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McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
May 03 2012 00:10 GMT
#41
This is a great idea! More testing! I like this. I hope future balance changes have this sort of thing in place
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 03 2012 00:10 GMT
#42
Significant overbuff of Queens.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10101 Posts
May 03 2012 00:11 GMT
#43
On May 03 2012 09:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Why the hell did they make it 2v2? I cant test 1v1 against random people if the map is set to 2v2!


this...2v2 hahaha wtf?
i created a game in 1v1 and nowbody entered
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1775 Posts
May 03 2012 00:11 GMT
#44
Terran players utterly screwed as usual.
ROOTIllusion
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
May 03 2012 00:11 GMT
#45
queen idea too drastic.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 03 2012 00:11 GMT
#46
The queen energy upgrade is intense, wow!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Islandsnake
Profile Joined April 2009
United States679 Posts
May 03 2012 00:11 GMT
#47
Cool stuff there trying out, I hope they do this more often -- would be nice to see what kinda changes there tossing around
Bang!
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
May 03 2012 00:12 GMT
#48
50 energy does seem a bit much although I guess we'll see in testing. I'm thinking maybe slightly more energy than 25 would be a better compromise, that way they can get an earlier tumor at less cost to their larva production than they currently get.

Queens spawning with 50 energy means they come ready with a transfuse, which will make Terran and Protoss air openings much weaker when Zergs were already pretty good at handling them.
BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
May 03 2012 00:12 GMT
#49
I feel that if queens start with a transfuse, standard VR harass to zerg will be significantly changed if zerg maintains the same amount of creep spread. But that's just my guess.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
May 03 2012 00:13 GMT
#50
anyone want to play? masters zerg here pm me
banelings
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
May 03 2012 00:13 GMT
#51
Poll: Overlord change?

Agree (3535)
 
81%

Disagree (806)
 
19%

4341 total votes

Your vote: Overlord change?

(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Disagree



Poll: Queen change

Disagree (2667)
 
60%

Agree (1755)
 
40%

4422 total votes

Your vote: Queen change

(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Disagree



Poll: Observer change

Disagree (2301)
 
53%

Agree (2072)
 
47%

4373 total votes

Your vote: Observer change

(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Disagree

MMA: The true King of Wings
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 03 2012 00:14 GMT
#52
On May 03 2012 09:06 Enzymatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 09:01 Savern101 wrote:
"Protoss at the pro-level are doing well, but not at the very top of the pro-level." Eh what? 5 toss in r of 8 in GSL. GSL is the very top of Pro-level. Blizzard still not in touch. Like the zerg changes, seem cool. And I'm a T.


I'm sorry when was the last time a toss player won GSL or made any noise in the GSTL? Not only that, but Toss has been a pretty big let-down in MLG lately too.

History doesn't dictate current balance. And speaking of noise in GSTL. Every Protoss did well in the last GSTL and the end of the one before that.
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S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
May 03 2012 00:14 GMT
#53
not to mention that a queen popping out with a transfuse and TWO injects is fucking ridiculous.. if it passes zerg will be unstoppable.
UmiNotsuki
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States633 Posts
May 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#54
Just played the map. OHMYGOD SO MUCH CREEP SO FAST it made me a little uncomfortable how quick it got going.
UmiNotsuki.111 (NA), UNTReborn.932 (EU), UmiNotsuki (iCCup) -- You see that text I wrote above this? I'll betcha $5 that you disagree :D
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
May 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#55
On May 03 2012 09:12 Eufouria wrote:
50 energy does seem a bit much although I guess we'll see in testing. I'm thinking maybe slightly more energy than 25 would be a better compromise, that way they can get an earlier tumor at less cost to their larva production than they currently get.

Queens spawning with 50 energy means they come ready with a transfuse, which will make Terran and Protoss air openings much weaker when Zergs were already pretty good at handling them.



Yeah I imagine Losira to dominate the whole map on creep before 20 mins if this happens. he has imba creep spreading skills :D Setting that aside, I think this is too much;.
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Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
May 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#56
On May 03 2012 09:13 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Poll: Overlord change?

Agree (3535)
 
81%

Disagree (806)
 
19%

4341 total votes

Your vote: Overlord change?

(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Disagree



Poll: Queen change

Disagree (2667)
 
60%

Agree (1755)
 
40%

4422 total votes

Your vote: Queen change

(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Disagree



Poll: Observer change

Disagree (2301)
 
53%

Agree (2072)
 
47%

4373 total votes

Your vote: Observer change

(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Disagree



Stealing this for the OP Sarcasm. Thanks for making the polls.
An2quamaraN
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland379 Posts
May 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#57
Ok, so zerg is getting buffed...after all that zergs beating protosses so badly...
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#58
On May 03 2012 09:14 Toppp wrote:
not to mention that a queen popping out with a transfuse and TWO injects is fucking ridiculous.. if it passes zerg will be unstoppable.

Erm, 50 energy is 1 transfuse OR two injects. You also cant inject the same thing twice which nullifies its ability to inject twice.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#59
So now you can theoretically make observer faster than marines?
Littlemuff
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom301 Posts
May 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#60
At first i was sceptical about the queen energy change but i dont think it will be too bad. Look at how much creep gets destroyed by terren early pressure when the zerg has 4 queens. All this means is that the initial burst of creep will benifit the zerg but after that it all goes back to normal. Against protoss it might be benificial, but the point of it is that it helps against toss 8gate all ins when they dont have an obs. If they do, the creep benifit is negated (i understand the proxy pylon will have to be further away but atleast that will enourage more warp prism play). Though defending against early stargate might be end up being too easy as queens can move faster to the bases. This could possibly mean no one goes for it anymore.
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