Blizzard negotiating SC2 with KeSPA directly - Page 23

On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

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On March 25 2012 09:06 Jongl0 wrote:
Sad to see BW going but I guess it can't go on forever.

On March 25 2012 05:12 Xiphos wrote:


And that's not the same as SC2? Seriously, SC2 is dominated just as much by the Korean than in BW.

On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

On March 25 2012 08:12 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:


Comparing physical sports and the effects of aging to electronic sports and the effects of aging on them is, well, ineffective.
In physical sports, they only get better with age due to things like enhanced gear and viewing equipment due to technological advancements; however, electronic sports are constantly recycled because that very technological advancement means that games become obsolete.
Let's be honest here: BW looks like shit and has horrible, horrible AI and poor methods of controlling your units compared to modern standards. Furthermore, the playerbase has been steadily consolidated to the truly good players, meaning that anyone who does happen to see a shitty looking game and still wants to play it will soon be deterred from playing anyways due to being endlessly slaughtered. That means that the playerbase and fanbase will steadily atrophy away, causing a slow death for the video game. These factors have been the cause of death for many eSPORTS. There is no reason to believe the cycle will stop just because BW has an incredibly hardcore fanbase.
You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

On March 25 2012 09:09 Poebes wrote:

Lol why the fuck was he warned for this?!?! Seems like a good opinion imo.

On March 25 2012 07:57 StarStruck wrote:


That could happen to any title man. Doesn't matter. If they're having a hard time finding new sponsors then there's really nothing else they can do about it. If a game gets really big, they cannot ignore it either.

On March 25 2012 05:16 InoyouS2 wrote:


None of the SC2 fans want BW to fail, NONE of them, the only positives for SC2 that come from it are possibly a few of the top dogs moving to SC2. However the people who want that are already fans of those players.

There is a sad misconception that it seems a lot of the BW fans in this thread are holding onto; that SC2 fans are against BW.

On March 25 2012 09:12 Cokefreak wrote:

You are the kind of a poster we don't need in this thread. Go bash on SC2 in reddit or something.

On March 25 2012 09:07 writer22816 wrote:
I was wondering why all these trash posters weren't getting banned or even warned; then I realized this was the SC2 forums. Well, now that this thread is in "Community News" perhaps some fairer judgment can be taken? All you SC2 players don't know what you are missing out on if BW dies. If you were able to look past the dated graphics you would see that this game is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. There is a reason why many people here are upset and it's not because of elitism or nostalgia. It's because we played and watched both games and think that BW is better.

If BW dies I'd rather watch LoL than SC2. Judging from this thread the LoL community is really not that worse than the SC2 community and I'd rather watch a different genre game than a bastardization of the greatest esport.

On March 25 2012 09:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:


I'm just playing the 'inevitability' card here. And this isn't your thread nor your website so people don't have to follow you or your biases.

On March 25 2012 09:15 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:


Its probably just down to money. BW doesn't pull the same sponsorship dollars it used to so KeSPA has to diversify. I suspect they may not have to kill off BW though if SC2 joins Proleague.

As odd as this may sound to some, having Proleague bring in new SC2 viewers could see a boost in SCBW viewership if hardcore SC2 fans are able to appreciate SCBW level play quicker then an average fresh viewer. This could be a good thing for a globalization of BW interest and be kind of a shot in the arm if this is positioned right. The could definitely be cross over, unless KeSPA or the teams do want/have the resources to split up into two games and skill retain the level of skill and quality expected of them.

On March 25 2012 09:18 Zato-1 wrote:

That's not what I meant. What I did mean is, I'm not a fan of all the KeSPA BW shenanigans- disqualifying players for not typing the proper request for a pause, boycotting the GomTV Intel Classic BW tournaments, creating a huge legal drama with Blizzard over Starcraft broadcasting rights, that kind of thing.

Just like how you can like music but not be a fan of the RIAA, I was once a fan of BW but disliked KeSPA; now, I am no longer a fan of BW, but I'm still wary of KeSPA.

On March 25 2012 04:41 1Eris1 wrote:



Wow alright.

Let me break something down for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starleague_(Ongamenet)
This is a fucking T.V. station. Not a little stream that gets run over the computer, but a fucking T.V. station. It has prime time viewing and regularly brings in MILLIONS of viewers for the big event. I could give two shits how many a stream on TL brings up, IT HAS NOTHING ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. The fact that you would even try to use that as a basis of an arguement just shows uninformed and frankly deluded you are.

Oh, so now interviews are fake? Yeah of course they're not going to saythey plays for the money, but that doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth. Have you actually read their interviews, or looked at their words? Hint: It's not just, "I play SC BW because it's fun."
Here's a recent one with Stork. Throughout the interview he talks about how he grew up watching and playing the game, desperately wanting to be a progamer like the big names at the time. He talks about how his rivalry with the other great players is the drive the makes him try to be the best at BW, and son. Why don't you actually read it before you dismiss it as bullshit.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322739

And really? You're going to call me out on that? Do you know how many hours of SC2 I've watched? Do you know how many GSL tickets I've purchased, or how many streams I've watched for hours on end? Do you know how many times I've stayed up all night just to see a match get played? No you don't, so don't fucking accuse me of stuff when you have no idea what you're talking about. I've been following SC2 from the Beta up until now and I've probably watched over 500 hours of SC2 altogether, if not much more. It's hard to keep count when you get to amounts that high spread over such a time. And you know what, of these 4900 posts or whatever, probably a good 3000 of them are SC2 related. SC2 is actually what brought me onto to TL. Before the game was the released I hadn't watched a proffesional BW series in over 5 years and hadn't played the game for even longer.
And come on SC2 has been out for two years now, and it has had the 10+ years of BW expierence to build off. If it's still in it's "infant" stages, then it shouldn't be considered an esport. Fact is Blizzard had plenty of chances to make it great, and they botched it.

If BW dies in a year, then alright. I'll say my goodbyes. I'm not deluding myself or anything, I know how it is. But that doesn't give you the right to just come in here and make up bullshit.