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On June 21 2012 05:31 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:09 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 04:47 VanGooL wrote:
Probably because EU people are smarter and use the ladder for practice, in NA you have a bunch of noobs trying to get advantage of other noobs by faking GM and stuff like that.
That is also why EU level is WAY way higher. There's just as many hackers on EU as NA stfu with your elitism and quit making ignorant statements like this cause you only come off as an asshole. Both ladders contrary to the believe of many of those on EU are pretty even maybe there's a slight skill gap in favor of EU but it's no where near the level that you're proclaiming it to be. So the sheer fact of the closeness in skill level and amount of hackers makes your statement nothing more the arrogant babble. I have a second account stuck in diamond that hits far far more hackers than my main account which is mid masters O.O
It's probably all the plat/diamond noobs who still can't get into masters with hacks because their mechanics suck -.- lol
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On June 21 2012 06:42 Bellazuk wrote:
CombatEx doesnt play sc2 anymore he retired, a guy took his name and this guy is a maphacker, he proxy 2 gate on 4 player spawn locations in pvp , I had like 5-6 replays of that. Very blatant.
that's what i thought and that's what i have been hearing(retired). we actually played twice in a row. the first game he lost then next he did that 1or2 gate proxy on a 4 player spawn location >_<
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hendralsk doesn't hack, seen him ladder at lans
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On June 21 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 05:07 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 03:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey guys I have a relevant question:
Do people really meet hackers on ladder on a regular basis? I play mid-masters on EU and I don't think I've met more than one, some guy that 2gated me on a 4 player map without scouting my base first, but seriously....
Do you guys think people are just looking for exuses as to why they're not improving? I'm not saying hackers don't exist but they're so rare they don't affect me at all.
I understand if there is a well-known gm out there possibly hacking you want to get to the bottom of it, but am I the only one in master league fortunate enough to not get a hacker "1 out of 4 games"??? 1 out of 4 is still a significant amount though that's 25% of your games that you pretty autolose unless they're idiots which if they're in masters I doubt they are. With that knowledge your winrate pretty much is locked at best at 75% but if you win maybe half your games you rate of winning is well below 50% which just isn't exceptable so we as a community should be doing everything in our power to get these hackers removed from the game no matter what their level is and this laid back rather lazy who cares attitude of yours if followed would only create a surge of hackers on every level rather then rooting them out. 1 out of 4 is still a very bad percentage and I don't know how people can think it isn't. You misunderstand me, I'm saying I rarely ever run into hackers. Yet a lot of people claim they run into them consistently. Do I simply not watch closely enough/care enough about this, or are people just jumping to conclusions and looking to blame their losses on something not in their hands (other than balance, for once). My question is, did hack whining just become the new balance whining overnight?
People used to produce observers, people used to scout 3rd, 4th , 5 base, people used to scout zerg tech after lair, people used to get naga towers, people used to get some map vision . Now, they blind counter perfectly, always take the right path for their army to face yours, never get caught by any surprise build ( no scout ) . You can say , this guy is not hacking he isnt looking in the fog of war or any sort of obvious process. Sure but, he takes decisions, he moves his army, he deny bases, all based on no scout and perfect timing and intuition witch none of them were doing like 2 months ago and any protoss high level produce obs, any terran scan when they move out but when i play maphackers they don't ever do that and always position perfectly and never get surprised of anything.
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On June 21 2012 07:18 Bellazuk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 05:07 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 03:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey guys I have a relevant question:
Do people really meet hackers on ladder on a regular basis? I play mid-masters on EU and I don't think I've met more than one, some guy that 2gated me on a 4 player map without scouting my base first, but seriously....
Do you guys think people are just looking for exuses as to why they're not improving? I'm not saying hackers don't exist but they're so rare they don't affect me at all.
I understand if there is a well-known gm out there possibly hacking you want to get to the bottom of it, but am I the only one in master league fortunate enough to not get a hacker "1 out of 4 games"??? 1 out of 4 is still a significant amount though that's 25% of your games that you pretty autolose unless they're idiots which if they're in masters I doubt they are. With that knowledge your winrate pretty much is locked at best at 75% but if you win maybe half your games you rate of winning is well below 50% which just isn't exceptable so we as a community should be doing everything in our power to get these hackers removed from the game no matter what their level is and this laid back rather lazy who cares attitude of yours if followed would only create a surge of hackers on every level rather then rooting them out. 1 out of 4 is still a very bad percentage and I don't know how people can think it isn't. You misunderstand me, I'm saying I rarely ever run into hackers. Yet a lot of people claim they run into them consistently. Do I simply not watch closely enough/care enough about this, or are people just jumping to conclusions and looking to blame their losses on something not in their hands (other than balance, for once). My question is, did hack whining just become the new balance whining overnight? People used to produce observers, people used to scout 3rd, 4th , 5 base, people used to scout zerg tech after lair, people used to get naga towers, people used to get some map vision . Now, they blind counter perfectly, always take the right path for their army to face yours, never get caught by any surprise build ( no scout ) . You can say , this guy is not hacking he isnt looking in the fog of war or any sort of obvious process. Sure but, he takes decisions, he moves his army, he deny bases, all based on no scout and perfect timing and intuition witch none of them were doing like 2 months ago and any protoss high level produce obs, any terran scan when they move out but when i play maphackers they don't ever do that and always position perfectly and never get surprised of anything.
What level are you playing at and could you point out to me two or more hackers in the last 50 games you have played?
I don't have this problem at all in masters EU.
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theres been alot of talk about sctrixy aka showtime, now I don't really like the guy but I don't think he maphacks. simply because I normally 12 pool/10 pool him and he never has a wall up in time, than again he could just be retarded
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On June 21 2012 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 07:18 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 05:07 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 03:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey guys I have a relevant question:
Do people really meet hackers on ladder on a regular basis? I play mid-masters on EU and I don't think I've met more than one, some guy that 2gated me on a 4 player map without scouting my base first, but seriously....
Do you guys think people are just looking for exuses as to why they're not improving? I'm not saying hackers don't exist but they're so rare they don't affect me at all.
I understand if there is a well-known gm out there possibly hacking you want to get to the bottom of it, but am I the only one in master league fortunate enough to not get a hacker "1 out of 4 games"??? 1 out of 4 is still a significant amount though that's 25% of your games that you pretty autolose unless they're idiots which if they're in masters I doubt they are. With that knowledge your winrate pretty much is locked at best at 75% but if you win maybe half your games you rate of winning is well below 50% which just isn't exceptable so we as a community should be doing everything in our power to get these hackers removed from the game no matter what their level is and this laid back rather lazy who cares attitude of yours if followed would only create a surge of hackers on every level rather then rooting them out. 1 out of 4 is still a very bad percentage and I don't know how people can think it isn't. You misunderstand me, I'm saying I rarely ever run into hackers. Yet a lot of people claim they run into them consistently. Do I simply not watch closely enough/care enough about this, or are people just jumping to conclusions and looking to blame their losses on something not in their hands (other than balance, for once). My question is, did hack whining just become the new balance whining overnight? People used to produce observers, people used to scout 3rd, 4th , 5 base, people used to scout zerg tech after lair, people used to get naga towers, people used to get some map vision . Now, they blind counter perfectly, always take the right path for their army to face yours, never get caught by any surprise build ( no scout ) . You can say , this guy is not hacking he isnt looking in the fog of war or any sort of obvious process. Sure but, he takes decisions, he moves his army, he deny bases, all based on no scout and perfect timing and intuition witch none of them were doing like 2 months ago and any protoss high level produce obs, any terran scan when they move out but when i play maphackers they don't ever do that and always position perfectly and never get surprised of anything. What level are you playing at and could you point out to me two or more hackers in the last 50 games you have played? I don't have this problem at all in masters EU.
I'm playing na masters, and I have replays but i lost faith reporting player since we reported redz (10 + ppl) with 5-6 blantant replays and hes still playing after like 3 weeks.
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On June 21 2012 03:28 Seohce wrote:Hi everyone. I would like to get a second opinion on whether or not this player is map hacking. I have never played against a map hacker before (to my knowledge) but after a game today I thought it was so suspicious that I would look over the replay, especially considering how prevalent map hacking seems right now on the ladder (just from looking over this thread). Here is a link to the replay: http://drop.sc/201056It is a PvZ with me playing as the Protoss. He starts off with a 6 pool, which is not in any way suspicious. I defend it and decide to go for a 4 gate counter attack. Note he has no vision of my natural. If you watch the play through he looks at my base through the FOW several times. After I cancel the pylon walling my natural in he looks at it. A couple of minutes or so later he looks back at my core and gateways (through the FOW). I then send a probe out onto the map to get up a proxy pylon. From his POV he sends lings directly after it (to the bottom right) and catches it perfectly. All that without seeing it or knowing a probe was even out on the map. He at first sends them to the watch tower, but then after my probe to the bottom right seemingly using the minimap! I confronted him after watching the replay, and he neither comfirmed or denied he was map hacking. He just said "we're not in wc3 bro" and then going unresponsive. Looking at his account it looks like he could be being boosted up into masters. Right now he is high diamond, but his win ratio (at least in the last few games) doesn't seem too good if he is map hacking. Cheers, Seohce
Just bumping my post as I don't think anyone saw it as it sank to the bottom the previous page. This was in masters on the EU server!
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Wow that is great. I hope they can fix this soon 
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On June 21 2012 05:55 KingDime wrote:
Played hendralisk many times, hell i even countered his build in a tourney by using his match history. Literally a hard counter and he ran right into it. Hendralisk is just a good solid player.
This - I beat him once because he thought an all-in was 4-gate pressure and he made 12 drones at once after seeing my first 4 zealot warp-in (my other 6 gates were morphing). He's a solid player, I wouldn't consider him suspect at all. :3
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On June 20 2012 08:11 EtherealDeath wrote:
Also the fraudster NMxBlazinT is currently in GM He pays for GM and then sells coaching to noobs who want to be coached by a GM but don't know he is a gold level player committing fraud. He is probably not being leveled by LgNBlackman this season since suddenly he is Protoss instead of Terran.
Sort of on topic, I just want to mention that Blackman is no longer on LgN and hasn't been with the team for many months now. He played with us once during NASTL qualifiers back in January, but I personally haven't seen or spoken to him since then. I thought he had quit entirely.
I hope there isn't a secret player on our roster that I don't know about despite being one of the sc2 team managers :-/
A later post also mentioned LgNKami--he's not a member of the pro team, but he is one of the community members who wears the team tag (like many people do with their favorite teams).
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On June 20 2012 08:11 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 07:59 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 20 2012 07:08 l_Kyo_l wrote:
>< Fnatictricky is in GM now. -sigh-
Wonder how many others there will be this season ;~; and impa is on a new account already queueing into idra so I suspect he will get GM too. From this thread the following hackers are confirmed and in GM right now that I can remember from the top of my head IMNestea HRGZack FnaticTricky NMxJValjean Also remember reading these in this thread and also current GM Shokzsctrixy Also the fraudster NMxBlazinT is currently in GM He pays for GM and then sells coaching to noobs who want to be coached by a GM but don't know he is a gold level player committing fraud. He is probably not being leveled by LgNBlackman this season since suddenly he is Protoss instead of Terran. I have also heard from people that NpPpSomeNoob is very suspicious when it's not a certain Korean who is smurfing on it. So at best we have 4 known hackers in GM. We may even have 8 or more right now even as GM is not near full.
I am extremely surprised that my name came up in this thread, I play a standard style that even idrA could be proud of. I am more than willing to cooperate if anyone believes that I am maphacking, I have thousands of replays as well as over 80 VODs/Tutorials on my personal guide site in which I show that I clearly do not hack. Each video is a replayed game of mine where I teach different strategies which clearly shows that I have never hacked. You can download some of my replays here or check out alot of my videos on my youtube page.
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On June 20 2012 12:21 SCTerran22 wrote:
From what i've seen, Hendralisk plays fishy, i've played him before and he's always countered my every build, i have been told by sources who develop the hack that hendralisk is on a list o buyers of this maphack, please clarify on this
User was banned for this post.
He's legit. Seen him at LANs and he definitely doesn't hack. Good player.
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Was playing 4v4 with team mate earlier we were planning to cheese with cannon rush and proxy barrack. Suddenly, our proxy and cannon was scouted right away and enemy probe was pulled before we even get to our destination. You can see in the replay that blue protoss (badmanner) was clearly maphacking within the first 5 minute of the game. I didn't look at his friend vision but the zerg was also suspicious with his muta attack and harass.
Replay: http://drop.sc/201561
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On June 21 2012 08:54 Bellazuk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 07:18 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 05:07 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 03:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey guys I have a relevant question:
Do people really meet hackers on ladder on a regular basis? I play mid-masters on EU and I don't think I've met more than one, some guy that 2gated me on a 4 player map without scouting my base first, but seriously....
Do you guys think people are just looking for exuses as to why they're not improving? I'm not saying hackers don't exist but they're so rare they don't affect me at all.
I understand if there is a well-known gm out there possibly hacking you want to get to the bottom of it, but am I the only one in master league fortunate enough to not get a hacker "1 out of 4 games"??? 1 out of 4 is still a significant amount though that's 25% of your games that you pretty autolose unless they're idiots which if they're in masters I doubt they are. With that knowledge your winrate pretty much is locked at best at 75% but if you win maybe half your games you rate of winning is well below 50% which just isn't exceptable so we as a community should be doing everything in our power to get these hackers removed from the game no matter what their level is and this laid back rather lazy who cares attitude of yours if followed would only create a surge of hackers on every level rather then rooting them out. 1 out of 4 is still a very bad percentage and I don't know how people can think it isn't. You misunderstand me, I'm saying I rarely ever run into hackers. Yet a lot of people claim they run into them consistently. Do I simply not watch closely enough/care enough about this, or are people just jumping to conclusions and looking to blame their losses on something not in their hands (other than balance, for once). My question is, did hack whining just become the new balance whining overnight? People used to produce observers, people used to scout 3rd, 4th , 5 base, people used to scout zerg tech after lair, people used to get naga towers, people used to get some map vision . Now, they blind counter perfectly, always take the right path for their army to face yours, never get caught by any surprise build ( no scout ) . You can say , this guy is not hacking he isnt looking in the fog of war or any sort of obvious process. Sure but, he takes decisions, he moves his army, he deny bases, all based on no scout and perfect timing and intuition witch none of them were doing like 2 months ago and any protoss high level produce obs, any terran scan when they move out but when i play maphackers they don't ever do that and always position perfectly and never get surprised of anything. What level are you playing at and could you point out to me two or more hackers in the last 50 games you have played? I don't have this problem at all in masters EU. I'm playing na masters, and I have replays but i lost faith reporting player since we reported redz (10 + ppl) with 5-6 blantant replays and hes still playing after like 3 weeks.
So... the answer is no? To make it easier on you, just upload your last 50 replays and I will go through all of them carefully.
I swear this is all in people's heads, and though I wouldn't like to get proven wrong, I'd like to know the truth.
I'm not sure which one would be more saddening. The fact that everyone is encountering maphackers on a consistent basis, or the fact that everyone all of a sudden claims to run into maphackers on a consistent basis after threads like this pops up.
I mean maybe I'm naive, but this looks like flocking to me.
Everyone can name that one time they played against an obvious cheater who 2gated him on a 4player map without scouting, but honestly.... that's the only example I can come up with from my own replays.
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On June 21 2012 17:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 08:54 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 07:18 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 05:07 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 03:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey guys I have a relevant question:
Do people really meet hackers on ladder on a regular basis? I play mid-masters on EU and I don't think I've met more than one, some guy that 2gated me on a 4 player map without scouting my base first, but seriously....
Do you guys think people are just looking for exuses as to why they're not improving? I'm not saying hackers don't exist but they're so rare they don't affect me at all.
I understand if there is a well-known gm out there possibly hacking you want to get to the bottom of it, but am I the only one in master league fortunate enough to not get a hacker "1 out of 4 games"??? 1 out of 4 is still a significant amount though that's 25% of your games that you pretty autolose unless they're idiots which if they're in masters I doubt they are. With that knowledge your winrate pretty much is locked at best at 75% but if you win maybe half your games you rate of winning is well below 50% which just isn't exceptable so we as a community should be doing everything in our power to get these hackers removed from the game no matter what their level is and this laid back rather lazy who cares attitude of yours if followed would only create a surge of hackers on every level rather then rooting them out. 1 out of 4 is still a very bad percentage and I don't know how people can think it isn't. You misunderstand me, I'm saying I rarely ever run into hackers. Yet a lot of people claim they run into them consistently. Do I simply not watch closely enough/care enough about this, or are people just jumping to conclusions and looking to blame their losses on something not in their hands (other than balance, for once). My question is, did hack whining just become the new balance whining overnight? People used to produce observers, people used to scout 3rd, 4th , 5 base, people used to scout zerg tech after lair, people used to get naga towers, people used to get some map vision . Now, they blind counter perfectly, always take the right path for their army to face yours, never get caught by any surprise build ( no scout ) . You can say , this guy is not hacking he isnt looking in the fog of war or any sort of obvious process. Sure but, he takes decisions, he moves his army, he deny bases, all based on no scout and perfect timing and intuition witch none of them were doing like 2 months ago and any protoss high level produce obs, any terran scan when they move out but when i play maphackers they don't ever do that and always position perfectly and never get surprised of anything. What level are you playing at and could you point out to me two or more hackers in the last 50 games you have played? I don't have this problem at all in masters EU. I'm playing na masters, and I have replays but i lost faith reporting player since we reported redz (10 + ppl) with 5-6 blantant replays and hes still playing after like 3 weeks. So... the answer is no? To make it easier on you, just upload your last 50 replays and I will go through all of them carefully. I swear this is all in people's heads, and though I wouldn't like to get proven wrong, I'd like to know the truth. I'm not sure which one would be more saddening. The fact that everyone is encountering maphackers on a consistent basis, or the fact that everyone all of a sudden claims to run into maphackers on a consistent basis after threads like this pops up. I mean maybe I'm naive, but this looks like flocking to me. Everyone can name that one time they played against an obvious cheater who 2gated him on a 4player map without scouting, but honestly.... that's the only example I can come up with from my own replays.
When
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On June 21 2012 18:21 Get.Midikem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 17:56 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 08:54 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 07:18 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 05:07 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 03:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey guys I have a relevant question:
Do people really meet hackers on ladder on a regular basis? I play mid-masters on EU and I don't think I've met more than one, some guy that 2gated me on a 4 player map without scouting my base first, but seriously....
Do you guys think people are just looking for exuses as to why they're not improving? I'm not saying hackers don't exist but they're so rare they don't affect me at all.
I understand if there is a well-known gm out there possibly hacking you want to get to the bottom of it, but am I the only one in master league fortunate enough to not get a hacker "1 out of 4 games"??? 1 out of 4 is still a significant amount though that's 25% of your games that you pretty autolose unless they're idiots which if they're in masters I doubt they are. With that knowledge your winrate pretty much is locked at best at 75% but if you win maybe half your games you rate of winning is well below 50% which just isn't exceptable so we as a community should be doing everything in our power to get these hackers removed from the game no matter what their level is and this laid back rather lazy who cares attitude of yours if followed would only create a surge of hackers on every level rather then rooting them out. 1 out of 4 is still a very bad percentage and I don't know how people can think it isn't. You misunderstand me, I'm saying I rarely ever run into hackers. Yet a lot of people claim they run into them consistently. Do I simply not watch closely enough/care enough about this, or are people just jumping to conclusions and looking to blame their losses on something not in their hands (other than balance, for once). My question is, did hack whining just become the new balance whining overnight? People used to produce observers, people used to scout 3rd, 4th , 5 base, people used to scout zerg tech after lair, people used to get naga towers, people used to get some map vision . Now, they blind counter perfectly, always take the right path for their army to face yours, never get caught by any surprise build ( no scout ) . You can say , this guy is not hacking he isnt looking in the fog of war or any sort of obvious process. Sure but, he takes decisions, he moves his army, he deny bases, all based on no scout and perfect timing and intuition witch none of them were doing like 2 months ago and any protoss high level produce obs, any terran scan when they move out but when i play maphackers they don't ever do that and always position perfectly and never get surprised of anything. What level are you playing at and could you point out to me two or more hackers in the last 50 games you have played? I don't have this problem at all in masters EU. I'm playing na masters, and I have replays but i lost faith reporting player since we reported redz (10 + ppl) with 5-6 blantant replays and hes still playing after like 3 weeks. So... the answer is no? To make it easier on you, just upload your last 50 replays and I will go through all of them carefully. I swear this is all in people's heads, and though I wouldn't like to get proven wrong, I'd like to know the truth. I'm not sure which one would be more saddening. The fact that everyone is encountering maphackers on a consistent basis, or the fact that everyone all of a sudden claims to run into maphackers on a consistent basis after threads like this pops up. I mean maybe I'm naive, but this looks like flocking to me. Everyone can name that one time they played against an obvious cheater who 2gated him on a 4player map without scouting, but honestly.... that's the only example I can come up with from my own replays. When
I don't follow, what do you mean "when"?
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On June 21 2012 17:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 08:54 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 07:18 Bellazuk wrote:On June 21 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On June 21 2012 05:07 Catatonic wrote:On June 21 2012 03:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey guys I have a relevant question:
Do people really meet hackers on ladder on a regular basis? I play mid-masters on EU and I don't think I've met more than one, some guy that 2gated me on a 4 player map without scouting my base first, but seriously....
Do you guys think people are just looking for exuses as to why they're not improving? I'm not saying hackers don't exist but they're so rare they don't affect me at all.
I understand if there is a well-known gm out there possibly hacking you want to get to the bottom of it, but am I the only one in master league fortunate enough to not get a hacker "1 out of 4 games"??? 1 out of 4 is still a significant amount though that's 25% of your games that you pretty autolose unless they're idiots which if they're in masters I doubt they are. With that knowledge your winrate pretty much is locked at best at 75% but if you win maybe half your games you rate of winning is well below 50% which just isn't exceptable so we as a community should be doing everything in our power to get these hackers removed from the game no matter what their level is and this laid back rather lazy who cares attitude of yours if followed would only create a surge of hackers on every level rather then rooting them out. 1 out of 4 is still a very bad percentage and I don't know how people can think it isn't. You misunderstand me, I'm saying I rarely ever run into hackers. Yet a lot of people claim they run into them consistently. Do I simply not watch closely enough/care enough about this, or are people just jumping to conclusions and looking to blame their losses on something not in their hands (other than balance, for once). My question is, did hack whining just become the new balance whining overnight? People used to produce observers, people used to scout 3rd, 4th , 5 base, people used to scout zerg tech after lair, people used to get naga towers, people used to get some map vision . Now, they blind counter perfectly, always take the right path for their army to face yours, never get caught by any surprise build ( no scout ) . You can say , this guy is not hacking he isnt looking in the fog of war or any sort of obvious process. Sure but, he takes decisions, he moves his army, he deny bases, all based on no scout and perfect timing and intuition witch none of them were doing like 2 months ago and any protoss high level produce obs, any terran scan when they move out but when i play maphackers they don't ever do that and always position perfectly and never get surprised of anything. What level are you playing at and could you point out to me two or more hackers in the last 50 games you have played? I don't have this problem at all in masters EU. I'm playing na masters, and I have replays but i lost faith reporting player since we reported redz (10 + ppl) with 5-6 blantant replays and hes still playing after like 3 weeks. So... the answer is no? To make it easier on you, just upload your last 50 replays and I will go through all of them carefully. I swear this is all in people's heads, and though I wouldn't like to get proven wrong, I'd like to know the truth. I'm not sure which one would be more saddening. The fact that everyone is encountering maphackers on a consistent basis, or the fact that everyone all of a sudden claims to run into maphackers on a consistent basis after threads like this pops up. I mean maybe I'm naive, but this looks like flocking to me. Everyone can name that one time they played against an obvious cheater who 2gated him on a 4player map without scouting, but honestly.... that's the only example I can come up with from my own replays.
When i noticed this thread i started to go through my replays and i was suppriced how many obvious maphackers i noticed. Look with their vision on. And u will find more.
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I have to admit, a few months back I was curious what the hacks offered because I was sick of not getting out of silver. I'd been silver top 8 for the entire season, and whenever i moved into top 1-3, I'd start getting matched against top gold/plat and even the occasional diamond and start losing (winning occasionally against anything but diamond). So i tried out the maphack and the freakiest thing happened. I started losing MORE, because instead of relying on my already established intuition, skills, and timings, i had to break all those to concentrate on the new input from the hack, and i really don't think that if someone starts playing with the hack as part of the game, they'll ever be more than gold in legit play. It breaks your learning too much.
So basically i hacked for one day then deleted it.
It's been 3 seasons since then. The other day i fought a top 50 masters 1v1. He defeated me after 35 minutes, and told me that with a bit of practice, i could make masters in a day or two.
It's now been 3 seasons and i'm still silver...
I love and hate this game.
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