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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
SpiritSTR
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Brazil41 Posts
February 18 2014 22:50 GMT
#7841
Well , proxy gate in FrostLE without any scout, at all...
Player : Junbei
Bnet url : http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5161571/1/Jubei/
http://drop.sc/374319
Luck is the last dying wish of those who wanna believe that winning can happen by accident, sweat on the other hand is for those who know its a choice
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
February 18 2014 22:58 GMT
#7842
On February 18 2014 22:30 NFxJehuty wrote:
Not sure if maphacker or not, because my off-race is bad, but is someone supposed to go Robo straight after Council in PvP? if not (After I placed DARK SHRINE):

L: Masters
N Phoenix
C bod

You can also notice he moves his army back to his main the second I place it, as if he knew I threw down that proxy/an attack was coming.

I would need a replay to check, and it really depends, if you for example poke up a ramp and see a single stalker at 5:30 you usually drop a robo to be safe, but otherwise IDK.
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smaug81243
Profile Joined October 2011
94 Posts
February 19 2014 05:25 GMT
#7843
I've got another maphacker to add. High masters on NA, name is revolution. http://drop.sc/374419
Through the midgame he happens to counter at the right times with no vision of my army + react with spores to my banshees. This alone could have just been coincidence but if you take a look at my army movement around 22-23 min you will see him pull drones from the base I'm moving to take out when he did not gain vision of it.
Nido.Movida
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom2 Posts
February 19 2014 21:55 GMT
#7844
Hacker name : KaLLLeu
Server EU
League Diamond
Description went proxy two gate on a 4 player map without scouting

Replay link
http://drop.sc/374460
God save the queen!
Adrenalinn
Profile Joined February 2014
7 Posts
February 19 2014 23:34 GMT
#7845
On February 20 2014 06:55 Nido.Movida wrote:
Hacker name : KaLLLeu
Server EU
League Diamond
Description went proxy two gate on a 4 player map without scouting

Replay link
http://drop.sc/374460



you dont think he just got lucky? haha seems fishy yeah.
Tossim111
Profile Joined October 2009
United States246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 00:23:31
February 20 2014 00:01 GMT
#7846
Suspicious of Hack: Rain
Server: AM
League: Plat (8-0) now playing Masters (I am Masters)

Description:
00:00: Weak but, he does scout me at the first try. <- Do not even address this, please.

31:08 : After an engagement with both of our major armies, I attempt to drop his base @ 6-7 ' clock, his 5th. Usually when players lose the majority of their units in an engagement they would warp in to reinforce, but as soon as my drop nears his base, the 2nd action he does is warp in templar.
TLDR: he warp ins 2 templar as soon as I am about to arrive with 3 medivacs at his 5th.

32:56 - 33:36 : Concentrates his army where I am pushing without any vision. I am able to walk around the xel'naga towers.

35:16: Again, he concentrates his army where I am pushing without any vision. What was suspicious is he takes control of the xel'naga tower for a moment when my army is near it, and as I advance out of sight, he moves in and engages.

EDIT: What I had forgotten to add:

41:20: He focuses his camera on his HT at 3' oclock and is ready to storm my small army without vision of movement.

There was a bm player by the name of [Ciels] Rain who was diamond; I tried finding him on nios.kr but the many Rains in ladder would not fit him as he had plenty of games played; possibly a banned player whom got another account.

Here is the replay: http://drop.sc/374465
Nido.Movida
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom2 Posts
February 20 2014 00:07 GMT
#7847
On February 20 2014 08:34 Adrenalinn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 06:55 Nido.Movida wrote:
Hacker name : KaLLLeu
Server EU
League Diamond
Description went proxy two gate on a 4 player map without scouting

Replay link
http://drop.sc/374460



you dont think he just got lucky? haha seems fishy yeah.


lol
God save the queen!
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
February 20 2014 00:16 GMT
#7848
On February 20 2014 09:01 Tossim111 wrote:
Suspicious of Hack: Rain
Server: AM
League: Plat (8-0) now playing Masters (I am Masters)

Description:
00:00: Weak but, he does scout me at the first try. <- Do not even address this, please.

31:08 : After an engagement with both of our major armies, I attempt to drop his base @ 6-7 ' clock, his 5th. Usually when players lose the majority of their units in an engagement they would warp in to reinforce, but as soon as my drop nears his base, the 2nd action he does is warp in templar.
TLDR: he warp ins 2 templar as soon as I am about to arrive with 3 medivacs at his 5th.

32:56 - 33:36 : Concentrates his army where I am pushing without any vision. I am able to walk around the xel'naga towers.

35:16: Again, he concentrates his army where I am pushing without any vision. What was suspicious is he takes control of the xel'naga tower for a moment when my army is near it, and as I advance out of sight, he moves in and engages.

There was a bm player by the name of [Ciels] Rain who was diamond; I tried finding him on nios.kr but the many Rains in ladder would not fit him as he had plenty of games played; possibly a banned player whom got another account.

Here is the replay: http://drop.sc/374465


Templars could just be lucky, when i use to be in masters i did warp in templars anticipating drops after losing my main army.

Army positioning, this could just be luck; but is suspicious.

"What was suspicious is he takes control of the xel'naga tower for a moment when my army is near it, and as I advance out of sight, he moves in and engages."
this isn't that suspicious, he's taking xel naga and as soon as ur army moves out of sight it is likely that he's trying to catch u out of position. however, him taking xelnaga while u're near it (im assuming multiple times) is fairly suspicious.

"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Tossim111
Profile Joined October 2009
United States246 Posts
February 20 2014 00:25 GMT
#7849
On February 20 2014 09:16 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:01 Tossim111 wrote:
Suspicious of Hack: Rain
Server: AM
League: Plat (8-0) now playing Masters (I am Masters)

Description:
00:00: Weak but, he does scout me at the first try. <- Do not even address this, please.

31:08 : After an engagement with both of our major armies, I attempt to drop his base @ 6-7 ' clock, his 5th. Usually when players lose the majority of their units in an engagement they would warp in to reinforce, but as soon as my drop nears his base, the 2nd action he does is warp in templar.
TLDR: he warp ins 2 templar as soon as I am about to arrive with 3 medivacs at his 5th.

32:56 - 33:36 : Concentrates his army where I am pushing without any vision. I am able to walk around the xel'naga towers.

35:16: Again, he concentrates his army where I am pushing without any vision. What was suspicious is he takes control of the xel'naga tower for a moment when my army is near it, and as I advance out of sight, he moves in and engages.

There was a bm player by the name of [Ciels] Rain who was diamond; I tried finding him on nios.kr but the many Rains in ladder would not fit him as he had plenty of games played; possibly a banned player whom got another account.

Here is the replay: http://drop.sc/374465


Templars could just be lucky, when i use to be in masters i did warp in templars anticipating drops after losing my main army.

Army positioning, this could just be luck; but is suspicious.

Show nested quote +
"What was suspicious is he takes control of the xel'naga tower for a moment when my army is near it, and as I advance out of sight, he moves in and engages."
this isn't that suspicious, he's taking xel naga and as soon as ur army moves out of sight it is likely that he's trying to catch u out of position. however, him taking xelnaga while u're near it (im assuming multiple times) is fairly suspicious.



No, I dont move out of sight, I was never in sight for an estimated 2 minutes. He has his army positioned at the choke majority of the game, and as I sneak around, he reacts perfectly, without ever having vision.
mainerd
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States347 Posts
February 22 2014 19:48 GMT
#7850
Hacker name: NWABroseidon
Server: NA
League: GM
Description: I probably wouldn't have thought much of this game if not for the reaper movement at the start when my zealot was moving towards his nat. He didn't hop the reaper into my main to scout, instead went to watch tower, which did not reveal my zealot, but brought back his reaper to his natural anyway. There are times it seems he's not maphacking, like 9:00 when he scouts my army with a marine and pulls back into his main, but the fact he didn't scout my base at all and had great timing on scouting my army + his removal of proxy pylons and an intercept on my prism makes me suspicious.

Replay
"Let me tell you, in eSTRO we had some circle jerks, straight up. It wasn't pretty." -NonY
Shanyo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium70 Posts
February 22 2014 20:23 GMT
#7851
On February 23 2014 04:48 mainerd wrote:
Hacker name: NWABroseidon
Server: NA
League: GM
Description: I probably wouldn't have thought much of this game if not for the reaper movement at the start when my zealot was moving towards his nat. He didn't hop the reaper into my main to scout, instead went to watch tower, which did not reveal my zealot, but brought back his reaper to his natural anyway. There are times it seems he's not maphacking, like 9:00 when he scouts my army with a marine and pulls back into his main, but the fact he didn't scout my base at all and had great timing on scouting my army + his removal of proxy pylons and an intercept on my prism makes me suspicious.

Replay


He's a confirmed hacker. Search his name on SC2 reddit.
I'm all creeped out
Adrenalinn
Profile Joined February 2014
7 Posts
February 22 2014 21:12 GMT
#7852
On February 23 2014 05:23 Shanyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 04:48 mainerd wrote:
Hacker name: NWABroseidon
Server: NA
League: GM
Description: I probably wouldn't have thought much of this game if not for the reaper movement at the start when my zealot was moving towards his nat. He didn't hop the reaper into my main to scout, instead went to watch tower, which did not reveal my zealot, but brought back his reaper to his natural anyway. There are times it seems he's not maphacking, like 9:00 when he scouts my army with a marine and pulls back into his main, but the fact he didn't scout my base at all and had great timing on scouting my army + his removal of proxy pylons and an intercept on my prism makes me suspicious.

Replay


He's a confirmed hacker. Search his name on SC2 reddit.



Interesting. I had no idea. I think I've lost to him a few times.
NFxJehuty
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom58 Posts
February 22 2014 23:00 GMT
#7853
Player: SoulS
Clan : [Sæxy]
Race: Protoss
League: Diamond(Masters MMR/ ex-15 time masters player)

Patrols third base without any knowledge on spawn position or sighting of overlords on Alterzim Stronghold (4 Player map).
Adrenalinn
Profile Joined February 2014
7 Posts
February 23 2014 01:12 GMT
#7854
On February 23 2014 08:00 NFxJehuty wrote:
Player: SoulS
Clan : [Sæxy]
Race: Protoss
League: Diamond(Masters MMR/ ex-15 time masters player)

Patrols third base without any knowledge on spawn position or sighting of overlords on Alterzim Stronghold (4 Player map).


The scout isn't sketchy, could just be luck. But the fact that he patrols it is really weird.
TheMaXiM
Profile Joined May 2012
United States43 Posts
February 23 2014 05:37 GMT
#7855
Hacker name [xGs] CaptainPro
Server NA
League Diamond
Description: This recent game vs (Xgs) CaptainPro, I felt he knew every plan I had all of the way, after looking at the replay you can see some of these points where the map hacking is VERY VERY OBVIOUS.

Here are some key points you can jump too in the replay here: http://drop.sc/374683

The opening proxied rax was quite obvious and I knew it had been scouted so that there was not suspicious to me at all

6:00, you can see he wasn't over making lings at all and was quite aware of the aggression I was putting on. With the vision he had, there was no real way to know I wasn't just massing marines, but not SUPER suspicious in this moment, just a nod toward what's to come.

12:30, He selects his roaches to come to EXACTLY the corner my marines are coming in at the EXACT time, without any overlord coverage on the map

14:30, rallies roaches to my third, not suspicious in itself but he had no vision and just KNEW to rally there for w/e reason. Not the most insane part of the replay though.

19:50, moves a group of roaches to his natural and even BURROWS them waiting for a drop that can't be seen due to his ZERO overlord coverage on the map, no possible way to see this coming, yet he had the reaction ready at the EXACT time my drop was coming?

21:45, Burrows his army of roaches waiting for my army to approach with still, no vision of the whole entire map. There's no way to know this attack is coming again, you'd have to see it coming to do that reaction.

From here on he is just taunting me, daring me to report him for something he knows is hard to be punished for.

It's pretty ridiculous that there are an unknown amount of these people out there and I hope Blizzard can get something done about this soon. It seems like we see more of these threads as time goes on.

Thank you for taking the time to look through the replay and read this, I really hope it gets somewhere.
Grippe87
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden59 Posts
February 23 2014 09:59 GMT
#7856
On February 23 2014 14:37 TheMaXiM wrote:
It's pretty ridiculous that there are an unknown amount of these people out there and I hope Blizzard can get something done about this soon. It seems like we see more of these threads as time goes on.



So, while it seems likely that this guy had some hack going on, this isn't exactly 'proof'. It could be a total coincidence, especially with stuff like moving his army in what seems like a reaction to yours even if he has no scouting. Watch any of your own games with this same critical eye and you'll notice that sometimes this kind of positioning takes place. The reality of SC2 is that there are optimal locations and positions to try and defend and attack, like behind choke points or up ramps, or even before chokes in the case of zvx. Burrowing roaches at drop locations is also suspicious but unfortunately not proof, because again, there are good places to drop and good places to defend potential drops. I remember back in WoL when mass drop play was popular vs zerg, and one of the ways to defend it was to burrow banes at the most obvious drop locations. I grant that this is a little different in that it's not banes, but ppl do weird shit in diamond league lol. What is proof is stuff like in-base proxies on 4 player maps with no scouts for example, or mirroring army movements without vision (notice, not merely re-positioning armies at optimal locations).


Blizzard's strategy on banning people unfortunately allows for a lot of suspicious activity to fall through the cracks, but I think it's one of those "innocent until proven guilty" ideals that guides their thinking here. Altogether I don't think that's a bad thing. I do, however, think that they need to update the technology they use to identify cheating. But I'm not holding my breath since Blizzard has never been particularly with the times when it comes to technology.
TheMaXiM
Profile Joined May 2012
United States43 Posts
February 23 2014 16:12 GMT
#7857
On February 23 2014 18:59 Grippe87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 14:37 TheMaXiM wrote:
It's pretty ridiculous that there are an unknown amount of these people out there and I hope Blizzard can get something done about this soon. It seems like we see more of these threads as time goes on.



So, while it seems likely that this guy had some hack going on, this isn't exactly 'proof'. It could be a total coincidence, especially with stuff like moving his army in what seems like a reaction to yours even if he has no scouting. Watch any of your own games with this same critical eye and you'll notice that sometimes this kind of positioning takes place. The reality of SC2 is that there are optimal locations and positions to try and defend and attack, like behind choke points or up ramps, or even before chokes in the case of zvx. Burrowing roaches at drop locations is also suspicious but unfortunately not proof, because again, there are good places to drop and good places to defend potential drops. I remember back in WoL when mass drop play was popular vs zerg, and one of the ways to defend it was to burrow banes at the most obvious drop locations. I grant that this is a little different in that it's not banes, but ppl do weird shit in diamond league lol. What is proof is stuff like in-base proxies on 4 player maps with no scouts for example, or mirroring army movements without vision (notice, not merely re-positioning armies at optimal locations).


Blizzard's strategy on banning people unfortunately allows for a lot of suspicious activity to fall through the cracks, but I think it's one of those "innocent until proven guilty" ideals that guides their thinking here. Altogether I don't think that's a bad thing. I do, however, think that they need to update the technology they use to identify cheating. But I'm not holding my breath since Blizzard has never been particularly with the times when it comes to technology.


I understand that sometimes we have our gamer sense turn on and catch alot of things but you can't move your army into position and burrow it every time just where they're going to walk in. Can't move in for every drop that's happening before it happens when you have NO OVERLORD COVERAGE WHAT SO EVER. Then they taunt you with the fact that they are hacking. I'd say that's MORE than 100% proof.
krayzie.814
Profile Joined September 2011
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 10:11:38
February 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#7858
Can i get a second opinion on these guys? they seem to always have the exact counter to everything i do without scouting, and in these 3 games i did 3 completely different timing attacks, each time they perfectly countered and were ready for every attack, including pre morphing banes in the second game right before we enter their base, and they have no vision. The first game i tech straight to muta, and so did he. Second game i do a 2 base ling rush, and so does he, third game we go 10p/ 7rr, and he goes 10 pool into roach. Fourth game i do a 6 pool, and he goes 10p and makes lings before gas, to make sure he gets em out early enough. No scouting at all.

http://drop.sc/374759 Game1
http://drop.sc/374760 Game2
http://drop.sc/374761 Game3
http://drop.sc/374763 Game4
Niejadek
Profile Joined May 2012
United States13 Posts
February 24 2014 18:31 GMT
#7859
Player: Crash
Clan : [Zeubie]
Race: Protoss
League: Diamond (i didnt play like 1 month)
Hi, i just played vs Crash and im thinking he used maphack. Can somebody check the replay and tell your own opinion ?

http://drop.sc/374778

3:16 Forge wtf ?
4:08 canon, no scout
11:58 im moving out to push, hes making canons on natural
20:44 adding canon on main
20:52 moving whole army into main where my drop is coming and warping extra stalker to follow up in main
and few more
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
February 25 2014 08:11 GMT
#7860
ID: Mark
Race: Zerg
League: Diamond
Was playing unranked, this guys play made absolutely no sense, he didnt look into the FoW too often/all that suspiciously, but his reactions to things were a bit too fast for me to call normal

Also 25:18 splits up his mutas in a completely impossible way, like there is no way a human could do that.

Would love for someone to look through it <3

http://drop.sc/374966
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