EPT[June] SC2 General Discussion - Page 7
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
On June 14 2012 04:37 Creegz wrote: I don't mean a full catch all build, just a simple opener that's versatile that gives you some sort of flexibility. That is the key to dealing with anything unpredictable, find some point where you can be flexible, scouting a bit early will give you the same information he will receive from doing the same to you. All you need to really do is identify he's random, and just expect more than "standard" openers or cheese from the opponent. That alone should give you adequate time to get to at least mid game. He's random, he doesn't just flat out get the upper hand. Knowing the opponents race right away isn't a HUGE deal. All you need to do is figure out what works for you to handle the VERY early game from everything, and then scout earlier to transition appropriately into something more comfortable. You keep talking in generalities but the issue is, the moment I put my first pylon down, I've committed to a build. There's no way to scout what race my opponent is by that point. I drop the pylon near the top of my ramp so I can wall in if need be, but this puts me at a disadvantage is every thing but PvZ since my builds can be easily sniped and get in the way. Anything that isn't FFE or Nexus first is an auto loss if you play a zerg who goes 3 hatch no gas unless you cheese or one base all in. You're just too far behind. There's a reason why every pro ever goes FFE. | ||
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
On June 14 2012 04:41 Ktk wrote: You can FFE vs Terran, have you seen FXOz's build in the GSL vs Forgg set 2? Neat build. Protoss... I don't know. When I random I just announce my race but obviously the opponent doesn't have to believe me. I hate that build. It's one of those things that worked a few times because people weren't used to it, but it's actually pretty dumb. Oz does crazy shit all the time, the dude will go Nexus first in PvP. He's not somebody I'd ever try to copy a build from. | ||
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot. There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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hoivenmayven
United States134 Posts
On June 14 2012 13:23 darkness wrote: I've noticed people on ladder have become increasingly BM. Dunno if it's just me, but if not, these guys are making SC2 look bad. And LoL as an opponent, this isn't good for SC2's future. Blizzard should be more active in banning sad kids. I was getting annoyed by this too and it's easier to just say ghlf and then hit f11 to block chats from your opponent. It takes away most of the irritation. Sadly not really an SC2-specific thing though. Got plenty of BM in BW, Wc3 and espeically HoN and LoL is not that much nicer. Just an internet thing. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
On June 14 2012 13:42 hoivenmayven wrote: I was getting annoyed by this too and it's easier to just say ghlf and then hit f11 to block chats from your opponent. It takes away most of the irritation. Sadly not really an SC2-specific thing though. Got plenty of BM in BW, Wc3 and espeically HoN and LoL is not that much nicer. Just an internet thing. yeah it really is just an internet thing. All online games are BM. Starcraft is definitely one of the least shitty communities for sure though. It's all stemmed from the anonymous nature of the interweb. Just gotta relax and remember, they were probably abused as children, or were neglected. In any event, it means nothing coming from a faceless person. | ||
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MightyChum
England4 Posts
I'd have to strongly disagree that ladder seems rude after coming from that. | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
On June 14 2012 21:25 Fus wrote: Do you guys thing there is need for another league between masters and GM? Has this ever been brought up? I think the skill between a newly promoted masters and a top master player is far to big. Maybe if GM is expanded to include most of the top master players? I don't think another league needs to be introduced.... | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On June 14 2012 12:19 zEnVy wrote: Just got 6 pooled in back to back games. Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot. There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder. One of the fastest legitimate ways to obtain portraits. On June 14 2012 21:25 Fus wrote: Do you guys thing there is need for another league between masters and GM? Has this ever been brought up? I think the skill between a newly promoted masters and a top master player is far to big. Nope. The skill difference is big because masters is essentially the ceiling, going much beyond what most other leagues would cut off MMR at for a promotion. If you create a new league, it'd simply happen in that one instead. The skill level of masters (and subsequently all leagues) would plummet, being that masters players would be promoted out leaving space for more, less skilled diamonds to take their place. It'll probably take a few years but eventually the other leagues will catch up to masters and the skill differences will shrink. | ||
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Blumkincakes
United States3 Posts
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XxVeZZxX
United States12 Posts
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Grubbegrabbn
Sweden174 Posts
Got matched vs a bronze dude with a career total of 45 wins. Im in silver with a career total of 1174 wins (not all 1v1 ofc). My upponent lost 7 out of 10 games lately while I had 7 wins 3 losses. This must mean that his mmr was declining while mine was on the way up. Needless to say I think he had a snowball's chance in hell to win that game. And yes, he melted in 30 seconds from my little roach push @11 minutes. What are your thoughts on matchmaking lately? My feeling is that its not as good as it used to be, there are a little too many of these games where you win easy peasy OR get roflstomped by a perfect timing push from a dude macroing like a boss. Frankly, Im getting a little upset and might even consider playing D3 for a while until that infamous expansion is released... | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Don't get me wrong I'm loving it, getting my ass handed to me but the better the opponent the faster I'll improve. low-mid masters EU zerg if it matters at all. On June 15 2012 07:19 Grubbegrabbn wrote: Matchmaking is a mystery. Got matched vs a bronze dude with a career total of 45 wins. Im in silver with a career total of 1174 wins (not all 1v1 ofc). My upponent lost 7 out of 10 games lately while I had 7 wins 3 losses. This must mean that his mmr was declining while mine was on the way up. Needless to say I think he had a snowball's chance in hell to win that game. And yes, he melted in 30 seconds from my little roach push @11 minutes. What are your thoughts on matchmaking lately? My feeling is that its not as good as it used to be, there are a little too many of these games where you win easy peasy OR get roflstomped by a perfect timing push from a dude macroing like a boss. Frankly, Im getting a little upset and might even consider playing D3 for a while until that infamous expansion is released... I think it's fine anywhere but the extremes. bronze/low silver or high master/grandmaster. For me working my way up from gold to master matchmaking seems to keep up brilliantly, one of the redeeming qualities of bnet 2.0 | ||
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onionchowder
United States137 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20338 Posts
On June 14 2012 12:19 zEnVy wrote: Just got 6 pooled in back to back games. Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot. There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder. 6pool got beat by blind 15cc on low ground in a pro vs pro game, you must be glad you got the free wins. You did win, right? | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
1. Why does Seed prefer 1 gate expand vs Z on Cloud Kingdom? E.g. TSL4 KR's qualifiers yesterday. 2. Why was sentry's damage nerfed in the past? Shouldn't this change be reverted now? Patch 11 (version 0.13.0.15250) | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On June 14 2012 12:19 zEnVy wrote: Just got 6 pooled in back to back games. Seriously about to break shit. People who 6 pool in diamond should be shot. There is literally no point in 6 pooling people on ladder. But 6 pool is so ez to hold -_-. All you have to do is wall and scout. | ||
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