EPTOn June 07 2012 05:13 ZeroClick wrote:
Man, it's an "uncertainty" proof or it's an "innocence" proof?
Man, it's an "uncertainty" proof or it's an "innocence" proof?
Was wondering that too....
[?] Spades hacking? - Page 251
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
Was wondering that too.... | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On June 07 2012 05:10 EtherealDeath wrote: Here you go, on the second click on my first try to find the general area of the point I hit it. http://drop.sc/192626 0:15 areaHaneul Right click; target: x=117.9,y=71.3 0:16 areaHaneul Right click; target: x=117.9,y=73.1 Well done ^^ | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:13 ZeroClick wrote: Man, it's an "uncertainty" proof or it's an "innocence" proof? Innocent till proven otherwise, muahahahahahah. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:13 ZeroClick wrote: Man, it's an "uncertainty" proof or it's an "innocence" proof? uncertainty proof. The other moves are just too fishy. | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:15 StarStrider wrote: So what I'm gathering is that, while at first this method seemed to allow us to determine if he clicked with minimap, now it is being shown to be inconclusive? There may still be a way, it's just not as simple as linear distance between x and y coordinates, since the distance seems to vary by grid line for some reason. Possibly map terrain related? | ||
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Morgoth
United States42 Posts
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:13 ZeroClick wrote: Man, it's an "uncertainty" proof or it's an "innocence" proof? It's certainly not proof of innocence because although using the mini-map can achieve these results, so can clicking on the full map as alledged | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:15 StarStrider wrote: So what I'm gathering is that, while at first this method seemed to allow us to determine if he clicked with minimap, now it is being shown to be inconclusive? No. I think it means that that particular click location was possible via the mini-map and not incriminating. I think the principle still stands that Spades may have made a click that is impossible via the mini-map. The trick is finding such an incriminating click. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:10 EtherealDeath wrote: Here you go, on the second click on my first try to find the general area of the point I hit it. http://drop.sc/192626 0:15 areaHaneul Right click; target: x=117.9,y=71.3 0:16 areaHaneul Right click; target: x=117.9,y=73.1 More people need to see this please. | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:18 Morgoth wrote: wow guys.....just ease up a bit. People play differently it doesnt mean they are hackers. I think you are all seeing what you want to see even you pros. There is defintely not 1 concrete example of hacking anywhere. I see a lot of speculation and criticism of his play, that doesnt mean hes hacking. Saying no one would ever do that is just stupid people play different people are different. This isn't playing differently ; this is playinng like a hacker | ||
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recallsm
14 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:13 ZeroClick wrote: Man, it's an "uncertainty" proof or it's an "innocence" proof? As of this moment, this method is unable to prove for sure that Spades used a camera lock. One way to do it would be to know his screen resolution first. Next, on that resolution, we need to conduct a 1 pixel minimap click test to get the smallest variance possible. Following that, all the suspected replays must be looked through in search for any series of clicks with location differences smaller than that of the control figure. After which we go to that timeline in the replay to see where his screen is looking at when the series of clicks were made. Sounds like a lot shit to sift through. | ||
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:18 revel8 wrote: No. I think it means that that particular click location was possible via the mini-map and not incriminating. I think the principle still stands that Spades may have made a click that is impossible via the mini-map. The trick is finding such an incriminating click. I'm lost - what did he do that is impossible via the mini-map, again? | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:09 Tewks44 wrote: It appears so. Maybe we're not actually a bunch of bloodthirsty Spades haters on a witch hunt like his supporters are claiming after all They are probably all in school right now  Interesting stuff you guys are doing though. | ||
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
He clicked 2 times very closely one to another in the fog of war. Until THAT is reproductible in the minimap, the method is correct. | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:20 toiletCAT wrote: I'm lost - what did he do that is impossible via the mini-map, again? The idea was that some of his clicks made "via minimap" or "during camera lock" were too close together to have been made by clicking on the minimap. As if he were actually clicking on the terrain. It has been debunked so far, but there might be another way to analyze it. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:21 Bellygareth wrote: The method is still correct if you take into account the multiple clics as the original finder of the method did. I'm going to quote him : "Actually, if you look at the replay, you see two clicks that are .3 apart in the x direction. This should be impossible on the minimap." He clicked 2 times very closely one to another in the fog of war. Until THAT is reproductible in the minimap, the method is correct. Other people have already tested and achieved similar results in their tests. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:19 recallsm wrote: As of this moment, this method is unable to prove for sure that Spades used a camera lock. One way to do it would be to know his screen resolution first. Next, on that resolution, we need to conduct a 1 pixel minimap click test to get the smallest variance possible. Following that, all the suspected replays must be looked through in search for any series of clicks with location differences smaller than that of the control figure. After which we go to that timeline in the replay to see where his screen is looking at when the series of clicks were made. Sounds like a lot shit to sift through. Can his screen resolution be extrapolated from viewing his FPPOV from his stream? Is there any way to know what monitor or resolution he was playing on during these tourney games? I wish we could answer these questions. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:20 toiletCAT wrote: I'm lost - what did he do that is impossible via the mini-map, again? I even showed that I can click down to 0.3 distance granularity on the minimap on Daybreak in Specific, and achieved 0.2 on Antiga... Even better granularity might be possible with try harder or different system specs. | ||
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recallsm
14 Posts
On June 07 2012 05:21 Bellygareth wrote: The method is still correct if you take into account the multiple clics as the original finder of the method did. I'm going to quote him : "Actually, if you look at the replay, you see two clicks that are .3 apart in the x direction. This should be impossible on the minimap." He clicked 2 times very closely one to another in the fog of war. Until THAT is reproductible in the minimap, the method is correct. I'm pretty sure someone a couple of posts above did a 0.3 difference via clicking on the minimap on daybreak. | ||
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No idea whats going on here lol. Are these people coming to the conclusion that some of the anti spades evidence is flawed?
