Flash practicing sc2 article translation - Page 32

On May 08 2012 02:50 FlyingDike wrote:

This video is all the evidence I need to claim that BW pros are more talented than SC2 pros; unfortunately, the skill ceiling in sc2 might be a problem.

On May 08 2012 03:11 ACrow wrote:

(1) Disregarding 100s of pro player's skills, judging on 1 map:
check
(2) Questioning the skill ceiling of a rapidly developing 2-year old game which has not been reached yet:
check
(3) Calling SC2 noobish/a-movy/easy (choose other random discrimation)
not checked

Congratulations, you are almost there. Continue on your path, and you, dear sir, pass the test and deserve to call yourself a true BW elitist!

On May 08 2012 02:16 RageBot wrote:


Because maybe he didn't have fast enough fingers?
In BW, someone can know perfectly what to do in each situation, but still lose just because he isn't fast enough.
That's also why Idra thinks Stork is going to be good at SC2, he doesn't have hands as fast as the younger ones, but he has a better understanding of the game.

On May 08 2012 06:41 GolemMadness wrote:


Flash doesn't have notably high APM, and he's the greatest player of all time. Stork is considered very slow, and is one of the best protoss players ever. Yeah, you sure can't do well in Brood War unless you're the fastest player out there.

On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote:
skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference.

this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other.

/imo

On May 08 2012 07:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

Haha I still remember that WCG game where Stork's ~90 APM beat Idra's ~290 APM.

On May 08 2012 07:13 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
Here's a great video (Second part of 2, but this is the more action packed part) of Jaedong's insance speed in first person view.



Trying to find a flash fpvod but it seems that none exist.

On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote:
skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference.

this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other.

/imo

On May 08 2012 07:59 HQuality wrote:
MVP was dominating for a while before his hand let him down
other champions falling because skill gap between all top pros is not really big atm

ye u know sc2 is a different game
Skill ceiling in mechanics is lower in sc2, yes. But it's not worse, it's the main point. You can (and should) be more focused on your decision making, mind games and many other more interesting things. Wanna more mechanics than in bw? Well make the game where you not only have to clicking all your buildings, units etc basically manually, but also you have to give a name to every unit and every structure! or even more - you have to code every unit movements, in ASM! that's gonna be a better game than just scbw apparently!

On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote:
skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference.

this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other.

/imo

On May 08 2012 07:59 HQuality wrote:
MVP was dominating for a while before his hand let him down
other champions falling because skill gap between all top pros is not really big atm

ye u know sc2 is a different game
Skill ceiling in mechanics is lower in sc2, yes. But it's not worse, it's the main point. You can (and should) be more focused on your decision making, mind games and many other more interesting things. Wanna more mechanics than in bw? Well make the game where you not only have to clicking all your buildings, units etc basically manually, but also you have to give a name to every unit and every structure! or even more - you have to code every unit movements, in ASM! that's gonna be a better game than just scbw apparently!

On May 08 2012 07:53 trwkling wrote:


personally, i enjoy watching bw as much as sc2. (though i never played bw before) but this.

this is incredible. absolutely... madness

On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote:
skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference.

this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other.

/imo

On May 08 2012 05:12 Apolo wrote:


Lol... i used to think stephano had pretty fast movements, then i saw that video :D Poor steph.