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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 10 2012 08:25 GMT
#601
lol @ bunker

Blizz so sly
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Corgi Apocalypse
Profile Joined September 2011
United States89 Posts
May 10 2012 08:26 GMT
#602
On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:


But they're not the best race overall

Yeah, sure.
Attican
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark531 Posts
May 10 2012 08:26 GMT
#603
Queens are gonna look pretty funny when they attack now, it's like that glitch that makes a spine crawler attack really far because a stalker blinked away at just the right time.
NewModel
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany124 Posts
May 10 2012 08:27 GMT
#604
On May 10 2012 17:24 gondolin wrote:
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but how will it affects replay? If there is no version change, how will the client know to which subpatch the replay corresponds? By looking at the date? Or will there be a version change without the need to go through a patch process?


mhh good question. but i think it´s just another version that dont have to load a complete different patch version.
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 08:28:53
May 10 2012 08:28 GMT
#605
On May 10 2012 17:01 n0ise wrote:
i think ideally zerg should be able to defend anything with queen-only up to the 15-min mark when the t2/t3 3-base pump can begin


yeah, i think zerg should only have to make drones queens and hatcheries until they can make 15 infestors and 20 brood lords
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
May 10 2012 08:29 GMT
#606
On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:


But they're not the best race overall

Yeah, sure.

April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate.

GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8.

If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit.
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Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
May 10 2012 08:30 GMT
#607
On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:
On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:


But they're not the best race overall

Yeah, sure.

April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate.

GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8.

If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit.


Keep in mind, the only reason there were only 5 in the RO8 is they had to knock each other out. Would've been 6 at least if some of those matches weren't PvP.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 10 2012 08:31 GMT
#608
On May 10 2012 17:01 n0ise wrote:
i think ideally zerg should be able to defend anything with queen-only up to the 15-min mark when the t2/t3 3-base pump can begin

wat
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
May 10 2012 08:31 GMT
#609
On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:
On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:


But they're not the best race overall

Yeah, sure.

April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate.

GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8.

If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit.



....

ppl need to srsly stop going off of tournament winrates for balance. all it means is that the person behind the race is good, not that the race itself is considered the "best" race.
chaosfreak11
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore367 Posts
May 10 2012 08:31 GMT
#610
Mass queens is now viable
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
May 10 2012 08:31 GMT
#611
I really hope they revert the queen range back to 4 some time in the future, 5 is too much hellions should be able to kite them.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
May 10 2012 08:32 GMT
#612
On May 10 2012 17:24 Poltergeist- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 17:15 Poltergeist- wrote:
Terran still can keep map control with hellions, just not so easily directly outside a zergs natural. Currently hellions almost contain a zerg instead of just having map control.

Show nested quote +
other guy wrote
that is just not true, if the zerg is too greedy, and wont invest into some lings or roaches, he is fine with the contain.
u see many zergs, get earlie 3-5 roaches, to force the helions back.


Right, but the queen buff doesn't make any difference if the zerg is gonna go roach. People are complaining that the queen buff makes hellion openers worthless. I am just saying that it won't really make a difference (imo) except that terran just has to be more careful with hellions and can't contain so hard.


So the only difference is that things are completely different?
I think esports is pretty nice.
gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
May 10 2012 08:33 GMT
#613
the queen's buff aside, the observer buff is really... i thought one of the most fun part of playing terran is they can all sorts of openings that can surprise the opponent. But with the observer buff, protoss can scout much earlier and terrans will have no more element of surprises. There goes the banshee or helion or marine + tank opening for terran. Blizzard is limiting TVP into more n more 1 dimensional play. Its like they are still not having enough MMM
Make Love Not War
tranmillitary
Profile Joined August 2011
210 Posts
May 10 2012 08:33 GMT
#614
Every terran user isn't happy unless there's at least 50 percent Terran in the gsl, and at least 3 in the semi finals.

Funny how when there was 7 terrans outta 8 player left in the gsl, no one was complaining.

If mvp wins this gsl, it's because he's better, but if a toss wins, it's because their OP.

rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
May 10 2012 08:36 GMT
#615
I wonder how many people that complain here stated that Protoss would be unbeatable after the upgrade buff that effectively granted you an extra stalker at minute 15..

Observer Buff: I will take it, tiny little nerf to DT play and making Robo openings in PvP better in general. Maybe a little nerf to cloak banshee in TvP that should be extinct by now anyway.

Overlord movespeed Buff: Long overdue, maps got bigger and bigger making Overlords weaker and weaker as scouts, now they catch up to how it was before, sadly this means they will get out alive more often than they should, still the best approach.

Queen +2 Range: Helions and Bunker rushes will be a lot less effective now, you cannot just kill Zerg if he did not realize you're going double Rax or something and droned a little too much (because he can kill the SCVs making the Bunkers a lot easier) Helions will die a little bit faster if you rush into Zerg's base but I think that is good for the matchup.

Overall I think it will change little to nothing apart from the scouting thing.

I do not really understand why Zerg is allowed to scout a Terran base early and Protoss is not
I mean, I see a wallin at the Front with 9-scout and it could be 1-1-1 Gasless expansion or anything in between..
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
May 10 2012 08:36 GMT
#616
So,no more Banshee and Reaper openings for Terrans. Okay.
All I do is Stim.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 10 2012 08:36 GMT
#617
On May 10 2012 17:25 Nekovivie wrote:
lol @ bunker

Blizz so sly

OP added it, it was not in Blizzard's patch notes.
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
May 10 2012 08:37 GMT
#618
On May 10 2012 17:33 tranmillitary wrote:
Every terran user isn't happy unless there's at least 50 percent Terran in the gsl, and at least 3 in the semi finals.

Funny how when there was 7 terrans outta 8 player left in the gsl, no one was complaining.

If mvp wins this gsl, it's because he's better, but if a toss wins, it's because their OP.




The problem is what happened with Terran is now happening with Protoss. When this happened with Terran, we got nerfed and Protoss got buffed. Any tournament that consists of a large portion of one race is just awful to watch. Mirror matches get old.
xswishaxward
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada6 Posts
May 10 2012 08:40 GMT
#619
I love the changes Blizzard made, but honestly I think the queen range upgrade is way to strong! TvZ metagame may change drastically :0 But for 150 minerals and a 50 second build time, I think it justifies itself
Why did the Colossus keep falling over? Because it was imbalanced! ^_^
gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
May 10 2012 08:40 GMT
#620
Not to mention that the strategy of kiting the queen with 3-4 helions to minus her health, then follow up by banshees to kill the queen easier and proceed with harassing. Well it will be hard to kite the queen with helion already now so good job blizzard for making another viable tactic of T v Z goes into the drain. well done.
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