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Fydor
Canada43 Posts
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:19 Oboeman wrote: Yes that was the whole game, and the koreans nailed the analysis and still made it exciting. The english version of this cast would be "Hey artosis, ask me a question." To be fair, Tastotois is at their game during the GSL grand finals. I don't mind the banther especially if you're at a barcraft watching. Just have to do it at the right times and it has to be interesting or funny and not forced (which sadly it has become). | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:19 Oboeman wrote: Yes that was the whole game, and the koreans nailed the analysis and still made it exciting. The english version of this cast would be "Hey artosis, ask me a question." Tasteless likes to keep it simple and explain in terms even a first time watcher can understand what is going on. For example he likes to say "For you folks at home that may not know what's going on, essentially the Zerg is doing...". On the other hand the Korean casters aren't so user friendly. If this was your first time watching, and he comentator said that the zerg needs to trade his roaches for sentries right now or he'll lose I guarantee you you wouldn't understand anything. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
These guys are professionals, nuff said. | ||
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black_ICE
United States59 Posts
I don't know if this an average everyday cast, but it seemed like the commentators were able to properly predict what was going to happen and explain why it was going to happen. I'm getting tired of analysis like "he will win this battle if he controls perfectly" and leaving it like that or at the beginning of the game saying "he could be opening like A, or maybe B or even C, we'll just have to wait and see." It felt to me like the Korean commentators were treating the viewers like adults and not dumbing it down. Either that or they have a seemingly better understanding of the game compared to English commentators. Just felt good watching that cast. ^_^ | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On March 28 2012 08:30 Shinespark wrote: Tasteless likes to keep it simple and explain in terms even a first time watcher can understand what is going on. For example he likes to say "For you folks at home that may not know what's going on, essentially the Zerg is doing...". On the other hand the Korean casters aren't so user friendly. If this was your first time watching, and he comentator said that the zerg needs to trade his roaches for sentries right now or he'll lose I guarantee you you wouldn't understand anything. And just how many first time watchers do you think there are for any given cast? That's an audience so incredibly, incredibly small that it blows my mind that anyone would bother to cater to them. It's not like someone will immediately lose interest and turn off the stream if there is something they don't understand, hell it's impossible to explain everything. The Korean casters did a very good job of relaying the general flow of the game in a very accessible fashion and they made it exciting. I actually think this style of casting can do a far better job of engaging new viewers than anything I have seen so far in English. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
 Also one thing that irritates the crap out of me is when casters prematurely kill the hype of the game by saying "oh its over, expect gg" or anything along these lines. DO NOT DO THIS. You do not have to scream and yell GG!!!!!! but atleast save the hype till the very last moment, even if it is obvious. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On March 28 2012 09:05 biology]major wrote: amazing stuff, now those are casting professionals. Insight + excitement all in one. I find myself muting foreign casters more and more often these days, just because the information relayed is so trivial. I hope they learn and better themselves Also one thing that irritates the crap out of me is when casters prematurely kill the hype of the game by saying "oh its over, expect gg" or anything along these lines. DO NOT DO THIS. You do not have to scream and yell GG!!!!!! but atleast save the hype till the very last moment, even if it is obvious. This should be rule #1 for casters. They kill all the hype by preemtivly stating,"Oh looks like we'll soon have the gg" -_- | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On March 28 2012 09:47 HolyArrow wrote: Awesome, just watched the VoD, very enjoyable. Would love to see more of these done. Even cooler would be an initiative by Gom to subtitle all their vods, though that would be a ton of work, I'd pay more as well. Dude, I would do the same. I'm sure it's far from practical or feasible for them to sub every cast, but man would it be awesome.This one game was far superior to what we get from any English cast. Thanks to OP for posting this! | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On March 28 2012 09:47 HolyArrow wrote: Awesome, just watched the VoD, very enjoyable. Would love to see more of these done. Even cooler would be an initiative by Gom to subtitle all their vods, though that would be a ton of work, I'd pay more as well. I actually asked them if they could let me do it (for some money, since I need money anyways but I do like esports so I'd do it for less than I'd do for other places) but they felt that artosis+tasteless were enough and said no essentially (then again this was like Open 2 or 3) :| | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On March 28 2012 08:30 Shinespark wrote: Tasteless likes to keep it simple and explain in terms even a first time watcher can understand what is going on. For example he likes to say "For you folks at home that may not know what's going on, essentially the Zerg is doing...". On the other hand the Korean casters aren't so user friendly. If this was your first time watching, and he comentator said that the zerg needs to trade his roaches for sentries right now or he'll lose I guarantee you you wouldn't understand anything. Would you focus on your 10% new crowd or your 90% crowd that knows wtf is going on. | ||
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ScaringKids
Portugal819 Posts
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Stringy
United States127 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On March 28 2012 10:32 Assirra wrote: Would you focus on your 10% new crowd or your 90% crowd that knows wtf is going on. That's just Tasteless. Artosis does the in-depth analysis. Together they cover the entire spectrum of viewer knowledge from zero to Artosis, that's a pretty large spectrum. | ||
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uminori
Mexico6 Posts
On March 26 2012 20:34 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Woah thanks a lot, that's one fantastic casting these Korean commentators have going on! A constant flow of interesting information and so much enthusiasm behind it, just great. And they're damn funny on top of that :D Meanwhile I'm watching less and less of the GSL, mostly due to the casters. And by that I mean Code A and Code S. I'm pretty certain Wolf and Artosis, who both have genuine interest in the game, would make a great casting duo, but the way it currently is, I just don't know. The first couple seasons I actually loved Tastosis to hell and back, especially because they were (and somewhat still are of course) so funny. However, when I see how the Korean casters do their job I kinda feel justified that I just cannot take any more "by the way. go on Twitter and tweat about the GSL also, add me, I'm callmeTasteless, and Artosis on Twitter too!" "so... uhm... hmm, nothing really to talk about, Artosis, ask me a question!" "I don't really know what to say, the game is just pretty much over" Tasteless is a great guy that still has a lot funny things to say and makes me laugh every now and then, but apart from that he is just lacking in so damn much. Same goes for a hell lot of other casters. Often the biggest problem is the lack of knowledge of the game, without that, there aren't even ways to say something interesting for these guys. I mean in this translated cast the commentators shell out an insane amount of detailed analysis. If you take away these parts, due to lack of knowledge, then what's left really? Casters really have to step it up. I'd even want to say that playing the game at a decently high level like at least masters should almost be a requirement. Sure someone like TB does a good job without the highest knowledge but even he would of course benefit from that, as far as is Sc2 casting skills go. Homestory Cup is basically the only event where I don't have the streams muted a lot of the time, just because actual game knowledge does provide so much, that even though a lot pro gamers aren't quite the most articulate casters it's just damn interesting. And I hope that rather sooner than later we get the calibers of a Grubby casting games professionally. I mean I don't want to have progamers end their career but it seems like that's the way we get the really great casters in the future because a lot current casters just don't feel like playing a game at a high level is their "duty". Amidst the almost immune status that Tastosis enjoys I have had this opinion for a long time. It really surprises me how people are satisfied with Tasteless. I agree that seems to be a great person but his lack of knowledge of the game is seriously hurting the quality of the duo's casting. It feels like most of his in-game knowledge stems from his Brood War times. His predictions and analysis are really lackluster. Artosis is great and would probably develop more casting with someone who has the same passion for the game as he does. | ||
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r4pture
United States397 Posts
English casters are just NOT exciting. TotalBiscuit IMO makes up for his lack of knowledge by bringing in hype to what he cast, and when paired with a knowledgeable (IE dApollo) he makes for part of a perfect cast for me. More casters really need to ramp up the hype! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:18 SeaSwift wrote: I think if you put Artosis and Apollo together, with maybe Day[9], you would get perhaps similarly great commentating, assuming they were trying to make the commentary like these guys do, rather than trying deliberately to put in the dumb humour and so on. Artosis is a truly good caster when paired with a more serious individual. Artosis/Chill is one of the better casting combo's I've seen and I think Artosis/Apollo would be amazing. Apollo really is a great caster imho. Understands the game well and gets excited at the right moments without going completely nuts. | ||
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