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It's with great pleasure today I announce the newest member of the ESV Mapmaking Team, JackyPrime formerly of Crux and one of the GSL's top mapmakers!
This is a very big moment for the mapmaking scene, as this represents the first Korean mapmaker to leave a Korean team for a Non-Korean one! JackyPrime first approached us to join as he wanted to be more in tune with the Non-Korean scene, as well as interact more with mapmakers from all over the world (as the ESV Mapmaking Team is scattered all around the globe).
After a very short negotiation process, JackyPrime is now ESV.Jacky! I speak for the whole ESV Mapmaking Team when I say this is a very major moment in mapmaking history, and each and every member of ESV is beyond excited to work with Jacky! I have been a very big fan of his work since all the way back in the beta of Starcraft II, and am so pleased to have this great addition to our team.
With the addition of Jacky, I feel ESV is now the most global, complete, and skilled mapmaking team in the world, and will stop at nothing to keep up the work everyone has come to expect from us!
Note: Jacky is currently away, but I will be hosting a very short interview with him about joining ESV and put it here as soon as it's ready! So make sure and check back!
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Interesting... I wonder if his influence will rub off on other ESV guys.
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oh sick! this is the guy that made daybreak and taldarim right? 
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On April 17 2012 08:39 GenesisX wrote:oh sick! this is the guy that made daybreak and taldarim right?
That's WinparkPrime and LSPrime.
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Those are the 4 maps he made? (well other then crossfire which was a blizzard map unles I am mistaken) Oh man I hated all 4 of those lol  .
Congratulations though, hope to see some good maps soon :D
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All aboard!!!!!!
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Going to be sweet. With a good testing ground like the weekly, and some great colleagues I can't wait to see his work as an ESV member.
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I like Jacky. He's a cool dude.
I think. I haven't met the guy so I'm only speaking about my interactions with him in my dreams.
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So glad to be working with JackyPrime! ESV so gosu =)
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awesome, glad to see ESV expanding!
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On April 17 2012 08:39 Megakenny wrote:
Interesting... I wonder if his influence will rub off on other ESV guys.
I hope so! I am a fan of Jacky's style and I can't wait to work with him.
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As a terran turtler, I love him.
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On April 17 2012 08:39 GenesisX wrote:oh sick! this is the guy that made daybreak and taldarim right?
The creator of that maps are WinparPrime and LSPrime. Jacky did only the maps in he OP. But its still a giant news.
Gratz to ESV and Jacky for this deal. Hope well get more great maps this way.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
are/were these mapmakers on the Prime Clan? they seem to have the prime tag, hahaha
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On April 17 2012 08:40 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 08:39 GenesisX wrote:oh sick! this is the guy that made daybreak and taldarim right? That's WinparkPrime and LSPrime.
oic. I thought the maps in the OP were just ESV ones lol.
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HYPETRAIN is right. Glad to have him aboard :D
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Aren't those four maps generally considered not good?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
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On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
Does it matter Puma or JYP are Koreans?
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I don't think his maps have been the most balanced of the GSL map pool but they are still pretty iconic maps, and I doubt its easy to get into the GSL map pool to begin with!
GL the ESV.Jacky and ESV 
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On April 17 2012 08:49 Dexington wrote:
Aren't those four maps generally considered not good?
Uhh, they aren't perfect, but they've been good enough to make it into the best starcraft 2 tournament in the world. As gameplay evolved and a ton of games were played on them they became outdated, but that doesn't mean his work isn't outstanding.
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On April 17 2012 08:43 opterown wrote:
are/were these mapmakers on the Prime Clan? they seem to have the prime tag, hahaha
According to Jacky's Twitter, yep, he is.
Congrats!
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
Oh man, good to see ESV getting some additional members. Hopefully both he and the rest of the team will push each other to make even better maps. Best wishes to Jacky and ESV!
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woot woot, gz diamond
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On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
Just like joining a playing team being part of a map making team means they'll be sharing their ideas and helping one another out with their maps.
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I think about Jacky Chan everytime I hear his name.
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I don't love crossfire or calm before the storm but the others are good maps. It is great what ESV are doing for SC2 like all of the maps in particular cloud kingdom are just awesome.
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On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
I think the big thing is that he now has the Korean Weekly to act as a proving ground for his maps. Like you said though, race is unimportant.
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I actually liked Crevasse a lot, especially in TvT where I saw a lot of positioning battles reminiscent of BW. It's a shame that that map isn't in the map pool anymore, but I really enjoyed a lot of the games on it since the terrain forces players to play more positional than they would be on other maps.
I really look forward to seeing what JackyPrime can do on ESV.
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Canada1637 Posts
On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
I think its more about his history and how many of his maps have been used extensively in GSL? Its not like ESV didn't make an announcement when Ironman (maker of Ohana, and others) joined their team.
Although I can't count how many times when people talked about tournaments using new maps etc, people reference BW and say only Koreans can make good maps etc. This is just another example of the foreign scene and korean scene working towards becoming more of a global community, which I'd say is a good thing .
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I love all the maps hes made and I can't wait to see what else he can come up with!
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Congrats!
I have experienced Jacky as an extremely nice person who wants to interact with the foreign mapmakers and learn every day. Also his English is pretty damn good for a Korean!
On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
Well once Korea gets serious about SC2 and all the BW mapmakers come over and an organization like Kespa is in place, Koreans may get the monopole for mapmaking pretty quickly....
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So the one who made all the bad GSL maps? That's kind of funny. I wonder what the terms of him leaving Crux were.
That being said, GL to Jacky, glad to see some mixing of kr-foreign in the mapping scene
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On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
You'd think having someone embedded in the Korean scene (with what looks like a direct line to the GSL) would be a great thing for an international map making team
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iNcontroL
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Awesome news!!! ESVs map making team has done great work so far I can't wait to see what Jacky can bring to the team! I've been a big fan of his for quite sometime now! :D
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
I loved Crevasse, but damn the other 3 are terrible. Even so, its an awesome pickup, ESV continue on their march to world map domination.
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Those maps weren't the best (One was a copy of Peaks of Baekdu) but it takes a lot of time and dedication to make awesome maps. Awesome news to have mapmakers in the SC2 news instead of the usual drama shitstorm.
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Hooooly crap this is HUUUUUUGE.
Expect God-Tier Maps from ESV now.
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grats
I really hate his maps though lol >>
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He made calm before the storm?
FUCK YEAH lol
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On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
Does it actually matter if people live in a house together playing Starcraft? Don't you have to connect online to play with each other anyway?
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next map
Calm before calm LE
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Crevasse was good, Crossfire a remake (and horrible), Xel'Naga Fortress was decent and Protoss Paradise has rightfully only survived one GSL season. But whatever, LSPrime made not only Tal'Darim Altar, he also made Dual Sight. So, I'm looking forward to the new creation we'll get to see.
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Diamond, y so good?
Keep it up man, your team does incredible things.
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off topic but i rly like ohana, who made that map?
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Canada1637 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:01 mTwTT1 wrote:
off topic but i rly like ohana, who made that map?
Ironman.
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On April 17 2012 09:26 iNcontroL wrote:
Interesting!
Indeed.
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Really amazing news! Congrats Jacky and ESV! :D
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I had to chuckle when I saw which of the Prime maps were by Jacky. They are the most imbalanced ones, of course. Regardless, Jacky is an excellent map maker.
For the record, Crossfire SE is based on Sin Peaks of Baekdu, and not Peaks of Baekdu. 
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His maps were considered good at the time, and CbtS was an experiment. Judge based on what he shows you in the future, methinks :D
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Granted his maps may have not been the best, or the most accepted, but many of his maps have been around for a while, and crossfire has been an iconic map for quite some time. Overall, he's a knowledgeable map-maker with a lot of talent under his belt.
While foreign pro players can get along with korean players in person and at tournaments, it's nice to see (for once) a korean map-maker take his time to associate with foreign map-makers and befriend them, work with them, and share mapping skills with them.
For many of us, whether we are players, spectators, mappers, organizers, or pro players, we may not get the chance to actually work with a korean who's been there through broodwar. As corny as it may sound for many people, it's quite an honor and a pleasure to finally be associated with a korean at close-hand, and it's why I am very excited to be working with Jacky on future projects. Whether the future maps are good or bad, making a map with one of the better mappers out there is a dream come true
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On April 17 2012 15:28 IronManSC wrote:Granted his maps may have not been the best, or the most accepted, but many of his maps have been around for a while, and crossfire has been an iconic map for quite some time. Overall, he's a knowledgeable map-maker with a lot of talent under his belt. While foreign pro players can get along with korean players in person and at tournaments, it's nice to see (for once) a korean map-maker take his time to associate with foreign map-makers and befriend them, work with them, and share mapping skills with them. For many of us, whether we are players, spectators, mappers, organizers, or pro players, we may not get the chance to actually work with a korean who's been there through broodwar. As corny as it may sound for many people, it's quite an honor and a pleasure to finally be associated with a korean at close-hand, and it's why I am very excited to be working with Jacky on future projects. Whether the future maps are good or bad, making a map with one of the better mappers out there is a dream come true
here here =]
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At first i thought this was great, but then I saw the maps he made. Men do those 4 maps suck.
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iNcontroL
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On April 17 2012 10:21 FreudianTrip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them? Does it actually matter if people live in a house together playing Starcraft? Don't you have to connect online to play with each other anyway?
he isn't moving into a house with them.. and the comparison is weak because it is widely considered hugely beneficial to live with teammates.
Being on the same team as someone has competitive advantages. Having them explained to me from the map maker perspective was great and educational. The people who tried to take this opportunity to be a dick or w/e were funny
you get quoted cause yours was by far the worst. congrats!
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Awesome news.
On a side note, to all those bashing his maps, when is the last time you made something good enough for GSL to put into their tournament?
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This is really exciting, very cool to see Korean and "rest of the world" work together with maps!!
Even though he hasnt made the very best maps, I am sure both Jackie will develope in ESV, just as ESV will develope together with jackie.
I am sure ESV will make alott of new and great maps in the future, they got so much talent!
ESV fighting~
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On April 17 2012 15:57 iNcontroL wrote:
Being on the same team as someone has competitive advantages. Having them explained to me from the map maker perspective was great and educational.
To maybe explain this more in depth as it's all too easy to forget not everyone knows this stuff as someone in the mapmaking scene, a team in mapmaking has many benefits. For example there is the being able to interact with your teammates and bounce ideas off of at any time. Very much like a pro player, the ability to message anyone at will and say "hey look at this mineral formation I'm trying?" or "what do you think of this natural layout?" and get a greatly varied response (as the ESV team is quite large) is huge.
Also on other things, there is things ESV does that no one else just does. I personally negotiate with tournaments for our map use (which is just more or less arguing about load screens), talk to their admins about any concerns or questions, and just generally fill the role of a general team manager (very much like Evoli for EG, just no clan wars or travel). These are things on other teams the mapmaker has to deal with as they have no one filling this role, and often leads to confusion and just not perfect scenario's to create a perfect environment to make maps.
For a perfect example with Dreamhack recently. The main admin was very interested in new maps and just maps in general and I have spent probably about 10-20 hours on Skype with him discussing stuff while my mapmakers can do their thing. Again on other teams this would be Jacky's responsibility or the mapper in question.
More then anything however, the closed off team Skype discussions is worth it alone. You can see it's effects if you look close. ESV maps tend to share similar traits ( recognize the third/fourth's? ) and often concepts form one leak over to another. You can even see the effects with teams like TPW for example, who's maps aesthetically are a level beyond everyone else's and have been ever since they teamed up.
While teams may not offer the traditional benefits a player receives like salary, benefits, travel, etc, it offers a canvas to paint your picture (make your map) onto, but the canvas responds back and lets you know when you are making a mistake . Also in the future when a big sponsor realizes they can get in almost every tournament on the planet by sponsoring mapmakers, team will become VERY important.
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Congratulations! Big Signing!
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I think it would be apropiate if Wolf would ask the questions in the first interview with jacky. I belive he has many questions regarding Crossfire.
P.S. I'm just joking :D he makes awesome maps! Congratz on both sides of the deal.
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Good to see him go to ESV's mapmaking team. I like his maps except Crossfire. I also wish Xel Naga Fortress lasted longer in GSL.
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Jacky is awesome.
To this day, Crevasse is probably the most inspiring map I have ever seen. And I have probably seen thousands by now :D
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SICK pickup. gogo ESV :-D
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Nice for you! No difference for us, I hope! Keep up the great work.
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Some of my favourite maps, nice and hope to see more awesome stuff from him now he's part of a team of mappers.
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Canada1169 Posts
HOOOLY, WOAH. Grats ESV
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I'm not really sure if some people in here understand that he didn't really make Crossfire. It was a remake of a BW map that Blizzard made, and Jacky only made some slight changes to make it viable in GSL.
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On April 17 2012 15:57 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 10:21 FreudianTrip wrote:On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them? Does it actually matter if people live in a house together playing Starcraft? Don't you have to connect online to play with each other anyway? he isn't moving into a house with them.. and the comparison is weak because it is widely considered hugely beneficial to live with teammates. Being on the same team as someone has competitive advantages. Having them explained to me from the map maker perspective was great and educational. The people who tried to take this opportunity to be a dick or w/e were funny you get quoted cause yours was by far the worst. congrats!
Sorry man, dumb questions get dumb answers. My question was clearly rhetorical. Just as there are advantages to team-mates living together there are also advantages of someone from a different scene participating within the larger conversation that is map-making at ESV.
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ESV doing good shit. Keep it up yo!
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Hope you guys keep up the sexy ass maps, some of the best multiplayer maps for any games in terms of balance and community response i have ever seen!
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On April 17 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
Does it actually matter if a person is on a korean or non korean map making team? Don't maps from both the non korean and korean world kinda get used indesrimant to the race of the person who made them?
It used to be that the only way you could get maps into GSL was if you could talk to Mr. Chae directly, ideally in Korean (he has mentioned many times the language barrier was a big reason as to why he didn't affiliate with "foreign" map teams so maybe a year ago this would have been true, but not anymore. We've come a long way since then
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Sweden33719 Posts
I actually really liked Crevasse a lot~_~
Hate hate hate crossfire, ambivalent towards the other two.
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Australia18228 Posts
On April 21 2012 17:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I actually really liked Crevasse a lot~_~
Hate hate hate crossfire, ambivalent towards the other two.
What was GSL's reasoning for taking out Crevasse?
Looking at the maps, Calm Before the Storm just looks like an attempted revamp of Crevasse.
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Gratz!
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now make fewer resource per base
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This is good news :D Excited to see ESV growing like this! You guys are important in making the ladder and tournament map pool better!
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Looking forward to seeing his new maps on the Korean Weekly.
I also can't help but wonder if this will improve the chances of seeing ESV maps in Proleague, whenever that starts up.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 21 2012 17:43 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 17:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I actually really liked Crevasse a lot~_~
Hate hate hate crossfire, ambivalent towards the other two. What was GSL's reasoning for taking out Crevasse? Looking at the maps, Calm Before the Storm just looks like an attempted revamp of Crevasse.
A bit good for terran, tho I think making it cross only would solve a lot.
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He makes excellent maps, great pick up!
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EPT
