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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please. | ||
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finale23
United States88 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
On March 26 2012 20:14 Lysenko wrote: I asked this in my previous post, but if that were really the outcome, why would OGN and KESPA involve Blizzard in discussing where to go with their future broadcasts? Because SC2 has no LAN? edit: didn't notice it was already mentioned. On March 27 2012 00:10 finale23 wrote: It's official, BW will be eliminated by the end of the year. Jaedong and Flash will compete in SC2 GSL by year end. I'm so excited!!!! It's the best thing ever happened to esport since BW was created. You mean the worst thing, right? | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:29 maybenexttime wrote: Because SC2 has no LAN? edit: didn't notice it was already mentioned. You mean the worst thing, right? He means his opinion. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
That's pretty short sighted. Killing the Korean BW scene just so that SC2 can struggle a little while longer and still collapse. ;; | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:10 finale23 wrote: It's official, BW will be eliminated by the end of the year. Jaedong and Flash will compete in SC2 GSL by year end. I'm so excited!!!! It's the best thing ever happened to esport since BW was created. Jesus christ | ||
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Biggun69
187 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:50 maybenexttime wrote: That's pretty short sighted. Killing the Korean BW scene just so that SC2 can struggle a little while longer and still collapse. ;; Proof please? | ||
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kalteras
United States72 Posts
P.S. I'm not gay for starcraft or anything like that. STOP LOOKING AT ME! | ||
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finale23
United States88 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:10 finale23 wrote: It's official, BW will be eliminated by the end of the year. Jaedong and Flash will compete in SC2 GSL by year end. I'm so excited!!!! It's the best thing ever happened to esport since BW was created. You mean the worst thing, right?[/QUOTE] "It's dead, Jim. Let it go." BW has been one of the most entertaining, well balanced games in history, but it didn't start out that way. Blizzard diligently patched and balanced it over the year and made it into the perfect game you and i have become accustomed to. Also the level of competition in BW today is lightyears ahead of what it was when proleague first started. the revered boxer back in his heyday would have got nothing on jaedong and flash. my point is that BW has evolved over the years and so have the players and the level of competition. in order for SC2 to follow suit and grow into as polished of a game as BW, BW would have to go. some people compared BW to baseball, but you're probably too young to remember that even baseball had some significant rule changes that divided baseball history into different eras. plus, they aren't really the same thing, the graphic in baseball can't really get any better and there are no new units. SC2 is still a work in process with at least 2 expansions, and blizzard is pretty attentive to what fans want (barring the LAN issue). you should really give blizzard and sc2 a chance. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
So the fact that barely anyone in Korea is interested in it, the teams and players are constantly being bought out by foreign organisations, no serious sponsor wanting to sponsor SC2 teams (sorry, but Intel providing some CPU's or whatever is different from the likes of Samsung, CJ or STX forking millions of dollars), with LoL already overtaking it and Blizzard basically butchering everything they could possibly have butchered is not enough? Do you have any reason to believe Blizzard when they're saying they're going to address some issues in HotS? They lied on so many occasions already... SC2 is doing worse than BW in Korea and SC2 fans are constantly telling us BW is dying. At least be consistent, people. If it wasn't for Blizzard and sAviOr on top of other corrupted progamers dealing some serious blows to the scene, BW would've looked even better in comparison. | ||
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Azure Sky
United States52 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:10 finale23 wrote: It's official, BW will be eliminated by the end of the year.  Jaedong and  Flash will compete in SC2 GSL by year end. I'm so excited!!!! It's the best thing ever happened to esport since BW was created. The problem I have with an attitude like this is that it doesn't take into account the futures of all the current Brood War progamers. When I say that, I'm not worried about Flash, Jaedong,  Bisu, and other similar players who have been making a fairly high salary these past few years along with tournament prize money. They're going to be fine no matter what happens. I'm worried about the middling A-team players like PerfectMan who spent five months doing manual labour because his team disbanded and he had no other skills, education, nor padded bank account to fall back on. The vast majority of Korean progamers drop out of high school in order to commit themselves to Brood War and because of that they lack the ability to easily find some other career. It just seems so wrong to me to say "Starcraft 1 dying is a good thing" because that means that a lot of young people are going to lose their jobs. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
And why should BW go so that SC2 can prevail? Isn't SC2 good enough to compete with BW in Korea so Blizzard has to kill the BW scene? Nothing of this sounds good man... we have rightnow the perfect game, and people want to replace it with a mere promisse... Instead of that, why not aim to replace BW only after SC2 is complete? Like 6 years from today. Until then, Blizzard should not have crapped all over BW... BW fans have given, are giving and will give a chance to SC2, but not at the expense of the BW scene.. | ||
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discomatt
113 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:02 Azure Sky wrote: The problem I have with an attitude like this is that it doesn't take into account the futures of all the current Brood War progamers. When I say that, I'm not worried about Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and other similar players who have been making a fairly high salary these past few years along with tournament prize money. They're going to be fine no matter what happens. I'm worried about the middling A-team players like PerfectMan who spent five months doing manual labour because his team disbanded and he had no other skills, education, nor padded bank account to fall back on. The vast majority of Korean progamers drop out of high school in order to commit themselves to Brood War and because of that they lack the ability to easily find some other career. It just seems so wrong to me to say "Starcraft 1 dying is a good thing" because that means that a lot of young people are going to lose their jobs.It's a risk they should have known existed, and a risk that exists even if the game doesn't lose popularity. I used to play fairly serious hockey. 3-5 hours a day were spent training on or off the ice, from ages 14 to 19. I never made it out of amateur hockey, but had a shit ton of fun and played at one of the higher amateur levels you can play in Canada. I didn't let my studies slack though, because I knew the risk and the chances of making a liveable career out of the game. To all the SC:BW fans completely butt-hurt over this - If people want to play SC:BW on a competitive level, they still can and probably will. Money and organizers moving away from the game isn't it's death. How about you guys start shelling out some money towards prize pools to encourage these players to stay? If SC:BW is still alive and well in Korea, and we're dumb for thinking otherwise, you should have no problem getting some investors and sponsors ready to kick start your new league. Your whining isn't going to change anything. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:56 finale23 wrote: "It's dead, Jim. Let it go." BW has been one of the most entertaining, well balanced games in history, but it didn't start out that way. Blizzard diligently patched and balanced it over the year and made it into the perfect game you and i have become accustomed to. Also the level of competition in BW today is lightyears ahead of what it was when proleague first started. the revered boxer back in his heyday would have got nothing on jaedong and flash. my point is that BW has evolved over the years and so have the players and the level of competition. in order for SC2 to follow suit and grow into as polished of a game as BW, BW would have to go. some people compared BW to baseball, but you're probably too young to remember that even baseball had some significant rule changes that divided baseball history into different eras. plus, they aren't really the same thing, the graphic in baseball can't really get any better and there are no new units. SC2 is still a work in process with at least 2 expansions, and blizzard is pretty attentive to what fans want (barring the LAN issue). you should really give blizzard and sc2 a chance. BW's balance was a total fluke. Releasing a bunch of patches is not really dilligent patching. Sure, they had good support compared to their competition, but that's just because their competition was so appalling. It was a fluke, because Blizzard has proven it times and times again with their stupid design/balance decisions in WC3 and SC2, BNet "2.0" design and countless interviews showing their ignorance. You have to be joking when you say Blizzard is attentive to their fans. Where are proper chats and chat functions? Online replays? Proper custom games? Cross-server play? Clan features? (Not to mention a bunch of other features that would actually make BNet 2.0 an improved version of the service, that games like AoE3, HoN or DotA 2 have) Where is micro? Proper macro mechanics? What are units like Marauders, Colossi, etc. still doing in the game? Where's defender's advantage? Positional units? Blizzard is attentive? Only to their investors... | ||
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Omegalisk
United States337 Posts
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tetsuo9
Chile62 Posts
Can anyone honestly say that it would not be exciting to see Flash vs Jaedong on some MLG/IPL/IEM finals? | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:07 fabiano wrote: jeez... SC2 is still a work in progress and you want to replace BW with that? And why should BW go so that SC2 can prevail? Isn't SC2 good enough to compete with BW in Korea so Blizzard has to kill the BW scene? Nothing of this sounds good man... we have rightnow the perfect game, and people want to replace it with a mere promisse... Instead of that, why not aim to replace BW only after SC2 is complete? Like 6 years from today. Until then, Blizzard should not have crapped all over BW... BW fans have given, are giving and will give a chance to SC2, but not at the expense of the BW scene.. I really wish I found out about esports, BW and those things before I did last year... | ||
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SpaceYeti
United States723 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:20 Omegalisk wrote: It would be really interesting if they xferred over in time for HotS while the SC2 metagame is in flux. I'm excited regardless what happens!I am honestly really excited for this. If Starcraft masters from BW transfer to SC2, we could see a really different game as they find all different exploits and change the metagame drastically. It seems like it will really help the SC2 scene! | ||
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discomatt
113 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:15 maybenexttime wrote: BW's balance was a total fluke. Releasing a bunch of patches is not really dilligent patching. Sure, they had good support compared to their competition, but that's just because their competition was so appalling. It was a fluke, because Blizzard has proven it times and times again with their stupid design/balance decisions in WC3 and SC2, BNet "2.0" design and countless interviews showing their ignorance. You have to be joking when you say Blizzard is attentive to their fans. Where are proper chats and chat functions? Online replays? Proper custom games? Cross-server play? Clan features? (Not to mention a bunch of other features that would actually make BNet 2.0 an improved version of the service, that games like AoE3, HoN or DotA 2 have) Where is micro? Proper macro mechanics? What are units like Marauders, Colossi, etc. still doing in the game? Where's defender's advantage? Positional units? Blizzard is attentive? Only to their investors... Go do it better. Better yet, find a company that's doing more for it's community. Even Valve has had it's own share of big mistakes and moments where finances came before overly-demanding community. Yeah, SC2 might not have the UI you, or many others like. Again, do it better. Considering how well Blizzard is doing, you should make a killing. BTW - MLG, DRG attacked a toss (can't remember who) with 200/200 on 3 bases before the 13 minute mark. Toss had pure gateway on 2 bases, at ~100/200. The Toss held, countered, and won. I'd say that's a fine example of defenders advantage. There are advanced strategies and very crisp and accurate timings, the game is probably a little to fast for you to notice them. | ||
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Azure Sky
United States52 Posts
On March 27 2012 02:15 discomatt wrote: It's a risk they should have known existed, and a risk that exists even if the game doesn't lose popularity. I used to play fairly serious hockey. 3-5 hours a day were spent training on or off the ice, from ages 14 to 19. I never made it out of amateur hockey, but had a shit ton of fun and played at one of the higher amateur levels you can play in Canada. I didn't let my studies slack though, because I knew the risk and the chances of making a liveable career out of the game. There's a huge difference between somebody who plays at an amateur level for fun and somebody who is on a professional team, under contract, earning a salary, and playing in televised matches. These are players who are making a livable career out of the game and are faced with that potentially vanishing. I guess that doesn't bother you any but I think it's sad to see. | ||
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