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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On May 29 2012 00:08 RenSC2 wrote:
Blizzard is stuck in a bad place. They can't blindly trust reports of hacking because there are plenty of sour grapes out there. They can't devote enough manpower to really investigate the hackers because SC2 doesn't make a monthly income for Blizzard. They can't implement programs to sniff out the hacking because many hacks are sophisticated enough that it'd require an illegal breach of privacy to detect. They can't create a hack-proof game because they need to give information to the client (or else have a really laggy and CPU intensive game). So, what can they do?
I've even been wondering for awhile now whether or not some "pros" are actually using hacks in online tournaments. There just seems to be some guys who do really well in the online events, but are a lot worse in live events. This goes for little tournaments like Playhem all the way up to big things like NASL. If you had GM level abilities (but not pro-level) and then tossed some maphack/production hack on top of that, you could easily compete with the best. As long as your cheating was subtle, you could probably get away with it for a long long time and get some money and fame for doing it.
The community needs to remain vigilant to protect the tournaments. As for Blizzard, they should seriously consider setting up a volunteer system to check for maphacks... so that those volunteers can go through the sheer mass of maphack reports and filter out the sour grapes ones. Then have a small group of Blizzard employees make final decisions on cases where the volunteers report that a maphack is used.
I think most online tournaments are fine, as they'll most likely react very strongly if the opponent reports maphacking and the admin agrees after watching the replay.
Though production hack is probably harder 
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Since map hacking is happening more frequently in higher leagues, does it happen in lower leagues also? And if so are there any expamples? Also what is a good way to know if im playing against a map hacker?
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On May 29 2012 00:28 ImANinjaBich wrote:
Since map hacking is happening more frequently in higher leagues, does it happen in lower leagues also? And if so are there any expamples? Also what is a good way to know if im playing against a map hacker?
The best course of action is to ignore them. You can still beat maphackers by just plain old playing better, and there is no way to know you are playing a maphacker while in-game - nor is there any real adjustment you can make to try to beat a maphacker if you know for sure your opponent is maphacking.
Just play your best and you might just beat him with superior mechanics.
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On May 29 2012 00:28 ImANinjaBich wrote:
Since map hacking is happening more frequently in higher leagues, does it happen in lower leagues also? And if so are there any expamples? Also what is a good way to know if im playing against a map hacker?
Yes it happens in every league. Anyone who is dedicated enough to say to themselves, i'm going to maphack, can do it. Why wouldn't BSG players say that to themselves?
A good way to identify map hackers would be to read this thread, and pickup on subtleties. Other threads have been linked which will help you do exactly that. And you can pickup quite a few tips in this thread as well.
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I just watched the vod of Impa playing with the hack
So far the only way to tell someone is hacking, is if you look at their view and watch the typical give-aways e.g. they look at the enemy base, they prepare for a drop which hasn't been spotted, etc.
However a good hacker will never do these things - they will simply use the production tab (of this particular cheat) and the supply indicator - which alone give a huge advantage.
Basically put I could easily use this cheat and never be detected - just requires some discipline and boundaries.
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On May 29 2012 00:32 kmh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 00:28 ImANinjaBich wrote:
Since map hacking is happening more frequently in higher leagues, does it happen in lower leagues also? And if so are there any expamples? Also what is a good way to know if im playing against a map hacker? The best course of action is to ignore them. You can still beat maphackers by just plain old playing better, and there is no way to know you are playing a maphacker while in-game - nor is there any real adjustment you can make to try to beat a maphacker if you know for sure your opponent is maphacking. Just play your best and you might just beat him with superior mechanics.
The fact still remains u are at a complete disadvantage and those players who do mh dont deserve to be in gm
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On May 28 2012 23:47 VoO wrote:
Nobody literally gives a shit about this. 2 out of 10 games I have obvious maphackers who even admitt using maphack. It doesn't matter because nobody ever got banned using external even if they admit it in the ingame chat. I developed my own maphack, used it and talked about to my opponents without hesitation. Nobody will ever get banned for using a maphack in SC2, that's the reality.
Tons of people have been banned already. And you're admitting to maphacking?
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It just seems like a HUGE hurdle to overcome in a game. It might have been 2 weks ago i was watching iNcontroL's stream. he was against a terran and even tho iNcontroL's mechanics and macro are top notch he ended up losing that match. I just think something can be done to perm ban maphackers. but what...idk.
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There literally are coding tutorials for sc2 maphacks if u bother to look around, its hillariously simple, could easily write it in like 20 mins if you know a programming language. Anyone pretending Blizzard has state of the art security is kidding themselves.
Blizzard make plenty more money by just doing banwaves of any hack that gets totally out of control every few months than making a secure game, as most people will actually buy another copy of sc2 if they have their first banned.
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On May 29 2012 00:35 Sawofhackness wrote:
I just watched the vod of Impa playing with the hack
So far the only way to tell someone is hacking, is if you look at their view and watch the typical give-aways e.g. they look at the enemy base, they prepare for a drop which hasn't been spotted, etc.
However a good hacker will never do these things - they will simply use the production tab (of this particular cheat) and the supply indicator - which alone give a huge advantage.
Basically put I could easily use this cheat and never be detected - just requires some discipline and boundaries.
Yeah it's really sad that there are probably people who are good at hiding that they hack. They can just look at the minimap and production tab for everything.
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Not everyone who looks through fog of war at enemy base is a maphacker:s
Some people are just noobs.
I myself often scroll around out of boredom or to see what the map is like again at certain spots.
And i also often go back to the enemy base to see again what i did scout, or sometimes just by accident when i make a big mouse swing.
Am not saying you are not able to see if someone map hacks by looking at his first vision screen but just him going to fog of war and have a look at the enemy base again is definatly not 100% proof
Annyway:i absolutely hate hacks and i think blizzrad should punish way and way more severely and also put more effort in detecting, i think its not only map hacks btw but maybe also macro hacks.
Why does sc not have punkbuster or something similar?
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA
seriously, wtf
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As a player I feel like there isn't much I can do regarding maphackers. I report the ones I suspect but beyond that, there's really no use in getting too pissed about it, so just move onto the next game. When the banhammers fall (and they will, now that HotS is on it's way), be glad you still have your account, your skill that's independent of a program, and your dignity 
I've said this before but maphackers are only doing a disservice to themselves. I feel like you'd play worse if you ever stopped using it, you can't play with friends, you can't play in LANs, you can't even judge if you're getting better or not because you have this program. The hardest part of improving in this game involves things that don't require maphacks--mechanics, builds, strategy--just look at the progamers, I'm sure they can beat these guys easily. Anyway that's my rant on my belief of "dont worry just play".
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I don't get it. Blizzard puts in the effort to make Battle.net 0.2 so that we can't make an iCCup and to block pirated SCII players but doesn't put in the effort to catch hackers. What the hell. Give us permission to make a separate ladder with antihack and LAN latency if you don't give a damn about your game.
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On May 29 2012 00:28 ImANinjaBich wrote:
Since map hacking is happening more frequently in higher leagues, does it happen in lower leagues also? And if so are there any expamples? Also what is a good way to know if im playing against a map hacker?
Ya it happens in lower leagues. I remember when I was in platinum, maybe even gold, I saw a few replays of maphackers on my replays and friends replays. If you watch your replays a lot you will see them every now and then.
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Seriously, if a players STREAMS his game while cheating and still ISN'T BANNED, there is something seriously wrong with Blizzard.
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On May 28 2012 13:57 goswser wrote:
I always thought it was weird when random people proxy 2 gated my main on tal darim. Just assumed they were banking on the 1/3 chance.
Yeah, real men proxy in the middle of the map.
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On May 29 2012 01:29 Trogdor89 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 13:57 goswser wrote:
I always thought it was weird when random people proxy 2 gated my main on tal darim. Just assumed they were banking on the 1/3 chance. Yeah, real men proxy in the middle of the map.
Real men don't even build units when they cheese Zerg. They build Cannons.
On May 29 2012 00:28 ImANinjaBich wrote:
Since map hacking is happening more frequently in higher leagues, does it happen in lower leagues also? And if so are there any expamples? Also what is a good way to know if im playing against a map hacker?
I think you'd advance quite rapidly through the leagues with map hacks based on Impa's play. I mean he easily denied a cannon rush, and yet his macro was horrible and had Zwei went into a macro game instead of trying an all-in I think Zwei would have won. Even still Zwei gave him trouble with his final attack because Impa has no micro or multitasking, he was too busy chasing around a Warp Prism to be bothered with the main battle.
I also watched this game vs Grubby http://drop.sc/187482 where he proxies 2 gates next to his base on Tal Darim, but loses because of horrible micro, timing and decision making (and no, Grubby doesn't scout it until 2 Zealots are running into his base). I'd say he is a Gold Level player at best.
It really shows you how important scouting is, and how powerful cheese and surprise attacks can be. So with Impa's results, I'd imagine many hackers make it into GM since even an average player like Impa is there with hacks.
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I love the replay of this guy vs Grubby on tal'darim. He proxy 2 gates w/o scouting at the right base then proceeds to STILL lose.... hes an idiot and hes awful.
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Instead of going after the accounts, why not go after the hacker himself, and KILL HIM?
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