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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
This is my first SC2 Subtitle. (12:10 Reference) IMMORTAL = 불멸자 (BUL-MYUL-JAH) HIGH TEMPLAR = 고위기사 (GO-WEE-GI-SA) BUL + GO + GI = Korean BBQ, or Combination of Immortals and High Templars. Disclaimer: I do not have perfect grammar. I do not have expertise in subtitling. Original video was in alot better quality, but somehow turn out very very bad. lol... Never the less, hope you guys enjoy! | ||
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Tuthur
France985 Posts
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Ruscour
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I'd better download it just in case it gets removed. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Thanks! ( I don't think you are allowed to post the full VOD on youtube though ) | ||
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OnFiRe888
United States629 Posts
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Kraidio
China133 Posts
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United States5003 Posts
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Funguuuuu
United States198 Posts
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
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Kergy
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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wangstra
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di3alot
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i dont rly know how to describe this but its just awesome. korean player/caster>>all ask gom for a job i would pay for this shit :D | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
Side note: bulgogi. Ahuehue | ||
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
Also, is it just me or are the bottom of the subtutles being cut off in the video? | ||
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monitor
United States2404 Posts
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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Hacksaw11
Australia359 Posts
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MannerKiss
United States2398 Posts
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United States7572 Posts
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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wwowz
Canada156 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
On March 26 2012 10:54 MannerKiss wrote: If i'm not mistaken at least in bw several of the commentators were ex progamers, which really helped give in depth analysis from the progamer point of view. I think grubby currently gives similarly engaging commentary from the point of view of a gamer which is why i find him so much more enjoyable than everyone else commentating in english currently. Yea, TheMarine and Nal_rA IIRC they practice as much as the players do. I remember TheMarine saying he coldcasts replays for hours trying to determine which builds each player goes for, and gets it right 90% of the time or something. He's also that accurate in casting real games. Foreigner casters have a long way to go before catching up to Korean casters xd | ||
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mrhobbers
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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bro_fenix
United States132 Posts
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
wb? :p | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Casters actually talking about the game and giving useful information?! jk <3 the english casters but I still don't think they can match up to the Korean ones. Thanks for the subs OP | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
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JethroTV
United States206 Posts
Interesting to see the differences in casting style between Korean and foreign casters. Definitely pro's and cons imo - but I think I would take tastosis any day to be honest. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
Any chance of distributing the subtitles as a soft sub format like .ass so that those with access to the VODs can download them and watch subtitled with the original video? | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
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vicml21
Canada165 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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Taiyoken
Canada130 Posts
Sick translation, more please :D | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
Thanks! | ||
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supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
On March 26 2012 10:35 pdd wrote: The Korean casting with subtitles is really detailed... wish I could understand Korean. It's definitely a lot better than the English casts. nothing is better than tastosis | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Definitely debatable. The Korean casters in both BW and SC2 are extremely entertaining, funny, and insightful. | ||
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Candadar
2049 Posts
I beg to differ. | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
On March 26 2012 10:07 Barrin wrote: OMG those korean casters are amazing... So much information keeping it interesting and explaining what to look for often before it even happens, and being really good at identifying and explaining important things as they happen. Always proper voice inflection and getting excited when exciting things happen etc.. sometimes properly releasing said excitement with comedic relief. I'm jealous. Need more of these :D Took the words out of my mouth. Don't get me wrong, Tasteless and Artosis are excellent, but there's something so professional about these guys, and they have such a good perspective of the game. No "I've got nerd chills" or any of that nonsense. But then again, different audiences. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
uhhh no, this thread already proved so. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
I love tastosis, no casting duo is funnier imo. But the energy of the korean casters make tastosis look dead | ||
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CptObnoxious
Australia24 Posts
Also if you want help editing, I'm a bit of a Grammar Nazi so I'd be more than happy to assist. | ||
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GinDo
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GinDo
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On March 26 2012 12:45 happyness wrote: I love tastosis, no casting duo is funnier imo. But the energy the korean casters have make tastosis look dead Simply the amount of energy. It felt like watching Starleague. Personally I think it has to do alot with the culture. For example compare ESPN to Univision(A Spanish channel) or TeleMundo when it comes to soccer. I don't even care that it is not in HD, the energy of those soccer caster make the game more enjoyable. Also, those Koreans really know their stuff. Alot of foreigner casters simply don't have intimate knowledge regarding timings, match-ups, or the latest trends and strategies. | ||
DARKING
Mexico674 Posts
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Cyclone999
Canada331 Posts
(my opinion ofc) | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
Even though I do really like tastosis, I don't think even they match up to the korean casters. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
I think this is also a great chance for English casters to improve their casting skills. They might not be on the same level of energy as the Korean caster but at least they can learn a lot from the video with subtitle how Korean casters handling each phase of the game without being off-track from the game too much. | ||
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di3alot
172 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:45 Ruscour wrote: Thanks a lot...I dunno if GOMTV will allow posting of their VODs, though. I'd better download it just in case it gets removed. MR.Chae does not seem to have a problem with this but who knows | ||
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juicy
Australia145 Posts
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CaptainTwig
United Kingdom532 Posts
I was hoping something like this would pop up. | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
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CaptainTwig
United Kingdom532 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
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Parapa
Korea (South)33 Posts
On March 26 2012 14:59 CaptainTwig wrote: Something is buggin' me they use "glotcho/grotcho" 10+ times, it's translated once as "of course" but it seems to be used all the time, in different situations. What is the word and what does it mean exactly? I hope this makes sense, I really want to know :D That means "yes indeed or absolutely or of course " that is positive reaction from previous casters.. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On March 26 2012 15:01 Emporio wrote: Man, why don't we have awesome names for unit comps like Bulgogi? Can we call maurader/hellion something KFC? I don't know why, but that attack timing feels like it could be appropriately described with fried chicken. Well we call everything cheese.... | ||
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elwoodng
Singapore438 Posts
I'm guessing GOM won't have a problem with this as the vod of this game is free on gomtv actually? | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6255 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On March 26 2012 15:17 elwoodng wrote: I'm not surprise, one of the code A games last season moletrap was sick and the korean casters took over and casted in english so I got a feel of their style. Blah, I'm so jealous. And it's not even because of their energy or something like that, in fact I think they're a little too loud lol but they give SO MUCH info. I'm guessing GOM won't have a problem with this as the vod of this game is free on gomtv actually? Is there a link that is free to this video somewhere? | ||
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Mario1209
United States1077 Posts
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CaptainTwig
United Kingdom532 Posts
On March 26 2012 15:04 Parapa wrote: That means "yes indeed or absolutely or of course " that is positive reaction from previous casters.. Ahhh ok I understand now, thanks! | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
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stupidhydro
United States216 Posts
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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KiNGxXx
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
Then I read the thread..... Nice job btw. | ||
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
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qwid
Australia10 Posts
THANK YOU! I would rather poor resolution subtitles of these guys casting over any English speaking casters at the moment. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
Poll: Would you pay for english subtitled korean vods? Yes please! (100) maybe, depends on the price (35) No (22) 157 total votes Your vote: Would you pay for english subtitled korean vods? (Vote): Yes please! | ||
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
despite just reading subtitles, it's pretty awesome | ||
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TheOnlyNurSo
Germany50 Posts
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
While I'd like to scream "MAKE MORE MAKE MORE" I know this is a volunteer thing that isn't going to make you any money or anything, but thank you so much for this. Really made the game exciting as hell to watch. | ||
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Glastnost
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Grohg
United States243 Posts
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ObserverSix2One
Israel115 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
they make the casts 10x better | ||
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ObserverSix2One
Israel115 Posts
On March 26 2012 16:16 Spicy_Curry wrote: Poll: Would you pay for english subtitled korean vods? Yes please! (100) maybe, depends on the price (35) No (22) 157 total votes Your vote: Would you pay for english subtitled korean vods? (Vote): Yes please! No, but I'm pretty sure the person who will translate will get money from ads and such, if he will have enough viewers that is... | ||
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Shirolol
England504 Posts
On March 26 2012 17:14 ObserverSix2One wrote: No, but I'm pretty sure the person who will translate will get money from ads and such, if he will have enough viewers that is... Yeah, this is exactly what I was going to post. These are actually so good that you would get enough views etc to make some money. Please do more! | ||
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Acnologia
Australia410 Posts
 thank you for the subtitles and i hope you make more! | ||
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vndods
United States3743 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
The Korean casters are awesome, need more of these! EDIT: Wow, Mr Chae tweeted about this. o.o Seems he doesn't mind the vod up like that haha | ||
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di3alot
172 Posts
On March 26 2012 17:14 ObserverSix2One wrote: No, but I'm pretty sure the person who will translate will get money from ads and such, if he will have enough viewers that is... what ads and what such? is he going to stream it or what? and as far as i know you need some kind of partnership with a major channel on youtube to be able to have ads on your vods but that also means that you will share your 5k views income with that partner if you get one. i think you dont rly know how this works. | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
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droxe
Germany95 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:30 Xxio wrote: Yes. Korean commentators are really, really good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrNZUSAqX8&feature=player_embedded Damn, thanks for this. I remember watching it live, well, without the subs of course, and of course all the storylines and emotion that were in it. But still, viewing it again with the subs, actually understanding what they are actually saying, and the humor, wit and commentary, man, wonderful. Such a beautiful match, and such a beautiful game. Awesome. | ||
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33129 Posts
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abou
Denmark26 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
And they're damn funny on top of that :D Meanwhile I'm watching less and less of the GSL, mostly due to the casters. And by that I mean Code A and Code S. I'm pretty certain Wolf and Artosis, who both have genuine interest in the game, would make a great casting duo, but the way it currently is, I just don't know. The first couple seasons I actually loved Tastosis to hell and back, especially because they were (and somewhat still are of course) so funny. However, when I see how the Korean casters do their job I kinda feel justified that I just cannot take any more "by the way. go on Twitter and tweat about the GSL also, add me, I'm callmeTasteless, and Artosis on Twitter too!" "so... uhm... hmm, nothing really to talk about, Artosis, ask me a question!" "I don't really know what to say, the game is just pretty much over" Tasteless is a great guy that still has a lot funny things to say and makes me laugh every now and then, but apart from that he is just lacking in so damn much. Same goes for a hell lot of other casters. Often the biggest problem is the lack of knowledge of the game, without that, there aren't even ways to say something interesting for these guys. I mean in this translated cast the commentators shell out an insane amount of detailed analysis. If you take away these parts, due to lack of knowledge, then what's left really? Casters really have to step it up. I'd even want to say that playing the game at a decently high level like at least masters should almost be a requirement. Sure someone like TB does a good job without the highest knowledge but even he would of course benefit from that, as far as is Sc2 casting skills go. Homestory Cup is basically the only event where I don't have the streams muted a lot of the time, just because actual game knowledge does provide so much, that even though a lot pro gamers aren't quite the most articulate casters it's just damn interesting. And I hope that rather sooner than later we get the calibers of a Grubby casting games professionally. I mean I don't want to have progamers end their career but it seems like that's the way we get the really great casters in the future because a lot current casters just don't feel like playing a game at a high level is their "duty". | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
You know what would be pretty funny, is to see a game casted by Tasteless and Artosis subtitled in Korean for their fans to see. They'd be wondering "what the hell is wrong with these crazy Americans", lol. | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
makes me want to learn korean even more now | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
On March 26 2012 15:04 Parapa wrote: That means "yes indeed or absolutely or of course " that is positive reaction from previous casters.. I would upgrade to a premium ticket from a GSL light if you could get subtitles up of your korean vods. i'd always heard things about the korean casters being really good.... but i had no idea they where THIS far ahead of any of the competition. these guys are incredible. | ||
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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ZiegFeld
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These guys are better on every imaginable level, no wonder Starcraft is so crazy in Korea. | ||
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tetrismaan
Denmark302 Posts
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Singularity
Sweden142 Posts
Jesus christ they are so good! | ||
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
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Nuzoybot
Netherlands52 Posts
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Aunvilgod
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Very informative | ||
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goldenwitch
United States338 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On March 26 2012 16:16 Spicy_Curry wrote: Poll: Would you pay for english subtitled korean vods? Yes please! (100) maybe, depends on the price (35) No (22) 157 total votes Your vote: Would you pay for english subtitled korean vods? (Vote): Yes please! If we get enough content and perhaps better quality I would deffiently do it, so much better analysis and energy than the regular English casts. Feels like only Artosis and Day[9] got the same kind of analysis out there, not counting pro gamers of course. Could really need some more casting like this in the foreign scene, such depth and that. Amazing! | ||
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BearDK
Denmark101 Posts
my god please do more of these. this is so much better than what we're used to :o | ||
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carebear91
Singapore236 Posts
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
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Apoo
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Vindicare605
United States16053 Posts
I don't think it was living up to the hype this thread was making it out to be, until the BulGogi line. Then I started laughing. That was fun, do more of those. I wish I knew Korean. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:30 Xxio wrote: Yes. Korean commentators are really, really good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrNZUSAqX8&feature=player_embedded This was the first game of professional broodwar i ever watched live, and it had been such a long time since i had played, i had no idea of the meta game, or of Jangbi's story, or of the legend of the fall or the rest of it, and i still loved it. Watching it again just now with subtitles, an SC2 fan just cried a few tears for the first time ever watching any sport. @the op, thanks for this, it was really good, and i enjoyed it | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:12 Surili wrote: This was the first game of professional broodwar i ever watched live, and it had been such a long time since i had played, i had no idea of the meta game, or of Jangbi's story, or of the legend of the fall or the rest of it, and i still loved it. Watching it again just now with subtitles, an SC2 fan just cried a few tears for the first time ever watching any sport. @the op, thanks for this, it was really good, and i enjoyed it Lol Scouts  | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
The casting style is so much more dynamic and interesting to watch. Even Tastosis pails in comparison. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:53 TheTurk wrote: Thanks so much dude. The casting style is so much more dynamic and interesting to watch. Even Tastosis pails in comparison. Kinda felt like dual-Artosis to me | ||
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Bajsgrodan
Afghanistan408 Posts
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dala
Sweden477 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
thanks a lot. | ||
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Yenticha
257 Posts
Also, I really dislike over hyping a game that is already over. I know its their job, but once Z has all these ling/roach hanging out forever and P has equal eco and immortals+stalker ball... I also know they kinda said it (that Z had to attack), but they keep saying it, super excited, until the very end. I was much much more impressed by Idra casting. More insights, more relaxed, predicting even more what would happen and why. | ||
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Harrad
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lyrlian
Netherlands257 Posts
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Emptyness
Bulgaria1016 Posts
 - really its amazing how much we miss by not knowing what they are saying in all those crazy games that we are watching every day  | ||
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GamanNo
Sweden63 Posts
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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Yenticha
257 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:17 suki wrote: The great part of the korean casters is that they do such a great job of raising the energy level of the game. Even when the zerg is basically dead, they make the final few minutes so interesting that you can just ignore the inevitable end and get swept up in the excitement of their story. thats my problem with it. I really couldn't ignore that there was no way for Z to comeback. At that point I would have preferred some explanations about when Z had screwed up, what mistakes had been made, etc Am I really the only one preferring Idra style casting? And yeah I do understand that Korean style is better to hype up, and to make esports grow etc etc | ||
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droxe
Germany95 Posts
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paradoxOO9
United Kingdom1123 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
and I think your video is safe since it's the first game of the series | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:43 desRow wrote: Better than any other foreign caster, sucks people go for entertaining personality over this type of casting and I think your video is safe since it's the first game of the seriesBULGOGI!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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Marddox
United Kingdom108 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
But also, which casters could reach this level of casting? I mean the best analytically are probably Tastosis/IdrA, and even they aren't at this level... | ||
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willverrecken
80 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:43 desRow wrote: Better than any other foreign caster, sucks people go for entertaining personality over this type of casting and I think your video is safe since it's the first game of the seriesbut they have both. artosis and day9 are the only foreigner casters this good. On March 27 2012 02:22 Yenticha wrote: Am I really the only one preferring Idra style casting? 'this guy is bad and zerg is weak now fuck you all and give me money : |' the end why yes you are. | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
It'd be cool to have Day[9], Artosis and djWheat as a casting team. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:01 synapse wrote: This is why people say foreign casters are horrible. You don't have to a draw a line between play-by-play and analytic casting--it's possible to do both (these aren't even the best Korean casters, the BW casters are even better). Isn't Park Sang Hyun (the ex-MBC caster) commentating the GSTL now? I swear one of those voices sounds really familiar. | ||
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United States538 Posts
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Soto
Canada56 Posts
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Adventurekid
Sweden505 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:52 yarkO wrote: I got the same feeling watching(/reading) this as I did over the weekend, when I actually watched (and listened to) Day[9] cast a series at MLG. I was just blown away by how much information he was able to put in, and his flow with djWheat was incredible. It really reminded me of the old BW casts you used to post, and now I find this thread. It'd be cool to have Day[9], Artosis and djWheat as a casting team. Wheat doesn't bring much to that team IMO. | ||
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United States413 Posts
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dragonborn
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On March 27 2012 02:57 Kergy wrote: Isn't Park Sang Hyun (the ex-MBC caster) commentating the GSTL now? I swear one of those voices sounds really familiar. yes, he is now working for GOM. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On March 27 2012 03:14 DystopiaX wrote: Wheat doesn't bring much to that team IMO. He is undoubtably the best play by play commentator. I have watched a vast majority of Wheats casts and he has never made an incorrect assesment about whats going to happen in a game. Because he doesnt do that. He does play by play and sometimes brings his own thoughts into the mix. The level of understanding he has for the game far exceeds his own skill level. He made some of the best observations he has made during this MLG and Red Bull LAN. Contrast that with other commentators that often make predictions that are fairly far fetched and has to be corrected later or simply making erroneous assumptions or even worse, just missing super important stuff. Wheat is an expert at filling time, transitioning into important play by play and building hype. Frankly I'd even say he's better at play by play than Tasteless. Granted Tasteless has a higher level of understanding and should probably be seen more as a hybrid analasys/play by play caster and probably is the most well rounded caster along with day9. Well artosis could probably do that too but seems to have chosen the analasys as his forte. | ||
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Skiblet
South Africa206 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
Keep it up!! Going to check your other vids ^^ | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
more translations will help english casters improve i think, as it brings awareness. one to add, i realllly hope some of the sc2 casters take some basics in korean or at least prep (its not that hard)...many dont know how to pronounce some of the player's ID or real name. | ||
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Parnass
Germany145 Posts
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Lansky
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Instantly better than everything I've heard in English over the last year. | ||
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EndOfTime88
Austria259 Posts
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ilsamsamchil
155 Posts
But I would love to see wolf + tastosis(I think it's the best gsl english combination), energy might not be same as the Koreans but it would certainly help making watching VODs more helpful than watching replays. either that or tasteless needs to step it up and not just read things on the screen for the viewers like a caster would (notice how the Korean caster barely talks and only reads out key information like what has been scouted or not for first few minutes and that works because there's a third person to fill in the gap) and do more of actual commentating if they are going to keep 2 man team, tasteless turned soft and degraded into a JP in recent year and half or so. it's sometimes really sad how artosis has to cut off tasteless talking about silly things when there's something real going on in the screen. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
thanks for this! | ||
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namedplayer
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haitike
Spain2704 Posts
On March 27 2012 04:40 namedplayer wrote: English casters > korean casters imo. Yes, they can say "follow me at twitter" and "the player X is going to do Y" or "Z is dead". They are so pros. | ||
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Ebzy
United Kingdom153 Posts
Good job, would love to see more! | ||
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
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Zamiel
United States211 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On March 27 2012 04:49 shiroiusagi wrote: Makes me wish foreign casters talked like that. They threw out some nice specific facts that most casters don't do. And it was all SC2, nothing really said that wasn't SC2. It always is refreshing to see casters ready with good stats. They verbally threw in puzzle in ro8 of gsl (iirc), and I really never remember any english casters doing as well with stats (they generally would say "well he does well in gsl" or things such as that which sound a little underprepared. Not "he can handle pressure, he even made ro8 gsl recently!" or whatever the phrase is). shows good professionalism. Note I haven't watched sc2 for a little while, except for the most recent MLG. | ||
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Tuxedo
United States134 Posts
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On March 27 2012 05:42 N.geNuity wrote: It always is refreshing to see casters ready with good stats. They verbally threw in puzzle in ro8 of gsl (iirc), and I really never remember any english casters doing as well with stats (they generally would say "well he does well in gsl" or things such as that which sound a little underprepared. Not "he can handle pressure, he even made ro8 gsl recently!" or whatever the phrase is). shows good professionalism. Note I haven't watched sc2 for a little while, except for the most recent MLG. Apollo is excellent with stats but other than that I agree, most casters doesn't seem to put in any effort to in being knowledgeable of the players. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
On March 27 2012 04:46 haitike wrote: Yes, they can say "follow me at twitter" and "the player X is going to do Y" or "Z is dead". They are so pros. Oh and I love how every caster has to introduce himself again after every break -_- (at least they don't do it in the GSL) | ||
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Eruaphadion
Canada78 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
Can't be too hard to even just go on Liquipedia before a day of Code A/S or tournament and look up his results and write them down. Come on. Less banter, more knowledge. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
moletrap, i found to be very good when it comes to player stats. just pointing out the professionalism from korean casters are apparent. casters dont need to be ex-pro, they need to study, as a real professional would do for their job. | ||
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Tipany
United States368 Posts
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Areon
United States273 Posts
However, if you're going to make more of these, please just do whatever to not screw up the subtitles. The bottom of the last line was always cut in half which is, quite frankly, just embarrassing. I'm sure people will want to see more of these videos and you did a great job with the writing but fix the positioning and you're on your way to internet fame. | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
hopefully english casters pick up some idea of how casting should be done, we have awesome guys like dapollo, day9 and tastosis, but this is on another level | ||
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mjnbowlgod
198 Posts
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TzTz
Germany511 Posts
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Sandtrout
243 Posts
please make more! now I wish I could understand korean... | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On March 27 2012 07:09 TzTz wrote: Wow i remember this felt bad watching it the last time with english commentary, but with this you can really appreciate the skill of both players, very very nice It's like a whole new game........... | ||
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wassup
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
Tastosis has to step it up. | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On March 27 2012 06:52 Areon wrote: Oh. My. God. The Korean commentators are absolutely amazing. Those guys put nearly all other casters to shame. I've never seen so much insight into a game AND enthusiasm at the same time. However, if you're going to make more of these, please just do whatever to not screw up the subtitles. The bottom of the last line was always cut in half which is, quite frankly, just embarrassing. I'm sure people will want to see more of these videos and you did a great job with the writing but fix the positioning and you're on your way to internet fame. You can see most of the subtitles if you view on full screen. It seems youtube's video player covers a bit of the bottom. | ||
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Shinobi1982
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groms
Canada1017 Posts
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
On March 27 2012 08:54 groms wrote: I wish I had never seen this.... Is that because the casting is amazing or because the casting is fucking amazing? | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On March 27 2012 07:53 Shinobi1982 wrote: Yea, makes Tastosis look like... meh at best, not to mention other English casters all over the world. I would pay to watch of vods 1-2 day later with proper "fansub-like" subtitles of GSL games. Not the ordinary GSL subtitles where they translate like 1/3, make 2-3 sentence summery of a 1 minute worth of talk etc. although as a (ex-)fansubber, I'd say that the styling/typesetting needs some work :S @FConnectionUK: if you want to join up I can do the timing/typesetting technically/if you want I guess? :o idk | ||
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groms
Canada1017 Posts
On March 27 2012 09:14 Shebuha wrote: Is that because the casting is amazing or because the casting is fucking amazing? The second one. sigh. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
Yeah, I muted Ironsquid to watch the subtitled video and then when it was done I just closed Ironsquid. lol | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On March 27 2012 09:30 Shebuha wrote: Yeah, I muted Ironsquid to watch the subtitled video and then when it was done I just closed Ironsquid. lol come to think of it, safe to assume casting of bw played a big role in its longevity? | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
The game is SO BORING to watch with most current English commentators. And I will readily admit it's because my own knowledge is poor, so I can't pick up on a lot of things. Watching this video was like watching a whole different game, full of subtleties and feints and logical motivations behind each move. It also makes you appreciate the high level thinking of top level players. MORE PLEASE! =D | ||
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Insomni7
667 Posts
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
Please do more BW <3 | ||
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Verator
United States283 Posts
Not all koreans are this good, and not all foriegn casters are worse than this | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
Thank you for the work, very fun to watch again from the Korean casters perspective. GGGGGG GGGGGGG! | ||
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Slate
Singapore112 Posts
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
I'm not sure if I would watch it always subtitled because I'm spending my time reading more than actually watching the game. Just wish I knew Korean.. lol | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
To the author: hopefully you will read this. Please try adding different colors to the text for each commentator; that way it's easier to tell who's saying what. As it is now, I find it hard to distinguish between who's saying what just because I am reading (sometimes ahead) while simultaneously watching the match, occupying most of the brain's focus— plus it's in another language. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
Seriously, this is really cool. Thanks for subtitling this - and an entertaining game too! | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10293 Posts
I would have to say, especially what seems to continual improvement as seen from MLG winter championship, DJwheat + day9 is a GREAT combo. Their voices fit well, they don't cut each other off much or make awkward pauses and such. Day9 can analysis and has good game sense/knowledge. DJwheat doesn't seem to say "wrong" things neither. Artosis is great. He can analyze AND shoutcast. His enthusiasm is great. But whenever I watch tastosis it seems like artosis is doing 70% of the job and tasteless only 30%. In terms of the time each person speaks and the influence they have on the game. Artosis, day9, and djwheat are the best casters that I've heard. However it seems like even their analysis and casting isn't as good as the koreans. The koreans don't ever lose the chance to shout, and don't lose the chance to bring the tension back down. Tastosis (especially artosis) can bring a lot of hype to the game, b ut many times they may be talking about one thing and miss another. Like MKP vs Genius, there were SO many probe kills, yet artosis/tasteless were talking mundanely. Koreans would have been like OMG 10 PROBE KILLS! NO 15 !!! 21 PROBE KILLS! etc. Korean casters compared to the best of the english casters may not be THAT much better in terms of analysis (though it seems they are way better, but maybe i'm biased too much), but their incredible energy puts them way above the rest. | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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xenoid
Canada41 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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wwowz
Canada156 Posts
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HaN-
France1919 Posts
(yಠ,ಠ)y ME, Y U NO KOREAN | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
On March 27 2012 09:39 jinorazi wrote: come to think of it, safe to assume casting of bw played a big role in its longevity? As far as I'm concerned, I tend to agree... | ||
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Toastmold
Canada207 Posts
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
I got such a clear understanding of the game and the decision making. puzzle made a small but expensive army and faked an attack, lucky made a freak ton of units and the attack never came. When Puzzle expanded lucky ended up with a big army he HAD to attack with else he was behind. Puzzle got blink and immortals before the attack came and lucky was not able to do the damage he needed to do and lost. English casters would have been so critical of Lucky but it was a brilliant plan by Puzzle. I felt like I learned so much in this game, and this is the match up I understand the best! | ||
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frontline-
Bulgaria281 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
Koreans imba casters | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
not to bash on any of the current casters.. but I find some of them lack a lot of knowledge required to cast competitive matches. | ||
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
GomTV should thank you, because of this post I am now a GSL Premium Subscriber :D | ||
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catleaves
United States506 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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gibb
Sweden288 Posts
These guys are real pros! I'd love to see some of our better casters try out this style of talking about the decisionmaking.. | ||
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SirRobin
United States269 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
I heard that the OGN guys did a fine job commentating SC2 at WCG, and that  TheMarine was most exquisite. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On March 27 2012 04:18 EndOfTime88 wrote: While the commentary is good, I don't see a big difference between them, and what we get from Tastosis, aside from the fact they elaborate more articulately on aspects of the game that are common knowledge. I'm halfway through the match and I haven't heard -Nerdchills -Nerdgasms -Endless random stories about piratebirds or other grade school nonsense -Endless stories about what their favorite cereal/NES-game/pizza-toppings/soft-drinks are The Korean commentators make the game and the players central, instead of turning into amateur-comedy night with a game playing in the background | ||
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DeadBull
421 Posts
GSL got a little bit boring lately and I couldn't find out why. It's really a shame that the current english GSL casters are so outclassed by the korean casters -_- WE have to tell GOMTV !! | ||
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haitike
Spain2704 Posts
It is not that i prefer LoL, It is curiosity if they have the same Game Knowleadge about LoL. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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the_wiz4rd
Canada79 Posts
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sAyMole
Korea (South)35 Posts
Aside from the GSL, casters like JP, Wheat, and TB are non-satisfactory as well. They come up short in both game play knowledge and enthusiasm. though I do want to acknowledge that I feel like they fulfill a more casual-friendly role to the e-sports scene, and maybe help acclimate newer viewers to the more basic elements of the game. The only real exception I can think of is day[9], but even he comes short in enthusiasm (Husky is the opposite: overly enthusiastic but no insightful knowledge). I'm a Korean American and even though I'm much more comfortable with English as my primary language, I grew up watching SC:BW with the default Korean commentating. I believe the foreign scene is more than capable of performing, imo it's a matter of accepting the fact there is ways to go to improve (crucial), and stepping up to the plate. I would love to feel this engaged and excited about a game I'm watching, the next time I come across a vod commentated by foreign casters. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
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DaCheF
United States305 Posts
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
The play-in-play-style is similar to what Khaldor used to do when casting in WC3, which in my opinion he wasn't able to convert into SC2. When he tried to talk that fast and excitedly in the beginning of his SC2 casts he often just repeats the same sentence in lack of something meaningful to say. Plus with the language barrier he slides too often into phrases, which is very hard to fix :| | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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BurgerAce
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:05 BurgerAce wrote: They have a lot of energy, but shaddup about how "insightful and informative" they were. Toss did a light gateway pressure and took a third behind it. Zerg overreacted, underdroned, and failed to shut down the third base with his allin. That's it. That was the whole game. I can describe every single SC2 game in this way but ignoring the subtleties of micro, decision making and scouting. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
Please do more of these, and English commentators (specifically the Code A commentators) - look to emulate this style! | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
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Xyik
Canada728 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 27 2012 17:42 Lann555 wrote: I'm halfway through the match and I haven't heard -Nerdchills -Nerdgasms -Endless random stories about piratebirds or other grade school nonsense -Endless stories about what their favorite cereal/NES-game/pizza-toppings/soft-drinks are The Korean commentators make the game and the players central, instead of turning into amateur-comedy night with a game playing in the background I think if you put Artosis and Apollo together, with maybe Day[9], you would get perhaps similarly great commentating, assuming they were trying to make the commentary like these guys do, rather than trying deliberately to put in the dumb humour and so on. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:05 BurgerAce wrote: They have a lot of energy, but shaddup about how "insightful and informative" they were. Toss did a light gateway pressure and took a third behind it. Zerg overreacted, underdroned, and failed to shut down the third base with his allin. That's it. That was the whole game. Yes that was the whole game, and the koreans nailed the analysis and still made it exciting. The english version of this cast would be "Hey artosis, ask me a question." | ||
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Fydor
Canada43 Posts
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:19 Oboeman wrote: Yes that was the whole game, and the koreans nailed the analysis and still made it exciting. The english version of this cast would be "Hey artosis, ask me a question." To be fair, Tastotois is at their game during the GSL grand finals. I don't mind the banther especially if you're at a barcraft watching. Just have to do it at the right times and it has to be interesting or funny and not forced (which sadly it has become). | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:19 Oboeman wrote: Yes that was the whole game, and the koreans nailed the analysis and still made it exciting. The english version of this cast would be "Hey artosis, ask me a question." Tasteless likes to keep it simple and explain in terms even a first time watcher can understand what is going on. For example he likes to say "For you folks at home that may not know what's going on, essentially the Zerg is doing...". On the other hand the Korean casters aren't so user friendly. If this was your first time watching, and he comentator said that the zerg needs to trade his roaches for sentries right now or he'll lose I guarantee you you wouldn't understand anything. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
These guys are professionals, nuff said. | ||
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black_ICE
United States59 Posts
I don't know if this an average everyday cast, but it seemed like the commentators were able to properly predict what was going to happen and explain why it was going to happen. I'm getting tired of analysis like "he will win this battle if he controls perfectly" and leaving it like that or at the beginning of the game saying "he could be opening like A, or maybe B or even C, we'll just have to wait and see." It felt to me like the Korean commentators were treating the viewers like adults and not dumbing it down. Either that or they have a seemingly better understanding of the game compared to English commentators. Just felt good watching that cast. ^_^ | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On March 28 2012 08:30 Shinespark wrote: Tasteless likes to keep it simple and explain in terms even a first time watcher can understand what is going on. For example he likes to say "For you folks at home that may not know what's going on, essentially the Zerg is doing...". On the other hand the Korean casters aren't so user friendly. If this was your first time watching, and he comentator said that the zerg needs to trade his roaches for sentries right now or he'll lose I guarantee you you wouldn't understand anything. And just how many first time watchers do you think there are for any given cast? That's an audience so incredibly, incredibly small that it blows my mind that anyone would bother to cater to them. It's not like someone will immediately lose interest and turn off the stream if there is something they don't understand, hell it's impossible to explain everything. The Korean casters did a very good job of relaying the general flow of the game in a very accessible fashion and they made it exciting. I actually think this style of casting can do a far better job of engaging new viewers than anything I have seen so far in English. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
Also one thing that irritates the crap out of me is when casters prematurely kill the hype of the game by saying "oh its over, expect gg" or anything along these lines. DO NOT DO THIS. You do not have to scream and yell GG!!!!!! but atleast save the hype till the very last moment, even if it is obvious. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On March 28 2012 09:05 biology]major wrote: amazing stuff, now those are casting professionals. Insight + excitement all in one. I find myself muting foreign casters more and more often these days, just because the information relayed is so trivial. I hope they learn and better themselves Also one thing that irritates the crap out of me is when casters prematurely kill the hype of the game by saying "oh its over, expect gg" or anything along these lines. DO NOT DO THIS. You do not have to scream and yell GG!!!!!! but atleast save the hype till the very last moment, even if it is obvious. This should be rule #1 for casters. They kill all the hype by preemtivly stating,"Oh looks like we'll soon have the gg" -_- | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On March 28 2012 09:47 HolyArrow wrote: Awesome, just watched the VoD, very enjoyable. Would love to see more of these done. Even cooler would be an initiative by Gom to subtitle all their vods, though that would be a ton of work, I'd pay more as well. Dude, I would do the same. I'm sure it's far from practical or feasible for them to sub every cast, but man would it be awesome.This one game was far superior to what we get from any English cast. Thanks to OP for posting this! | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On March 28 2012 09:47 HolyArrow wrote: Awesome, just watched the VoD, very enjoyable. Would love to see more of these done. Even cooler would be an initiative by Gom to subtitle all their vods, though that would be a ton of work, I'd pay more as well. I actually asked them if they could let me do it (for some money, since I need money anyways but I do like esports so I'd do it for less than I'd do for other places) but they felt that artosis+tasteless were enough and said no essentially (then again this was like Open 2 or 3) :| | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On March 28 2012 08:30 Shinespark wrote: Tasteless likes to keep it simple and explain in terms even a first time watcher can understand what is going on. For example he likes to say "For you folks at home that may not know what's going on, essentially the Zerg is doing...". On the other hand the Korean casters aren't so user friendly. If this was your first time watching, and he comentator said that the zerg needs to trade his roaches for sentries right now or he'll lose I guarantee you you wouldn't understand anything. Would you focus on your 10% new crowd or your 90% crowd that knows wtf is going on. | ||
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ScaringKids
Portugal819 Posts
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Stringy
United States127 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On March 28 2012 10:32 Assirra wrote: Would you focus on your 10% new crowd or your 90% crowd that knows wtf is going on. That's just Tasteless. Artosis does the in-depth analysis. Together they cover the entire spectrum of viewer knowledge from zero to Artosis, that's a pretty large spectrum. | ||
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uminori
Mexico6 Posts
On March 26 2012 20:34 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Woah thanks a lot, that's one fantastic casting these Korean commentators have going on! A constant flow of interesting information and so much enthusiasm behind it, just great. And they're damn funny on top of that :D Meanwhile I'm watching less and less of the GSL, mostly due to the casters. And by that I mean Code A and Code S. I'm pretty certain Wolf and Artosis, who both have genuine interest in the game, would make a great casting duo, but the way it currently is, I just don't know. The first couple seasons I actually loved Tastosis to hell and back, especially because they were (and somewhat still are of course) so funny. However, when I see how the Korean casters do their job I kinda feel justified that I just cannot take any more "by the way. go on Twitter and tweat about the GSL also, add me, I'm callmeTasteless, and Artosis on Twitter too!" "so... uhm... hmm, nothing really to talk about, Artosis, ask me a question!" "I don't really know what to say, the game is just pretty much over" Tasteless is a great guy that still has a lot funny things to say and makes me laugh every now and then, but apart from that he is just lacking in so damn much. Same goes for a hell lot of other casters. Often the biggest problem is the lack of knowledge of the game, without that, there aren't even ways to say something interesting for these guys. I mean in this translated cast the commentators shell out an insane amount of detailed analysis. If you take away these parts, due to lack of knowledge, then what's left really? Casters really have to step it up. I'd even want to say that playing the game at a decently high level like at least masters should almost be a requirement. Sure someone like TB does a good job without the highest knowledge but even he would of course benefit from that, as far as is Sc2 casting skills go. Homestory Cup is basically the only event where I don't have the streams muted a lot of the time, just because actual game knowledge does provide so much, that even though a lot pro gamers aren't quite the most articulate casters it's just damn interesting. And I hope that rather sooner than later we get the calibers of a Grubby casting games professionally. I mean I don't want to have progamers end their career but it seems like that's the way we get the really great casters in the future because a lot current casters just don't feel like playing a game at a high level is their "duty". Amidst the almost immune status that Tastosis enjoys I have had this opinion for a long time. It really surprises me how people are satisfied with Tasteless. I agree that seems to be a great person but his lack of knowledge of the game is seriously hurting the quality of the duo's casting. It feels like most of his in-game knowledge stems from his Brood War times. His predictions and analysis are really lackluster. Artosis is great and would probably develop more casting with someone who has the same passion for the game as he does. | ||
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r4pture
United States397 Posts
English casters are just NOT exciting. TotalBiscuit IMO makes up for his lack of knowledge by bringing in hype to what he cast, and when paired with a knowledgeable (IE dApollo) he makes for part of a perfect cast for me. More casters really need to ramp up the hype! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:18 SeaSwift wrote: I think if you put Artosis and Apollo together, with maybe Day[9], you would get perhaps similarly great commentating, assuming they were trying to make the commentary like these guys do, rather than trying deliberately to put in the dumb humour and so on. Artosis is a truly good caster when paired with a more serious individual. Artosis/Chill is one of the better casting combo's I've seen and I think Artosis/Apollo would be amazing. Apollo really is a great caster imho. Understands the game well and gets excited at the right moments without going completely nuts. | ||
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Solo Terran
367 Posts
Also things I hate in casting: - "expect GG any moment" Oh really, thanks that really increases everyones enjoyment when you bring that up. - "Theres gonna be some downtime so it's time for us to completely stop talking about the game and how scouting is effecting their strategies etc and talk about purple dinosaurs for 5 minutes instead". -every fucking strategy used is apparently an all in even if they are still making workers and expanding behind this strategy. Even the top english casters like tastosis do this. That said I still love all the english casters but wish they would make an effort to try and be more analytical like the Korean casters. But to be honest I don't think they know the game as well as the korean casters do. | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
Sorry to pick on Wolf, he's okay, he just seems fucking BORED most of the time. Which Korean commentators never ever do. People like Day9 because he screams and yells to get excited, but to be honest, he overdoes it and even interrupts HIS OWN analysis to scream. Example from MLG: So Dong Rae Gu has two options here, he can 1) bulk up that army and OH MY GOD LOOK AT THAT CREEP SPREAD, SUCH SICK CREEP SPREAD....and then never finishes his point. All about dat balance. | ||
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Highways
Australia6098 Posts
The problem with tastosis is that there is so much silence, no excitement and half the stuff they say are non related to the game. I think Tasteless is the main problem because his knowledge of the game is very low and is unable to provide any deep analysis. You may argue that he is the colour commentator so he doesn't need to analyse, but he rarely raises his voice with excitement. The only things that Tasteless seems to be good at are agreeing with Artosis and telling random non-starcraft stories. | ||
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
Korean commentators were far and away better than any foreigner caster i`ve seen (except tastosis on a very good day). They know A LOT about the game; they make the game narrative and tension by describing what needs to happen for a player to get an advantage, instead of just describing what is going on in the stream; they can get you very excited by their voices alone. Some foreigner casting pairs can do one or another of those things, but not nearly as well, and certainly not at the same time. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
Today tastosis "Babies are taking over the world" | ||
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Sandtrout
243 Posts
On March 29 2012 01:14 Assirra wrote: Why can't we have it like that? Today tastosis "Babies are taking over the world" To be fair, they were probably jetlagged and said they didn't have their own computer, so they could only see what the observer already showed. So today shouldn't be taken to measure their normal casting. But yes, even Tastosis have a lot to improve compared to this video. | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
I had no idea how in depth and informative the Korean casts and makes me wish we had more of that style in our foreigner community. I love to hear them sound so passionate about the game they are casting, it doesn't seem like like a chore to them. It doesn't sound like they are hung up on trying to be "cool", and are just doing a great job casting. Thanks for this! | ||
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
Brb gonna go sign up for intensive Korean lessons. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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NDDseer
Australia204 Posts
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Mawderator
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15414 Posts
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KirA_TheGreaT
France204 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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krayzy
Belgium66 Posts
Thanks a lot for this, keep up the good work! | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On March 31 2012 00:17 gullberg wrote: I hope the english commentators are taking notes :D it would make me sad if they dont realize how much they can learn from korean casters | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
I really hope GOM takes this and runs with it- at minimum, by providing you with the rights to do subtitles as you please. The NA community are very avid consumers of broadcast sporting media. This could help drive NA subscriptions to GOM content. And by "could help" I mean, "definitely will contribute to in a statistically meaningful way" | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On March 31 2012 00:37 TRAP[yoo] wrote: it would make me sad if they dont realize how much they can learn from korean casters well, majority of current sc2 casters are ex-bw players/casters. they know the korean scene and they have watched korean bw plenty of times. and i'm sure they have seen some of the translations done in the past. the korean scene have commented in regards to tastosis, what they said is "korean casters present the game to you, english casters watch the game with you". i think culture is big factor but i'd like to see more professionalism from english casters. (i'm not sure how to explain/distinguish this professionalism) korean casters indeed, present the game to you in a professional manner. english casters are like friends chit chatting about the game as they watch, imo. the pro/amateur feeling is what i get when i compare korean/english casts, even the days of bw when english casters started. i had trouble listening to them then(bw) and i still do (reason why i stopped buying tickets for gsl after season 2 and started again with korean vods in 2012) | ||
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Magic_Mike
United States542 Posts
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Spoogymcgee
Australia14 Posts
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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wcLLg
United States281 Posts
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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noax
Canada150 Posts
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pique
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On March 31 2012 08:07 jinorazi wrote: well, majority of current sc2 casters are ex-bw players/casters. they know the korean scene and they have watched korean bw plenty of times. and i'm sure they have seen some of the translations done in the past. the korean scene have commented in regards to tastosis, what they said is "korean casters present the game to you, english casters watch the game with you". i think culture is big factor but i'd like to see more professionalism from english casters. (i'm not sure how to explain/distinguish this professionalism) korean casters indeed, present the game to you in a professional manner. english casters are like friends chit chatting about the game as they watch, imo. the pro/amateur feeling is what i get when i compare korean/english casts, even the days of bw when english casters started. i had trouble listening to them then(bw) and i still do (reason why i stopped buying tickets for gsl after season 2 and started again with korean vods in 2012) I read this comment as I have the GSTL playing in the background, only to notice Wolf talking about pokemon when I finished your post. T_____T Edit - Ok, in fairness, Squirtle was one of the players so I can see how that worked it's way into conversation. | ||
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
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syst
United States247 Posts
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Baozer
Sweden159 Posts
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On March 31 2012 16:02 EvilTeletubby wrote: I read this comment as I have the GSTL playing in the background, only to notice Wolf talking about pokemon when I finished your post. T_____T Edit - Ok, in fairness, Squirtle was one of the players so I can see how that worked it's way into conversation. Why do we want casters even talk about pokemon thing anyways? I could accept small reference if audience has some sign etc but not everytime Squirtle plays. I still don't understand why can't english casters have paper (1 page) for each player that is playing where they can look all interesting statistics. How he plays, who has been his opponent etc. But rarely they even know who that guy played against last time. It just seems that english casters are lazy. Gather information about players. Its very annoying to hear "I don't know that much about this player really", why are you caster/commentator then? Is it really that hard to go through last 20-30 games of that player and update your paper sheet when needed? Smaller tournaments like online cups and so on casters can be more liberal but bigger tournaments they need to more "professional" | ||
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Grubby
Netherlands318 Posts
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birchman
Sweden393 Posts
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
I would love to hear English commentators portray games this way, but it's just not in our culture to pronouce and become infatuated with certain events. It's quite sad, but that's just how it's always been for any professional sports broadcasters who speak English (particularly American dialect). | ||
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DoomBacon
United States165 Posts
On March 31 2012 22:25 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Why do we want casters even talk about pokemon thing anyways? I could accept small reference if audience has some sign etc but not everytime Squirtle plays. I still don't understand why can't english casters have paper (1 page) for each player that is playing where they can look all interesting statistics. How he plays, who has been his opponent etc. But rarely they even know who that guy played against last time. It just seems that english casters are lazy. Gather information about players. Its very annoying to hear "I don't know that much about this player really", why are you caster/commentator then? Is it really that hard to go through last 20-30 games of that player and update your paper sheet when needed? Smaller tournaments like online cups and so on casters can be more liberal but bigger tournaments they need to more "professional" I agree. It also bothers me that even the best english casters often haven't even looked at new maps that have been added to the map pool even though the addition had been announced for weeks. | ||
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Shadowforce17
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di3alot
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
Didn't realize the casters were as energetic as their BW brethren! | ||
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
I wonder which is true: 1 - Tastosis CAN cast like this, but are told to/want to appeal to a broader audience - maybe asuming the forreign stream viewership is less schooled? 2 - Tastosis CANNOT cast like this. Btw... This is NOT a bash in Tastosis - I love them to bits. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On April 03 2012 10:19 Pasargadae wrote: Does anyone know how to watch the streams in Korean? First time watching a SC2 match in Korean and it's safe to say I've been converted Didn't realize the casters were as energetic as their BW brethren! There is no simple way but i think the easiest way is probably VPN the korean gom site since it refuses to play unless you are in Korea. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On April 03 2012 23:18 jammedk wrote: I finally got around to watching this. WOW - amazing. Gonna watch it again. I feel like I learned so much. I wonder which is true: 1 - Tastosis CAN cast like this, but are told to/want to appeal to a broader audience - maybe asuming the forreign stream viewership is less schooled? 2 - Tastosis CANNOT cast like this. Btw... This is NOT a bash in Tastosis - I love them to bits. Artosis can cast like this, just watch when he get the chance to cast with some progamer (like with TLO on DH Winter(?) it was such a good cast. It's when he cast with someone that also got alot of game knowledge he really shines and you get this kind of high quality knowledge bomb casting style like the korean casters. Tasteless could cast like this in BW too, and Tastosis had some good BW casts but in sc2 they have gotten so much attention for how funny they are etc so I don't think they want to change their "style" like Tasteless is mentioning quite often. But anyway, I don't think they could cast like this in sc2 atm anyway because Tasteless sc2 knowledge isn't good enough to keep up with Artosis. Just look like how they are casting now, Tasteless is pretty much only there to tell jokes, call GG's and scream "OH MY GOD!!" with fake enthusiasm. | ||
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Dullahan
United States248 Posts
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
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WerderBremen
Germany1070 Posts
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
Did anybody else find the subtitles sorta boring? It was interesting to see what they were gonna talk about, but I didn't really enjoy myself. The early part of the game was simple reiteration of the way that ZvP works, going over basics that would get tedious if repeated every ZvP. Then they extrapolated rather absurd conclusions about the two players being "evenly matched" from their "similar MU win ratios," which they didn't really explain. Surely these two players haven't played enough in the GSL for that to matter. The rest, for the most part, was a ton of simply stating what was in the production queue. "He's making immortals...! And now that he's lost his roaches, he's making mutas...!" etc. Oddly, I didn't see them mention the spire until the mutas were in production. :-/ Didn't really seem that interesting. | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:22 Yenticha wrote: thats my problem with it. I really couldn't ignore that there was no way for Z to comeback. At that point I would have preferred some explanations about when Z had screwed up, what mistakes had been made, etc Am I really the only one preferring Idra style casting? And yeah I do understand that Korean style is better to hype up, and to make esports grow etc etc No, I'm with you. They didn't even mention that zerg had failed two expensive attacks, and that was almost definitely gonna cost him the game when the protoss counterattacked. All they said is, "It's his job to defend now." It was a really shallow description of the situation. I don't think the Korean style is at all "necessary" for e-sports. It just wasn't interesting to me. I kept wanting them to either provide more depth and not just tell me what's on the screen, or at least say something amusing. | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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badamadab
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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LisKelicious
Germany36 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:09 suejak wrote: Thanks for the subtitles! Did anybody else find the subtitles sorta boring? It was interesting to see what they were gonna talk about, but I didn't really enjoy myself. The early part of the game was simple reiteration of the way that ZvP works, going over basics that would get tedious if repeated every ZvP. Then they extrapolated rather absurd conclusions about the two players being "evenly matched" from their "similar MU win ratios," which they didn't really explain. Surely these two players haven't played enough in the GSL for that to matter. The rest, for the most part, was a ton of simply stating what was in the production queue. "He's making immortals...! And now that he's lost his roaches, he's making mutas...!" etc. Oddly, I didn't see them mention the spire until the mutas were in production. :-/ Didn't really seem that interesting. kind of hard to compare if there's no 2nd video to compare to | ||
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MateFeedKill
United States25 Posts
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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IseeFish
United States45 Posts
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Apples8u
Canada46 Posts
I love the korean casters... Always so excited at relevant times and no wasted words. Very insightful analysis (: | ||
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pampelmus
Switzerland215 Posts
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Keone
United States812 Posts
is actually Day[9]. I think the Korean casts are just so much more fun because they really work so damn hard in them to make it exciting, fun, and yet at the same time, cram as much knowledge as possible into the games. Which I feel is exactly what Day[9] tries to bring every time. Often times foreign casters will just "give up" on a game and sit back, and have nothing to say for a while. However, it's rare to hear Korean casters sit back and do nothing; they're always shouting something as if the probes are about to selfdestruct and teleport into the opponent's main. Obviously jk but my point remains the same. Evidence that Day[9] is the greatest caster ever: | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
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Tigerlily
Sweden20 Posts
On April 03 2012 23:18 jammedk wrote: I finally got around to watching this. WOW - amazing. Gonna watch it again. I feel like I learned so much. I wonder which is true: 1 - Tastosis CAN cast like this, but are told to/want to appeal to a broader audience - maybe asuming the forreign stream viewership is less schooled? 2 - Tastosis CANNOT cast like this. Btw... This is NOT a bash in Tastosis - I love them to bits. I think its: 3. Artosis can cast like this. Tastosis cannot, unfortunately. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
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1a2a3aPro
Canada227 Posts
Until then, I watch Brood War a lot, but despite playing SC2, I can't watch it. It's worse than the TG-Samba Intel Classic or GomTV's brood war tournament, were Tasteless brought up things like goat milk and panda bear guys instead of actually casting the game. He uses his humour as a crutch. Tasteless: Either learn the game, or step down. | ||
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1a2a3aPro
Canada227 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:56 Keone wrote: To be honest, I think the closest caster to the Koreans... is actually Day[9]. I think the Korean casts are just so much more fun because they really work so damn hard in them to make it exciting, fun, and yet at the same time, cram as much knowledge as possible into the games. Which I feel is exactly what Day[9] tries to bring every time. Often times foreign casters will just "give up" on a game and sit back, and have nothing to say for a while. However, it's rare to hear Korean casters sit back and do nothing; they're always shouting something as if the probes are about to selfdestruct and teleport into the opponent's main. Obviously jk but my point remains the same. Evidence that Day[9] is the greatest caster ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dqYxpxegrk That was Day[9] being BM mostly, as TeamLiquid collectively didn't care for Combat that much. He was more political and fair about it then most, but a lot of commentator bias and acting a little buzzed (perhaps he was, literally). Funny, and decent commentary, but if you want to see him really shine, go watch him somewhere between daily #50 and #100 of his old dailies. Amazing analysis, especially in TvT (where experience and analysis really shine). While you're at it, if you're an SC2 viewer looking to get into Brood War, watch the recent Proleague finals match. It was very solid. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
THANK YOU. I remember watching that game, it was good. But, honestly, korean casters just made it EPIC. I WANT MORE plz ^^ | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6255 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On April 12 2012 18:29 Azzur wrote: After hearing so many english casts - with many poor ones even by high profile casters - would love to see more of these subtitles done! Haha. Here because you listened to Tastosis ramble on about Pokemon for 10 minutes? That was hilarious and entertaining, but in a very irrelevant, incorrect way. I like how the Korean commentators are very focused into the game and try to bring knowledge from all areas. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
1. Korean casters. They tell us what happens usually and then appear surprised when something changes. Not particularly technical, not especially useful. The preamble at the start of that match was complete rubbish but the excitement mid match was very fun to watch. 2. Day9/dApollo. Here is what I think will happen, here is what I think the players will do. Usually the type of caster you want to watch if you're actually interested in what is going on. Tend to have the best read of the game. Not always exciting to listen to. 3. Tasteless/Artosis - banter, play by play and technical analysis. Probably the best balance overall, but runs the risk of becoming overreliant on "chemistry". 4. Sports casters - TotalBiscuit is the archetypical caster of this type. Lots of shouting, absolutely no real analysis of any type. Their purpose is to provide a backing track to your own thoughts about the game and make it more exciting. This is more or less what 90% of real sports casters do in fast paced games - watch any game of La Liga or the Premier League. The only thing missing really is the Analysis Couch, where key moments of the game could be picked out and displayed. It is quite silly that we haven't done this already, given how easy it is to load replays of Starcraft 2. | ||
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HighlyToxic
France101 Posts
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nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
They are fun to listen to even if I don't understand a word they are saying, but with subtitles it's awesome! | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
I know a lot of people here hate(d) on klazart, but I loved him so much because he actually got excited about the game. The caster that is excited about the game gets you to care about the game. THAT is the important part. Storylines, emotion, that is what gets people involved and into the scene. | ||
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Bellazuk
Canada146 Posts
i would totally pay for that service. | ||
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HQuality
2682 Posts
Man there's DEFINITELY HUGE GAP in casting skills ! Such a pleasure to watch. Too bad didn't know korean tho please make more subtitles! | ||
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ItsPondo
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Marddox
United Kingdom108 Posts
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
Korean casters are so much better than foreign casters even tastosis have a long way to go | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
SC2 with korean commentary like this is almost as awesome as BW, the metagame only needs to develop more | ||
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Greece184 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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United Kingdom108 Posts
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