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On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:
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If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist.
See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? Do you all consider the consequences of supporting cyber dickery as a community when you open your mouth at all? ( or typing shit on a forum in this case)
Best save your breath, asking the TL community to respect women only works if it's still okay to treat them less than human. This is nothing new, try to take a peek at almost all the threads that attempt to be supportive of women here on TL, more than half the posts does nothing but attack them. No difference here. It's just a general trend here on TL when it comes to women.
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On March 31 2012 11:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:[quote] Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? is it the right thing to do? thats up to the individual should the government be able to throw a blanket statement like that? definently not should i be punished over my use of vocabulary? depends on the situation, if i was cussing in a kindergarden obviously that shouldnt happen, but there are no kindergardners on the internet, if there on the internet watching SC2 then either there parent are fail or there old enough to be exposed to the internet Jessica is an adult, she shouldnt be wining that someone called her a name shes too old for that it sounds to me that shes just after the publicity and easy money by suing this guy
Yes she is, so she has every right to hammer some education on how to have class into a kid that apparently lack anyform of class at all.
well her actions aside, maybe too severe still
Cyber defamation should be shunned, I don't agree with it, because I have class. And I believe the image of the community will be improved if we stand against it as well.
Whether Jessica's actions are proper is another topic.
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On March 31 2012 10:30 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:28 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 10:27 Medrea wrote:
Besides when did sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me stop being relevant?
Do they not teach korean children this? they teach korean children better values than empty sayings that you can use to exhonorate yourself from any responsibility later on. instead of looking down on korean culture (which you very obviously do), you should learn from it. Sounds like a lawyers heaven over there in Korea.
Likewise, sounds like you know nothing about being a lawyer or Korean culture.
That saying is also possibly the stupidest saying in the world. Words are infinitely more powerful than sticks and stones. If there is sexual harassment, I believe the woman is pursue legal action over it.
Everyone's just saying "it's the internetz". Koreans treat internet like any real form of communication; it's a real life community, unlike the fake username-driven communities in Western cultures, because real people are legally tied to each id. People need to stop being ignorant and realize that this is the same as, as someone said before, if you got these letters in the mail. In the US at least, that would EASILY be grounds for sexual harassment.
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On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people?
He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is what the majority of people expect/want from others.
I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know.
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On March 31 2012 11:43 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:[quote] Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? Do you all consider the consequences of supporting cyber dickery as a community when you open your mouth at all? ( or typing shit on a forum in this case) Best save your breath, asking the TL community to respect women only works if it's still okay to treat them less than human. This is nothing new, try to take a peek at almost all the threads that attempt to be supportive of women here on TL, more than half the posts does nothing but attack them. No difference here. It's just a general trend here on TL when it comes to women.
is this serious? we arent saying shes overreacting becuase shes a women, were saying it becuase she is
she has a history of a drama queen remember waht she said when dragon joined that foreign team? shes one of those people who are convinced the whole world is out to get them
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On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:
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If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist.
See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it?
no we support the right to say and do what we feel without being restricted by needless and dangerous laws. if the majority of people dont like swearing on a forum then they can enable personal censors, squelch users, or ask for admin support , bans, private chat channels, trash channels, etc etc. they can talk to individuals and they can try to inspire others and set an example. they can rise above and they can ignore and they can redirect or re-interpret things that they dont like such as trolls.
like i said, progression is not about making laws against shit you dont like. progression is finding real solutions to problems , to adapting, compromise, education, a subtle social shift towards change directed by a convergence of increasing numbers of similar minds. you do not improve things like this by slapping down laws. your laws may seem constructive and powerful to you, but that is an illusion. people do not wear the seat belt because of law, they wear it because of educational and social progression.
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On March 31 2012 11:43 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:[quote] Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? Do you all consider the consequences of supporting cyber dickery as a community when you open your mouth at all? ( or typing shit on a forum in this case) Best save your breath, asking the TL community to respect women only works if it's still okay to treat them less than human. This is nothing new, try to take a peek at almost all the threads that attempt to be supportive of women here on TL, more than half the posts does nothing but attack them. No difference here. It's just a general trend here on TL when it comes to women.
What about having basic manners and be respectful to other human beings? Before women they are humans.
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On March 31 2012 11:43 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:40 Flonomenalz wrote:
You know what, I'm actually perfectly fine with this.
Knowing how critical Korean culture is, and how negatively people can react from seemingly harmless insults, I'm okay with this. If this was a thread about how cyber insults forced a random teen to commit suicide or something, everyone would be up in arms against cyber bullying and the like. But since it's Jessica, she's overreacting.
Yes, she's prone to overreacting. Yes, in our eyes, she's overreacting. Different culture, different person. We can't know how the insults in chat affect her mindset, or affect SlayerS players.
if someone is so mentally fragile that a few insults can shatter there state of mind then what are they even doing on the internet to being with? 13 year old kids know that the internet is full of smack, considering Jessicas position she should know exactly what the internet is like and shes in the position to completely ignore it as well, its not like her job is the moderate chat she doesnt ahve to be reading it if she doesnt like what they say imagine if iNcontrol sued everyone who called him bad Show nested quote +Exactly. If she killed herself because of those exact words everyone would be saying completely different things. This stuff shouldnt be cool no matter what. they might say it, but jsut as many wouldnt mean it, the people here arguing about how jessica is overreacting would also say the teen way overreacted but would too worried about the obvious community backlash to actually say it
So someone who is easily hurt should not go online? Are you kidding me? Why not just say that those who feel the need to act like kids and insult people shouldn't go online.
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On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:
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If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist.
See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know.
Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about.
You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM.
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On March 31 2012 11:40 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:33 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:23 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:21 Zennith wrote:
I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise? freedom of speech is important. so should trolls doing everything they can to harm someone's reputation, finance and emotion be allowed with no consequences? intentional trolling with means to do damage, isn't freedom of speech. sometimes i get the feeling some of the Americans are so brainwashed with the whole freedom of speech, that every excrement that comes out in form of toughts from their brains is considered valid, and you don't actually have to think before you speak, because even if you are so bloody wrong, you have the right to be wrong. which is false. there was a discussion on TL similiar to this one, where guy from Scandinavia that lived on both continents analyzed the situation and said it fascinated him how in Europe kids are thought to be critical in thinking, while in the States everything is so emphasized on the individual, kids just grow up thinking every aspect of their individuality is so precious that they are actually rewarded for having a stance on something, no matter true or false. Exactly, just because you can say something doesn't necessarily mean it's worth saying. It's a cliché for sure, but one with validity. Youtube comments are worthless, streamchats are worthless, hell even half of TL threads are worthless because of attention whores who think every utterance that they release is somehow incredibly profound. I'm not an elitist by any means, people are entitled to their views but should just take a little more discretion in putting them out there. It can get extremely frustrating when you see experts in a field slaughtered by complete morons. I recall Thorzain getting bashed by a succession of platinum players in some thread, I mean the pros are noticeably less active in here of late and I think this is part of the reason why. Potentially cool platforms of interaction between the public/laymen and the professionals was one of the things I loved about this community, but they're becoming closed off precisely because of the kind of asinine behaviour this thread was created to discuss. Hope you 'trolls' enjoy it when the pros just lay low and don't communicate with the fans bar occasionally giving formulaic interviews like we see in the vast majority of professional sports. Incidentally, when did trolling move from a witty, often humourous but harmless activity into the realms of 'herp derp I'll abuse him, you mad bro?' fucking idiocy?
And that's why we have all sorts of ways to keep people who abuse their privileges out of communities like this one. The fact of the matter is that there are probably tons of people that also think your posts are "worthless" but you're still allowed to post, and for good reason.
I just don't think you should be able to be punished for the words you speak, obviously what is "right" and "wrong" is entirely subjective, but that's just how I feel about it. Perhaps the ability to sue someone for ban evading and repeatedly insulting/trolling/whatever (which would accomplish the same goal at the end of the day, just much more cleanly) which would be akin to taking someone to court over stalking.
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On March 31 2012 11:46 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:43 lorkac wrote:On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:
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That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? Do you all consider the consequences of supporting cyber dickery as a community when you open your mouth at all? ( or typing shit on a forum in this case) Best save your breath, asking the TL community to respect women only works if it's still okay to treat them less than human. This is nothing new, try to take a peek at almost all the threads that attempt to be supportive of women here on TL, more than half the posts does nothing but attack them. No difference here. It's just a general trend here on TL when it comes to women. What about having basic manners and be respectful to other human beings? Before women they are humans.
people think its "freedom of speech" to BM and troll, and therefore its ok. decency? they threw that shit out the window when internet went live. i still think people with "class" is the majority, i hope that trend continues.
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On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:
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If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist.
See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is what the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know.
whos to say what a minimum level of decency is? why do words have to be bad? there words, they have as much power as you give them
im pretty sure people have died in wars fighting to make sure there kids would be able to say what they want to say and do what they want to do, why shouldnt i be able to choose whatever vocabulary i choose to use? there are profanity filters for a reason, Jessica had multiple options to ignore the trolls she chose not to ignore them, to specifically pay attention to them, then whine that her feelings got hurt
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On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:[quote] Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM.
so condescending...
On March 31 2012 11:48 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:46 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:43 lorkac wrote:On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:
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It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? Do you all consider the consequences of supporting cyber dickery as a community when you open your mouth at all? ( or typing shit on a forum in this case) Best save your breath, asking the TL community to respect women only works if it's still okay to treat them less than human. This is nothing new, try to take a peek at almost all the threads that attempt to be supportive of women here on TL, more than half the posts does nothing but attack them. No difference here. It's just a general trend here on TL when it comes to women. What about having basic manners and be respectful to other human beings? Before women they are humans. people think its "freedom of speech" to BM and troll, and therefore its ok. decency? they threw that shit out the window when internet went live.
im not that old, and remember the internet when the scum of the earth didnt know how to use it, because it was for nerds/geeks. it's the playstation generation that fucked everything up.
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On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:[quote] Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil.
Are you not apart of society? Walk into your place of business and start throwing abuse at your co-workers and by the end of the week you will end up in the court room
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On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:
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That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending...
Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz.
To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job.
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finally retarded guys who talk like they never seen a girl before take what they deserve. but 7 years is insane!
isint stuff like this a very serious crime in korea? harassing people in the internet
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On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:
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If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist.
See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is what the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know.
In the US that guy could be held accountable for stalking, harassing, defaming, threatening, public nuisance, etc....
He would not only be arrested, but he could be held for some time in jail until bail. He would then be banned from going to the store, going near you, and he would most likely be told to leave areas where you normally frequent.
This is assuming they punish him lightly. Fines and prison time are both possibilities. This is US laws, not korean ones.
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On March 31 2012 11:46 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:43 lorkac wrote:On March 31 2012 11:36 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Skwid1g wrote:On March 31 2012 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:
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That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people. People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it. The fact that you honestly think people should go to prison over meaningless words typed over something as impersonal as the internet baffles me. Should everyone that says "fuck you" to someone get arrested too? Just throw 90% of the world's population in prison if so, because they don't have "class." Then they should strive to have better class. Let's throw jessica's action aside for now. Now let's see, it seems like many of you are supporting cyber defamation and think it's the norm, it's ok, it's the right thing to do. but now is it really? Maybe it's the immaturity of the community, and tolerance for a lack of class that gives gamers stigmas and make scenes struggle to take off? Have you considered all the good things that can happen if some of you acted that you are actually against having no class rather than supporting it? Do you all consider the consequences of supporting cyber dickery as a community when you open your mouth at all? ( or typing shit on a forum in this case) Best save your breath, asking the TL community to respect women only works if it's still okay to treat them less than human. This is nothing new, try to take a peek at almost all the threads that attempt to be supportive of women here on TL, more than half the posts does nothing but attack them. No difference here. It's just a general trend here on TL when it comes to women. What about having basic manners and be respectful to other human beings? Before women they are humans.
You still haven't answered any of the questions I set forth, where do you draw the line for being "classy" on the internet? Personally I'd say no cussing should be allowed, but I think many would disagree. What about racial slurs? Should I be able to call someone an idiot? Should I be able to criticize a celebrity harshly? Just saying "people should be classy" doesn't make any sense, since that is entirely arbitrary. I could find your posts entirely without class, and 99% of TL may disagree. Where do you draw the line?
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First thought that comes to mind. She's a frigid hag. Or Boxer isn't tapping that properly.
User was warned for this post
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The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them.
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