EPTOn April 24 2012 09:31 IMoperator wrote:
Quick question when is Blizz going to fix TvP?
Quick question when is Blizz going to fix TvP?
The real question, when is P going to get nerfed?
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eParadox
Canada132 Posts
The real question, when is P going to get nerfed? | ||
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monitor
United States2406 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:06 eParadox wrote: The real question, when is P going to get nerfed? The problem is straight-up nerfing Protoss for PvT imbalance (if there is any) will make ZvP like 10 times worse than it is already. Imo really what Protoss needs is some structural changes that make harass and taking a third easier (earlier splash damage or more effective units in small numbers). | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:12 monitor wrote: The problem is straight-up nerfing Protoss for PvT imbalance (if there is any) will make ZvP like 10 times worse than it is already. Imo really what Protoss needs is some structural changes that make harass and taking a third easier (earlier splash damage or more effective units in small numbers). Idk, they need something early game definitely to balance it out vs. terran and zerg, but then lategame it becomes really hard to win against a toss. | ||
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snowfox330
Canada61 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:32 IMoperator wrote: Idk, they need something early game definitely to balance it out vs. terran and zerg, but then lategame it becomes really hard to win against a toss. In late game ZVP, zerg has the advantage. Protoss has no composition that can effectively deal with infestor broodlord, all zerg needs to do is to use infestors/corruptors to zone out the mothership and the zerg can just attack and kill bases without any resistance. Nerfing protoss in the late game will create an even bigger problem in the PVZ match up. I don't think there is THAT much problem in late game PVT at the moment. At least not enough to justify a change. There hasn't been enough time for the metagame shift to solidify, and a change simply cannot be justified before that happens. In the mean time, Terran players need to figure out new tactics that they should use to face late game Protoss, instead of just crying about balance. For example, try dropping with low energy medivacs to prevent feedback, building extra orbitals to scan and anticipate for the colossus/templar switch, or even trying mech. The point is, stop saying its imba because the old style doesn't work anymore, look at what happened with the ghost nerf in late game TVZ. Before the nerf everyone was like "this is terrible and it will completely unbalance the game, there's now no way for terrans to deal with broodlords blah blah blah", and after it came out what happened? Turns out "oh I can just make some vikings and drop a lot" and the match up was completely fine. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44563 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:06 eParadox wrote: The real question, when is P going to get nerfed? After they start performing as well as- and then better than- both Terran and Zerg in tournaments, probably. That's usually how it goes. Also, statistics are useful too. And Protoss have been statistically the worst race, so I don't really see them getting nerfed anytime soon. lol. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:06 eParadox wrote: The real question, when is P going to get nerfed? The ultimate question, when is TSL 4 going to happen? | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On April 24 2012 12:32 snowfox330 wrote: In late game ZVP, zerg has the advantage. Protoss has no composition that can effectively deal with infestor broodlord, all zerg needs to do is to use infestors/corruptors to zone out the mothership and the zerg can just attack and kill bases without any resistance. Nerfing protoss in the late game will create an even bigger problem in the PVZ match up. I don't think there is THAT much problem in late game PVT at the moment. At least not enough to justify a change. There hasn't been enough time for the metagame shift to solidify, and a change simply cannot be justified before that happens. In the mean time, Terran players need to figure out new tactics that they should use to face late game Protoss, instead of just crying about balance. For example, try dropping with low energy medivacs to prevent feedback, building extra orbitals to scan and anticipate for the colossus/templar switch, or even trying mech. The point is, stop saying its imba because the old style doesn't work anymore, look at what happened with the ghost nerf in late game TVZ. Before the nerf everyone was like "this is terrible and it will completely unbalance the game, there's now no way for terrans to deal with broodlords blah blah blah", and after it came out what happened? Turns out "oh I can just make some vikings and drop a lot" and the match up was completely fine. I had the same opinion as you, then i switched terran. Its just stupid how better than your opponent you must be to beat him. I hadnt played Terran since the emp nerf and its just plain out stupid now. The truth is Terran got nerfed because protoss' were crying so bad and they didnt let the meta game stabilize back then. tvp would be pretty balanced now if emp had proper radius and took away all energy. (not shileds, energy) | ||
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GoonFFS
Denmark323 Posts
pvt is different, but i feel like luck is more of a factor - which bothers me slightly all this talk about 'having to be so much better' than your opponent to win (in any matchup) is just senseless rage that doesn't belong anywhere | ||
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:42 rebuffering wrote: Very much wondering this myself, especially considerin MLG takes forever to release anything. Yeah, I just did find out that the winter championship pack is up. How long has that been there? | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
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sKoo_san
Germany1 Post
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On April 24 2012 10:06 eParadox wrote: The real question, when is P going to get nerfed? After 5 PvT/PvZ in Code A today where only 1 protoss won, I just knew I would read some Protoss imba QQ somewhere xD Made my day, thank you sir! | ||
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vibLix
United States2 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:35 Naid wrote: Man, last night...they tried to gang me, I'm lucky I had all the eight shotgun bullets in my pocket and my shotgun which i was taking with me to school just in case of something awful would happen! sounds more like you live in alaska than in sweden  | ||
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dotDash
Sweden142 Posts
On April 25 2012 17:54 sc14s wrote: sounds more like you live in alaska than in sweden Hilarious that people think Sweden has polar bears.. if that really is what is said here, that is... Cheers Dan | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
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SKDN
Sweden243 Posts
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Topin
Peru10082 Posts
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dotDash
Sweden142 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:09 SKDN wrote: As a new born terran player, why isnt nuke used more? its cheap as hell! Games rarely get to the point where you can afford spending that money on it and already have ghosts out.. its also rather situational.  ..I've been trying to get it into my gameplay recently though! :D Cheers Dan | ||
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garbodor
269 Posts
I haven't seen any of the weekly KoTHs they ran for points in months, was it just called off and I missed the announcement? | ||
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