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Creegz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 19:37:41
June 13 2012 19:37 GMT
#121
I don't mean a full catch all build, just a simple opener that's versatile that gives you some sort of flexibility. That is the key to dealing with anything unpredictable, find some point where you can be flexible, scouting a bit early will give you the same information he will receive from doing the same to you. All you need to really do is identify he's random, and just expect more than "standard" openers or cheese from the opponent. That alone should give you adequate time to get to at least mid game. He's random, he doesn't just flat out get the upper hand. Knowing the opponents race right away isn't a HUGE deal. All you need to do is figure out what works for you to handle the VERY early game from everything, and then scout earlier to transition appropriately into something more comfortable.
Who is this guy? ^
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
June 13 2012 19:41 GMT
#122
You can FFE vs Terran, have you seen FXOz's build in the GSL vs Forgg set 2? Neat build. Protoss... I don't know. When I random I just announce my race but obviously the opponent doesn't have to believe me.
zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
June 13 2012 22:41 GMT
#123
On June 14 2012 04:37 Creegz wrote:
I don't mean a full catch all build, just a simple opener that's versatile that gives you some sort of flexibility. That is the key to dealing with anything unpredictable, find some point where you can be flexible, scouting a bit early will give you the same information he will receive from doing the same to you. All you need to really do is identify he's random, and just expect more than "standard" openers or cheese from the opponent. That alone should give you adequate time to get to at least mid game. He's random, he doesn't just flat out get the upper hand. Knowing the opponents race right away isn't a HUGE deal. All you need to do is figure out what works for you to handle the VERY early game from everything, and then scout earlier to transition appropriately into something more comfortable.


You keep talking in generalities but the issue is, the moment I put my first pylon down, I've committed to a build. There's no way to scout what race my opponent is by that point. I drop the pylon near the top of my ramp so I can wall in if need be, but this puts me at a disadvantage is every thing but PvZ since my builds can be easily sniped and get in the way.

Anything that isn't FFE or Nexus first is an auto loss if you play a zerg who goes 3 hatch no gas unless you cheese or one base all in. You're just too far behind. There's a reason why every pro ever goes FFE.
zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
June 13 2012 22:43 GMT
#124
On June 14 2012 04:41 Ktk wrote:
You can FFE vs Terran, have you seen FXOz's build in the GSL vs Forgg set 2? Neat build. Protoss... I don't know. When I random I just announce my race but obviously the opponent doesn't have to believe me.


I hate that build. It's one of those things that worked a few times because people weren't used to it, but it's actually pretty dumb.

Oz does crazy shit all the time, the dude will go Nexus first in PvP. He's not somebody I'd ever try to copy a build from.
zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 03:19:49
June 14 2012 03:19 GMT
#125
Just got 6 pooled in back to back games.

Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot.

There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 04:24:35
June 14 2012 04:23 GMT
#126
I've noticed people on ladder have become increasingly BM. Dunno if it's just me, but if not, these guys are making SC2 look bad. And LoL as an opponent, this isn't good for SC2's future. Blizzard should be more active in banning sad kids.
hoivenmayven
Profile Joined April 2011
United States134 Posts
June 14 2012 04:42 GMT
#127
On June 14 2012 13:23 darkness wrote:
I've noticed people on ladder have become increasingly BM. Dunno if it's just me, but if not, these guys are making SC2 look bad. And LoL as an opponent, this isn't good for SC2's future. Blizzard should be more active in banning sad kids.


I was getting annoyed by this too and it's easier to just say ghlf and then hit f11 to block chats from your opponent. It takes away most of the irritation. Sadly not really an SC2-specific thing though. Got plenty of BM in BW, Wc3 and espeically HoN and LoL is not that much nicer. Just an internet thing.
Creegz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
June 14 2012 05:56 GMT
#128
On June 14 2012 13:42 hoivenmayven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 13:23 darkness wrote:
I've noticed people on ladder have become increasingly BM. Dunno if it's just me, but if not, these guys are making SC2 look bad. And LoL as an opponent, this isn't good for SC2's future. Blizzard should be more active in banning sad kids.


I was getting annoyed by this too and it's easier to just say ghlf and then hit f11 to block chats from your opponent. It takes away most of the irritation. Sadly not really an SC2-specific thing though. Got plenty of BM in BW, Wc3 and espeically HoN and LoL is not that much nicer. Just an internet thing.


yeah it really is just an internet thing. All online games are BM. Starcraft is definitely one of the least shitty communities for sure though. It's all stemmed from the anonymous nature of the interweb. Just gotta relax and remember, they were probably abused as children, or were neglected. In any event, it means nothing coming from a faceless person.
Who is this guy? ^
MightyChum
Profile Joined June 2012
England4 Posts
June 14 2012 09:32 GMT
#129
At about 1000 wins on League of Legends and about 200 ranked games I can firmly say that SC2s community is far in advance of LoLs when it comes to manners. I've had a few angry people but that's to be expected, ever game of LoL unless you're in your 5v5 premade team, suffers from one guy being really mad and explaining why his failure is everyone elses fault.

I'd have to strongly disagree that ladder seems rude after coming from that.
Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweatty things.
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
June 14 2012 12:25 GMT
#130
Do you guys thing there is need for another league between masters and GM? Has this ever been brought up? I think the skill between a newly promoted masters and a top master player is far to big.
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
June 14 2012 12:41 GMT
#131
On June 14 2012 21:25 Fus wrote:
Do you guys thing there is need for another league between masters and GM? Has this ever been brought up? I think the skill between a newly promoted masters and a top master player is far to big.

Maybe if GM is expanded to include most of the top master players? I don't think another league needs to be introduced....
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rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 15:46:47
June 14 2012 12:50 GMT
#132
On June 14 2012 12:19 zEnVy wrote:
Just got 6 pooled in back to back games.

Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot.

There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder.


One of the fastest legitimate ways to obtain portraits.

On June 14 2012 21:25 Fus wrote:
Do you guys thing there is need for another league between masters and GM? Has this ever been brought up? I think the skill between a newly promoted masters and a top master player is far to big.


Nope. The skill difference is big because masters is essentially the ceiling, going much beyond what most other leagues would cut off MMR at for a promotion. If you create a new league, it'd simply happen in that one instead. The skill level of masters (and subsequently all leagues) would plummet, being that masters players would be promoted out leaving space for more, less skilled diamonds to take their place.

It'll probably take a few years but eventually the other leagues will catch up to masters and the skill differences will shrink.
Blumkincakes
Profile Joined June 2012
United States3 Posts
June 14 2012 17:03 GMT
#133
Hey, I'm a gold protoss living in New York this summer upper east 86th working on westend ave 66th. I go to the Sorbonne in Paris and I wanna practice with someone. If anyone wants to get together at a cyber cafe and play email me at nick.iprogram@gmail.com.
You're crusty
XxVeZZxX
Profile Joined March 2012
United States12 Posts
June 14 2012 20:41 GMT
#134
I am playing Sc2 on a 1600 by 1050 moniter but i am having a problem with zoom in game. Every time I start a match everything is zoomed in even the ui and I cant see as much as anyone else. It is a huge hinderance concidering I see attacks 1 second to late. I tried lowing my resolution to 720 and it fixed the zoom but instead it was blurry. Is there a resolution that i could set that would fix my problems?
Balls Deep
Grubbegrabbn
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden174 Posts
June 14 2012 22:19 GMT
#135
Matchmaking is a mystery.

Got matched vs a bronze dude with a career total of 45 wins. Im in silver with a career total of 1174 wins (not all 1v1 ofc).

My upponent lost 7 out of 10 games lately while I had 7 wins 3 losses. This must mean that his mmr was declining while mine was on the way up.

Needless to say I think he had a snowball's chance in hell to win that game. And yes, he melted in 30 seconds from my little roach push @11 minutes.

What are your thoughts on matchmaking lately? My feeling is that its not as good as it used to be, there are a little too many of these games where you win easy peasy OR get roflstomped by a perfect timing push from a dude macroing like a boss. Frankly, Im getting a little upset and might even consider playing D3 for a while until that infamous expansion is released...

Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 00:48:42
June 15 2012 00:47 GMT
#136
Short question that doesn't deserve it's own thread: Why am I matched up against favored people like 50% of the time now, and I don't mean slightly favored which is basically the other 50%?

Don't get me wrong I'm loving it, getting my ass handed to me but the better the opponent the faster I'll improve.
low-mid masters EU zerg if it matters at all.

On June 15 2012 07:19 Grubbegrabbn wrote:
Matchmaking is a mystery.

Got matched vs a bronze dude with a career total of 45 wins. Im in silver with a career total of 1174 wins (not all 1v1 ofc).

My upponent lost 7 out of 10 games lately while I had 7 wins 3 losses. This must mean that his mmr was declining while mine was on the way up.

Needless to say I think he had a snowball's chance in hell to win that game. And yes, he melted in 30 seconds from my little roach push @11 minutes.

What are your thoughts on matchmaking lately? My feeling is that its not as good as it used to be, there are a little too many of these games where you win easy peasy OR get roflstomped by a perfect timing push from a dude macroing like a boss. Frankly, Im getting a little upset and might even consider playing D3 for a while until that infamous expansion is released...



I think it's fine anywhere but the extremes.
bronze/low silver or high master/grandmaster. For me working my way up from gold to master matchmaking seems to keep up brilliantly, one of the redeeming qualities of bnet 2.0
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
onionchowder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States137 Posts
June 15 2012 02:43 GMT
#137
Q: At some point, I saw a T-shirt design (or maybe it was just a graphic) showing a power table with a Terran 2rax "all-in"-ing against a Zerg with two hatcheries. What happened to this? Is there somewhere I can buy a T-shirt with this design?
Eric Guan is a sexy beast
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
June 15 2012 02:54 GMT
#138
On June 14 2012 12:19 zEnVy wrote:
Just got 6 pooled in back to back games.

Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot.

There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder.



6pool got beat by blind 15cc on low ground in a pro vs pro game, you must be glad you got the free wins.

You did win, right?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 12:24:55
June 15 2012 12:21 GMT
#139
I've got 2 questions.

1. Why does Seed prefer 1 gate expand vs Z on Cloud Kingdom? E.g. TSL4 KR's qualifiers yesterday.

2. Why was sentry's damage nerfed in the past? Shouldn't this change be reverted now?

Patch 11 (version 0.13.0.15250) 
*The damage has been decreased from 8 to 6
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
June 15 2012 14:53 GMT
#140
On June 14 2012 12:19 zEnVy wrote:
Just got 6 pooled in back to back games.

Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot.

There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder.


But 6 pool is so ez to hold -_-. All you have to do is wall and scout.
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