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On May 12 2012 06:07 beg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:05 Bayyne wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. He's factoring in the Thermal Lance upgrade. it's 200 200, so 2 collossi with thermal lance still arent 800.
I love your ignorance you still need the robotics bay. Guess the Gas cost, Guess it.
Or do you think every Protoss has it anyway because of the Obvserver upgrades?
Well then Observers are pretty freaking expensive for the fact that every decent player can see them and kill them with one scan.
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Flash just said protoss is overpowered. Lol. That's really funny to me.
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On May 12 2012 06:03 Belha wrote:
Protoss op banwagon all the way! Haha, smart as always.
A bwonja's analysis who is statistically better than 99% of the TL community currently is not "banwagon". it's a gold nugget.
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Hahaha even Flash says so about TvP, it became quite obvious with the murders of SuperNova and TaeJa but still.
It's sad if he really thinks that way (ie : changing races because of balance) though.
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On May 12 2012 06:08 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:06 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. yes but you need robbotics bay and the range upgrade 200 gas each, I do not count the starport that you have anyway same as Robo itself sorry but think. What a terrible argument. By your logic it costs 250 minerals to make 2 lings. Name me one match-up where you don't get Colossi late game.
haha ya gotta love that logic! I actually lolled
How much does one BC cost? 900 minerals and 725 gas herp derp:D
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On May 12 2012 06:09 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:05 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 Severian wrote:On May 12 2012 06:02 Steglich wrote:
Now that flash says that protoss is op.
Can I finally say it too without receiving a ban? He also said Zerg was better than Terran, or are we all ignoring that bit because it doesn't fit into our narratives? he talked about zerg allins. Which as we know, are really strong against terran! -_- Terran v Zerg is at the very least balanced, at worst Terran favoured until late game. Its hard to take his balance whining seriously based on him complaining about Zerg all ins. Plus he said maruaders are good. YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE MECH, NOT DESTROY IT!
he never said zerg was OP. he said he had difficulties with zerg allins, which is understandable, cause they are really good and hard to hold. imho.
seems like you disagree. ok whatever. i see the top level zergs do allins vs T all the time. ZvT is probably the matchup where zergs cheese the most, not? it's my impression at least.
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On May 12 2012 06:08 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:06 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. yes but you need robbotics bay and the range upgrade 200 gas each, I do not count the starport that you have anyway same as Robo itself sorry but think. What a terrible argument. By your logic it costs 250 minerals to make 2 lings. Name me one match-up where you don't get Colossi late game.
disregarding the fact that then Colossi would have the same Gas cost, not less as Demuslim stated, you can not compare the most important tech building to a building that only is used for one Unit.
Yes the observer upgrade is nice but I think it is not worth it since Observers still die to one scan.
And I do get Colossi in every matchup doesn't mean the tech is for free, now does it?
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On May 12 2012 06:04 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:02 Steglich wrote:
Now that flash says that protoss is op.
Can I finally say it too without receiving a ban? He also said Zerg was better than Terran, or are we all ignoring that bit because it doesn't fit into our narratives?
so many terrible terrans in this thread thinking that an opinion on balance from a player who's played SC2 for a few weeks means anything. he also wasn't around for the 1 1/2 years that terran had a 65%+ w/r in the matchup.
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On May 12 2012 06:09 Sinensis wrote:
Flash just said protoss is overpowered. Lol. That's really funny to me.
That is kind of sad. I really hope he hadn't said that.
Probably his team mates made him do it.
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On May 12 2012 06:09 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:07 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 06:05 Bayyne wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. He's factoring in the Thermal Lance upgrade. it's 200 200, so 2 collossi with thermal lance still arent 800. I love your ignorance you still need the robotics bay. Guess the Gas cost, Guess it. Or do you think every Protoss has it anyway because of the Obvserver upgrades? Well then Observers are pretty freaking expensive for the fact that every decent player can see them and kill them with one scan.
like i said. for vikings you need a second starport and additional upgrades.
so please consider these costs too.
200 150 for the starport
525 525 for level3 attack upgrades.
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On May 12 2012 06:12 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:08 S_SienZ wrote:On May 12 2012 06:06 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. yes but you need robbotics bay and the range upgrade 200 gas each, I do not count the starport that you have anyway same as Robo itself sorry but think. What a terrible argument. By your logic it costs 250 minerals to make 2 lings. Name me one match-up where you don't get Colossi late game. disregarding the fact that then Colossi would have the same Gas cost, not less as Demuslim stated, you can not compare the most important tech building to a building that only is used for one Unit. Yes the observer upgrade is nice but I think it is not worth it since Observers still die to one scan. And I do get Colossi in every matchup doesn't mean the tech is for free, now does it?
Then include the cost of double reactored Starport, and btw that requires a Factory too.
Your whole mode of comparison is ludicrous. Don't forget, Colossi benefits from forge upgrades. Vikings don't from bio.
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On May 12 2012 06:12 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:08 S_SienZ wrote:On May 12 2012 06:06 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. yes but you need robbotics bay and the range upgrade 200 gas each, I do not count the starport that you have anyway same as Robo itself sorry but think. What a terrible argument. By your logic it costs 250 minerals to make 2 lings. Name me one match-up where you don't get Colossi late game. disregarding the fact that then Colossi would have the same Gas cost, not less as Demuslim stated, you can not compare the most important tech building to a building that only is used for one Unit. Yes the observer upgrade is nice but I think it is not worth it since Observers still die to one scan. And I do get Colossi in every matchup doesn't mean the tech is for free, now does it?
What about a fusioncore, an ultra den or even a fleet beacon?
Your argument is invalid.
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On May 12 2012 06:15 beg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:09 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 06:07 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 06:05 Bayyne wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. He's factoring in the Thermal Lance upgrade. it's 200 200, so 2 collossi with thermal lance still arent 800. I love your ignorance you still need the robotics bay. Guess the Gas cost, Guess it. Or do you think every Protoss has it anyway because of the Obvserver upgrades? Well then Observers are pretty freaking expensive for the fact that every decent player can see them and kill them with one scan. like i said. for vikings you need a second starport and additional upgrades. so please consider these costs too. 200 150 for the starport 525 525 for level3 attack upgrades.
yeah, you do not do that vs 2 Colossi or you must be pretty stupid, 8 Vikings off of 2 Starports with lvl 3 air upgrades is such an Overkill since you would destroy the Colossi in like 5 seconds instead of 5.5 with the air upgrades : )
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Yup- have to agree- playing two games at once is gonna be really hard on them. They wont be able to show super high level play in either. I hope that he still shows high level play in the OSL though!
gogo jangbi!
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On May 12 2012 06:15 Kilby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:09 Sinensis wrote:
Flash just said protoss is overpowered. Lol. That's really funny to me. That is kind of sad. I really hope he hadn't said that. Probably his team mates made him do it.
The only sad thing is that Blizzard hasn't done anything yet. Even God has had to speak out.
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On May 12 2012 06:15 Kilby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:09 Sinensis wrote:
Flash just said protoss is overpowered. Lol. That's really funny to me. That is kind of sad. I really hope he hadn't said that. Probably his team mates made him do it.
Seein how he said that "everything" is OP it was probably meant to be funny, and not taken seriously. But since a real "balance whine" from someone such as Flash would make a lot more hype/views they didn't try too much to emphasize on the fact that it was a joke.
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Well,
Flash himself said that Terran is weak and that TvP is broken. It's official.
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On May 12 2012 04:50 Dave. wrote:
"I really like Marauders and Marines. I think their micro fits my style."
Somebody put Artosis on suicide watch.
Lol wasn't Flash Artosis' favorite player in SC1? I think Artosis has a fetish over all turtle Terrans like Flash / Mind / Sea.
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On May 12 2012 06:17 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:15 Kilby wrote:On May 12 2012 06:09 Sinensis wrote:
Flash just said protoss is overpowered. Lol. That's really funny to me. That is kind of sad. I really hope he hadn't said that. Probably his team mates made him do it. The only sad thing is that Blizzard hasn't done anything yet. Even God has had to speak out.
Well, In this case god was not really in a position to say anything about it. But anyway, I don't think Boxer would've whined about it in a similar situation. 
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On May 12 2012 06:09 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 06:07 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 06:05 Bayyne wrote:On May 12 2012 06:04 beg wrote:On May 12 2012 05:56 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:46 Tippecanoe wrote:Implying hes the only pro to say that protoss was a bit too strong. Demuslim talked about it on his stream for about 5-10 minutes or so and he had really good points with real evidence. He said that Colossus tech is cheap compared to the Vikings you had to get. He stated that for 2 Colossi you need about 8 Vikings and that eats too much into your Bio. 8 Vikings = 600 Gas. 2 Colossi = 800 Gas, yeah so cheap.... you obviously need the range upgrade, or you will not force Vikings. After I heard him say that 2 Colossi cost less Gas then 6-8 Vikings I shut down the stream in anger. So I could not care less about his opinion, that is like IdrA saying Vortex is imbalanced while he INTENTIONALLY moves his entire army into one only to prove his point instead of having spread his units in the first place. collossi cost 300/200 though. sorry, but lol. He's factoring in the Thermal Lance upgrade. it's 200 200, so 2 collossi with thermal lance still arent 800. I love your ignorance you still need the robotics bay. Guess the Gas cost, Guess it. Or do you think every Protoss has it anyway because of the Obvserver upgrades? Well then Observers are pretty freaking expensive for the fact that every decent player can see them and kill them with one scan.
1 Broodlord 850 gas yes?
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