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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please. |
It's sad for the BW guys, but as someone with no interest in BW but great interest in SC2, it's fantastic news. I want to be able to watch the best players playing the game I care about, and I tend to think a lot of those are now playing BW.
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Brood war ending and transering to sc2 will be the best thing of all time. It will be the push E.sports needs. It will be fusion! It will be like highlander when they chop off the head and gain the powers. All the energy and hype and everything from broodwar, not only going over to sc2 but bringing everything with it. Omg. This will probally be the biggest thing to happen in sc2 and e.sports for years and years and years to come.
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On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though?
I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level.
A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game.
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If the top BW guys switch, I can imagine them coming to MLGs. That is exciting.
And SC2 Proleague sounds awesome!
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would be funny if Blizz let them do SC2 unless the scene was huge then remove KesPas rights to SC2 and watch them die
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On March 25 2012 10:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though? I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level. A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game.
Um, are you kidding me?
Drg, mma, MVP, mc, nestea, mkp, etc, basically any top player except polt played BW
Edit: just because they didn't win a starleague or something doesn't mean they didn't play it
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On March 25 2012 10:25 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though? I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level. A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game. Um, are you kidding me? Drg, mma, MVP, mc, nestea, mkp, etc, basically any top player except polt played BW
how many of those were actually legends in BW though?
i know NesTea wasnt, and i know MC wasnt so its probably jsut a coincidence that they played BW
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On March 25 2012 10:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:25 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though? I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level. A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game. Um, are you kidding me? Drg, mma, MVP, mc, nestea, mkp, etc, basically any top player except polt played BW how many of those were actually legends in BW though? i know NesTea wasnt, and i know MC wasnt so its probably jsut a coincidence that they played BW
Ok so to have played BW means you have to be a legend at it? Nice logic.
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On March 25 2012 10:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:25 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though? I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level. A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game. Um, are you kidding me? Drg, mma, MVP, mc, nestea, mkp, etc, basically any top player except polt played BW how many of those were actually legends in BW though? i know NesTea wasnt, and i know MC wasnt so its probably jsut a coincidence that they played BW
lmao, I love this logic. There are only ~5 people who have ever played bw following your reasoning.
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BW pros will probably make the switch in HOTS because of the huge changes everyone will reset back to zero on bo's and what not so it be best if BW pros wait for HOTS so they can get some sort of ground.
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On March 25 2012 10:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:25 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though? I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level. A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game. Um, are you kidding me? Drg, mma, MVP, mc, nestea, mkp, etc, basically any top player except polt played BW how many of those were actually legends in BW though? i know NesTea wasnt, and i know MC wasnt so its probably jsut a coincidence that they played BW
You're so misinformed it's silly. All of the "legends" are still playing BW. The old legends like Boxer were worse than MVP by the time they switched over.
Edit: wait, are you saying that if theyre not legends they didn't play BW? Wtf
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On March 25 2012 10:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though? I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level. A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game.
Almost every champion of GSL has a BW background.. You're almost completely wrong, most of the best Sc2 players did come from BW. Granted not all, some WC3 legends have done very well, and some players did come from nowhere.. but those are all mainly foreigners.. Almost every top Korean pro was at least a practice partner in BW.
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On March 25 2012 10:26 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:25 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:On March 25 2012 08:26 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On March 25 2012 03:43 masterbreti wrote:On March 25 2012 03:39 Glioburd wrote:On March 25 2012 02:53 DeadBull wrote:On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner. MKP is a coinflip guy? fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth No, SC2 is a coinflip game. I don't doubt about MKP practice time, just see the difference of level between him and the top on BW. Fu too btw. MKP doesn't practice as hard as people think, but he does practice a lot, just not as much as many players his level or even lower than him. A lot of it has to do with his style and how he practices. Also being a former BW pro is a big factor. One word: ForGG. The best being an ex-BW pro can do for you, at least from what we've seen thus far, is prove that you have the determination and talent to succeed at RTS gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. These days, when comparing success in the two games, it seems like BW just weeds out the talentless and lazy more than anything else. Doesn't seem to be a golden pass into roflstomping all the greatest SC2 pros. Err, all the best SC2 players atm have played BW though? I looked through the first 5-7 players who have held Code S that came to mind on Liquipedia, and of them, only Leenock played BW, and at that at an amateur level. A lot of our top players didn't come from BW. I know quite a bit that didn't come from anywhere, or came from different places, like WC3. Moon, Grubby and Naniwa, some of our very best, came from that game. Um, are you kidding me? Drg, mma, MVP, mc, nestea, mkp, etc, basically any top player except polt played BW how many of those were actually legends in BW though? i know NesTea wasnt, and i know MC wasnt so its probably jsut a coincidence that they played BW
not one player came over when they were on top of BW. Not one.
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Here is the perfect solution to save broodwar.
Step 1 is to use the sc2bw custom map to eliminate all the graphics and mechanics complaints from sc2 fans while keeping the same gameplay so bw fans have no reason to complain and will also enjoy the fresh new look.
Step 2 is for kespa to pay the popular sc2 casters to cast their sc2bw pro league. HDstarcraft casted a few games and got
200 000 thousand views
this one has 147 000
The few other bw games on his channel have less but its about the same as his sc2 vods and thats with the old graphics against new. I bet a day9 or tastosis casted sc2bw proleague will make everybody happy and get tonnes of views! Its a much better idea to unite the fanbase then to alternate sets between bw and sc2.
Also people still have to buy sc2 to play it so its not like blizzard should have a problem with it.
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People are going to go where the money is and it simply isn't in BW anymore. Blizzard basically holds BW in their palm now and don't seem the least bit concerned about killing it for their own interest.
It's sad to see BW go but it was going to happen eventually I don't think anyone honestly thought otherwise.
I do always find it amazing how people are for "the growth of esports", well, until League of Legends is mentioned...
Most people should actually be saying they are for the growth of the game they enjoy, if it isn't that game then they aren't.
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Why can't they have a SC2 ProLeague and a BW ProLeague? Isn't there a Special Force Proleague? Are BW pros switching to Special Force? Why must Blizzard just push SC2 down into BW fans throats?
That's so stressful
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lottopk, The user warned on page one had a completely legitimate comment... a BW biased mod punishing users for their opinions? YAY!
SCBW is a GREAT game, always will be... but, c'mon now. You don't consider a game released in '98 old?
This thread turned into a total flame fest. I hope the two coexist for a while longer... but if/when BW does fade out, I won't be crying... I'll be enjoying SC2.
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On March 25 2012 10:14 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:06 ZenithM wrote:On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post Are you kidding me, warned for this? I mean, it's not like BW is a young game. It's epicly good, yes, but technically old. Haha, mods are hardcore BW fans. People aren't allowed to say facts like "BW is old" or opinions regarding "inevitability" because it makes them sad =(
Here's the thing. Most opinions don't mean jack. Goes back to what TB said, if you have no knowledge about something then your opinion to be frank doesn't mean shit and in some cases you should keep things to yourself.
A lot of people are still missing the point. BW doesn't need to be put on lifesupport. They want to try and get more people tuning into SC2.
I say if you're going to switch do the fucking switch already. We don't need SC2 butchering the PL results for BW and vice versa. Have 1 league for 1 game.
If you want to introduce SC2 do showmatches before PL or just create a SC2 PL. It's really simple.
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On March 25 2012 10:37 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:14 bittman wrote:On March 25 2012 10:06 ZenithM wrote:On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post Are you kidding me, warned for this? I mean, it's not like BW is a young game. It's epicly good, yes, but technically old. Haha, mods are hardcore BW fans. People aren't allowed to say facts like "BW is old" or opinions regarding "inevitability" because it makes them sad =( Here's the thing. Most opinions don't mean jack. Goes back to what TB said, if you have no knowledge about something then your opinion to be frank doesn't mean shit and in some cases you should keep things to yourself.
How is "BW is old" an opinion, it's a fact :S Old doesn't mean a bad game but BW is an old game.
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On March 25 2012 10:39 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On March 25 2012 10:14 bittman wrote:On March 25 2012 10:06 ZenithM wrote:On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.
User was warned for this post Are you kidding me, warned for this? I mean, it's not like BW is a young game. It's epicly good, yes, but technically old. Haha, mods are hardcore BW fans. People aren't allowed to say facts like "BW is old" or opinions regarding "inevitability" because it makes them sad =( Here's the thing. Most opinions don't mean jack. Goes back to what TB said, if you have no knowledge about something then your opinion to be frank doesn't mean shit and in some cases you should keep things to yourself. How is "BW is old" an opinion, it's a fact :S Old doesn't mean a bad game but BW is an old game.
I wasn't just picking at that one guy. I'm talking about the whole base because there are a lot of misinformed opinions spinning around.
If you're going to be snude you better do more than just a one liner.
We don't need life support.
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