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Jessica is making team slayers and BOXER look extremely bad for being who she is. She keeps doing stuff like this and bringing on negative attention. The thing is she is known for being such a huge drama queen and she keeps on doing it. Queen on a high horse.
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On March 31 2012 12:02 cscarfo1 wrote:
Suck. Jessica couldn't do stuff like this in the U.S. But since it's Korea, anything can happen T.T
Ya I agree... that really sucks. So ridiculous that they can't repeatedly harass someone every day without repercussions.
Wait what? Care to explain?
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There should be a Douchebag punishment law where you can sentence someone for being a dick and fine them + community service.
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On March 31 2012 12:13 Spieltor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:10 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear Ummm what? How old are you dude? lol... You have to be trolling. No way you believe this crap. People WANT it to exist? The only people who do are those who are sexist... man... you are crazy. he isnt wrong. Holding doors for women, paying for dinner for women, thats sexism because you're treating them differently due to their sex bits. Prove this isnt so.
That is called general politeness. Want to know a secret? Girls who aren't douches pay for dinner too.
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On March 31 2012 12:17 Cartel wrote:
Jessica is making team slayers and BOXER look extremely bad for being who she is. She keeps doing stuff like this and bringing on negative attention. The thing is she is known for being such a huge drama queen and she keeps on doing it. Queen on a high horse.
And you are making us look bad by supporting and tolerating that it is ok to act like a total dick on the internet and act like they have no class.
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On March 31 2012 12:15 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected But this isn't about sexism this is about expecting a minimum level of class that a human being can have when acting in front of other people, internet or not.
Well the thread and indeed previous posts I myself have made have followed that argument, I was just taking exception to the idea that her gender had nothing to do with the abuse the guy was sending. I feel it's a perfectly valid avenue to discuss, perhaps not in this thread though
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On March 31 2012 12:12 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:10 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear Ummm what? How old are you dude? lol... You have to be trolling. No way you believe this crap. People WANT it to exist? The only people who do are those who are sexist... man... you are crazy. women say they want to be treated the same as men, then they dont leave there houses without make-up, they say they want to be treated the same as men and then spend so much time and effort on there looks they dont want to be treated like men they want to be treated better then men
Every woman I know simply wants to be treated like a human. I hold doors for them and I hold it for friends. Just as they hold it for me when they are ahead. Get over your bitterness dude.
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On March 31 2012 12:13 Spieltor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:10 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear Ummm what? How old are you dude? lol... You have to be trolling. No way you believe this crap. People WANT it to exist? The only people who do are those who are sexist... man... you are crazy. he isnt wrong. Holding doors for women, paying for dinner for women, thats sexism because you're treating them differently due to their sex bits. Prove this isnt so.
Isn't it great that the only one talking about paying for dinners and opening doors is you? 
Really though, a guy comes up and says we shouldn't call women cunts. Typical response of "it's sexism to open doors too!"
Why yes it would be. It's a good thing supposed "white knights" never really argue that men should open doors for women... They really only ask that men don't treat them bad--not necessarily treat them like paragons. Hmm... I wonder why a man would think that not calling a woman a cunt is equal to treating her like royalty...
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On March 31 2012 11:57 Luepert wrote:
Do they have freedom of speech over there?
and then this
On March 31 2012 12:03 Luepert wrote:
Can you get arrested for walking around in a park for saying insults? No
Streams have public chats, and unless specific rules are posted, speech shouldn't be prosecuted by the state especially when they have the power to just ban or kick they guy themselves.
just made my day. oh, luepert ))) when i was a kid, guys like you thought computers were some evil sorcery, but here you are today, infesting the internetz
5am here, good night, thank god it's weekend so i don't have to get up in 2 hours. ciao
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On March 31 2012 12:13 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear What? I can't tell if you are being serious. You are implying that no one discriminates based on gender. You can't possibly believe that... no one can be that ignorant, so can I assume you are a troll? If you aren't implying that no one discriminates then why would it just go away? Sure if it was talked about less, we would hear about it less, but then the people who were already discriminating would be unopposed, and feel more comfortable to continue discriminating freely.
what exactly do you mean when your talking discrimination? is there some company that refuses to hire women? is there a sport where women are banned? is there any activity at all that blatantly refuses the aprticipation of women?
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On March 31 2012 12:15 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:07 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 12:03 Luepert wrote:On March 31 2012 11:59 jinorazi wrote:On March 31 2012 11:57 Luepert wrote:
Do they have freedom of speech over there? as in are people allowed to harass an individual? yno, thats not allowed. Can you get arrested for walking around in a park for saying insults? No Streams have public chats, and unless specific rules are posted, speech shouldn't be prosecuted by the state especially when they have the power to just ban or kick they guy themselves. yes i'm sure you can get arrested or forcibly removed from the park for insulting people at a park. are you going to scream "freedom of speech" and cry injustice? this is avoidable if jessica was more tolerant but that isn't the issue here is it? she decided such troll/bm has gone far enough and decided to act upon it following korean laws. you seem to have a skewed idea of what "freedom of speech" means (like everyone other people that brings it up) It wasn't like going up to someone and insulting them. It wasn't in her stream. Its like your insulting someone by you and the only thing they can do is call the cops and you can just stop, you can't be punished. Also they can be "forcibly removed" by ban.
lets say you're a manger/owner of this park, people keeps coming by the park and insults people on daily bases so you kick them out yourself. however they just keep coming back, you just let it go? do nothing about it? its just the way it is? meanwhile theres a law that doesn't allow such thing and you can report it to authority to make it stop.
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On March 31 2012 12:16 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:13 Spieltor wrote:On March 31 2012 12:10 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear Ummm what? How old are you dude? lol... You have to be trolling. No way you believe this crap. People WANT it to exist? The only people who do are those who are sexist... man... you are crazy. he isnt wrong. Holding doors for women, paying for dinner for women, thats sexism because you're treating them differently due to their sex bits. Prove this isnt so. How about it's just good manners to do so. Shows you have class, a minimum level of decency to treat women with respect.
there it is. Not "treat humans', "treat women".
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Modern society should have some kind of classes to prepare overly sensitive people for internet, and life in general.
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It's the internet, why make such a big deal over something so fucking trivial. What's more shocking is people defending what she is doing. If you don't have thick skin then stay off the internet. Slayers isn't exactly getting a good reputation with all this shit Jessica has been starting.
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On March 31 2012 12:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:13 Chicane wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear What? I can't tell if you are being serious. You are implying that no one discriminates based on gender. You can't possibly believe that... no one can be that ignorant, so can I assume you are a troll? If you aren't implying that no one discriminates then why would it just go away? Sure if it was talked about less, we would hear about it less, but then the people who were already discriminating would be unopposed, and feel more comfortable to continue discriminating freely. what exactly do you mean when your talking discrimination? is there some company that refuses to hire women? is there a sport where women are banned? is there any activity at all that blatantly refuses the aprticipation of women?
Ok I'll go spread the word. Internet says discrimination is dead!
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On March 31 2012 12:20 Spieltor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:16 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 12:13 Spieltor wrote:On March 31 2012 12:10 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear Ummm what? How old are you dude? lol... You have to be trolling. No way you believe this crap. People WANT it to exist? The only people who do are those who are sexist... man... you are crazy. he isnt wrong. Holding doors for women, paying for dinner for women, thats sexism because you're treating them differently due to their sex bits. Prove this isnt so. How about it's just good manners to do so. Shows you have class, a minimum level of decency to treat women with respect. there it is. Not "treat humans', "treat women".
You maybe too young to understand this, but something like such basic manners are expected of men.
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On March 31 2012 12:19 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:13 Spieltor wrote:On March 31 2012 12:10 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear Ummm what? How old are you dude? lol... You have to be trolling. No way you believe this crap. People WANT it to exist? The only people who do are those who are sexist... man... you are crazy. he isnt wrong. Holding doors for women, paying for dinner for women, thats sexism because you're treating them differently due to their sex bits. Prove this isnt so. Isn't it great that the only one talking about paying for dinners and opening doors is you? Really though, a guy comes up and says we shouldn't call women cunts. Typical response of "it's sexism to open doors too!" Why yes it would be. It's a good thing supposed "white knights" never really argue that men should open doors for women... They really only ask that men don't treat them bad--not necessarily treat them like paragons. Hmm... I wonder why a man would think that not calling a woman a cunt is equal to treating her like royalty...
so are you saying its okay to call men cunts?
tahts the problem, why does Jessica have to be a women in this scenario? why is it about what we shouldnt be calling women? why couldnt it have been "we shouldnt call anyone cunt"?
becuase people arent interested in defending MEN there interested in defending WOMEN becuase women have painted themselves as these fragile little dainties that need to be protected, then they realised that men were taking it seriosuly, so they started wining that they were being protected like fragile little dainties, that they wanted to be treated equally, but tehy didnt want that, they wanted to be treated exactly like men except also as fragile little dainties
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On March 31 2012 12:19 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:13 Spieltor wrote:On March 31 2012 12:10 mrtomjones wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear Ummm what? How old are you dude? lol... You have to be trolling. No way you believe this crap. People WANT it to exist? The only people who do are those who are sexist... man... you are crazy. he isnt wrong. Holding doors for women, paying for dinner for women, thats sexism because you're treating them differently due to their sex bits. Prove this isnt so. Isn't it great that the only one talking about paying for dinners and opening doors is you? Really though, a guy comes up and says we shouldn't call women cunts. Typical response of "it's sexism to open doors too!" Why yes it would be. It's a good thing supposed "white knights" never really argue that men should open doors for women... They really only ask that men don't treat them bad--not necessarily treat them like paragons. Hmm... I wonder why a man would think that not calling a woman a cunt is equal to treating her like royalty...
because I wasn't equating the two. Becauyse I was responding to someone calling someone else crazy for believing people want to be sexist in many ways. E.g. preferential treatment for women by buying them dinner. It had nothing to do with saying calling jessica a cunt is an okay thing. Noone here is saying that. To read that far into it or strawman that heavily indicates you're the loser in this discussion.
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On March 31 2012 12:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 12:13 Chicane wrote:On March 31 2012 12:09 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 12:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 31 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 11:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
The reason people are invoking the sexism angle is because it's probably a motivating factor in the initial chat. I grow more and more uneasy with the increase in outright, horrendous misogyny. Hey I'm all for a risque sexist joke, if there's some wit involved, but the spewing of such bile makes me worry that societal attitudes towards women will change for the worse. Bear in mind this from personal recollection rather than anything backed empirically
Of course I'm a 'white knight' for believing that somebody having different reproductive organs to me doesn't give me carte blanche to abuse them. the dude who was trolling probably doesnt give 2 cents what gender she is and was just having fun trolling if a male was doing Jessicas job and acted jsut like jessica has the dude would still have been on that chout shouting obsenities, possibly even the same ones insults are pretty universal now the real problem with the world is people like YOU not him, he doesnt care about the gender, you do becuase Jessica is a women you consider it our job to protect her, if it was a dude you probably wouldnt care at all and jsut say he needed thicker skin, but becuase its a women allofasudden this is a big huge deal that everyone should stop and halp console Jessica after her terrible ordeal sexism is pretty much dead, the only people keeping it alive is people who make such a huge deal over stuff like this and keep it at the top of peoples minds Sexism is alive and well and you're deluded if you think otherwise. Legalistic equality has not seen a cultural shift to true gender equality, but it's a complex issue overall. I don't think it's fair to be characterised as some overprotective man defined by some pseudo-scientific idea of man as naturally protective. I tend to stand up against ridiculous behaviour on this forum if I'm in a particularly angry mood. Most of this relates to player/caster bashing and giving the low proportion of woman players I hardly think I'm some white-knight. I criticised the opportunities given to players like QuanticFlo because they are so blatantly non-meritocratic. Anyhow, if people don't call out atrocious behaviour for what it actually is, then attitudes don't change. For a good example of cultural conditioning, look at the societal attitudes towards drink driving and how they have changed. At least in Ireland it used to be de rigieur to drive home while drunk as a skunk. It was 'the done thing' and nobody saw a problem with it, it took real effort for the practice to be as socially frowned upon as it now is, over years and years of government funded campaigns and grass-roots privately-supported initiatives. Granted there is a case to be made about crying wolf racism/sexism or what have you. in this specific instance I was under the impression he was using Korean equivalents of cunt and other such pejoratives which are often applied in a misogynist manner. If wrong I stand corrected sexism is alive becuase people want it to be the white knights want sexism to be alive so they can pretend to defend the dainty females females want it to be alive so they can scream it and get people in trouble if everyone jsut forgot that women and men are different, and i mean everyone not just the people throwing insults, then sexism will disapear What? I can't tell if you are being serious. You are implying that no one discriminates based on gender. You can't possibly believe that... no one can be that ignorant, so can I assume you are a troll? If you aren't implying that no one discriminates then why would it just go away? Sure if it was talked about less, we would hear about it less, but then the people who were already discriminating would be unopposed, and feel more comfortable to continue discriminating freely. what exactly do you mean when your talking discrimination? is there some company that refuses to hire women? is there a sport where women are banned? is there any activity at all that blatantly refuses the aprticipation of women?
Women in Europe (which is generally regarded as better for gender equality) often receive lower pay for identical jobs to male counterparts. They are disproportionality underrepresented in politics, boardrooms of large firms (like the FTSE-100 in the UK) and elsewhere. There are serious issues with how the media presents women who are public figures as well, which naturally inhibits participation in the public sphere. Competent but unattractive female politicians are frequently slaughtered on the basis of their appearance for example in a much more vicious way than their male counterparts (as a generality).
You refer to enshrined legal equalities as evidence that equality exists. It doesn't, even though things aren't horrendously bleak for womenfolk compared to previous generations, it's still got a bit to go.
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On March 31 2012 12:21 Enki wrote:
It's the internet, why make such a big deal over something so fucking trivial. What's more shocking is people defending what she is doing. If you don't have thick skin then stay off the internet. Slayers isn't exactly getting a good reputation with all this shit Jessica has been starting.
Because even if suing is not the right course of action just criticizing her actions without saying Cyber Defamation is bad and i don't agree with it will make me look like a classless human being, and as a forum user my image reflects the image of the TL community. So I should try to act with as much class as possible.
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