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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On May 07 2012 23:28 Manni Bender wrote: If he want a challenge he plays Terran, Kid. Protoss is the A-Move race... Calling someone a kid over the internet doesn't make your point more valid or correct. Good luck on TL | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
I doubt SC2 TvP and TvZ really reward Flash's turtling playstyle. Flash should play SC2 protoss so he can turtle til he has 3-3 voidray colossi or something | ||
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pAnJayK
Switzerland56 Posts
On May 08 2012 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote: Interesting :D Interesting indeed... :D | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:20 ppshchik wrote: MMA did say that Zero will do best in SC2 amongst all BW pros in an interview. Him as a former BW pro who doesn not following the "Flash" bandwagon means something. Zero must have a good understanding of SC2. I doubt SC2 TvP and TvZ really reward Flash's turtling playstyle. Flash should play SC2 protoss so he can turtle til he has 3-3 voidray colossi or something Way to dumb down one of the best Starcraft pros. if Zero was so damn good then why was he so mediocre in BW? | ||
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501TFX
Austria345 Posts
So what made / makes Flash, Bisu, Jaedong and whoever is one of the best in BW the best? Brutal mechanics? Sharp decision-making? And how will it be transferable to SC2? Honest question here. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:30 FeelTHeBluEZ wrote: Really excited, that Flash will play SC2 (no pun against BW, it is a really great game), but what exactly made / makes him the best in BW? I don't really follow the BW scene, but would be really interested what made / makes all the A-Pros the best of the best. So what made / makes Flash, Bisu, Jaedong and whoever is one of the best in BW the best? Brutal mechanics? Sharp decision-making? And how will it be transferable to SC2? Honest question here. They win everything! But yea to address your question, they have great mechanics but that necessarily isn't the sole reason for their dominance because every SC1 pro nowadays have jaw-dropping mechanics. As always, decision making is what separate the men from the boys.. | ||
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Mongolbonjwa
Finland376 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:23 Ryps wrote: Way to dumb down one of the best Starcraft pros. if Zero was so damn good then why was he so mediocre in BW? Because BW is not SC2 Also coaches said that those who were bad at bw are now good at sc2 Flash does not neccesarily become the best. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:30 FeelTHeBluEZ wrote: Really excited, that Flash will play SC2 (no pun against BW, it is a really great game), but what exactly made / makes him the best in BW? I don't really follow the BW scene, but would be really interested what made / makes all the A-Pros the best of the best. So what made / makes Flash, Bisu, Jaedong and whoever is one of the best in BW the best? Brutal mechanics? Sharp decision-making? And how will it be transferable to SC2? Honest question here. Watch some of their games , bisu vs flash vs jaedong and u will start to notice. Still what made them so brilliant and brings so hype is the fact that they have been playing for years , they brain developed for rts, and with a really hardchore and hard one which happens to be SCII predecesor. | ||
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:23 Ryps wrote: Way to dumb down one of the best Starcraft pros. if Zero was so damn good then why was he so mediocre in BW? Being a top 3 zerg (next to JD and Soulkey) and the last MSL finalist is far from mediocre. He's definitely one of the most creative and innovative zergs with hive play ZvZ and effecitvely utilizing mass queens in every matchup. MVP also hyped up Zero before so I'm excited. Don't know why people still know Flash as the turtle terran when he is easily one of the most aggressive terrans ever. The reason he is called god is because he can do whatever he wants, whether turtling or hitting a crazy early timing push, and still win. | ||
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DeadBull
421 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:20 ppshchik wrote: MMA did say that Zero will do best in SC2 amongst all BW pros in an interview. Him as a former BW pro who doesn not following the "Flash" bandwagon means something. Zero must have a good understanding of SC2. I doubt SC2 TvP and TvZ really reward Flash's turtling playstyle. Flash should play SC2 protoss so he can turtle til he has 3-3 voidray colossi or something he said that he saw ZerO play and that he was very good. | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:30 FeelTHeBluEZ wrote: Really excited, that Flash will play SC2 (no pun against BW, it is a really great game), but what exactly made / makes him the best in BW? I don't really follow the BW scene, but would be really interested what made / makes all the A-Pros the best of the best. So what made / makes Flash, Bisu, Jaedong and whoever is one of the best in BW the best? Brutal mechanics? Sharp decision-making? And how will it be transferable to SC2? Honest question here. When Flash entered the scene he was notorious for cheesing and doing hardcore turtling TvP builds. But he stopped doing that and started to become godly in 2010 Flash is best known for his game sense and decision making. Definitions of "good mechanics" is subjective, some might say having faster handspeed is "good mechanics" whilst some say that having effective APM is "good mechanics" as well. As for handspeed, Flash is not the fastest, but FAST ENOUGH to macro efficiently. Flash is the greatest macro player in the world not because he spams unit production the fastest, but his understanding of the economy/resource distribution is second to none. I strongly recommend you to watch Flash vs MVP series in Hana Daetoo MSL ro8, to fully understand Flash's difference from the best SC2 Terran. MVP's mechanics were up to par if not faster than Flash's, but Flash's decision making was way superior than those of MVP's. People always stereotype BW pros of being better because "they are faster". Everyone have good mechanics in BW, what makes Flash / Jaedong / Bisu / Stork the best is their unparalleled strategic / tactical/ decision making and understanding. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:23 Ryps wrote: Way to dumb down one of the best Starcraft pros. if Zero was so damn good then why was he so mediocre in BW? Are you referring to a different Zero than the rest of the world? | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:40 calvinL wrote: Being a top 3 zerg (next to JD and Soulkey) and the last MSL finalist is far from mediocre. He's definitely one of the most creative and innovative zergs with hive play ZvZ and effecitvely utilizing mass queens in every matchup. MVP also hyped up Zero before so I'm excited. Don't know why people still know Flash as the turtle terran when he is easily one of the most aggressive terrans ever. The reason he is called god is because he can do whatever he wants, whether turtling or hitting a crazy early timing push, and still win. Well he was a turtle terrian when sc2 came out. Alot of ppl stooped following BW after that. | ||
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:30 FeelTHeBluEZ wrote: Really excited, that Flash will play SC2 (no pun against BW, it is a really great game), but what exactly made / makes him the best in BW? I don't really follow the BW scene, but would be really interested what made / makes all the A-Pros the best of the best. So what made / makes Flash, Bisu, Jaedong and whoever is one of the best in BW the best? Brutal mechanics? Sharp decision-making? And how will it be transferable to SC2? Honest question here. their ability to micro 2-3 different areas while macroing flawlessly. this is an insane game bisu vs jaedong showing a first person view of bisu playing. | ||
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:43 Tabbris wrote: Well he was a turtle terrian when sc2 came out. Alot of ppl stooped following BW after that. Make that a year before SC2 came out (in 2010) and you would've been right. Late 2009, he changed his style a lot and its funny how people comment on styles when they probably haven't seen more than 10 BW progames in their life. | ||
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solidONE
United States160 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:23 Ryps wrote: Way to dumb down one of the best Starcraft pros. if Zero was so damn good then why was he so mediocre in BW? Since when was Zero mediocre at BW? He's an S class player and can beat anyone in the world and has. I don't call that mediocre | ||
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:23 Ryps wrote: Way to dumb down one of the best Starcraft pros. if Zero was so damn good then why was he so mediocre in BW? Zero mediocre?....... Flash playing SC2 is awesome and all, but I'm very excited to see how the other A-Teamers do as well. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 08 2012 01:20 ppshchik wrote: MMA did say that Zero will do best in SC2 amongst all BW pros in an interview. Him as a former BW pro who doesn not following the "Flash" bandwagon means something. Zero must have a good understanding of SC2. I doubt SC2 TvP and TvZ really reward Flash's turtling playstyle. Flash should play SC2 protoss so he can turtle til he has 3-3 voidray colossi or something Turtly? Standard response to 2 hatch lurker: OH SHI-, 2 bunkers, ebay, turrets, save scans and range upgrade or siege mode. Flash's response: I AIN'T AFRAID OF NO LURKERS!!! On May 08 2012 01:55 solidONE wrote: Since when was Zero mediocre at BW? He's an S class player and can beat anyone in the world and has. I don't call that mediocre Zero only really has close to S-class TvZ, and he was completely outclassed by Flash who was on painkillers at the time and didn't even bother to use vessels. | ||
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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