Patch 1.4.3.2 - Page 79

On May 10 2012 12:30 Danglars wrote:

As much as I know why this is included, I still laugh at the thought that Blizzard has to explicitly state when a patch doesn't change how the bunker functions!

On May 14 2012 06:21 VoO wrote:


Random Master. You need higher APM to do utilize Zerg. Terran is by far the most cheese-resistant race. Terran is the worst ladder race. That said, B doesn't balance for ladder. Ladder will always be imba, just pick the strongest race.

On May 14 2012 08:44 stevarius wrote:


You don't have to be faster to play zerg. Your APM is higher because of the mindless unit production and larva mechanic nonsense that inflates it higher than doing anything productive other than unit production. My apm is definitely higher as a zerg, but in no way am I accomplishing more than I do as Terran, even with a slightly lower apm measurement.

On May 14 2012 15:04 dreamsmasher wrote:

i dont think playing zerg is harder, it's actually easier to multitask i think because everything can be made with one hotkey and because of shared production, it's just easier to quickly f1 and grab a drone and hit R or whatever then it is to micro other types of units and build multiple barrack/gateways etc... esp since building placement is a bit more important for the other races. i also feel that losing ur units (like zerglings in the arly game, roaches mid game) is not as big of a deal as losing ur blink stalker army/marine/tank army etc..
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On May 14 2012 08:44 stevarius wrote:


You don't have to be faster to play zerg. Your APM is higher because of the mindless unit production and larva mechanic nonsense that inflates it higher than doing anything productive other than unit production. My apm is definitely higher as a zerg, but in no way am I accomplishing more than I do as Terran, even with a slightly lower apm measurement.

On May 14 2012 16:22 RogerChillingworth wrote:



dno what league you're in, but you're kind of off base across the board.

1) the demand for multitasking increases when you're the defender, and zerg often is. Simply, a terran can send a drop and not pay attention to it (qxc says he does this often, in multiple locations, to stress zergs to the limit) while he makes a more meaningful advance or expands. obviously both attacking and defending in high level play requires great multitasking, but zerg is by no means 'easier'; not to mention i think you're misusing the term.

2) zerg macro isn't 1 hotkey and 1 keyboard click. it's either individual hatcheries hotkeyed spearately, all hatcheries on 1 key and each queen hotkeyed separately, or the more rare queens in one group and hatcheries in another group. the latter isn't efficient unless you're doing backspace or minimap method, which is generally more rare and lends itself to more mistakes.

3) losing units is always a big deal for any race. the blow is only softened by being on an extremely good economy and, even then, zerg production can be more fragile given the loss of queens = the loss of production, or given larva itself is actually a resource for zerg, just as minerals or gas. Of course the fragility of larva is also its strength: inject is extremely powerful, having the access to so much production at once.

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in any case, this thread doesn't seem like it's about the patch anymore, but rather more race wars that won't find conclusion.

it's starting to be proven, however, that 2/3 of the changes were buffs to scouting--likely always welcomed--while the last change was a defensive change with very little or no ability to be abused. unless there are glaring imbalances, this thread serves as a providing of the supply for a demand that shouldn't be there at this point.

On May 15 2012 00:32 noD wrote:
I don't understand blizzard's logic ....

On May 15 2012 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Kiwikaki, is that you?

On May 15 2012 01:36 Irre wrote:
TvZ now in diamond- (this was my last 10 or so TvZs, not the best sample size but crazy how many times in a row it happened)

I am now forced into a 1 rax expand unless i want to play risky and go for 2 rax and hope to do damage. Zerg sees this by either no gas scout or checking with lings. proceeds to 2 hatch baneling bust and I die over and over.

If I try to put up walls and multiple bunkers and he doesnt do it- massively behind on tech/army/economy.. if he does do it and I don't have that I die. Even going hellion expand is really difficult to hold them. Anyone else having this experience? Is it even possible to hold a baneling all in going 1 rax expand?

Basically the patch made it so creep can be all over the place very fast, zergs have a free ticket to the standard deathball comp of ling infestor blood/ultra, and you have to be a god in the late game and get some serious damage done with drops to have a prayer to win now. I actually hope to play Protoss over zerg lately, which is really saying something considering how hard it is to win in that matchup.