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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Do unto others... Or they'll sue you.
Fair. If its a persistent troll, then let a judge hash it out.
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On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds
Man you are either 1)A terrible troll or 2) a kid who doesn't like it when others don't like that sort of behaviour because it is what you enjoy doing. You actually try to 1st tell people that if they get their feelings hurt easily they shouldn't be online, and then proceed to try to say that those worried that the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids or our future is the problem? Give it up or grow up.
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On March 31 2012 11:57 Luepert wrote:
Do they have freedom of speech over there?
as in are people allowed to harass an individual? yno, thats not allowed.
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On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds
It's not a problem of sexism, it's a case of someone lacking the human decency to act like a classless human at someone else. Gender has nothing to do with this.
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Every week with Jessica ....
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United States795 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:23 snailz wrote:
orb comparison is actually best thing in this thread.
because racism is big in america, orb gets linched, literally.
but when an inocent woman is being called a cunt and deals with it within her power, she's a self righteus bitch and saying stuff like that is okay.
racism, N word = no no
sexism, C word = why not
it's so sad to read such things...
Orb got fired from a part time gig. This guy could lose 10 years of his life. Let us please think about scale before we make comparisons. If it was just a fine that would be one thing, but prison time is absurd.
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On March 31 2012 11:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:57 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds chivalry...isn't dead. it should be, the world wont change for the better until people stop seeing women as some fragile little bird they need to protect, there strong enough to open doors on there own and can learn to put the toilet seat down want true equality? start by treating everyone equal
And let's start treating everyone with some class.
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On March 31 2012 11:56 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:54 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:49 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:
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If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending... Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz. To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job. So if you have money you can influence social norms but the democratically elected government is explicitly forbidden. If that isn't a fallacious statement, I don't know what is. Laws can't enforce morality. Try all you must, but people will continue to be dicks on the internet.
Not true. People are less likely to be dicks if they expect negative consequences.
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On March 31 2012 11:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:57 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds chivalry...isn't dead. it should be, the world wont change for the better until people stop seeing women as some fragile little bird they need to protect, there strong enough to open doors on there own and can learn to put the toilet seat down want true equality? start by treating everyone equal
ic...so its perfectly fine to give the bat to my wife while i look out for the kids when a theif breaks into our house and me, being more strong shouldnt be a factor because we're equals.
yeah no, i'll risk my life before my wifes
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On March 31 2012 11:58 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Man you are either 1)A terrible troll or 2) a little upset kid who likes to bully others and doesn't like it when others don't like that sort of behaviour. You actually try to 1st tell people that if they get their feelings hurt easily they shouldn't be online, and then proceed to try to say that those worried that the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids or our future is the problem? Give it up or grow up.
when did i ever sat that those worried the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids future is a problem? people are free to say and think what they want, if they want there kids surfing the internet and picking up internet lingo thats there problem, if they want to protect them from the internet thats there problem too
ic...so its perfectly fine to give the bat to my wife while i look out for the kids when a theif breaks into our house.
yeah no, i'll risk my life before my wifes
ya thats not at all related to what i said at all
unless your wife is a blackbelt in Karate and breaks stuff with her forehead chances are you have a better shot at beating up a robber then your wife, thats logic not chivalry
altough logic would also say that both of you should hang with the kids instead of trying to go rambo on the potentially gun carrying thieves
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On March 31 2012 12:00 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:56 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:54 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:49 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:
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I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending... Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz. To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job. So if you have money you can influence social norms but the democratically elected government is explicitly forbidden. If that isn't a fallacious statement, I don't know what is. Laws can't enforce morality. Try all you must, but people will continue to be dicks on the internet. Not true. People are less likely to be dicks if they expect negative consequences.
Not on the internet.
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Here is a question for those defending this crap on freedom of speech.
What the hell does freedom of speech mean to you? If someone came up to a black person and felt like he should attack him in a racist manner is that an example of freedom of speech? Do you really think that that has anything to do with the law and how it works here or anywhere else? Learn the law before you try to preach it. It does not exist so that people can insult others, sexually or otherwise. Say any of that at your work or school and you will have some nice trouble pretty damn soon. It can often be called sexual harassment.
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On March 31 2012 12:01 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:00 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:56 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:54 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:49 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:
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I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending... Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz. To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job. So if you have money you can influence social norms but the democratically elected government is explicitly forbidden. If that isn't a fallacious statement, I don't know what is. Laws can't enforce morality. Try all you must, but people will continue to be dicks on the internet. Not true. People are less likely to be dicks if they expect negative consequences. Not on the internet.
until an example is made.
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Norway839 Posts
Most people don't know what it's like to have someone harassing you continuously, even if it is just over text, in a chat, on the Internet. It's different when it happens repeatedly instead of just once. It becomes personal. Someone is putting effort and heart into trying to piss you off and hurt you and those around you. To get your attention, steal your energy, over hours, over days, over weeks. In almost every situation, you will never be able to exclude them due to proxies, new users, they invent new ways to send you offensive messages through those around you, whatever.
Few of us will be in a position where we can experience this first-hand, and for that, for you, I am glad. But some empathy for those affected by this would be in its place. Just because "everybody's doing it" and "it's just trolling, chill out" doesn't make it okay to be a douche. We are better off without them. People underestimate how much they are subtly hurting the community. Sure, you can learn to ignore them and most people will of course. But sometimes people are just too persistent. And that's where IP blocks reach their limit. If you have an option to eliminate the problem for good and show people that acting like a douche is unacceptable, why not?
One thing is ignoring haters on a forum, it's outside your personal zone and you can distance yourself from it easy. But if someone harasses you in a stream chat you use daily with friends and strangers that you appreciate and love to interact with, it's something different. It's like you have an open house party with close friends and strangers, or if it's your work at some public place or a store, whatever. You don't want to exclude people, but when some fucker walks into your house and starts fucking shit up, you need to take action. Sure some people will say "well don't have your house open then" but certain people have ideals for the Internet and faith in humanity and appropriate social behavior. And that is where the conflict lies.
"Hey this guy is only smashing your windows, it's cool, it's just a fucking window, chill the fuck out? You're a superstar so you need to expect people to trash around ur house sometimes!" hokaaaay, suuuuuuure..... ~~~~
Being able to sue or report people sending you offensive messages frequently over time sounds awesome. They are not worth anyone's time. Why bother with them if you can be with awesome people capable of proper behavior? ^^ I'd take the gentleman's club any day.
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+1 korea
Yes I'm all for freedom of speech and I know how fucking important the Internet truly is. But what a frkin privilege it is, too. And it should be treated as such. Where did our ideals go? Don't bring me shit like "they were never there in the first place".
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Suck. Jessica couldn't do stuff like this in the U.S. But since it's Korea, anything can happen T.T
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On March 31 2012 11:55 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:53 RavenLoud wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:
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It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. If you'd take some time to look at your own laws, I doubt you'd actually make that statement. There are many more laws that serves to theoretically constrict and control your life so that stupid things aren't done than to defend your right to be an ass. Assuming these laws even exist, you won't see me in court for insulting someone online as in this case.
lol you've obviously never had the police knock on your door for making too much noise have you  And that's just when your neighbors find you mildly bothersome. Depending on what they hear and how loud they hear it the police could be knocking on your door for possible domestic abuse, child abuse, murder, illegal activities, etc.... All because the neighbors hear you speaking. Then there's the civil rights act, women's suffrage, black suffrage, etc... it's like majority of america's laws are all about constricting and controlling how you are supposed to act and think.
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On March 31 2012 12:02 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:01 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 12:00 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:56 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:54 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:49 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:
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why?
why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending... Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz. To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job. So if you have money you can influence social norms but the democratically elected government is explicitly forbidden. If that isn't a fallacious statement, I don't know what is. Laws can't enforce morality. Try all you must, but people will continue to be dicks on the internet. Not true. People are less likely to be dicks if they expect negative consequences. Not on the internet. until an example is made.
Like piracy?
*trollface*
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On March 31 2012 11:52 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:48 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:32 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:26 Odal wrote:On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:
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That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. I disagree. You should be able to act the way you'd like. Punishments shouldn't be serious for offending people with harmless words. I disagree. People should be expect to act with a minimum level of class, and be punished if they act with lack of it. People should strive to be higher and higher class. These acts of lack of class shouldn't be tolerated and should be punished and made an example of. why? why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is what the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. whos to say what a minimum level of decency is? why do words have to be bad? there words, they have as much power as you give them im pretty sure people have died in wars fighting to make sure there kids would be able to say what they want to say and do what they want to do, why shouldnt i be able to choose whatever vocabulary i choose to use? there are profanity filters for a reason, Jessica had multiple options to ignore the trolls she chose not to ignore them, to specifically pay attention to them, then whine that her feelings got hurt Society sets the standards. But the bar should be constantly raised to make people just better human beings in general. Nobody like dicks. Nobody like people that have no class. A minimum of human decency is required in society before the entire society just turns into a society of dicks. Much like the internet today.
I don't think acting nice is really "being a better human," as nothing is really gained from it. In fact, humans often become better people because of criticism. The kid who is bullied about his weight is usually the first to start dieting, as much as most people hate to admit it.
IIRC Korea already has a SSN-based internet access, which means it should be fairly easy to restrict certain members from accessing/being a part of your community. Giving everyone the freedom to regulate their own groups (via banning people that break the rules/abuse others) is a far better alternative to throwing what are possibly hard-working individuals in jail over meaningless comments in my opinion. I'm not really saying you're wrong, as it's entirely subjective, but I just don't feel the same way to be honest.
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On March 31 2012 12:02 cscarfo1 wrote:
Suck. Jessica couldn't do stuff like this in the U.S. But since it's Korea, anything can happen T.T
Yes because in Asia you can get punished for not acting like a decent human being.
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On March 31 2012 11:59 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:57 Luepert wrote:
Do they have freedom of speech over there? as in are people allowed to harass an individual? yno, thats not allowed.
Can you get arrested for walking around in a park for saying insults? No
Streams have public chats, and unless specific rules are posted, speech shouldn't be prosecuted by the state especially when they have the power to just ban or kick they guy themselves.
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EPT
