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On March 31 2012 12:02 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:01 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 12:00 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:56 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:54 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:49 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:On March 31 2012 11:33 Forikorder wrote:
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why?
why do the people of "higher class" have the right to force there views and beliefs on us "lower class" people? He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others. I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending... Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz. To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job. So if you have money you can influence social norms but the democratically elected government is explicitly forbidden. If that isn't a fallacious statement, I don't know what is. Laws can't enforce morality. Try all you must, but people will continue to be dicks on the internet. Not true. People are less likely to be dicks if they expect negative consequences. Not on the internet. until an example is made.
aparently Jessica wasnt the first to do this and she wont be the last so despite so many examples its still happening
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1) Jessica should develop a thicker skin.
2) People shouldn't be dicks.
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I hope the punk gets hammered hard. These internet "badasses" wouldn't dare say in real life what they would say to Jessica in real life.
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On March 31 2012 11:58 tree.hugger wrote:
Do unto others... Or they'll sue you.
Fair. If its a persistent troll, then let a judge hash it out.
the punishments for this kind of thing seem so out of wack though. in all these internet meets court situations the crimes are so poorly defined, and the judges normally illinformed that people get harsh punishments. if someone went to the police saying id been horrible to them, even with video evidence, i would barely get a slap on the wrists. probably a restraining order if i did it for months.
op post says most options are jail time? just sounds stupid.
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On March 31 2012 12:02 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:02 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 12:01 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 12:00 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:56 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:54 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:49 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:44 McFeser wrote:
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He's not using the right word but he is right. Everyone should act with a minimum amount of decency if only because that is was the majority of people expect/want from others.
I don't think anyone would argue that this man's acts were beneficial to anyone. Also, I generally assume the best in people but for those saying we don't need laws to tell people not to be dicks - we do. I would rather have laws then some culturally pressured restriction on what is right and what is wrong concerning public behavior. As for this man's actions, they are unacceptable within what is culturally acceptable and within legal boundaries (just the Korean laws though I'm sure if someone was shouting obscenities at me at the grocery store everyday, and waiting there to do so, I could get them in some sort of trouble). Now I don't think he should be put in prison for seven years. That's just stupid. But how anyone could defend him I don't know. Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about. You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending... Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz. To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job. So if you have money you can influence social norms but the democratically elected government is explicitly forbidden. If that isn't a fallacious statement, I don't know what is. Laws can't enforce morality. Try all you must, but people will continue to be dicks on the internet. Not true. People are less likely to be dicks if they expect negative consequences. Not on the internet. until an example is made. Like piracy? *trollface*
piracy has nothing to do with acting with a level of minimum human decency.
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On March 31 2012 12:01 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:58 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Man you are either 1)A terrible troll or 2) a little upset kid who likes to bully others and doesn't like it when others don't like that sort of behaviour. You actually try to 1st tell people that if they get their feelings hurt easily they shouldn't be online, and then proceed to try to say that those worried that the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids or our future is the problem? Give it up or grow up. when did i ever sat that those worried the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids future is a problem? people are free to say and think what they want, if they want there kids surfing the internet and picking up internet lingo thats there problem, if they want to protect them from the internet thats there problem too Show nested quote +ic...so its perfectly fine to give the bat to my wife while i look out for the kids when a theif breaks into our house.
yeah no, i'll risk my life before my wifes ya thats not at all related to what i said at all unless your wife is a blackbelt in Karate and breaks stuff with her forehead chances are you have a better shot at beating up a robber then your wife, thats logic not chivalry altough logic would also say that both of you should hang with the kids instead of trying to go rambo on the potentially gun carrying thieves
That's the thing. People are not free to say or do what they want. And you should reread what I said. Want to know where people are definitely not free to do this? Korea. Where they have laws against it. Just like you can't go out and murder someone. It's a law.
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On March 31 2012 11:59 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:23 snailz wrote:
orb comparison is actually best thing in this thread.
because racism is big in america, orb gets linched, literally.
but when an inocent woman is being called a cunt and deals with it within her power, she's a self righteus bitch and saying stuff like that is okay.
racism, N word = no no
sexism, C word = why not
it's so sad to read such things... Orb got fired from a part time gig. This guy could lose 10 years of his life. Let us please think about scale before we make comparisons. If it was just a fine that would be one thing, but prison time is absurd.
as many people stated, 7 years is a maximum sentence in these TYPES of cases, not something he'll get if court finds him guilty in this particular instance. when people talk legal stuff, they always phrase it that way, but in reality you get a slap on the wrist, learn your lesson and move on, doing community beneficial work as a punishment.
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On March 31 2012 11:57 BearStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 09:03 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 08:58 BearStorm wrote:
For Slayers sake will she please stop?! I don't want to support someone (Slayers Jessica) who is defacing an organization by demonstrating such irrational behavior. Say that it is Korean culture or something of that sort, but she is a representative of an organization that wants outside financial support and has a lot of fans overseas. Stop with the ridiculous overreactions you are harming the Slayers fanbase for personal reasons. Every antislayers trollfan that is born from this is on her head. Why would Slayers lose fans over this? Because Jessica speaks her frustrations publicly a lot, you're telling me that people are going to stop watching Slayers in GSL and GSTL? Why are you so distraught over an internet troll getting what he/she probably deserves? Give me a break, you're the one who's being the drama llama. Let her do what she wants and stop acting like the troll is getting punished for free speech. He was being a douchebag and he's being treated like a douchebag. I don't need to explain how Slayers will experience negative PR, that is already evident by the general reaction. I'm am not saying the guy didn't get what she deserved. It's terrible that assholes are being dicks to her, but the fact is people do not like how she is reacting regardless of how terrible some troll is being. You are just being naive if you cannot see that people are upset about it. I have no problems when someone practices free speech, but someone who represents and organization should act more professionally. Please don't reply to a thread if you aren't willing to try to comprehend the meaning of the post you respond to.
I think a lot of people agree with what she did. Maybe even a significant majority.
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Ehh... not a big deal imo if she wants to go through with it. It isn't like the guy accidentally repeatedly harassed her... he knew he was being an asshole, and now he might ACTUALLY have to face a punishment, despite being behind a monitor.
To those saying, why not just ban him... it's probably because that isn't even a punishment. The guy harassing them can continue doing it over and over without repercussion. Once they take it this far, it will likely make him go "Oh shit, I am not invincible on the internet... and I may have to behave like a respectable human being."
As for 7 years... that seems VERY steep, but I imagine he wouldn't get 7 years because that is the maximum. Honestly though, I don't have much sympathy for him if his behavior suggests he should get jail time.
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On March 31 2012 12:04 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:01 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:58 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Man you are either 1)A terrible troll or 2) a little upset kid who likes to bully others and doesn't like it when others don't like that sort of behaviour. You actually try to 1st tell people that if they get their feelings hurt easily they shouldn't be online, and then proceed to try to say that those worried that the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids or our future is the problem? Give it up or grow up. when did i ever sat that those worried the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids future is a problem? people are free to say and think what they want, if they want there kids surfing the internet and picking up internet lingo thats there problem, if they want to protect them from the internet thats there problem too ic...so its perfectly fine to give the bat to my wife while i look out for the kids when a theif breaks into our house.
yeah no, i'll risk my life before my wifes ya thats not at all related to what i said at all unless your wife is a blackbelt in Karate and breaks stuff with her forehead chances are you have a better shot at beating up a robber then your wife, thats logic not chivalry altough logic would also say that both of you should hang with the kids instead of trying to go rambo on the potentially gun carrying thieves That's the thing. People are not free to say or do what they want. And you should reread what I said. Want to know where people are definitely not free to do this? Korea. Where they have laws against it. Just like you can't go out and murder someone. It's a law. Learn it.
were not arguing wether it is or isnt allowed since it obviously isnt (but so terribly regulated it gives me a headache im sure a programmer wouldnt take long to take a bot to instant ban these people) were arguing wether it should be allowed
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On March 31 2012 12:04 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:02 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 12:02 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 12:01 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 12:00 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:56 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:54 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 11:49 stevarius wrote:On March 31 2012 11:48 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 11:47 stevarius wrote:
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Any American understands that this guy getting taken to civil court for being a dick is just retarded, but this is a different country we're talking about.
You can't legislate good behavior. Good fucking luck trying. I don't defend his actions, but I will forever defend his right to be an asshole.... on American soil or at least a country that has sane laws involving some internet BM. so condescending... Condescending? No, American ideal of liberty. Be an asshole, but I have every right to be an asshole back within legal boundaries. You can't legislate morality. Jessica is a spaz. To the guy above: You won't find yourself in a courtroom for insulting your co-workers, but you will find yourself without a job. So if you have money you can influence social norms but the democratically elected government is explicitly forbidden. If that isn't a fallacious statement, I don't know what is. Laws can't enforce morality. Try all you must, but people will continue to be dicks on the internet. Not true. People are less likely to be dicks if they expect negative consequences. Not on the internet. until an example is made. Like piracy? *trollface* piracy has nothing to do with acting with a level of minimum human decency.
Piracy has everything to do with people not responding to consequences, even when we've seen how outrageous the punishment and penalties can be. You can't legislate manners in the United States, especially on the internet.
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Russian Federation269 Posts
this is craz rofl this could never ever happen in america rofl
User was warned for this post
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On March 31 2012 12:03 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:59 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:57 Luepert wrote:
Do they have freedom of speech over there? as in are people allowed to harass an individual? yno, thats not allowed. Can you get arrested for walking around in a park for saying insults? No Streams have public chats, and unless specific rules are posted, speech shouldn't be prosecuted by the state especially when they have the power to just ban or kick they guy themselves.
yes i'm sure you can get arrested or forcibly removed from the park for insulting people at a park.
are you going to scream "freedom of speech" and cry injustice?
this is avoidable if jessica was more tolerant but that isn't the issue here is it? she decided such troll/bm has gone far enough and decided to act upon it following korean laws.
you seem to have a skewed idea of what "freedom of speech" means (like everyone other people that brings it up)
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Northern Ireland23916 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds
Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic.
Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives.
Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 31 2012 12:02 Snute wrote:Most people don't know what it's like to have someone harassing you continuously, even if it is just over text, in a chat, on the Internet. It's different when it happens repeatedly instead of just once. It becomes personal. Someone is putting effort and heart into trying to piss you off and hurt you and those around you. To get your attention, steal your energy, over hours, over days, over weeks. In almost every situation, you will never be able to exclude them due to proxies, new users, they invent new ways to send you offensive messages through those around you, whatever. Few of us will be in a position where we can experience this first-hand, and for that, for you, I am glad. But some empathy for those affected by this would be in its place. Just because "everybody's doing it" and "it's just trolling, chill out" doesn't make it okay to be a douche. We are better off without them. People underestimate how much they are subtly hurting the community. Sure, you can learn to ignore them and most people will of course. But sometimes people are just too persistent. And that's where IP blocks reach their limit. If you have an option to eliminate the problem for good and show people that acting like a douche is unacceptable, why not? One thing is ignoring haters on a forum, it's outside your personal zone and you can distance yourself from it easy. But if someone harasses you in a stream chat you use daily with friends and strangers that you appreciate and love to interact with, it's something different. It's like you have an open house party with close friends and strangers, or if it's your work at some public place or a store, whatever. You don't want to exclude people, but when some fucker walks into your house and starts fucking shit up, you need to take action. Sure some people will say "well don't have your house open then" but certain people have ideals for the Internet and faith in humanity and appropriate social behavior. And that is where the conflict lies. "Hey this guy is only smashing your windows, it's cool, it's just a fucking window, chill the fuck out? You're a superstar so you need to expect people to trash around ur house sometimes!" hokaaaay, suuuuuuure..... ~~~~ Being able to sue or report people sending you offensive messages frequently over time sounds awesome. They are not worth anyone's time. Why bother with them if you can be with awesome people capable of proper behavior? ^^ I'd take the gentleman's club any day. ![[image loading]](http://files.softicons.com/download/holidays-icons/new-year-icons-by-anna-litvinuk/ico/champagne.ico) +1 korea Yes I'm all for freedom of speech and I know how fucking important the Internet truly is. But what a frkin privilege it is, too. And it should be treated as such. Where did our ideals go? Don't bring me shit like "they were never there in the first place". Well put.
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On March 31 2012 12:06 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:04 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:01 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:58 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Man you are either 1)A terrible troll or 2) a little upset kid who likes to bully others and doesn't like it when others don't like that sort of behaviour. You actually try to 1st tell people that if they get their feelings hurt easily they shouldn't be online, and then proceed to try to say that those worried that the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids or our future is the problem? Give it up or grow up. when did i ever sat that those worried the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids future is a problem? people are free to say and think what they want, if they want there kids surfing the internet and picking up internet lingo thats there problem, if they want to protect them from the internet thats there problem too ic...so its perfectly fine to give the bat to my wife while i look out for the kids when a theif breaks into our house.
yeah no, i'll risk my life before my wifes ya thats not at all related to what i said at all unless your wife is a blackbelt in Karate and breaks stuff with her forehead chances are you have a better shot at beating up a robber then your wife, thats logic not chivalry altough logic would also say that both of you should hang with the kids instead of trying to go rambo on the potentially gun carrying thieves That's the thing. People are not free to say or do what they want. And you should reread what I said. Want to know where people are definitely not free to do this? Korea. Where they have laws against it. Just like you can't go out and murder someone. It's a law. Learn it. were not arguing wether it is or isnt allowed since it obviously isnt (but so terribly regulated it gives me a headache im sure a programmer wouldnt take long to take a bot to instant ban these people) were arguing wether it should be allowed
You are arguing that it should be allowed. What else should we allow? How about we allow racism. Then all these people can go apologize to Orb for their comments to him and their pitchforks.
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On March 31 2012 12:06 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:04 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:01 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:58 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Man you are either 1)A terrible troll or 2) a little upset kid who likes to bully others and doesn't like it when others don't like that sort of behaviour. You actually try to 1st tell people that if they get their feelings hurt easily they shouldn't be online, and then proceed to try to say that those worried that the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids or our future is the problem? Give it up or grow up. when did i ever sat that those worried the internet is too sexist and it may affect our kids future is a problem? people are free to say and think what they want, if they want there kids surfing the internet and picking up internet lingo thats there problem, if they want to protect them from the internet thats there problem too ic...so its perfectly fine to give the bat to my wife while i look out for the kids when a theif breaks into our house.
yeah no, i'll risk my life before my wifes ya thats not at all related to what i said at all unless your wife is a blackbelt in Karate and breaks stuff with her forehead chances are you have a better shot at beating up a robber then your wife, thats logic not chivalry altough logic would also say that both of you should hang with the kids instead of trying to go rambo on the potentially gun carrying thieves That's the thing. People are not free to say or do what they want. And you should reread what I said. Want to know where people are definitely not free to do this? Korea. Where they have laws against it. Just like you can't go out and murder someone. It's a law. Learn it. were not arguing wether it is or isnt allowed since it obviously isnt (but so terribly regulated it gives me a headache im sure a programmer wouldnt take long to take a bot to instant ban these people) were arguing wether it should be allowed
But you see your support/tolerance of Cyber Dickery make the rest of us look bad so please starting from now on, please follow your post with
Disclaimer: My views are that of my own and do not relate to and are not the view of the Team Liquid community. My level of class is not a representation of the class of the Team Liquid community.
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On March 31 2012 12:03 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:59 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:57 Luepert wrote:
Do they have freedom of speech over there? as in are people allowed to harass an individual? yno, thats not allowed. Can you get arrested for walking around in a park for saying insults? No Streams have public chats, and unless specific rules are posted, speech shouldn't be prosecuted by the state especially when they have the power to just ban or kick they guy themselves.
did you not read the post? your example is way invalid.
those insults were directed to JESSICA, and from the post, that guy was being persistent.
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If you live in Korea and know you can be sued for this stuff, why would you persist in trolling someone who's known to have a low tolerance level? Sounds like this guy is stupid and should have known better.
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On March 31 2012 12:03 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:59 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:57 Luepert wrote:
Do they have freedom of speech over there? as in are people allowed to harass an individual? yno, thats not allowed. Can you get arrested for walking around in a park for saying insults? No Streams have public chats, and unless specific rules are posted, speech shouldn't be prosecuted by the state especially when they have the power to just ban or kick they guy themselves.
Actually, yes you can. At least in America. Depending on who is around said park, how many people are in said part, and how many people are affected. But yeah, it happens all the time. At least in America. I can't speak for other countries.
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