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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.08:47 KST - Summary:Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) |
On June 05 2012 21:31 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 21:25 darthfoley wrote:On June 05 2012 21:18 Felnarion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:15 darthfoley wrote:On June 05 2012 21:10 ggrrg wrote:
This whole thread is disgusting... First we have an anonymus OP that is biased as hell while being quite inaccurate about tons of accusations. Then there was the ridiculous witchhunt with catz and co, which had far more in common with the inquisition than it had with a fair investigation and discussion. In addition, there are tons of posters that jump the "he hacked" bandwagon while quite certainly having seen any of the replays - best case scenario they've seen catz' witchhunt.
For what it matters, I took the time to watch the Antiga and the Taldarim games. In game 1 there is basically nothing fishy at all and there is a simple explanation for all the vague accusations of the OP. I watched the Taldarim game since there was supposedly the most "evidence". Well, I was utterly disappointed. There was barely anything strange. Especially, the 32:50 drop, which was allegedly proof of hacking, is clearly seen by spades with his scan around 32:30. The only suspicious thing in that game was the hellion escape around 16:30, but this is barely enough evidence of hacking.
I don't care much about spades anyway and I've never seen him play. I have no idea if he hacks, but the evidence presented here is plain shitty and this thread is just terrible and probably should have been closed a long time ago... He saw 2 units with a scan (basically) on TDA at 32:20. Why would he wait 30 seconds before sending units over there? He doesn't react UNTIL the drop is just about to commence in his main. Call that lucky timing, but lucifron could've easily dropped right after 32:20, yet somehow 30 seconds later spades still "knows it's coming" I don't think that's proof. Yes, the scan is random, and lucky. But Lucifron had dropped that spot two or three times prior. While I probably wouldn't do it, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me, when an army is outside your third, to scan it quickly to see if he's trying to distract you. I understand your point, i just find it really weird to feel the "game sense" 30 seconds after you spot a possible drop. If he truly believe a drop was imminent at 32:20, why didn't he unseige a few tanks/hellions around that time? Eh The thing is: Bad decisions don't make him guilty. Don't get me wrong, given his scan and map movement behavior, I'm 100% certain he hacks, that's not the question. But you can't convict him based on bad game decisions. Does he make weird movements sometimes, yes, but I guarantee if you watch any replays of similar players, you'd see similar things. The definitive proof, which Catz showed off last night, was how his camera behaves in a legit game vs a map hack game. In the legit games, he doesn't have those weird screen lock moments where he's supposedly doing everything on the minimap. He looks into the fog to see things, he scouts better, he looks at what he scouts, he moves the camera to the scan point then scans, instead of scanning at the top left of the screen for no reason.
I agree with you, the camera behaviours were quite strange. Oh well, hope this gets cleard up soon.
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On June 05 2012 20:09 Benjamin99 wrote:
Also another strange thing in the entire serie vs Lucifron not once do he click in the fog of war but on his normal replays he do that like 10 times in each game. Explain it? You cant
Catz.Drewbie,Ilusion,TT1 went over so much stuff yesteday that i was amased by the shit that happend.
And if you look at his past then it really are a no brainer. He cheated and he did that to make a name form himself by beating one of the best players in the foreign scene today.
I hope he burns and it really bothers me people are still defending him dont you understand how dangerious this is? This little shit has basically destroyed any online competive play
5'40 on game 5 ( TDA ) he clicks and has his camera go into the fog of war near the xel'naga tower, and there's nothing of interest here. I haven't even looked further or in the other replays..
I watched games 1 to 5 from Spades's point of view so far, and the only suspicious thing I noticed was how he placed his tanks on the cliff on game 2 ( Entombed Valley ) with 30s of delay. The suspicious thing is not that he moved his tanks, as he got a warning before ( marines incoming on the right side ). The suspicious thing is that 30s delay. But that's abolustely no proof for me, he may as well have been busy/distracted by something else.
Every single other point made by the OP in games 1 to 5, I found them wrong/unconclusive.
What baffles me the most is that game 3 on Shakuras. Here we see Spades use scans many times, get his army out of position in the center and get owned, get dropped and suffer damage multiple times, and the list goes on. There are only two possible conclusions for me:
- either he does not map hack, and this game actually looks pretty normal;
- either he does map hack, but chooses to ignore his informations to make it look like he does NOT map hacks.
So let me get it straight: for minimal gains ( his opponent's build and tech choices ) he chooses to ignore potential game-ender threats ( like those drops, or losing that many marines by moving in the center of the map, or wasting scans for faking that he doesn't have hacks ).
I'm having a hard time to swallow that.
As for the original claims, well I'm not gonna refute them all, it's not my job, but here are a couple examples:
* Game 3 at 3'55 when he moves his 4 scvs before he spots the marine: to me it looks like he sends those 4 scvs to kill the scv that's disturbing the construction of his expansion, and since that one is 99% done, it also serves as a worker transfer. The fact that a marine pops out at this exact same time seems to be a coincidence.
* Game 3 at 20:05 when he moves his marines before LucifroN attacks: LucifroN scans 2 times in the center of the map just before his attack. Spades sees this and reacts by moving his army in the center of the map. It's a natural reaction to think that Lucifron would attack at this place after scanning there.
* Game 1 at 10:45 when he sends 2 marines to the xel'naga tower: OP finds this strange, but you can easily see that Spades's selecting those 2 marines and clicks on the minimap. Actually if you look in game, you can see the marker on the ground just above the tower and its location is typical of an unprecise click on the minimap. In general, many other points that look suspicious are explainable if you think that Spades's uses the minimap a lot more often than the average player. Ex. the scout on Metalopolis..
* Game 4 on Metalopolis and how he strangely moves versus the helions drop: this one is funny. LucifroN hesitates to drop with marines a couple seconds before, but at this time Spades's army does not react. If he does not react, it must mean that he knows that the medivac is not loaded right ? Which means that Spades's camera must be on top of it to know that information. According to the OP, if the camera goes outside the fog of war, there should be a camera block at this exact moment on the CC, right ? Eh.. but nevermind, as I proved earlier, there's at least one time where his camera goes into the fog of war ( TDA game ), so I guess that doesn't prove.. anything ?
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On June 05 2012 21:37 Dubag wrote:
Of course the ID of the OP matters.
It's ridiculous to say otherwise. I'm surprised TL hasn't released the name yet. I can only hope they are trying to build an actual newsworthy post relating hacking to esports.
If I had played MKP in a BO7 and went through them, game by game, second by second I'm sure I could find various instances where he used his 'game-sense', took a risk and caught my plans out.
If I was to cry hack over that, the TL forums would laugh at me.
If I was DRG in the same situation and cried foul - it would be looked at under a much more powerful microscope.
It may even be fanboys against fanboys. People will have their opinions one way or the other. Some won't be swayed, some can see the evidence, some will wait for further proof.
Why this thread is not closed is beyond me.
An account with 1 post, claiming a semi-pro/pro player is a hacker is a big deal in the esports scene. Sure, it's only live tournaments, can't be that bad right? They will never win a GSL if they rely on map hacks. What about when they have online qualifiers for tourneys? and a hacker knocks out a legitimately better player and then gets crushed in the lan events? Not only is he pretending he has a chance, maybe to scrape some meager winnings from competing but he is also crippling a stronger player from making a living off the sport.
Nothing is going to be solved in this thread. It's just paint flinging. Close the thread, talk to the esports community, talk to the pro gamers and coaches and commentators and people behind the scenes. Right or wrong, there is no point throwing Spades under the bus just to say "we did good for esports".
But you didn't analyze MKP games for similar game sense.
And it's not just about the game sense, showing you haven't been reading the thread. It's about the camera movements. The sick game sense is just a pointer for when to look at his camera movements. And everytime he has his "nerd sense" activate? His camera locks in a random, weird spot for no reason, for many seconds. This doesn't happen on the ladder games. Explain. Does he go into ultra macro mode in tournaments where he uses his camera...less?
EDIT: Guys, it's been said over and over, on the topic of locking the camera. There's two types: One locks the camera over the fog of war, and one is an activatable hotkey that can be turned on and off at any time. Personally, I think he's using both, but it may be that he's just using the hotkey by habit when he needs to move over the fog. Or, alternatively, maybe there are times when something is on the edge of the fog and he needs vision that he simply turns it off completely. The lock I mean.
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I'm not going to voice my opinion on whether Spades hacked or not. Another big question has been how should hackers be punished? How severe etc.
Major League Baseball has already created the template for performance enhancement. Hacking/stream cheating should be handled by the hosting organization just like MLB. The major problem in my opinion is these organizations have to assign employees to judge and appropriately punish. Can employees accurately distinguish this or is a pro player required?
For ex. If its reported that player A was hacking in an IPL online qualifier and replays are provided the assigned IPL employees must go over the replays and decide if the player was without a doubt hacking. IMO, if found guilty that player should be banned from competing in that league for half a year which would be similar to a MLB player being banned for 50 games for steroids. If I'm not mistaken SlayersCoca received a similar punishment for his action. Obviously all of these decisions would have to be decided on by each organization but I think following MLB's Steroid policy is a good starting guideline.
Sorry if all of these points are bunched together but I'm at work and felt this is important to discuss. It would be nice to hear opinions on this from different leagues and even people such as Scoots and Boss.
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On June 05 2012 21:30 Jinsho wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 21:27 Pantythief wrote:On June 05 2012 21:25 Jinsho wrote:
No. The OPs identity DOES NOT MATTER at all. Why would it? It would give him more credibility? Are you all nuts? Look at the damn evidence and decide for yourself! It doesn't matter who brings it up!
You can already see that even the pro-players who actually looked at this have divided opinions. Why would it matter if the guy is Lucifron himself, a guy affiliated with Lucifron, a completely random guy, maybe Spades' girlfriend who is angry that he's cheating on her? How the fuck does that change the credibility of the ACTUAL ALLEGATIONS? There is no evidence, only claims that says "that's weird, I wouldn't do that, he must be hacking" -- that's your best guess, right there. The replays are the evidence. Understanding what it means is the thing that is actually difficult so people don't want to do it. They are lazy and stupid and want catz or Illusion or whoever else to do it for them so they know who to point their pitchforks at, Spades or the OP (who DARES to be anonymous, ugh, how dare he avoid our wrath???? he must be suspicious????)
There's 0 evidence in those replays. I get accused all the time for hacking myself, because I do fishy shit. Trust me, I do and have seen things that are more "suspicious" than what Spades does.
Also, if the original poster was 100% sure in his claims, he wouldn't go anonymous.
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It doesn't really clear up who the OP is, but...
I'm pretty sure he got the replays from Lucifron, though I would like someone more knowledgeable about the SC2Replay format to verify this.
As far as I can tell, each person listed in the replay has a boolean "recorder" value, which indicates from whom the replay originates. SC2Gears doesn't actually provide this value (though it lists the recorder's time-zone), but it's readily extractable from the replay file.
Here's a python script using sc2reader to show who was in the game, and whether they were the recorder of the replay:
import sys, pprint
from sc2reader import load_replay
def main():
replay = load_replay(sys.argv[1])
for p in replay.person:
print(replay.person[p].name + " " + str(replay.person[p].recorder))
main()
This prints the following for the Antiga shipyard game:
Spades False
LucifroN True
ãñÃñÃéMKR False
ãñÃñÃéSavage False
GrocK False
Ounedson False
Martijn False
Showing that the replay was recorded by Lucifron.
(Some of the names are slightly mangled, because they contain odd characters: ƤǤǂ)
(Originally posted here, but it probably belongs in this thread too: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=342492¤tpage=2#22 )
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On June 05 2012 21:50 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 21:30 Jinsho wrote:On June 05 2012 21:27 Pantythief wrote:On June 05 2012 21:25 Jinsho wrote:
No. The OPs identity DOES NOT MATTER at all. Why would it? It would give him more credibility? Are you all nuts? Look at the damn evidence and decide for yourself! It doesn't matter who brings it up!
You can already see that even the pro-players who actually looked at this have divided opinions. Why would it matter if the guy is Lucifron himself, a guy affiliated with Lucifron, a completely random guy, maybe Spades' girlfriend who is angry that he's cheating on her? How the fuck does that change the credibility of the ACTUAL ALLEGATIONS? There is no evidence, only claims that says "that's weird, I wouldn't do that, he must be hacking" -- that's your best guess, right there. The replays are the evidence. Understanding what it means is the thing that is actually difficult so people don't want to do it. They are lazy and stupid and want catz or Illusion or whoever else to do it for them so they know who to point their pitchforks at, Spades or the OP (who DARES to be anonymous, ugh, how dare he avoid our wrath???? he must be suspicious????) There's 0 evidence in those replays. I get accused all the time for hacking myself, because I do fishy shit. Trust me, I do and have seen things that are more "suspicious" than what Spades does. Also, if the original poster was 100% sure in his claims, he wouldn't go anonymous.
More suspicious than A-moving your army, off screen, in a TvT, toward an army that may or may not even be there while your camera watches your rally point that currently contains a couple marines and a marauder?
Are you aware of how terrible that is? How a movement like that can instantly lose the game? Who does that in a TvT?
But that's besides the point: what do you say to how completely different his camera movement is between ladder and tournament games? What do you say to how his screen locks on weird places for literally 10-15 seconds sometimes, almost always when Lucifron is moving an army or making something important (Cloaked banshee)
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On June 05 2012 21:37 Dubag wrote:
Of course the ID of the OP matters.
It's ridiculous to say otherwise. I'm surprised TL hasn't released the name yet. I can only hope they are trying to build an actual newsworthy post relating hacking to esports.
If I had played MKP in a BO7 and went through them, game by game, second by second I'm sure I could find various instances where he used his 'game-sense', took a risk and caught my plans out.
If I was to cry hack over that, the TL forums would laugh at me.
If I was DRG in the same situation and cried foul - it would be looked at under a much more powerful microscope.
It may even be fanboys against fanboys. People will have their opinions one way or the other. Some won't be swayed, some can see the evidence, some will wait for further proof.
Why this thread is not closed is beyond me.
An account with 1 post, claiming a semi-pro/pro player is a hacker is a big deal in the esports scene. Sure, it's only live tournaments, can't be that bad right? They will never win a GSL if they rely on map hacks. What about when they have online qualifiers for tourneys? and a hacker knocks out a legitimately better player and then gets crushed in the lan events? Not only is he pretending he has a chance, maybe to scrape some meager winnings from competing but he is also crippling a stronger player from making a living off the sport.
Nothing is going to be solved in this thread. It's just paint flinging. Close the thread, talk to the esports community, talk to the pro gamers and coaches and commentators and people behind the scenes. Right or wrong, there is no point throwing Spades under the bus just to say "we did good for esports".
But this isnt like that. This isnt playing MKP in a BO7 who has no accused record of cheating. This is a confirmed and known BW maphacker.
How many players do you know who NEVER look in the fog of war? 0
How many players do you know that can move their army without having it selected? 0
There is more evidence in the replays provided in the OP and throughout the thread, plus Spades has a history of hacking in BW and taking a long time to admit to it. These contributing factors add up to make people who have been in the scene for a while suspicious.
giX post is also kind of unnerving and the fact he went from mid-masters after taking a break to #1 GM with win % on par with terrans like select and demuslism is just a joke. Hes clearly no where NEAR those players in skill.
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did Spades reply yet to this thread ?
i don't have the time to scroll 145 pages through here :D
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On June 05 2012 21:58 NexCa wrote:
did Spades reply yet to this thread ?
i don't have the time to scroll 145 pages through here :D
neither do you have time to read the OP, apparenty
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On June 05 2012 21:58 NexCa wrote:
did Spades reply yet to this thread ?
i don't have the time to scroll 145 pages through here :D
Click the link at the top of the page in the thread, shows posts by all pros. Or you could do a search....
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Good thing Catz isn't a part of the US justice system. Last nights stream was the most biased thing I have ever seen. They ignored every single bonehead move and nit picked every possible little thing. Never mind the fact that he got picked apart by like 20 drops.. instead they pick up on the one drop on Tal Darim and start pointing fingers with a mob mentality
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On June 05 2012 21:50 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 21:30 Jinsho wrote:On June 05 2012 21:27 Pantythief wrote:On June 05 2012 21:25 Jinsho wrote:
No. The OPs identity DOES NOT MATTER at all. Why would it? It would give him more credibility? Are you all nuts? Look at the damn evidence and decide for yourself! It doesn't matter who brings it up!
You can already see that even the pro-players who actually looked at this have divided opinions. Why would it matter if the guy is Lucifron himself, a guy affiliated with Lucifron, a completely random guy, maybe Spades' girlfriend who is angry that he's cheating on her? How the fuck does that change the credibility of the ACTUAL ALLEGATIONS? There is no evidence, only claims that says "that's weird, I wouldn't do that, he must be hacking" -- that's your best guess, right there. The replays are the evidence. Understanding what it means is the thing that is actually difficult so people don't want to do it. They are lazy and stupid and want catz or Illusion or whoever else to do it for them so they know who to point their pitchforks at, Spades or the OP (who DARES to be anonymous, ugh, how dare he avoid our wrath???? he must be suspicious????) There's 0 evidence in those replays. I get accused all the time for hacking myself, because I do fishy shit. Trust me, I do and have seen things that are more "suspicious" than what Spades does. Also, if the original poster was 100% sure in his claims, he wouldn't go anonymous.
That's because you're not a pro-gamer? Sorry, what you do in your games have no relevance to GM play.
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On June 05 2012 21:59 shivver wrote:
Good thing Catz isn't a part of the US justice system. Last nights stream was the most biased thing I have ever seen. They ignored every single bonehead move and nit picked every possible little thing. Never mind the fact that he got picked apart by like 20 drops.. instead they pick up on the one drop on Tal Darim and start pointing fingers with a mob mentality
It only seemed biased because it was their 3rd viewing. They had already formulated conclusions from watching and rewatching the replays.
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On June 05 2012 21:58 NexCa wrote:
did Spades reply yet to this thread ?
i don't have the time to scroll 145 pages through here :D
Look at the top of the page, there is a teamliquid message.
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On June 05 2012 21:54 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 21:50 Pantythief wrote:On June 05 2012 21:30 Jinsho wrote:On June 05 2012 21:27 Pantythief wrote:On June 05 2012 21:25 Jinsho wrote:
No. The OPs identity DOES NOT MATTER at all. Why would it? It would give him more credibility? Are you all nuts? Look at the damn evidence and decide for yourself! It doesn't matter who brings it up!
You can already see that even the pro-players who actually looked at this have divided opinions. Why would it matter if the guy is Lucifron himself, a guy affiliated with Lucifron, a completely random guy, maybe Spades' girlfriend who is angry that he's cheating on her? How the fuck does that change the credibility of the ACTUAL ALLEGATIONS? There is no evidence, only claims that says "that's weird, I wouldn't do that, he must be hacking" -- that's your best guess, right there. The replays are the evidence. Understanding what it means is the thing that is actually difficult so people don't want to do it. They are lazy and stupid and want catz or Illusion or whoever else to do it for them so they know who to point their pitchforks at, Spades or the OP (who DARES to be anonymous, ugh, how dare he avoid our wrath???? he must be suspicious????) There's 0 evidence in those replays. I get accused all the time for hacking myself, because I do fishy shit. Trust me, I do and have seen things that are more "suspicious" than what Spades does. Also, if the original poster was 100% sure in his claims, he wouldn't go anonymous. More suspicious than A-moving your army, off screen, in a TvT, toward an army that may or may not even be there while your camera watches your rally point that currently contains a couple marines and a marauder? Are you aware of how terrible that is? How a movement like that can instantly lose the game? Who does that in a TvT? But that's besides the point: what do you say to how completely different his camera movement is between ladder and tournament games? What do you say to how his screen locks on weird places for literally 10-15 seconds sometimes, almost always when Lucifron is moving an army or making something important (Cloaked banshee)
Where do these random numbers come from? Please tell me when exactly in which replay the camera locks in a weird place for 10-15 seconds. (Except for the beginning of the game)
I don't know if Spades is hacking or not but the amount of random made up "evidence" that's thrown around here is disgusting. If you make a claim like that, back it up with the replay and the exact time please.
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* Game 4 on Metalopolis and how he strangely moves versus the helions drop: this one is funny. LucifroN hesitates to drop with marines a couple seconds before, but at this time Spades's army does not react. If he does not react, it must mean that he knows that the medivac is not loaded right ? Which means that Spades's camera must be on top of it to know that information. According to the OP, if the camera goes outside the fog of war, there should be a camera block at this exact moment on the CC, right ? Eh.. but nevermind, as I proved earlier, there's at least one time where his camera goes into the fog of war ( TDA game ), so I guess that doesn't prove.. anything ?
Yeah, but the original poster doesn't know shit about hacking. The hack does not initiate camera block once the player camera goes outside the fog of war. The camera block is a function that the player must issue, in which he cannot issue other commands while doing so. I.e., you hold middle-mouse button to move around your camera but the camera will be blocked, so that you can look outside fog of war, without getting caught. This hack is so stupidly advanced that even if he did hack, there's no way anyone would fucking know, because the hack completely eliminates evidence.
Evulguy (admin on d3scene) found me a complete list of the hacks functions -- just looking at this list tells me that there's no way you can tell if he's hacking, absolutely not in a million years.
+ Show Spoiler +Warden Protection
Configurable Hotkeys
5-State Maphack
-> Modes are off, lite, shared, dark and full
-> Show units on mainmap and minimap
-> Show invisible and burrowed units
-> Show hallucinated units
-> Show Zerg creep
-> Show load bars (Dropships etc)
-> Show force field duration bars
-> Show health bars under fog of war
-> Health bars shown under fog of war are white
-> Enable sounds under fog of war
-> Enable selections under fog of war (client-sided)
-> View what your enemy is training/researching or the contents of selected
-> Graphical bugs fixed
Camera Lock
Show Player Selections
Show Player Clicks
Show Enemy Camera
Enable Observer Panel
-> Set to Production tab when game starts
-> Filter out local player
-> Filter out allied players
-> Filter out unwanted units and researches
-> Apply filtering for units and researches after X game seconds
-> Allow clicks through Production and Units tabs
-> Configurable transparency for Units and Production tabs
Enable Color Icon With Race
Enable 1v1 Resource Info
Watch Player Camera
Graviton Beam Hack
Auto-Start
-> Auto-Mine minerals
-> Auto-Create 1 worker
-> Auto-Rally main building to local mineral patch
-> Auto-Group main building.
Auto-Larva
-> Auto-Group queens
Auto-Worker Train
Auto-Mule
Auto-Chrono Boost
Auto-Stalker Blink
Auto-Roach Burrow
-> Auto-Roach unburrow
Auto-Queen Transfusion
Auto-Group Buildings
Award Achievements
Tac Nuke Strike Alert
Nydus Worm Alert
Unit Alert
Dropship Alert
Supply Alert
Camera Zoom Out
Instant Win Against A.I.
Inb4 "omg ur a hacker!!" -- go make a thread about it. + Show Spoiler +no, I don't hack, lol. But I'm surprised that nobody else has found this yet, or taken it into consideration.
Furthermore, my friend and I took the privilege to actually load up the hack ourselves on a starter edition of the game. The hack actually has its own auto-hack detection built in, so we could tell all the time if Spades' vision should be blocked by the hack itself -- guess what, it was completely synced with the actual player camera throughout all replays. Basically what it does is, it shows the player cameras detected by both players by StarCraft 2, and the player cameras detected by both players by the hack.
Conclusion: there's no way you'll ever know if the guy is hacking.
Unless: + Show Spoiler +the hack has an auto-inject, auto-build and auto-chronoboost function, we figured that if these actions should be issued without the player taking action, then units are behaving on their own and it's a dead giveaway.
That's because you're not a pro-gamer? Sorry, what you do in your games have no relevance to GM play.
I was GM last season, now I'm top 8 master. This concerns me, professional player or not, I don't think this issue should cater to professional players only.
PS: if I was Spades, I wouldn't waste a second on this thread, and to be completely honest with you TL, ur fucking witch hunts are getting on my nerves. It's spring break, take some time off, calm the fuck down and have some fun.
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On June 05 2012 21:52 netherh wrote:It doesn't really clear up who the OP is, but... I'm pretty sure he got the replays from Lucifron, though I would like someone more knowledgeable about the SC2Replay format to verify this. As far as I can tell, each person listed in the replay has a boolean "recorder" value, which indicates from whom the replay originates. SC2Gears doesn't actually provide this value (though it lists the recorder's time-zone), but it's readily extractable from the replay file. Here's a python script using sc2reader to show who was in the game, and whether they were the recorder of the replay:
import sys, pprint
from sc2reader import load_replay
def main():
replay = load_replay(sys.argv[1])
for p in replay.person:
print(replay.person[p].name + " " + str(replay.person[p].recorder))
main()
This prints the following for the Antiga shipyard game:
Spades False
LucifroN True
ãñÃñÃéMKR False
ãñÃñÃéSavage False
GrocK False
Ounedson False
Martijn False
Showing that the replay was recorded by Lucifron. (Some of the names are slightly mangled, because they contain odd characters: ƤǤǂ) (Originally posted here, but it probably belongs in this thread too: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=342492¤tpage=2#22 )
Aww man, that sure is interesting...
If Luci was the one who owns the reply... could that be his smurf TL account?
Damn, or did he just pass it on. mhm, thank you for the contribution.
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