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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5763 Posts
March 24 2012 23:38 GMT
#421
On March 25 2012 08:30 InoyouS2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:18 maybenexttime wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:15 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:01 StarStruck wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:58 Mordanis wrote:
I never even watched a BW PL except for a couple of nights in the last year, and I've only ever really played SC2, but it still makes me very sad to see BW diminishing. I hope they somehow keep strong the tradition. The old PLs are just so eSports, so much fun to watch. :C



You should have seen last night man. Better yet check it out tonight. The Koreans know how to get loud for BW.

On March 25 2012 07:57 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:51 Gheed wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:37 Fishriot wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


User was warned... What? I guess even mods aren't immune to getting butt hurt over an innocent comment.


Imagine if I went to an old folk's home and casually commented, "Gah, why don't you people just die already? You know it's going to happen, get on with it."

I wonder how they might receive that.


More like going to an out dated computer lab and going "Gah, windows 95, why dont you just upgrade to windows 7?"

I believe this would be received well. Extreme analogies dont help anyone.


Your analogy isn't any better because the game isn't broken. In fact, lots of people enjoy looking at it and the game runs super fast. We have a ton of tools we can use for it too.


Windows 95 isnt broken, chips challenge was and still is an awsome game.


And SC2 is not an improved version of BW.


Graphically it is an improved version, and the visuals are most of what matters in a predominately spectator sport.

But these stupid analogies aside; Kespa would only be making this decision if they saw a decline in viewing figures for BW that made it a lot less of a risk to attempt switching over and uprooting a massive community and a large player base. Clearly the viewer figures have reached a point where it is no longer monetarily an option for them to keep going with this sinking ship, so-to-say. After all they are a big business, and money is everything to them.


If visuals were what matters the most, BW would've been replaced by another game several times already. If graphics matter so much, why won't SC2 leagues switch to CoH or, better yet, DoW2?
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1707 Posts
March 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#422
On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:21 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:36 avilo wrote:
One side of me is saying, "good, people need to move on from brood war it's an old game.


Baseball is over 100 years old, is one side of you saying " people need to move on from baseball it's an old game" ?

So what's your point ?


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

What the fuck do you mean "let's be honest here", as if we're all thinking it and know it, and you're this omniscient wise oracle, sent from the future to guide us stone-age beings into your enlightened sphere. Guess what? Your opinion, your attitude, your opinions and your absolutely horrible, condescending and self-satisfied tone, not to mention your total failure to grasp WHY we love the game and its scene- all these things, mean precisely fuck all. Nobody wants to know what you think, or why you think it. You're wrong about us, and how dare you turn up, and start telling us that we're wrong for our opinions, and our fundamental ways of viewing something. You egotistical, self-satisfied, brain washed, short-sighted individual. You know us and our way of thinking better than we do, do you??? Stick it.
EleGant[AoV]
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
March 24 2012 23:42 GMT
#423
On March 25 2012 08:18 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:15 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:01 StarStruck wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:58 Mordanis wrote:
I never even watched a BW PL except for a couple of nights in the last year, and I've only ever really played SC2, but it still makes me very sad to see BW diminishing. I hope they somehow keep strong the tradition. The old PLs are just so eSports, so much fun to watch. :C



You should have seen last night man. Better yet check it out tonight. The Koreans know how to get loud for BW.

On March 25 2012 07:57 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:51 Gheed wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:37 Fishriot wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


User was warned... What? I guess even mods aren't immune to getting butt hurt over an innocent comment.


Imagine if I went to an old folk's home and casually commented, "Gah, why don't you people just die already? You know it's going to happen, get on with it."

I wonder how they might receive that.


More like going to an out dated computer lab and going "Gah, windows 95, why dont you just upgrade to windows 7?"

I believe this would be received well. Extreme analogies dont help anyone.


Your analogy isn't any better because the game isn't broken. In fact, lots of people enjoy looking at it and the game runs super fast. We have a ton of tools we can use for it too.


Windows 95 isnt broken, chips challenge was and still is an awsome game.


And SC2 is not an improved version of BW.


In your opinion of course.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
March 24 2012 23:42 GMT
#424
On March 25 2012 04:01 Anyx wrote:
When i read most comments in this thread, i am starting thinking that it would be a good idea to see combined BW/SC2 proleague. If both games will stay one next to other directly, then SC2 fanboys will see how incomplete SC2 is compared to BW ......


Not only will we not know anything about the strategy, mechanical requirements or anything like that, the casters will most likely be speaking in Korean, preventing effective learning from just listening to the casters. Many of us will have to actively research to figure out what the hell is going on and why these guys are screaming so much.
Why would we do that when we could just switch to a different stream when BW comes on, or, better yet, just go watch one of the mainstream SC2 tourneys?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5763 Posts
March 24 2012 23:50 GMT
#425
On March 25 2012 08:42 -TesteR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:18 maybenexttime wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:15 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:01 StarStruck wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:58 Mordanis wrote:
I never even watched a BW PL except for a couple of nights in the last year, and I've only ever really played SC2, but it still makes me very sad to see BW diminishing. I hope they somehow keep strong the tradition. The old PLs are just so eSports, so much fun to watch. :C



You should have seen last night man. Better yet check it out tonight. The Koreans know how to get loud for BW.

On March 25 2012 07:57 -TesteR- wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:51 Gheed wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:37 Fishriot wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


User was warned... What? I guess even mods aren't immune to getting butt hurt over an innocent comment.


Imagine if I went to an old folk's home and casually commented, "Gah, why don't you people just die already? You know it's going to happen, get on with it."

I wonder how they might receive that.


More like going to an out dated computer lab and going "Gah, windows 95, why dont you just upgrade to windows 7?"

I believe this would be received well. Extreme analogies dont help anyone.


Your analogy isn't any better because the game isn't broken. In fact, lots of people enjoy looking at it and the game runs super fast. We have a ton of tools we can use for it too.


Windows 95 isnt broken, chips challenge was and still is an awsome game.


And SC2 is not an improved version of BW.


In your opinion of course.


I've yet to see a single BW fan that considers SC2 an improved version of StarCraft. It's always "it's a different game", "give it time" or "it has potential"... The only people who consider it an improvement are those who have gotten into SC2 with no prior BW experience (aside from maybe some casual play 10-15 years ago). Their opinion has no merit because how can they judge whether SC2 is an improvement without having any serious BW experience?
Trufflez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia174 Posts
March 24 2012 23:51 GMT
#426
An unnamed Korean industry insider said "There is a strong possibility that the next season of Proleague will have both SCBW and SC2, and the next one after that will have only SC2".


That would truly break my heart. I would be sadder than I've been in a very long time.
The winnings in life go to the people who show up.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
March 24 2012 23:51 GMT
#427
On March 25 2012 08:41 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:21 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:36 avilo wrote:
One side of me is saying, "good, people need to move on from brood war it's an old game.


Baseball is over 100 years old, is one side of you saying " people need to move on from baseball it's an old game" ?

So what's your point ?


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

What the fuck do you mean "let's be honest here", as if we're all thinking it and know it, and you're this omniscient wise oracle, sent from the future to guide us stone-age beings into your enlightened sphere. Guess what? Your opinion, your attitude, your opinions and your absolutely horrible, condescending and self-satisfied tone, not to mention your total failure to grasp WHY we love the game and its scene- all these things, mean precisely fuck all. Nobody wants to know what you think, or why you think it. You're wrong about us, and how dare you turn up, and start telling us that we're wrong for our opinions, and our fundamental ways of viewing something. You egotistical, self-satisfied, brain washed, short-sighted individual. You know us and our way of thinking better than we do, do you??? Stick it.


You seem to think I am bashing BW. I am not bashing BW. In fact, the difficulty of the things like AI and control group limits have lead to things like the micro intensive battles that have made BW popular. One would argue that those things are perhaps the biggest factor that separates BW from SC2 and makes SC2 a fundamentally different and undeniably easier game.
I am not bashing BW. I am saying that BW is a noob-unfriendly game, the same as nearly every prequel compared to nearly every sequel. I suppose that saying BW is a noob-unfriendly game would have been an adequate TLDR to my post, as the innate tendency for video games to become noob-unfriendly is what I was using as my reason to denounce the effectiveness of the analogy used by the poster that I was responding to.
Physical sports stay largely the same, barring things like new equipment, and become arguably better because of the advances in technology, while video games become noob-unfriendly and and thus lose their fanbases over time due to the same advances in technology. That was my point.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1707 Posts
March 24 2012 23:54 GMT
#428
On March 25 2012 08:51 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:41 ImbaTosS wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:21 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:36 avilo wrote:
One side of me is saying, "good, people need to move on from brood war it's an old game.


Baseball is over 100 years old, is one side of you saying " people need to move on from baseball it's an old game" ?

So what's your point ?


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

What the fuck do you mean "let's be honest here", as if we're all thinking it and know it, and you're this omniscient wise oracle, sent from the future to guide us stone-age beings into your enlightened sphere. Guess what? Your opinion, your attitude, your opinions and your absolutely horrible, condescending and self-satisfied tone, not to mention your total failure to grasp WHY we love the game and its scene- all these things, mean precisely fuck all. Nobody wants to know what you think, or why you think it. You're wrong about us, and how dare you turn up, and start telling us that we're wrong for our opinions, and our fundamental ways of viewing something. You egotistical, self-satisfied, brain washed, short-sighted individual. You know us and our way of thinking better than we do, do you??? Stick it.


You seem to think I am bashing BW. I am not bashing BW. In fact, the difficulty of the things like AI and control group limits have lead to things like the micro intensive battles that have made BW popular. One would argue that those things are perhaps the biggest factor that separates BW from SC2 and makes SC2 a fundamentally different and undeniably easier game.
I am not bashing BW. I am saying that BW is a noob-unfriendly game, the same as nearly every prequel compared to nearly every sequel. I suppose that saying BW is a noob-unfriendly game would have been an adequate TLDR to my post, as the innate tendency for video games to become noob-unfriendly is what I was using as my reason to denounce the effectiveness of the analogy used by the poster that I was responding to.
Physical sports stay largely the same, barring things like new equipment, and become arguably better because of the advances in technology, while video games become noob-unfriendly and and thus lose their fanbases over time due to the same advances in technology. That was my point.

I apologise if I misunderstood. Crucially though, not if I didn't. Having said that, I'm tired and very, very upset that we might be about to lose something which, for many, can never be replaced and will be lost forever. Not in the most stable of moods. I'll go to bed.
EleGant[AoV]
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
March 24 2012 23:54 GMT
#429
On March 25 2012 08:41 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:21 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:36 avilo wrote:
One side of me is saying, "good, people need to move on from brood war it's an old game.


Baseball is over 100 years old, is one side of you saying " people need to move on from baseball it's an old game" ?

So what's your point ?


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

What the fuck do you mean "let's be honest here", as if we're all thinking it and know it, and you're this omniscient wise oracle, sent from the future to guide us stone-age beings into your enlightened sphere. Guess what? Your opinion, your attitude, your opinions and your absolutely horrible, condescending and self-satisfied tone, not to mention your total failure to grasp WHY we love the game and its scene- all these things, mean precisely fuck all. Nobody wants to know what you think, or why you think it. You're wrong about us, and how dare you turn up, and start telling us that we're wrong for our opinions, and our fundamental ways of viewing something. You egotistical, self-satisfied, brain washed, short-sighted individual. You know us and our way of thinking better than we do, do you??? Stick it.

you show how passionate you are about the game, but you do realise that by reacting in this way you're basically agreeing with him... sorry man, i used to love watching brood war too, but what he said about the player base slowly dying is going to be true.
BeeNu
Profile Joined June 2011
615 Posts
March 24 2012 23:55 GMT
#430
On March 25 2012 08:41 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:21 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:36 avilo wrote:
One side of me is saying, "good, people need to move on from brood war it's an old game.


Baseball is over 100 years old, is one side of you saying " people need to move on from baseball it's an old game" ?

So what's your point ?


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

What the fuck do you mean "let's be honest here", as if we're all thinking it and know it, and you're this omniscient wise oracle, sent from the future to guide us stone-age beings into your enlightened sphere. Guess what? Your opinion, your attitude, your opinions and your absolutely horrible, condescending and self-satisfied tone, not to mention your total failure to grasp WHY we love the game and its scene- all these things, mean precisely fuck all. Nobody wants to know what you think, or why you think it. You're wrong about us, and how dare you turn up, and start telling us that we're wrong for our opinions, and our fundamental ways of viewing something. You egotistical, self-satisfied, brain washed, short-sighted individual. You know us and our way of thinking better than we do, do you??? Stick it.


rooooofl, hey bro you sound pretty mad.

Anyways, the guy you quoted is 100% correct, BW is fated to die out in time simply because at this point it won't really be gaining new blood, newer RTS gamers are much, much more likely to gravitate towards SC2, that's just the way things are. Sure there's many of us who love BW and consider it a superior game in many regards but nostalgia alone can't keep the game alive.

Even if you compare Starcraft to physical sports there isn't really much difference. Physical sports have been around for a really long time and all of them have undergone changes in the way the games are played and the rules to follow. Heck, I'd be willing to bet that when these types of sports were changed players would argued that the era that preceded it was more difficult and more authentic as well.

This is nothing new, BW is doomed to die, let it die gracefully like the sweet prince that it is.

User was temp banned for this post.
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
March 24 2012 23:56 GMT
#431
KesPa is one of the only ways SC2 can be taken to the next level in Korea. Blizzard knows that they need Kespa in order to increase the market.
KesPa/HOTS partners!
Wishing you well.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
March 24 2012 23:57 GMT
#432
On March 25 2012 08:55 BeeNu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:41 ImbaTosS wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:21 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:36 avilo wrote:
One side of me is saying, "good, people need to move on from brood war it's an old game.


Baseball is over 100 years old, is one side of you saying " people need to move on from baseball it's an old game" ?

So what's your point ?


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

What the fuck do you mean "let's be honest here", as if we're all thinking it and know it, and you're this omniscient wise oracle, sent from the future to guide us stone-age beings into your enlightened sphere. Guess what? Your opinion, your attitude, your opinions and your absolutely horrible, condescending and self-satisfied tone, not to mention your total failure to grasp WHY we love the game and its scene- all these things, mean precisely fuck all. Nobody wants to know what you think, or why you think it. You're wrong about us, and how dare you turn up, and start telling us that we're wrong for our opinions, and our fundamental ways of viewing something. You egotistical, self-satisfied, brain washed, short-sighted individual. You know us and our way of thinking better than we do, do you??? Stick it.


rooooofl, hey bro you sound pretty mad.

Anyways, the guy you quoted is 100% correct, BW is fated to die out in time simply because at this point it won't really be gaining new blood, newer RTS gamers are much, much more likely to gravitate towards SC2, that's just the way things are. Sure there's many of us who love BW and consider it a superior game in many regards but nostalgia alone can't keep the game alive.

Even if you compare Starcraft to physical sports there isn't really much difference. Physical sports have been around for a really long time and all of them have undergone changes in the way the games are played and the rules to follow. Heck, I'd be willing to bet that when these types of sports were changed players would argued that the era that preceded it was more difficult and more authentic as well.

This is nothing new, BW is doomed to die, let it die gracefully like the sweet prince that it is.


Do you seriously think nostalgia is what "keeps BW alive" ?
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Blennd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
March 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#433
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


Truly pathetic mod that warned this post.

User was temp banned for this post.
BeeNu
Profile Joined June 2011
615 Posts
March 25 2012 00:01 GMT
#434
On March 25 2012 08:57 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 08:55 BeeNu wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:41 ImbaTosS wrote:
On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:21 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:36 avilo wrote:
One side of me is saying, "good, people need to move on from brood war it's an old game.


Baseball is over 100 years old, is one side of you saying " people need to move on from baseball it's an old game" ?

So what's your point ?


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

What the fuck do you mean "let's be honest here", as if we're all thinking it and know it, and you're this omniscient wise oracle, sent from the future to guide us stone-age beings into your enlightened sphere. Guess what? Your opinion, your attitude, your opinions and your absolutely horrible, condescending and self-satisfied tone, not to mention your total failure to grasp WHY we love the game and its scene- all these things, mean precisely fuck all. Nobody wants to know what you think, or why you think it. You're wrong about us, and how dare you turn up, and start telling us that we're wrong for our opinions, and our fundamental ways of viewing something. You egotistical, self-satisfied, brain washed, short-sighted individual. You know us and our way of thinking better than we do, do you??? Stick it.


rooooofl, hey bro you sound pretty mad.

Anyways, the guy you quoted is 100% correct, BW is fated to die out in time simply because at this point it won't really be gaining new blood, newer RTS gamers are much, much more likely to gravitate towards SC2, that's just the way things are. Sure there's many of us who love BW and consider it a superior game in many regards but nostalgia alone can't keep the game alive.

Even if you compare Starcraft to physical sports there isn't really much difference. Physical sports have been around for a really long time and all of them have undergone changes in the way the games are played and the rules to follow. Heck, I'd be willing to bet that when these types of sports were changed players would argued that the era that preceded it was more difficult and more authentic as well.

This is nothing new, BW is doomed to die, let it die gracefully like the sweet prince that it is.


Do you seriously think nostalgia is what "keeps BW alive" ?

Well, progamer contracts help too.
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 00:03:54
March 25 2012 00:03 GMT
#435
wow this is crazy news.... I really didn't think they would end BW so soon. I am happy for sc2 tho. ;o

edit: holy shittt 1k posts lol
Greed leads to just about all losses.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
March 25 2012 00:03 GMT
#436
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


I don't get why this guy has been warned just for saying what he said, and I do know that for many people here BW is like a religion. But still somehow I think that it sucks that he got warned for saying just this. My personal opinion.
BeeNu
Profile Joined June 2011
615 Posts
March 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#437
On March 25 2012 09:03 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


I don't get why this guy has been warned just for saying what he said, and I do know that for many people here BW is like a religion. But still somehow I think that it sucks that he got warned for saying just this. My personal opinion.


BW hipsters seem to be very angry gamers.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
March 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#438
Sad to see BW going but I guess it can't go on forever.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 00:10:31
March 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#439
On March 25 2012 07:14 basket wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post


Jesus.. and there is more of this... I can't believe how non-progressive some people here are. And I do love this community!

And to the guy who wrote below abou SC2 posters: I started playing and following the scene with SC:BW and I do respect it hell a lot.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
March 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#440
I was wondering why all these trash posters weren't getting banned or even warned; then I realized this was the SC2 forums. Well, now that this thread is in "Community News" perhaps some fairer judgment can be taken? All you SC2 players don't know what you are missing out on if BW dies. If you were able to look past the dated graphics you would see that this game is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. There is a reason why many people here are upset and it's not because of elitism or nostalgia. It's because we played and watched both games and think that BW is better.

If BW dies I'd rather watch LoL than SC2. Judging from this thread the LoL community is really not that worse than the SC2 community and I'd rather watch a different genre game than a bastardization of the greatest esport.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
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