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On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of.
Free speech laws exist to protect a diversity of opinions. The problem with your ideas is that "class" is arbitrarily defined. A law like the one you are described would force the government's definition of "class" on the whole population. This is unacceptable because it opens the door for the government to start defining whether anything is acceptable. Government shouldn't tell you that you can't practice certain religions or have certain political beliefs.
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I think people should think about the shit they post and what kind of impression people will have of the community if all these kids support cyber dickery.
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And this is why we want to have good moderation systems *coughown3dcough*
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Canada13389 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:27 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:26 ZeromuS wrote:On March 31 2012 11:23 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:21 Zennith wrote:
I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise? freedom of speech is important. so should trolls doing everything they can to harm someone's reputation, finance and emotion be allowed with no consequences? intentional trolling with means to do damage, isn't freedom of speech. Freedom of speech, In my opinion, is very different from being a sexist person on the internet moving into directed personal comments towards a specific woman publicly. Its ok to say and think what you want, but when that starts to infringe upon others rights its not ok. No one was saying freedom of speech for Orb and the N word so no one should be saying freedom of speech for this guy and his use of the C word. Actually, plenty of people were arguing that they didn't care what orb called people on the ladder.
If you look at the ratio of "this is stupid, he didn't do anything wrong" between the two situations you'll see most people supporting sexual harassment and most people denigrating racism. This seems so backwards to me.
2 weeks ago the community seemed to be up in arms about being positive and improving ourselves. We can't allow such terrible things to be said and gone unpunished. We were getting frustrated at the FGC for the sexist remarks going on in their community, then we reacted to Orb trying to make sure that the SC2 community was very mature etc etc. This week "Jessica being Jessica!". Almost like a leave it to beaver attitude the moment someone is being sexist. Its ok because a woman is being called terrible things over the internet in a specific, guided and pointed manner. But using a Racist term to insult someone who may or may not have dark skin is totally wrong. Right?
Women don't need respect we're on the internet she should get off of this masculine, male dominated insular online world. That's what a lot of these reactions say to me.
Do I agree that suing the guy is going a little far? Perhaps. But I react to this in the same way I felt firing orb for something he had done in the past and was trying to change was going a little too far. But she is taking the steps she can to deal with something that in Korea is a serious thing. Online harassment is serious and since this was a specific attack on Jessica I don't admonish her for trying to show that this kind of thing isn't OK. She doesn't have any other recourse to make a point beyond a civil suit.
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On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:
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If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist.
See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it?
is it the right thing to do? thats up to the individual
should the government be able to throw a blanket statement like that? definently not
should i be punished over my use of vocabulary? depends on the situation, if i was cussing in a kindergarden obviously that shouldnt happen, but there are no kindergardners on the internet, if there on the internet watching SC2 then either there parent are fail or there old enough to be exposed to the internet
Jessica is an adult, she shouldnt be wining that someone called her a name shes too old for that it sounds to me that shes just after the publicity and easy money by suing this guy
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On March 31 2012 11:33 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:23 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:21 Zennith wrote:
I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise? freedom of speech is important. so should trolls doing everything they can to harm someone's reputation, finance and emotion be allowed with no consequences? intentional trolling with means to do damage, isn't freedom of speech. sometimes i get the feeling some of the Americans are so brainwashed with the whole freedom of speech, that every excrement that comes out in form of toughts from their brains is considered valid, and you don't actually have to think before you speak, because even if you are so bloody wrong, you have the right to be wrong. which is false. there was a discussion on TL similiar to this one, where guy from Scandinavia that lived on both continents analyzed the situation and said it fascinated him how in Europe kids are thought to be critical in thinking, while in the States everything is so emphasized on the individual, kids just grow up thinking every aspect of their individuality is so precious that they are actually rewarded for having a stance on something, no matter true or false.
Yes, anyone that disagrees with your point of view is "brainwashed."
And no, that's not how it works. It has nothing to do with the States, nor does it have anything to do with me thinking that I'm 100% right on the matter. My "toughts" on the matter have nothing to do with brainwashing, the fact that you can be sent to prison over hurting someone's feelings just doesn't make sense to me.
Besides, where do you even set a cut-off for this type of thing? How "bad" a certain remark/comment is would be almost entirely arbitrary. Once again, can I tell someone to "fuck off" on the internet? How about call them X? What about Y?
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Northern Ireland25148 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:33 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:23 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:21 Zennith wrote:
I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise? freedom of speech is important. so should trolls doing everything they can to harm someone's reputation, finance and emotion be allowed with no consequences? intentional trolling with means to do damage, isn't freedom of speech. sometimes i get the feeling some of the Americans are so brainwashed with the whole freedom of speech, that every excrement that comes out in form of toughts from their brains is considered valid, and you don't actually have to think before you speak, because even if you are so bloody wrong, you have the right to be wrong. which is false. there was a discussion on TL similiar to this one, where guy from Scandinavia that lived on both continents analyzed the situation and said it fascinated him how in Europe kids are thought to be critical in thinking, while in the States everything is so emphasized on the individual, kids just grow up thinking every aspect of their individuality is so precious that they are actually rewarded for having a stance on something, no matter true or false.
Exactly, just because you can say something doesn't necessarily mean it's worth saying. It's a cliché for sure, but one with validity.
Youtube comments are worthless, streamchats are worthless, hell even half of TL threads are worthless because of attention whores who think every utterance that they release is somehow incredibly profound.
I'm not an elitist by any means, people are entitled to their views but should just take a little more discretion in putting them out there. It can get extremely frustrating when you see experts in a field slaughtered by complete morons. I recall Thorzain getting bashed by a succession of platinum players in some thread, I mean the pros are noticeably less active in here of late and I think this is part of the reason why.
Potentially cool platforms of interaction between the public/laymen and the professionals was one of the things I loved about this community, but they're becoming closed off precisely because of the kind of asinine behaviour this thread was created to discuss. Hope you 'trolls' enjoy it when the pros just lay low and don't communicate with the fans bar occasionally giving formulaic interviews like we see in the vast majority of professional sports.
Incidentally, when did trolling move from a witty, often humourous but harmless activity into the realms of 'herp derp I'll abuse him, you mad bro?' fucking idiocy?
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You know what, I'm actually perfectly fine with this.
Knowing how critical Korean culture is, and how negatively people can react from seemingly harmless insults, I'm okay with this. If this was a thread about how cyber insults forced a random teen to commit suicide or something, everyone would be up in arms against cyber bullying and the like. But since it's Jessica, she's overreacting.
Yes, she's prone to overreacting. Yes, in our eyes, she's overreacting. Different culture, different person. We can't know how the insults in chat affect her mindset, or affect SlayerS players.
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On March 31 2012 11:39 Wolvmatt. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, .These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. Free speech laws exist to protect a diversity of opinions. The problem with your ideas is that "class" is arbitrarily defined. A law like the one you are described would force the government's definition of "class" on the whole population. This is unacceptable because it opens the door for the government to start defining whether anything is acceptable. Government shouldn't tell you that you can't practice certain religions or have certain political beliefs.
Good thing that's not what's happening.
You are not allowed to constantly insult someone "to their face" anywhere, as far as I'm aware of. It's not a right, it's not a good thing, and it's not a "slippery slope".
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On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words.
That's the thing though. Words are not harmless. If I call some gay teen names for years on end do you really think they will be so harmless? I don't know how you could possibly have this opinion unless you are a 13 year old who loves doing this sort of crap. Kinda sad that people care so little these days. I wish our society frowned on that crap a lot more.
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On March 31 2012 11:39 Wolvmatt. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. Free speech laws exist to protect a diversity of opinions. The problem with your ideas is that "class" is arbitrarily defined. A law like the one you are described would force the government's definition of "class" on the whole population. This is unacceptable because it opens the door for the government to start defining whether anything is acceptable. Government shouldn't tell you that you can't practice certain religions or have certain political beliefs.
But the government should punish you when you do stupid shit. And make you learn your lesson so you have better class. If you don't want to be punished try to at least act like you have class. Fix all sorts of problems.
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On March 31 2012 11:37 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:33 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:23 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:21 Zennith wrote:
I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise? freedom of speech is important. so should trolls doing everything they can to harm someone's reputation, finance and emotion be allowed with no consequences? intentional trolling with means to do damage, isn't freedom of speech. sometimes i get the feeling some of the Americans are so brainwashed with the whole freedom of speech, that every excrement that comes out in form of toughts from their brains is considered valid, and you don't actually have to think before you speak, because even if you are so bloody wrong, you have the right to be wrong. which is false. there was a discussion on TL similiar to this one, where guy from Scandinavia that lived on both continents analyzed the situation and said it fascinated him how in Europe kids are thought to be critical in thinking, while in the States everything is so emphasized on the individual, kids just grow up thinking every aspect of their individuality is so precious that they are actually rewarded for having a stance on something, no matter true or false. A TL user from Scandinavia. Sounds like a bloody expert to me. I think you could read over your own words, and perhaps learn about yourself from yourself.
except i didn't make an argument in that post what so ever, except that i mocked the whole "freedom of speech" mentality that is going on for 30 pages or so. in fact, this is original quote that i replied to
On March 31 2012 11:21 Zennith wrote:
I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise?
and if you claim that trollings/insulting/harassing on the internet is freedom of speech, well, i'm kinda dissapointed in you. i was actually your fanboy from other threads. 
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On March 31 2012 11:40 Blasterion wrote:
I think people should think about the shit they post and what kind of impression people will have of the community if all these kids support cyber dickery.
Because not believing in suing someone for saying mean things = I support saying mean things?
I don't think so.
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On March 31 2012 11:40 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:33 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:23 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:21 Zennith wrote:
I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise? freedom of speech is important. so should trolls doing everything they can to harm someone's reputation, finance and emotion be allowed with no consequences? intentional trolling with means to do damage, isn't freedom of speech. sometimes i get the feeling some of the Americans are so brainwashed with the whole freedom of speech, that every excrement that comes out in form of toughts from their brains is considered valid, and you don't actually have to think before you speak, because even if you are so bloody wrong, you have the right to be wrong. which is false. there was a discussion on TL similiar to this one, where guy from Scandinavia that lived on both continents analyzed the situation and said it fascinated him how in Europe kids are thought to be critical in thinking, while in the States everything is so emphasized on the individual, kids just grow up thinking every aspect of their individuality is so precious that they are actually rewarded for having a stance on something, no matter true or false. Exactly, just because you can say something doesn't necessarily mean it's worth saying. It's a cliché for sure, but one with validity. Youtube comments are worthless, streamchats are worthless, hell even half of TL threads are worthless because of attention whores who think every utterance that they release is somehow incredibly profound. I'm not an elitist by any means, people are entitled to their views but should just take a little more discretion in putting them out there. It can get extremely frustrating when you see experts in a field slaughtered by complete morons. I recall Thorzain getting bashed by a succession of platinum players in some thread, I mean the pros are noticeably less active in here of late and I think this is part of the reason why. Potentially cool platforms of interaction between the public/laymen and the professionals was one of the things I loved about this community, but they're becoming closed off precisely because of the kind of asinine behaviour this thread was created to discuss. Hope you 'trolls' enjoy it when the pros just lay low and don't communicate with the fans bar occasionally giving formulaic interviews like we see in the vast majority of professional sports. Incidentally, when did trolling move from a witty, often humourous but harmless activity into the realms of 'herp derp I'll abuse him, you mad bro?' fucking idiocy?
Wow, I don't mean to double post but this is such an excellent post I have to quote it. Especially the last part, when the hell did trolling become just random insults, and youmadbros? People just spew out stuff, then when they get called out on it, they were "trolling"?
*sigh*
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On March 31 2012 11:39 Wolvmatt. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. Free speech laws exist to protect a diversity of opinions. The problem with your ideas is that "class" is arbitrarily defined. A law like the one you are described would force the government's definition of "class" on the whole population. This is unacceptable because it opens the door for the government to start defining whether anything is acceptable. Government shouldn't tell you that you can't practice certain religions or have certain political beliefs.
No, the problem is not arbitration, since there is no definite measure anyway. Only different schools of thought. The social system right now, or even any law is not more or less arbitrary than, let's say anarchism. It is only the current consensus.
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On March 31 2012 11:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:[quote] Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? is it the right thing to do? thats up to the individual should the government be able to throw a blanket statement like that? definently not should i be punished over my use of vocabulary? depends on the situation, if i was cussing in a kindergarden obviously that shouldnt happen, but there are no kindergardners on the internet, if there on the internet watching SC2 then either there parent are fail or there old enough to be exposed to the internet Jessica is an adult, she shouldnt be wining that someone called her a name shes too old for that it sounds to me that shes just after the publicity and easy money by suing this guy
she specifically said this was a re-occuring problem and wanted to act upon it to stop. so i think for money and publicity isn't exactly it...
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On March 31 2012 11:40 Flonomenalz wrote:
You know what, I'm actually perfectly fine with this.
Knowing how critical Korean culture is, and how negatively people can react from seemingly harmless insults, I'm okay with this. If this was a thread about how cyber insults forced a random teen to commit suicide or something, everyone would be up in arms against cyber bullying and the like. But since it's Jessica, she's overreacting.
Yes, she's prone to overreacting. Yes, in our eyes, she's overreacting. Different culture, different person. We can't know how the insults in chat affect her mindset, or affect SlayerS players.
Exactly. If she killed herself because of those exact words everyone would be saying completely different things. This stuff shouldnt be cool no matter what.
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Does anyone know how this suit will actually work on a legal level in SK? In the US, this headline would mean Jessica's attorneys have filed a complaint in some jurisdiction (probable a federal court). This suit would also go absolutely nowhere in the US; you might have some slander claim, but damages would be a nightmare to prove. + Show Spoiler +damages are the $ you are suing for. So, if bill defrauds me of $10k, I could sue him for $10k in damages(probably more, but not relevant here) based on his stealing $10 from me. Generally the person filing the lawsuit (the plaintiff) has to prove damages. You cant just sue and say 'man, bill did some stuff to me and it sucked! So he should give me some money!'
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On March 31 2012 11:40 Flonomenalz wrote:
You know what, I'm actually perfectly fine with this.
Knowing how critical Korean culture is, and how negatively people can react from seemingly harmless insults, I'm okay with this. If this was a thread about how cyber insults forced a random teen to commit suicide or something, everyone would be up in arms against cyber bullying and the like. But since it's Jessica, she's overreacting.
Yes, she's prone to overreacting. Yes, in our eyes, she's overreacting. Different culture, different person. We can't know how the insults in chat affect her mindset, or affect SlayerS players.
if someone is so mentally fragile that a few insults can shatter there state of mind then what are they even doing on the internet to being with?
13 year old kids know that the internet is full of smack, considering Jessicas position she should know exactly what the internet is like and shes in the position to completely ignore it as well, its not like her job is the moderate chat she doesnt ahve to be reading it if she doesnt like what they say
imagine if iNcontrol sued everyone who called him bad
Exactly. If she killed herself because of those exact words everyone would be saying completely different things. This stuff shouldnt be cool no matter what.
they might say it, but jsut as many wouldnt mean it, the people here arguing about how jessica is overreacting would also say the teen way overreacted but would too worried about the obvious community backlash to actually say it
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