially powerful stuff while Terran some boring halfassed units. No wonder they choosed PvZ as the battlereport, there is little to no point showing the crap Terran is going to get.
I hoped I would start playing SC2 again after the WoL dissapointment, but it seems like they are intent to make the game even worse experience, at least for Terran players. Seems like I'm keeping my money then... So based on an early build before the beta actually starts you're already planning on not buying the game? I play Terran too and tbh I was pretty excited about what I saw for us. I was pretty excited by what I saw for P and Z as well. It's actually looking good. People are complaining about Terran not getting very much new cool stuff. What they have to realize is that the reason they aren't getting major reworks because they're already a pretty complete race in WoL. Zerg is incomplete and Protoss needs a remake. Adding a unit that "harasses" by clicking on minerals and runs away, another retarded AOE unit (tempest) and recall on Nexus is NOT a remake, it just adds on to the retarded mechanics of Protoss. FF and warpgate wasnt enough... Terran is only "complete" after they fix the problems of our higher tech (like half the units being hard countered by feedback). Zerg imo is the only truly well-made race atm, perhaps with a slight nerf to Blords and Infestors.
Tempest doesn't have AOE.
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ANOTHER anti-tank unit! YEAH!
Just give widow mines to hellions and give hellions their speed upgrade back.
And please don't make battle hellions walk.
Where are the IMBA units? Battle hellions should have melted those zealots in 2 hits, it took 4-5.
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On June 09 2012 08:28 Dingobloo wrote:
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The other thing to note about the reapers: removing the building attack makes them much more likely to reduce the build time, currently one of the problems is that with the building attack is that if they reduced the build time too much people would just 5 rax reaper and run into bases 1 shotting command centers/nexuses before you could kill all of the reapers even if you were reasonably prepared.
If that happens, they will just tweak it again. Also they can just change the dps it does as well, not like blizzard hasn't change dps of various things before (infestor, tank, etc). Too early for me to say more not knowing how much build time reduction would come, really. YMMV. Personally I actually rather like the building attack, it made reaper stood out a little more, but the old should make way for the new.
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If they made reaper speed back to only rax>techlab tech it would be useful again, but not OP since they'd be easily denied with static D
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On June 09 2012 08:38 Dingobloo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:33 Falling wrote:On June 09 2012 07:48 Splynn wrote:
I think I'm in the vast minority on this... but with the new queen look (I didn't like the way the old queen look), I'm really hoping they tweak the roach a little bit, too. To me it just looks too round and with no real features, I really don't like the way roaches look in general. The new queen is awesome, though. Just wish that the roach could look less like a beachball with spikes.
New queen looks pretty good I think. And I definitely think roach design could use an overhaul. I was just enjoying the unit mix in that battle report and thinking how much better hydra look aesthetically as the core unit rather than the roach. Beachball with spikes it is. But hydra, swarmlord, defiler thingy looked pretty cool. Yeah, staying active with that unit is just can be so valuable. I mean, every time you are able to land the shields onto those minerals- that’s guaranteed harassment. It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re fast on the reaction. It’s still a small amount of mining time they won’t be able to access. Rob Simpson from the battle report. Although an interesting idea, this is precisely why I think the oracle harass is not very good similar to FF's. I'm sure it will get balanced. But it will never be the unit interaction like BW storms, reaver shots that were big hits or misses depending on who was faster. Or good map awareness with DTs that didn't trigger an alarm when atttacking workers. But this will always be did I get close enough with out being sniped? If yes, then freeze minerals for x amount of time (x amount being tweaked for balance). If no, then no damage. But it requires very little interaction between units/ players reaction time. Sure taking down minerals requires a reaction, but it's not the same as: Did I get close enough without my shuttle getting sniped? If yes, then quickly unload high templar, unleash 1-2 storms before the opposing player races all his workers away for little to no damage. If the opposing player doesn't react, the entire line of workers get's wiped out. But it's all about who is faster, not just on entry, but also on the attack execution. "that’s guaranteed harassment. It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re fast on the reaction." I don't particularly like this idea for a harassment unit. I agree, but this also isn't as effective as normal harassment, without killing the workers you're not preventing the snowball nature of economic development, you're merely removing income temporarily, I don't think it will be a replacement for effective late game harassment.
The problem is it essentially a macro mechanic. For both players and spectators it is about as exciting and difficult as injecting larva. Whenever I have 75 energy I try to entomb. That may be a new kind of harass, but it certainly isn't interesting.
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On June 09 2012 08:40 Solo Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:33 NDDseer wrote:
Best update of the whole lot to me is the mothership core, rewards players who manage use of their energy well and beefs up the defenders bonus in PvP.
Also, are we now going to see sudden requirements to micro around your units when a couple of them pick up widow mines, so that only the ones actually attached to the thing take any damage? If so, that's a really cool change too. The recall ability is retarded and will be taken out since it cannot be balanced. Wait until 150 energy-> warp in proxy units-> do damage and then when the enemy comes to defend you just recall out. Blink into main-> do damage -> recall back into base. Blizzard wtf are you thinking.
Why would you not just blink out? Seems like a waste, the energy regeneration on the mothership core is not particularly fast.
Retreating is a necessary part of harassment, it's why medivacs are so good because you can have a ton of them without hurting your army's combat effectiveness, the same was not true of the warp prism, if you have more than 1 warp prism in your army you're not adding anything.
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