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Promising start indeed! 
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On March 13 2012 16:02 ArcLiTe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 15:45 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2012 15:11 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:01 windsupernova wrote:On March 13 2012 14:49 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 14:34 HuKPOWA wrote:On March 13 2012 14:24 Chicken Chaser wrote:
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Would you rather them not do this at all? Jesus. Haven't you noticed? some people will never be happy!!!!!! no matter what happenes with anything, people need something to complain about! To all those people yapping their mouths praising blizzard for doing this saying oh blizzard our master and savior we bow down to your greatness oh masterful savior we are not worthy oh please master your kindness is too much.-- Just disgusting. This should have been out on release day in the first place. Are we reading the same thread? Nobody is saying that kind of stuff. But there is no use in bitching about the past. Should they have released a better BNET at launch? Yeah, but unfortunately they didn't so any step forward is a win in my book.Do they still have a lot of work to do? Of course and I don't think anybody is saying that BNET is all that it could be atm. Its fine that you think the way you do but don't bash people for not sharing your exact mindset Oh Im bashing people now? Oh ok I see Im the bad guy right? Oh sorry people. All hail blizzard! yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. That is how unwanted things get changed; by showing discontent. So what reaction do you want out of people exactly? Improvements are being made and you want everyone to be mad? That doesn't make much sense now does it. Nobody is happy it took so long, people are happy it will be patched at all. A company should be fairly criticized for what they are. If people keep blindly kissing their asses when in point of fact they have failed, they wont change.
It's perfectly fine to be cynical regarding any promises Blizzard makes. Many of us are. That doesn't mean you should treat your fellow posters without respect, though. The vast majority in this thread is either skeptical, or happy that something's happening, but not too excited because of SC2's development history. Very few people are (blindly) praising Blizzard and behaving the way you make it seem; certainly not enough to warrant your tirade.
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On March 13 2012 16:21 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 16:08 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:00 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:55 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:45 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2012 15:11 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:01 windsupernova wrote:
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Are we reading the same thread?
Nobody is saying that kind of stuff. But there is no use in bitching about the past. Should they have released a better BNET at launch? Yeah, but unfortunately they didn't so any step forward is a win in my book.Do they still have a lot of work to do? Of course and I don't think anybody is saying that BNET is all that it could be atm.
Its fine that you think the way you do but don't bash people for not sharing your exact mindset Oh Im bashing people now? Oh ok I see Im the bad guy right? Oh sorry people. All hail blizzard! yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. That is how unwanted things get changed; by showing discontent. So what reaction do you want out of people exactly? Improvements are being made and you want everyone to be mad? That doesn't make much sense now does it. Nobody is happy it took so long, people are happy it will be patched at all. Do people have to react?Does an improvement that is long overdue and simplistic, warrant such a praise? If people must react, they can express their frustration about the slow progression over something simple. Do people have to react? What kind of silly question is that? How exactly can you NOT react in some way or form? Something should go through your head when you read this, that something is what you call a reaction. Again, people aren't praising it because its this late, people are just happy it happens at all. Oh no i meant react as in posting, not the actual definition. On March 13 2012 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2012 15:11 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:01 windsupernova wrote:On March 13 2012 14:49 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 14:34 HuKPOWA wrote:
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Haven't you noticed? some people will never be happy!!!!!! no matter what happenes with anything, people need something to complain about! To all those people yapping their mouths praising blizzard for doing this saying oh blizzard our master and savior we bow down to your greatness oh masterful savior we are not worthy oh please master your kindness is too much.-- Just disgusting. This should have been out on release day in the first place. Are we reading the same thread? Nobody is saying that kind of stuff. But there is no use in bitching about the past. Should they have released a better BNET at launch? Yeah, but unfortunately they didn't so any step forward is a win in my book.Do they still have a lot of work to do? Of course and I don't think anybody is saying that BNET is all that it could be atm. Its fine that you think the way you do but don't bash people for not sharing your exact mindset Oh Im bashing people now? Oh ok I see Im the bad guy right? Oh sorry people. All hail blizzard! yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. By showing discontent, it puts blizzard pressure to change their ways. And while im posting this i might as well post my disappointment that blizzard has not done what steam did with dota 2; incorporating LAN in a way that it doesn't hurt their sales. There's a difference with being happy with an improvement and being happy with the status quo. You're assuming that people are now just going "Hey! Now everything's fine." People aren't. People are happy that these much needed improvements are here, but - and this is key - we still want the other key improvements. No one here is saying "I'm completely satisfied." In short, the UI thread will be updated to not include the changes that Blizzard's offered, but it will still be there, and the movement will still be there. Also, people not being happy with the patch would "hurt esports" (god, do we really have to resort to this silliness of "X is hurting esports"???). If nobody was happy at all, Blizzard would see that, throw their arms up in the air and go "oh well, listening to them didn't accomplish anything, guess there's no point in doing these improvements, we might as well continue doing things just in terms of what we think gets $$$ instead of what we think these people are telling us. Of course, this is an extreme, but only running counterpoise to your extreme that you provided. But let's be real - no one here is adopting either extreme, and people, while happy with the improvement/the sign that Blizzard is listening, are not happy to the point of being satisfied. No i'm assuming people take abit of positivity out of this event but i worded the post wrong. People should be abit more aggressive on their stance. Critisizing the parts where they feel frustrated and nothing more, no compliments until these shenanigans get sorted out. All this gimmick by blizzard happened because the community let it happen ( by 'let it happen', i mean not being critical about it enough). By being aggressive as a community, it shows that we are not a pushover and want to be treated with certain level of standards. I agree that people should maintain their criticism, but I don't necessarily think these changes are due to the degree of aggressiveness. People have been feeling these sentiments since the launch of the game (perhaps even earlier, in the beta). If anything, emotion would fade over time by now, but at the very least, it doesn't make sense that people, out of any time, would be suddenly more angry now, and that this anger led to the UI thread/reddit/b.net posts. Instead, I think that the big change was due to the organization and unification of our frustration into a single and therefore far more potent movement. Those recent threads on b.net and the like. As long as we maintain the momentum behind those threads, I think we're on a good path.
Ok when i say frustration, i dont mean anger, but discontent. And when i say discontent, i mean a feeling of injustice. And a feeling of injustice does not fade away over time.
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from my perspective lets see...
Sometimes it just seems like the complaints of mushrooms who want to be spoonfed and not figure out how to work something. Gone are the days when games came with little to no instruction manuals and people had to figure out how to do things.
Yes, the interface isnt a game, but when I hear people say things like "I dont klnow where to go" and "Chat looks empty", I assume they never bothered to figure out how to deal with it. I've been in and out of channels all the time through sc2 bnet.
On the other hand, Bnet 0.2 is really weak and sparse compared to WC3 and even SC1 bnet, and all those features should never have been removed in the first place. So it is a step forward here.
We can applaud them for (finally) listening. Just don't be overly grateful for things we should've had since day one.
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On March 13 2012 16:09 Biggun69 wrote:
will there be REPLAYS WITH FRIENDS?
can I answer that? I have no fucking clue. Can TL answer that? No, how could they?
If we were to find out anything it would be from blizzard so why don't you go ask them yourself? blizz wants us to give them feedback on their website
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On March 13 2012 16:25 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 16:21 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 16:08 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:00 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:55 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:45 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2012 15:11 ArcLiTe wrote:
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Oh Im bashing people now? Oh ok I see Im the bad guy right? Oh sorry people. All hail blizzard!
yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. That is how unwanted things get changed; by showing discontent. So what reaction do you want out of people exactly? Improvements are being made and you want everyone to be mad? That doesn't make much sense now does it. Nobody is happy it took so long, people are happy it will be patched at all. Do people have to react?Does an improvement that is long overdue and simplistic, warrant such a praise? If people must react, they can express their frustration about the slow progression over something simple. Do people have to react? What kind of silly question is that? How exactly can you NOT react in some way or form? Something should go through your head when you read this, that something is what you call a reaction. Again, people aren't praising it because its this late, people are just happy it happens at all. Oh no i meant react as in posting, not the actual definition. On March 13 2012 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2012 15:11 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:01 windsupernova wrote:On March 13 2012 14:49 ArcLiTe wrote:
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To all those people yapping their mouths praising blizzard for doing this saying oh blizzard our master and savior we bow down to your greatness oh masterful savior we are not worthy oh please master your kindness is too much.-- Just disgusting. This should have been out on release day in the first place. Are we reading the same thread? Nobody is saying that kind of stuff. But there is no use in bitching about the past. Should they have released a better BNET at launch? Yeah, but unfortunately they didn't so any step forward is a win in my book.Do they still have a lot of work to do? Of course and I don't think anybody is saying that BNET is all that it could be atm. Its fine that you think the way you do but don't bash people for not sharing your exact mindset Oh Im bashing people now? Oh ok I see Im the bad guy right? Oh sorry people. All hail blizzard! yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. By showing discontent, it puts blizzard pressure to change their ways. And while im posting this i might as well post my disappointment that blizzard has not done what steam did with dota 2; incorporating LAN in a way that it doesn't hurt their sales. There's a difference with being happy with an improvement and being happy with the status quo. You're assuming that people are now just going "Hey! Now everything's fine." People aren't. People are happy that these much needed improvements are here, but - and this is key - we still want the other key improvements. No one here is saying "I'm completely satisfied." In short, the UI thread will be updated to not include the changes that Blizzard's offered, but it will still be there, and the movement will still be there. Also, people not being happy with the patch would "hurt esports" (god, do we really have to resort to this silliness of "X is hurting esports"???). If nobody was happy at all, Blizzard would see that, throw their arms up in the air and go "oh well, listening to them didn't accomplish anything, guess there's no point in doing these improvements, we might as well continue doing things just in terms of what we think gets $$$ instead of what we think these people are telling us. Of course, this is an extreme, but only running counterpoise to your extreme that you provided. But let's be real - no one here is adopting either extreme, and people, while happy with the improvement/the sign that Blizzard is listening, are not happy to the point of being satisfied. No i'm assuming people take abit of positivity out of this event but i worded the post wrong. People should be abit more aggressive on their stance. Critisizing the parts where they feel frustrated and nothing more, no compliments until these shenanigans get sorted out. All this gimmick by blizzard happened because the community let it happen ( by 'let it happen', i mean not being critical about it enough). By being aggressive as a community, it shows that we are not a pushover and want to be treated with certain level of standards. I agree that people should maintain their criticism, but I don't necessarily think these changes are due to the degree of aggressiveness. People have been feeling these sentiments since the launch of the game (perhaps even earlier, in the beta). If anything, emotion would fade over time by now, but at the very least, it doesn't make sense that people, out of any time, would be suddenly more angry now, and that this anger led to the UI thread/reddit/b.net posts. Instead, I think that the big change was due to the organization and unification of our frustration into a single and therefore far more potent movement. Those recent threads on b.net and the like. As long as we maintain the momentum behind those threads, I think we're on a good path. Ok when i say frustration, i dont mean anger, but discontent. And when i say discontent, i mean a feeling of injustice. And a feeling of injustice does not fade away over time.
pity, then you will live a very, very unhappy life of feeling constantly cheated and expecting others to do everything for you.
blizzard is doing what blizzard can, unfortunately your wishes is not blizzards highest priority, go cry to mommy about it.
heres a few words of wisdom that will improve your life quality overall:
1. Think about the solution, not the problem.
2. Who better to do what you want done but you?
3. There is no reason to feel unhappy, unhappiness doesn't help the situation.
4. Punishing bad behaviour will turn people against you, rewarding good behaviour will make them want to please you.
5. The only group of people whom will deliberatly try make you feel bad is trolls and angry ex's.
6. People makes mistakes, It's pretty much inevitable.
7. When people make mistakes, think about when you make mistakes, how would you want to be treated?
8. When people realise they have made a mistake, they do their best to fix it.
9. Problems take time to fix, give it time.
10. Everything is relative, even truth itself.
11. Everyone does everything for a reason.
12. Think twice before realising you needn't speak.
13. Think twice, then think once from the other persons perspective, then speak.
14. Life is not, and will never be, perfect.
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This is a nice update. It's good to know Blizz is finally listening up to the fans  .
I wonder if they're going to make balance changes in this patch, but it's unlikely since they just put some in in the last patch.
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Sounds great i hope it will be THAT awesome
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I'm not sure why people are making a big deal out of this... all thats different is we can resize chat windows. Thats a pretty small feature especially for a "annoucement" from blizzard. When they add some clan support or even private channel support... then ill be happy.
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We’re also working on a feature that will help players connect with other players and games that are near their location (connecting through the same IP). We believe this will primarily be used by people in internet gaming rooms, offices, dorm rooms, and local tournaments where you just want to find the guy sitting in the desk next to you. Although this may not be ready in time for the release of patch 1.5, we do intend to have this available by the time Heart of the Swarm ships.
wa-wha-WHAAAT? Is that like....semi-LAN? I dont believe it.
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How Is this not in the TL news?
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On March 13 2012 16:57 emc wrote:can I answer that? I have no fucking clue. Can TL answer that? No, how could they? If we were to find out anything it would be from blizzard so why don't you go ask them yourself? blizz wants us to give them feedback on their website
Blizzard said that shared replay feature will come eventually.
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On March 13 2012 17:04 Roblin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 16:25 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:21 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 16:08 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:00 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:55 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:45 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:
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yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. That is how unwanted things get changed; by showing discontent. So what reaction do you want out of people exactly? Improvements are being made and you want everyone to be mad? That doesn't make much sense now does it. Nobody is happy it took so long, people are happy it will be patched at all. Do people have to react?Does an improvement that is long overdue and simplistic, warrant such a praise? If people must react, they can express their frustration about the slow progression over something simple. Do people have to react? What kind of silly question is that? How exactly can you NOT react in some way or form? Something should go through your head when you read this, that something is what you call a reaction. Again, people aren't praising it because its this late, people are just happy it happens at all. Oh no i meant react as in posting, not the actual definition. On March 13 2012 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2012 15:11 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:01 windsupernova wrote:
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Are we reading the same thread?
Nobody is saying that kind of stuff. But there is no use in bitching about the past. Should they have released a better BNET at launch? Yeah, but unfortunately they didn't so any step forward is a win in my book.Do they still have a lot of work to do? Of course and I don't think anybody is saying that BNET is all that it could be atm.
Its fine that you think the way you do but don't bash people for not sharing your exact mindset Oh Im bashing people now? Oh ok I see Im the bad guy right? Oh sorry people. All hail blizzard! yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. By showing discontent, it puts blizzard pressure to change their ways. And while im posting this i might as well post my disappointment that blizzard has not done what steam did with dota 2; incorporating LAN in a way that it doesn't hurt their sales. There's a difference with being happy with an improvement and being happy with the status quo. You're assuming that people are now just going "Hey! Now everything's fine." People aren't. People are happy that these much needed improvements are here, but - and this is key - we still want the other key improvements. No one here is saying "I'm completely satisfied." In short, the UI thread will be updated to not include the changes that Blizzard's offered, but it will still be there, and the movement will still be there. Also, people not being happy with the patch would "hurt esports" (god, do we really have to resort to this silliness of "X is hurting esports"???). If nobody was happy at all, Blizzard would see that, throw their arms up in the air and go "oh well, listening to them didn't accomplish anything, guess there's no point in doing these improvements, we might as well continue doing things just in terms of what we think gets $$$ instead of what we think these people are telling us. Of course, this is an extreme, but only running counterpoise to your extreme that you provided. But let's be real - no one here is adopting either extreme, and people, while happy with the improvement/the sign that Blizzard is listening, are not happy to the point of being satisfied. No i'm assuming people take abit of positivity out of this event but i worded the post wrong. People should be abit more aggressive on their stance. Critisizing the parts where they feel frustrated and nothing more, no compliments until these shenanigans get sorted out. All this gimmick by blizzard happened because the community let it happen ( by 'let it happen', i mean not being critical about it enough). By being aggressive as a community, it shows that we are not a pushover and want to be treated with certain level of standards. I agree that people should maintain their criticism, but I don't necessarily think these changes are due to the degree of aggressiveness. People have been feeling these sentiments since the launch of the game (perhaps even earlier, in the beta). If anything, emotion would fade over time by now, but at the very least, it doesn't make sense that people, out of any time, would be suddenly more angry now, and that this anger led to the UI thread/reddit/b.net posts. Instead, I think that the big change was due to the organization and unification of our frustration into a single and therefore far more potent movement. Those recent threads on b.net and the like. As long as we maintain the momentum behind those threads, I think we're on a good path. Ok when i say frustration, i dont mean anger, but discontent. And when i say discontent, i mean a feeling of injustice. And a feeling of injustice does not fade away over time. pity, then you will live a very, very unhappy life of feeling constantly cheated and expecting others to do everything for you. blizzard is doing what blizzard can, unfortunately your wishes is not blizzards highest priority, go cry to mommy about it. heres a few words of wisdom that will improve your life quality overall: 1. Think about the solution, not the problem. 2. Who better to do what you want done but you? 3. There is no reason to feel unhappy, unhappiness doesn't help the situation. 4. Punishing bad behaviour will turn people against you, rewarding good behaviour will make them want to please you. 5. The only group of people whom will deliberatly try make you feel bad is trolls and angry ex's. 6. People makes mistakes, It's pretty much inevitable. 7. When people make mistakes, think about when you make mistakes, how would you want to be treated? 8. When people realise they have made a mistake, they do their best to fix it. 9. Problems take time to fix, give it time. 10. Everything is relative, even truth itself. 11. Everyone does everything for a reason. 12. Think twice before realising you needn't speak. 13. Think twice, then think once from the other persons perspective, then speak. 14. Life is not, and will never be, perfect.
My wishes align with the community. I just want a bit of decency from bnet, thats all. This isnt something that i can change but blizzard can. And the things that i have a problem with are things that can easily be changed in a short time.
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So , i don't see the part where they fix Protoss.Oh well they're just fixing battle.net interface TT....
User was warned for this post
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1.5 looks like a step in the right direction. They should add Clan with clan chat on top. So you can chat with your friends no mater chat Blizzard game you are logged into.
When seeing the streaming thing I instantly thought "cool they will add support to stream video from tournaments directly inside the SC2 client".
Guess not. Even though some people will properly be happy with the streaming tech, I don't think it belongs on a 1.5 list. 
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so the only answer they have to fix the UI is to make chat windows bigger... That's a really really really small step, but in the right decision. Maybe in 10 years we will have a UI as good as 1998's starcraft...
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This is a step in the right direction, the people that aren't happy with this are being impatient. There's still time before HoTS comes out to further remedy the failure that is social interaction and custom games in bnet 2.0, and they won't just stop patching after that hits either.
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Hopefully this is a change for the better! Maybe ESPORTS will grow faster with more people getting addicted of Sc2
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These kinds of things could change the growth back in Starcraft 2. Hopefully the execution is way better than the words from the mouth of Mr.Browder.
These things should've implemented long ago.
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On March 13 2012 17:21 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 17:04 Roblin wrote:On March 13 2012 16:25 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:21 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 16:08 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:00 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:55 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:45 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:
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I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap.
^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. That is how unwanted things get changed; by showing discontent. So what reaction do you want out of people exactly? Improvements are being made and you want everyone to be mad? That doesn't make much sense now does it. Nobody is happy it took so long, people are happy it will be patched at all. Do people have to react?Does an improvement that is long overdue and simplistic, warrant such a praise? If people must react, they can express their frustration about the slow progression over something simple. Do people have to react? What kind of silly question is that? How exactly can you NOT react in some way or form? Something should go through your head when you read this, that something is what you call a reaction. Again, people aren't praising it because its this late, people are just happy it happens at all. Oh no i meant react as in posting, not the actual definition. On March 13 2012 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:On March 13 2012 15:11 ArcLiTe wrote:
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Oh Im bashing people now? Oh ok I see Im the bad guy right? Oh sorry people. All hail blizzard!
yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. By showing discontent, it puts blizzard pressure to change their ways. And while im posting this i might as well post my disappointment that blizzard has not done what steam did with dota 2; incorporating LAN in a way that it doesn't hurt their sales. There's a difference with being happy with an improvement and being happy with the status quo. You're assuming that people are now just going "Hey! Now everything's fine." People aren't. People are happy that these much needed improvements are here, but - and this is key - we still want the other key improvements. No one here is saying "I'm completely satisfied." In short, the UI thread will be updated to not include the changes that Blizzard's offered, but it will still be there, and the movement will still be there. Also, people not being happy with the patch would "hurt esports" (god, do we really have to resort to this silliness of "X is hurting esports"???). If nobody was happy at all, Blizzard would see that, throw their arms up in the air and go "oh well, listening to them didn't accomplish anything, guess there's no point in doing these improvements, we might as well continue doing things just in terms of what we think gets $$$ instead of what we think these people are telling us. Of course, this is an extreme, but only running counterpoise to your extreme that you provided. But let's be real - no one here is adopting either extreme, and people, while happy with the improvement/the sign that Blizzard is listening, are not happy to the point of being satisfied. No i'm assuming people take abit of positivity out of this event but i worded the post wrong. People should be abit more aggressive on their stance. Critisizing the parts where they feel frustrated and nothing more, no compliments until these shenanigans get sorted out. All this gimmick by blizzard happened because the community let it happen ( by 'let it happen', i mean not being critical about it enough). By being aggressive as a community, it shows that we are not a pushover and want to be treated with certain level of standards. I agree that people should maintain their criticism, but I don't necessarily think these changes are due to the degree of aggressiveness. People have been feeling these sentiments since the launch of the game (perhaps even earlier, in the beta). If anything, emotion would fade over time by now, but at the very least, it doesn't make sense that people, out of any time, would be suddenly more angry now, and that this anger led to the UI thread/reddit/b.net posts. Instead, I think that the big change was due to the organization and unification of our frustration into a single and therefore far more potent movement. Those recent threads on b.net and the like. As long as we maintain the momentum behind those threads, I think we're on a good path. Ok when i say frustration, i dont mean anger, but discontent. And when i say discontent, i mean a feeling of injustice. And a feeling of injustice does not fade away over time. pity, then you will live a very, very unhappy life of feeling constantly cheated and expecting others to do everything for you. blizzard is doing what blizzard can, unfortunately your wishes is not blizzards highest priority, go cry to mommy about it. heres a few words of wisdom that will improve your life quality overall: 1. Think about the solution, not the problem. 2. Who better to do what you want done but you? 3. There is no reason to feel unhappy, unhappiness doesn't help the situation. 4. Punishing bad behaviour will turn people against you, rewarding good behaviour will make them want to please you. 5. The only group of people whom will deliberatly try make you feel bad is trolls and angry ex's. 6. People makes mistakes, It's pretty much inevitable. 7. When people make mistakes, think about when you make mistakes, how would you want to be treated? 8. When people realise they have made a mistake, they do their best to fix it. 9. Problems take time to fix, give it time. 10. Everything is relative, even truth itself. 11. Everyone does everything for a reason. 12. Think twice before realising you needn't speak. 13. Think twice, then think once from the other persons perspective, then speak. 14. Life is not, and will never be, perfect. My wishes align with the community. I just want a bit of decency from bnet, thats all. This isnt something that i can change but blizzard can. And the things that i have a problem with are things that can easily be changed in a short time.
"My wishes align with the community."
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who said the communities wishes is blizzards priority? if blizz spent all their time cartering to the community, what time would they have left to develop, for example, HOTS?
"I just want a bit of decency from bnet, thats all."
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excellent, you have presented a problem, start thinking about the solution.
fine, you may wish whatever you wan't, but don't lash out on someone doing you favors.
as the saying goes: "beggars cannot be choosers".
patience is key, if you present something to blizzard enough, and they recognise it as a problem, they will do their best to fix it, perhaps not immiedietly though.
"This isn't something that i can change but blizzard can."
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blizzard wants to please you, but they also have tens of thousands of other people to please, not all of these feel the same issues as you do, remember, the majority of SC2 players are not visiting forums such as this.
"And the things that i have a problem with are things that can easily be changed in a short time."
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the only way for you to know this is to have access to the source code. do you have easy access to the source code for SC2? no? then how do you know it's so easy? you don't.
what if it isn't as easy as you think?
what if they have other, more pressing, issues?
you cannot always assume you are right, until you have seen the issue from the other side.
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