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Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
March 30 2012 03:00 GMT
#1401
So basically...the foreign teams success rate is completely dependent on how many Korean players they can get
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
March 30 2012 03:01 GMT
#1402
There should be separate Elo rankings for online and live tournaments. Not even the most avid Taeja fan would argue that he's the #1 player in Korea right now, either in skill or results.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 03:04:52
March 30 2012 03:04 GMT
#1403
On March 30 2012 12:00 Sc2Null wrote:
So basically...every teams success rate is completely dependent on how many good players they can get


Fixed that for you.

Shocking that good players will bring good results and teams will go after them.


courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
March 30 2012 03:35 GMT
#1404
i remember watching a casted TvZ game with taeja once.

everytime there was ling/bane v marines, his splits were... well if i didnt know better, i would say he was botting, it was just that beautiful. it was like, the marines were moving back and suddenly, they flew out in a perfect arc

Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:31:32
March 30 2012 06:22 GMT
#1405
I think TL picked up a cheater, no way someone can control units like this

This sign up might be end the discussion which foreign team is the best. Sure EG or Mouse are good teams but with 3 S-class koreans (I dont care that DRG had a bad day, he knocked out the last 2 GSL champions. How many players can say that?) and guys like ret or sheth who could take a game of everyone in the world, they would be a scary opponent in gstl.

I am really happy for Team Liquid, last year as they lost Huk and signed some random B teamer from oGs (i mean how many people really know Hero before he joined liquid), i had bad feelings for the future.

This will be awesome!
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
March 30 2012 06:31 GMT
#1406
really hope he is successful. seems like he has something to prove to some of his friends and family.
System42
Profile Joined August 2011
172 Posts
March 30 2012 06:44 GMT
#1407
On March 30 2012 12:00 Sc2Null wrote:
So basically...the foreign teams success rate is completely dependent on how many Korean players they can get

uhhh Mouz has placed extremely well in team leagues and have put on insane individual results and they have 0 koreans even came second in the first Ipl team challenge where thorzain actually all killed them the first set. soooo....yeah.
System42
Profile Joined August 2011
172 Posts
March 30 2012 06:45 GMT
#1408
On March 30 2012 15:44 System42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 12:00 Sc2Null wrote:
So basically...the foreign teams success rate is completely dependent on how many Korean players they can get

uhhh Mouz has placed extremely well in team leagues and have put on insane individual results and they have 0 koreans even came second in the first Ipl team challenge where thorzain actually all killed them the first set. soooo....yeah.

All killed Im/Quantic that is
PowerDes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States520 Posts
March 30 2012 06:54 GMT
#1409
On March 30 2012 15:31 JiYan wrote:
really hope he is successful. seems like he has something to prove to some of his friends and family.

It's already begun
twitch.tv/PowerDes
Invader.Zim
Profile Joined February 2012
United Arab Emirates19 Posts
March 30 2012 09:41 GMT
#1410
Good Luck TaeJa and TL
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
March 30 2012 10:09 GMT
#1411
Nice debut! :-) Nice pickup TL. But get more foreigners also!
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9388 Posts
March 30 2012 10:22 GMT
#1412
On March 30 2012 12:01 red4ce wrote:
There should be separate Elo rankings for online and live tournaments. Not even the most avid Taeja fan would argue that he's the #1 player in Korea right now, either in skill or results.


No there shouldn't.

The reason why he is ranked 1 is because he has played more matches (and hence has been able to accumulate more point).

Nobody has ever said ELO has perfect correlation with skill, but trying to give more weights to live matches doesn't make sense, because a game is a game, and you can only give point in relation to your opponent.

Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10716 Posts
March 30 2012 10:27 GMT
#1413
On March 30 2012 15:22 USvBleakill wrote:
I think TL picked up a cheater, no way someone can control units like this

This sign up might be end the discussion which foreign team is the best. Sure EG or Mouse are good teams but with 3 S-class koreans (I dont care that DRG had a bad day, he knocked out the last 2 GSL champions. How many players can say that?) and guys like ret or sheth who could take a game of everyone in the world, they would be a scary opponent in gstl.

I am really happy for Team Liquid, last year as they lost Huk and signed some random B teamer from oGs (i mean how many people really know Hero before he joined liquid), i had bad feelings for the future.

This will be awesome!


Yeah, just stop calling TL a foreign team, because it isn't anymore.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
March 30 2012 10:33 GMT
#1414
On March 30 2012 19:27 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:22 USvBleakill wrote:
I think TL picked up a cheater, no way someone can control units like this

This sign up might be end the discussion which foreign team is the best. Sure EG or Mouse are good teams but with 3 S-class koreans (I dont care that DRG had a bad day, he knocked out the last 2 GSL champions. How many players can say that?) and guys like ret or sheth who could take a game of everyone in the world, they would be a scary opponent in gstl.

I am really happy for Team Liquid, last year as they lost Huk and signed some random B teamer from oGs (i mean how many people really know Hero before he joined liquid), i had bad feelings for the future.

This will be awesome!


Yeah, just stop calling TL a foreign team, because it isn't anymore.

Roflmao. Last I recalled TL is still owned by a european? And all its sponsors are not korean. So why isnt it a foreign team?
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
March 30 2012 10:35 GMT
#1415
On March 30 2012 19:27 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:22 USvBleakill wrote:
I think TL picked up a cheater, no way someone can control units like this

This sign up might be end the discussion which foreign team is the best. Sure EG or Mouse are good teams but with 3 S-class koreans (I dont care that DRG had a bad day, he knocked out the last 2 GSL champions. How many players can say that?) and guys like ret or sheth who could take a game of everyone in the world, they would be a scary opponent in gstl.

I am really happy for Team Liquid, last year as they lost Huk and signed some random B teamer from oGs (i mean how many people really know Hero before he joined liquid), i had bad feelings for the future.

This will be awesome!


Yeah, just stop calling TL a foreign team, because it isn't anymore.


CEO/Founder from Netherlands, Team Manager from Denmark, 6 of the 9 players not from Korea... sounds like a foreign team to me.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10716 Posts
March 30 2012 10:44 GMT
#1416
On March 30 2012 19:35 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 19:27 Velr wrote:
On March 30 2012 15:22 USvBleakill wrote:
I think TL picked up a cheater, no way someone can control units like this

This sign up might be end the discussion which foreign team is the best. Sure EG or Mouse are good teams but with 3 S-class koreans (I dont care that DRG had a bad day, he knocked out the last 2 GSL champions. How many players can say that?) and guys like ret or sheth who could take a game of everyone in the world, they would be a scary opponent in gstl.

I am really happy for Team Liquid, last year as they lost Huk and signed some random B teamer from oGs (i mean how many people really know Hero before he joined liquid), i had bad feelings for the future.

This will be awesome!


Yeah, just stop calling TL a foreign team, because it isn't anymore.


CEO/Founder from Netherlands, Team Manager from Denmark, 6 of the 9 players not from Korea... sounds like a foreign team to me.


4 best players = 3 koreans, 1 foreigner.
These are the guys you most likely will see play in teamleagues... I don't care who owns a team and who manages it, i care about who i see playing for a team.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
March 30 2012 10:54 GMT
#1417
On March 30 2012 19:44 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 19:35 Morfildur wrote:
On March 30 2012 19:27 Velr wrote:
On March 30 2012 15:22 USvBleakill wrote:
I think TL picked up a cheater, no way someone can control units like this

This sign up might be end the discussion which foreign team is the best. Sure EG or Mouse are good teams but with 3 S-class koreans (I dont care that DRG had a bad day, he knocked out the last 2 GSL champions. How many players can say that?) and guys like ret or sheth who could take a game of everyone in the world, they would be a scary opponent in gstl.

I am really happy for Team Liquid, last year as they lost Huk and signed some random B teamer from oGs (i mean how many people really know Hero before he joined liquid), i had bad feelings for the future.

This will be awesome!


Yeah, just stop calling TL a foreign team, because it isn't anymore.


CEO/Founder from Netherlands, Team Manager from Denmark, 6 of the 9 players not from Korea... sounds like a foreign team to me.


4 best players = 3 koreans, 1 foreigner.
These are the guys you most likely will see play in teamleagues... I don't care who owns a team and who manages it, i care about who i see playing for a team.


Let's check this on TLPD:
Sheth stomped Polt easily. Yes, it was a strategy designed to counter Polt but it couldn't work without both having mechanics on about equal level.
Ret won Red Bull Lan against Parting, korea-training Naniwa, korea-laddering SaSe.
TLO defeated MKP in a teamleague match a while ago.

True, Jinro, Haypro and NonY have less consistent results (though Haypro is slowly beasting it up) and i think TaeJa is by far the strongest player in their roster now but just because TL has very strong koreans doesn't mean their other players are bad.
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
March 30 2012 11:05 GMT
#1418
On March 30 2012 12:00 Sc2Null wrote:
So basically...the foreign teams success rate is completely dependent on how many Korean players they can get


Yep, thats the sad truth.

I cant believe how short term all the foreign teams are thinking. Yes Koreans are the best players to a reasonable price but do they really think SC2 stays interesting for everyone besides the hardcore fans if more and more Koreans dominate everything?

Which team is gonna win the next team league? -> Well how many Koreans do they have on their roster?
Who is going to win the tournament? -> Well which Koreans did get an invite?

God...
c0se
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany148 Posts
March 30 2012 11:24 GMT
#1419
On March 30 2012 20:05 marcesr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 12:00 Sc2Null wrote:
So basically...the foreign teams success rate is completely dependent on how many Korean players they can get


Yep, thats the sad truth.

I cant believe how short term all the foreign teams are thinking. Yes Koreans are the best players to a reasonable price but do they really think SC2 stays interesting for everyone besides the hardcore fans if more and more Koreans dominate everything?

Which team is gonna win the next team league? -> Well how many Koreans do they have on their roster?
Who is going to win the tournament? -> Well which Koreans did get an invite?

God...

thats exactly how the last few seasons of WC3L were like, but they were still very entertaining.
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
March 30 2012 11:31 GMT
#1420
On March 30 2012 20:24 c0se wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 20:05 marcesr wrote:
On March 30 2012 12:00 Sc2Null wrote:
So basically...the foreign teams success rate is completely dependent on how many Korean players they can get


Yep, thats the sad truth.

I cant believe how short term all the foreign teams are thinking. Yes Koreans are the best players to a reasonable price but do they really think SC2 stays interesting for everyone besides the hardcore fans if more and more Koreans dominate everything?

Which team is gonna win the next team league? -> Well how many Koreans do they have on their roster?
Who is going to win the tournament? -> Well which Koreans did get an invite?

God...

thats exactly how the last few seasons of WC3L were like, but they were still very entertaining.


Maybe it was interesting for the hardcore fans, but what is making SC2 big? Not the people who watch streams and read news for 3 hours a day. But the people who watch SC2 once or twice a week.

I for example watched WC3 for twice a month, I never watched a game between Koreans/Chinese. I only knew a few German WC3 players and Grubby and a few more Europeans, those were the ones I was watching.
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