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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On May 08 2012 02:50 FlyingDike wrote: This video is all the evidence I need to claim that BW pros are more talented than SC2 pros; unfortunately, the skill ceiling in sc2 might be a problem. Lol... i used to think stephano had pretty fast movements, then i saw that video :D Poor steph. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On May 08 2012 03:11 ACrow wrote: (1) Disregarding 100s of pro player's skills, judging on 1 map: check (2) Questioning the skill ceiling of a rapidly developing 2-year old game which has not been reached yet: check (3) Calling SC2 noobish/a-movy/easy (choose other random discrimation) not checked Congratulations, you are almost there. Continue on your path, and you, dear sir, pass the test and deserve to call yourself a true BW elitist! Epic. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On May 08 2012 02:16 RageBot wrote: Because maybe he didn't have fast enough fingers? In BW, someone can know perfectly what to do in each situation, but still lose just because he isn't fast enough. That's also why Idra thinks Stork is going to be good at SC2, he doesn't have hands as fast as the younger ones, but he has a better understanding of the game. Flash doesn't have notably high APM, and he's the greatest player of all time. Stork is considered very slow, and is one of the best protoss players ever. Yeah, you sure can't do well in Brood War unless you're the fastest player out there. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On May 08 2012 06:41 GolemMadness wrote: Flash doesn't have notably high APM, and he's the greatest player of all time. Stork is considered very slow, and is one of the best protoss players ever. Yeah, you sure can't do well in Brood War unless you're the fastest player out there. Haha I still remember that WCG game where Stork's ~90 APM beat Idra's ~290 APM. | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
Trying to find a flash fpvod but it seems that none exist. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other. /imo | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote: skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference. this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other. /imo I pretty much agree with this and think it will turn out to be the case unless drastic changes show up in HOTS which I have my doubts on. Lets not forget force fields or fungal growth those are pretty exciting to watch when one guys ball of marines all just die because the other player managed to click on them. Abilities like this look cool at first but then later on you realize maybe it was not such a good idea. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Haha I still remember that WCG game where Stork's ~90 APM beat Idra's ~290 APM. Did he just play chilled cause it was against a foreigner? You can't tell me he plays with that speed regularly. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:13 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: Here's a great video (Second part of 2, but this is the more action packed part) of Jaedong's insance speed in first person view. + Show Spoiler + Trying to find a flash fpvod but it seems that none exist. There are a few Flash fpvods as well as fpvods of the rest of TBLS in the TBLS FPVOD thread. A lot of great stuff in there. | ||
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trwkling
658 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:13 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: Here's a great video (Second part of 2, but this is the more action packed part) of Jaedong's insance speed in first person view. Trying to find a flash fpvod but it seems that none exist. personally, i enjoy watching bw as much as sc2. (though i never played bw before) but this. this is incredible. absolutely... madness | ||
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kituatembo
United States39 Posts
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SupeR z
United States73 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote: skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference. this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other. /imo MVP dominated for quite some time and repeatedly proved he was the best player in the world pre injury | ||
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HQuality
2682 Posts
other champions falling because skill gap between all top pros is not really big atm ye u know sc2 is a different game Skill ceiling in mechanics is lower in sc2, yes. But it's not worse, it's the main point. You can (and should) be more focused on your decision making, mind games and many other more interesting things. Wanna more mechanics than in bw? Well make the game where you not only have to clicking all your buildings, units etc basically manually, but also you have to give a name to every unit and every structure! or even more - you have to code every unit movements, in ASM! that's gonna be a better game than just scbw apparently! | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:59 HQuality wrote: MVP was dominating for a while before his hand let him down other champions falling because skill gap between all top pros is not really big atm ye u know sc2 is a different game Skill ceiling in mechanics is lower in sc2, yes. But it's not worse, it's the main point. You can (and should) be more focused on your decision making, mind games and many other more interesting things. Wanna more mechanics than in bw? Well make the game where you not only have to clicking all your buildings, units etc basically manually, but also you have to give a name to every unit and every structure! or even more - you have to code every unit movements, in ASM! that's gonna be a better game than just scbw apparently! MVP never really stopped dominating. Of course, he can't win every tournament he's been in ever, but he's been very consistent in GSL and got pretty high up in a few tournaments recently. Nestea has also done really well lately, placing high in foreigner tournaments. | ||
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trwkling
658 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote: skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference. this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other. /imo hmm (partly influenced because im currently watching a bw tvt with flash haha) would you also think its because the strategies are much more volatile in sc2? (of course no knowledge on bw lol so i guess everyone can shoot me down) its just that whenever i watch a tvt its always mech vs mech (occasionally i see a late late late game with air transitions) and a standard match up like that makes it so that both players start at an equal footing (mech) and hence the mechanics and micro show through (and so the better player wins)? Cause that's a bit like sc2 mech vs mech, but not so in mech vs bio? whilst i would also like to say, whilst yeah there are hard counters and stuff... micro does make a diff though no? yes a colossus would almost always kill bio balls but haven't we seen many times when mkp's micro prevails or something like that? would you say that that as an evidence shows that the skill ceiling of sc2 is not necessarily stagnant but just growing? i dont really know whether im putting my point through clear enough though lol.  | ||
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Maetl
United States93 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:59 HQuality wrote: MVP was dominating for a while before his hand let him down other champions falling because skill gap between all top pros is not really big atm ye u know sc2 is a different game Skill ceiling in mechanics is lower in sc2, yes. But it's not worse, it's the main point. You can (and should) be more focused on your decision making, mind games and many other more interesting things. Wanna more mechanics than in bw? Well make the game where you not only have to clicking all your buildings, units etc basically manually, but also you have to give a name to every unit and every structure! or even more - you have to code every unit movements, in ASM! that's gonna be a better game than just scbw apparently! So go or chess would then be the best games. No mechanics required, just extremely deep strategy. I mean what's the point of playing starcraft, you could just make the players carve their pieces during the game or something. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:53 trwkling wrote: personally, i enjoy watching bw as much as sc2. (though i never played bw before) but this. this is incredible. absolutely... madness yeah, JD is pretty fast, freaking hell.. i would go blind trying to do all that. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:31 fishjie wrote: skill ceiling in sc2 is much much lower because whereas in bw micro could make a unit 10x better, in sc2, it only makes it 1.2x better. there are too many hard counters, aoe, and ball vs ball fights, so mechanics dont make nearly as much difference. this is why nobody has dominated at all in sc2, its completely volatile with champions falling into code A all the time. they're all at about the same skill level and on one can really gain a leg up on the other. /imo uh. this is because people are still bad. Sorry. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On May 08 2012 05:12 Apolo wrote: Lol... i used to think stephano had pretty fast movements, then i saw that video :D Poor steph. stephano is quick... for a mortal | ||
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