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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 14:31:12
March 06 2012 20:52 GMT
#1
"My name is James Lampkin, I am part-time student and full-time eSports..."

A conversation with
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about StarCraft and eSports.


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Timestamps are active in the video description to jump to the desired topic.

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00:30 Personal Background
“I'm part-time student and full-time eSports or full time-student, part-time eSports depending on the week”


“I started watching StarCraft at the beginning of the year [2006] and during one event, it was Tasteless' first casting event, and he'd mentioned that he was worried that he was going to get flamed on this site called Teamliquid and I looked into it, googled it a little bit, found out what it was and got hooked immediately!”

___________________________________________________________

02:00 First encounter with StarCraft
“It was probably around 2002 that I played it. I played Single Player, cheated through Single Player didn't really get too much into Multiplayer [...]”

___________________________________________________________

03:28 Comparing Brood War and Wings of Liberty Single Player
“It is a completely different feel, when I play Brood War single player now I get super nostalgic [...]”


“[...] I found it [Brood War] got a lot more emotion out of me than some of the StarCraft II stuff even though it's a huge cinematic experience [...]”

___________________________________________________________

04:14 Starting off at Teamliquid and the path to becoming Marketing Manager
“As far as becoming Marketing Manager goes, I still focus on a lot of other things and I think most of our jobs require that. [...] It's a lot of business decisions and a lot of business talking and figuring out our strategies for things [...]”

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07:26 Main ways Pro Teams are funded at the moment
“For most teams I think the majority of it comes from pure sponsorship dollars and I think a lot of teams are making a conscious effort trying to move away from that because it's not really sustainable.”


“I think in the future what you are going to see a big focus on is that we all will still have sponsors but it won't be as heavy a reliance on it”

___________________________________________________________

09:15 So you will focus on selling your own products – How come TL is always sold out of shirts?
“When we designed that shirt, we actually made a massive mistake...”


“With the new stuff we are going to be doing for the team and the site the tournaround time and the production will be a lot shorter”

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10:30 The basic blue shirts – Will they ever come back?
“We made a conscious decision at one point to focus on the horse brand, the horse logo...”

___________________________________________________________

11:24 Talking eSports future – Pay-Per-View (as seen in MLG Winter Arena) the way to go?
“I believe Pay-Per-View isn't for every league but in general there needs to be more money coming into the scene and less money leaving it and one of the ways to do that is Pay-Per-View. I am pretty open to it!”

___________________________________________________________

14:20 Implementation of a governing body like MLB, NFL etc. where the teams help fund the league rather than third party tournaments?

“Not for sometime and I'll tell you why...”

___________________________________________________________

16:00 Steps to be taken to monetize eSports and what will the community have to expect?
“There's been a lot of polls and a lot of discourse amongst the community about what's the right way to do it and what I would feel comfortable doing. I don't really take that too much value. Yeah, you have to take the community's opinion into consideration but if you go based on what the people in the community say, these organizations simply won't exist and also I think people aren't necessarily honest with themselves...”


“I don't think you can make business decisions based on that, and that's not a Teamliquid opinion, this is just me.”

___________________________________________________________

18:00 eSports changing, does the community attitude need to change?
“There is only going to be a change when content providers force a change...”


“eSports is pretty unique, In no other Sport is it where you can have such direct access to executives of these companies […] Imagine Jerry Jones from the Dallas Cowboys getting on a message board and you tell him 'No man, you're killing football!' [...]”

“Fans vote with their wallet, fans don't vote verbally. If you go and buy it you've told the content provider it was successful. So if 20.000 people buy MLG the community has told MLG it is a good thing...”

___________________________________________________________

20:20 Official Teamliquid stand on this? (regarding the fact that it wasn't featured in the calendar)

“I don't think everybody is going to switch over to Pay-Per-View immediately […] IPL said they are going to stick with Freemium and NASL as well...”


“The most important thing is that we keep growing the audience. I think we have shown that this thing [PPV] has a chance but it is not where it is fully sustainable yet. It needs a bigger audience...”

___________________________________________________________

22:55 The influence of Teamliquid (site, team, everything) on foreign eSports – Where would the scene be without Teamliquid?

“Teamliquid basically carried Brood War for its entire eSports career outside of Korea...”

“It's hard to guess what would have happened without it, but as far as its existence, it's incredibly, incredibly important in the history of foreign eSports...”

___________________________________________________________

24:28 Release of StarCraft II meant a massive increase in numbers and substantial growth for Teamliquid – Do you think Heart of the Swarm has the same potential?

“I think there will be a big bump. I have talked to Blizzard about this, they were pretty open about the fact that a lot of people buy StarCraft II just to play the single player...”

“I think there is a lot of room for Youtube commentators and content providers to capitalize on that and capture new fans and I think they will! [...] And the fact that we have to shots of that with Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void is pretty cool...”
___________________________________________________________

25:33 How closely do you [Teamliquid] work together with Blizzard? (relating to the fact that Blizzard included community maps in the Season 7 Map Pool)

“When it's appropriate we want to get really good engaging content from Blizzard and do cool projects like that but it's not something we rely on in our day-to-day...”

“There's an eSports team we talk to, there is a community team we talk to, there is Bob Colayco in the PR team who we talk to for interviews and things like that. There is pretty steady communication back and forth”
___________________________________________________________

27:55 APRIL IS COMING! Brood War Pro's switching to StarCraft II
“It's happening in April, April is coming! ”


“It's just kind of a rumour. There is people training now in StarCraft II who've been training for a while and will slowly transition; a bunch of B-teamers and some A-teamers and people who retired and are investigating it but it's not some kind of cataclysmic event where all the foreigners are going to ask 'Why didn't you stop it?'”
___________________________________________________________

29:05 Is it going to change the game?
“It's not like all the Brood War players are going to switch and the game changes because they were Brood War players. These players will adapt to StarCraft II and not the other way around but they will add more talent to the pool. So yeah, the game will get better.”

___________________________________________________________

30:05 Do Korean teams have a problem with marketing to the foreign scene? (also regarding TL/OGS partnership)

“I think most of the Korean teams treat their teams as teams only while most of the foreign teams treat their teams as marketing companies first. So there is kind of a difference in philosophy there in what the focus should be...”
___________________________________________________________

32:22 Mechanics implemented like auto-mine and smart-cast – Have they significantly lowered the skill cap/skill gradient?

“The very first time I played StarCraft II at BlizzCon, four of us went and played it, and we wrote this article […] and the very first thing we all wrote was that all of these things lower the skill cap of the game. I don't take that back at all. I think it's very clear that they lowered the skill cap of the game. It makes it much easier for Noobies to keep up with Pros...”

“Just the nature of the game engine and those sorts of mechanics; it's an easier game. It's not necessarily a worse game but a lot of people probably contest that.”
___________________________________________________________

33:54 Favorite Brood War Player – Hoping for a switch to SCII?

“ My favorite Brood War player was (Z)sAviOr and I don't think he will be switching to StarCraft II anytime soon ”
___________________________________________________________

34:18 Favorite StarCraft II Player

“(P)LiquidHerO is my favorite StarCraft II player.”

___________________________________________________________

34:40 Kennigit's Intel Extreme Masters World Championship Predictions

    Group A (no particular order):
  • (P)Violet
  • (T)MMA
  • (P)JYP

    Group B
    “I would love Grubby to get out of that group.”
    “I actually don't know who comes out of that group.”


    Group C (in order)
  • (T)PuMa
  • (Z)Zenio
  • (Z)DIMAGA/(T)SeleCT

    Group D (in order)
  • (T)SuperNoVa
  • (T)Kas “That guy is sick. He's really good!”
  • (P)Feast “Because he has (P)Grubby there with him to coach him.” or (Z)IdrA

    IEM Winner Prediction:
    “I don't know […] I guess (T)MMA is an easy pick.”
___________________________________________________________

40:30 Holding StarCraft tournaments at conventions – Do StarCraft II tournaments still need conventions (rather than being standalone events)?


“Yeah, absolutely... The only reason they wouldn't need it is if they could maintain the same audience and the same exposure for sponsors at the same price point. Because Intel has that hall already there with CeBIT and there is 100.000 people coming in for CeBIT already, there is no real situation I can see where you can add 150.000$ in cost for a hall to ESL and still maintain that audience at a standalone event. There is no real point in doing that. That money can go somewhere else...”

“That's how you build new audiences by exposing it to people at gaming shows and tech conventions who haven't necessarily seen it before...”
___________________________________________________________

42:38 How polished/professional does casting need to be? (in relation to the racism/sexism in casting thread)

“I find with a lot of traditional sports casters, professionalism comes off as phoniness...”
___________________________________________________________

45:22 Katu calling Dragon a stream cheater – Where is the line between goofy and unprofessional?

“If you are accusing somebody of cheating; I mean in StarCraft II, literally the worst thing you can do is cheat. […] to throw that out casually I think is pretty dumb. The guy obviously learnt his lesson but I think the reaction was pretty appropriate from people to demand more out of casters...”
___________________________________________________________

46:49 How much money is there really in StarCraft II? Why player salaries are not made public / Cash flow in the scene

“Player salaries aren't public […] the reason for that, honestly, […] is because teams and organizations can't brag about them yet...”

“Organizations want more money coming in from the audience as there is right now...”
___________________________________________________________

49:49 Implementing new features on Teamliquid and thinking outside the box in eSports
___________________________________________________________

52:35 Shout-outs
___________________________________________________________

53:43 What can people do to help out the community?
___________________________________________________________

EXTRA:
54:53 Jason “InsidiA” Pun – a 15 year old TL.net member who reached out to the community and does amazing designs and overlays (including the one for In The Spotlight)

___________________________________________________________


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Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
March 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#2
Wow really good watch! nice job
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 06 2012 21:40 GMT
#3
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job


Glad you liked it.
✉ Tweets @sc2channel ⌦ Blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/JOJO ⌫ "Arbiterssss... build more arbiterssss." Click 'Profile' for awesome shiro art!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
March 06 2012 21:46 GMT
#4
Respect for naming sAviOr as favorite player, a lot of people would have shied away from that these days (especially so in an interview or something).

He's still my second favorite too.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
March 06 2012 21:48 GMT
#5
look forward to listening to this when I get home
RIP MBC Game Hero
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
March 06 2012 21:54 GMT
#6
Interesting interview, though I have to say a lot of stuff in there I just don't agree with. This is especially on Kenni's stance towards PPV aswell as HotS and LotV.

PPV vs Growth:
PPV will simply make growth practically non-existant for that particular event*. There are obviously two outcomes of PPV, success or failure.
- If it is success, then the PPV event will be leeching on other events to bring in the growth. Furtheremore, if it is normal that PPV is success, then those events that are playing for free will move on to PPV, because frankly, why not? This would likely just stop esports dead cold, because you are limiting growth so much.
- If it is failure, well then I'd assume the tournament organizers would stop PPV and in unlikely worst case scenario go belly up.
As I see it, for PPV to work longterm for SC2 scene, the organizers would have to have some honor code between themselves to only have like max 50% of their events PPV, so all the organizers are taking part in growing the scene while still getting a part of the cake.
Nonetheless, I think PPV is a terrible decision in current state of the scene. This is especially considering that MLG was taking expenses I feel should be on the teams to take, the flights, the stay etc. While I understand that they wouldn't have had the same talent(koreans) without it, I feel this is kind of crazy step to take, going from "we're to poor, help us" to "look ok this is PPV but we're getting the best of the best here, don't worry because of the PPV you are paying thx gl".


Concerning Katu: I feel the community made a way to much deal about it. It was stupid by him no doubt, he deserved maybe some of it, but from my POV it was pretty clear that he wasn't being serious and far from accusing him of stream cheating. I also find the situation kind of funny seeing as I doubt with the same comment made about a player that had nothing bad on his back, this would not have been an issue in the least. So in essence a player with cheating on his back gets the right to qq(well his fans, afaik Dragon was rather indifferent after the apology?). I mean it's a part of his history in esports now, I think he aswell as his fans have just got to deal a joke here and there.


* People could probably make an argument that it would perhaps increase the barcraft scene and through that, perhaps increase sponsors(bars), but I kind of think that is stretching.
SilentVico
Profile Joined August 2011
United States128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:01:34
March 06 2012 22:01 GMT
#7
cool read
"words will hurt forever"
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
March 06 2012 22:03 GMT
#8
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:07:00
March 06 2012 22:06 GMT
#9
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
March 06 2012 22:10 GMT
#10
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
March 06 2012 22:14 GMT
#11
thanks for typing it out, was an interesting read!
This is our town, scrub
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
March 06 2012 22:16 GMT
#12
On March 07 2012 07:06 Hyperionnn wrote:
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486


woh, is that his first post?

...mind bl0wn
My religion is Starcraft
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 06 2012 22:16 GMT
#13
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:


He can also jump to the parts he wants to listen to/watch by using the timestamps in the video description.


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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
March 06 2012 22:22 GMT
#14
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)
Moderator
Blade Fox
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States215 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:29:25
March 06 2012 22:26 GMT
#15
Very well done interview, nice responses by Kennigit.

The question about April's BW pro's switching is exciting.
Blame it on my A.D.D
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:27:43
March 06 2012 22:27 GMT
#16
On March 07 2012 07:22 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)

wait did i ever explain why your icon looks like a snake with a turban?
gotta do that as soon as i find time.
This is our town, scrub
qqK
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany282 Posts
March 06 2012 22:31 GMT
#17
On March 07 2012 07:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:22 Chill wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)

wait did i ever explain why your icon looks like a snake with a turban?
gotta do that as soon as i find time.

wtf ... you're right o.0

on topic: it's ESPORTS not eSports
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 06 2012 22:35 GMT
#18
About 15 minutes in and really liking it, Kennigit is really smart on these topics
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
bro_fenix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
March 06 2012 22:52 GMT
#19
Great, great interview. Thanks Kennigit and In the Spotlight/JOJOsc2news. I agree that when more people watch professional SC2, more money can be asked for from the audience to better fund the players/teams/organizations/tournaments.
Life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass... Its about learning to dance in the rain.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 06 2012 22:53 GMT
#20
May I point out that all IEM predictions are correct so far...

(Well I guess the Group B prediction is kinda cheating... )
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sanctuz
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway184 Posts
March 06 2012 23:33 GMT
#21
Great interview, good questions and really good answers by kennigit.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
March 06 2012 23:42 GMT
#22
Most well made OP i have seen. Imagine if this was the norm when posting a interview. Thanks for doing this
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 06 2012 23:44 GMT
#23
Okay, time for some back talk.

***

As for associations. It could work. I understand each organization has their own goals and brand to sell. They see themselves as competitors; however, they are in the same bed. They could benefit from holding a summit at the end of this season before laying out any plans for the next. There can be an official Pro Circuit where each organizer plays host under one standardized format (doesn't mean one-offs like TSL cannot still take place). I honestly would like to see all the major players get together for a planning session at the end of their season.

I think it's important to start these discussions by the end of the year. KeSPA is already prepping themselves. You want to be ready.

***

"Voting with our wallets."

Yes, polls are incredibly inaccurate. However, the pity card still came into play. We're told to pay regardless and send feedback to MLG to let them know, "Hey, we'll pay for it this time but have your shit together for the next one." In other words, people were told to pay out of sympathy or to support esports anyway when they don't necessarily agree with the product.

Sort of the opposite way of doing things because they still got your money and that speaks for itself.

**

As for the interview Jojo,

There's one topic you missed: the TSL.

James is one of the guys who brings the TSL to life. I would say it's one of his crowning achievements as he has a big role in organizing it.

You covered a lot of content. It's funny because that would be my only criticism: I would have liked to see you come in with a pointed topic or put more focus on certain issues instead of just scratching the surface.

Great job though; keep up the good work.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 00:38:38
March 06 2012 23:52 GMT
#24
On March 07 2012 07:06 Hyperionnn wrote:
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486


ha
On March 07 2012 07:22 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)


as in, chill out. as in calm down.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 01:07:42
March 07 2012 00:26 GMT
#25
One more thing as James indirectly pointed out,

Sometimes your questions are very long-winded and the guests can easily get lost in thought.

To try and limit this you can break the questions down into 2/3 parts. (Your bullet points get right to the point )

It comes down to tact. For instance in your Neil Kaplan interview you asked him what you were doing wrong? (context: when speaking into the mike). Very difficult thing to do when he's not physically there as he said.

I would have taken another approach. For example, I would ask him if he ever caught a live cast and his thoughts (he's been to conventions, he's watched Starcraft at Blizzcon). From there I would get to the meat of the topic. Lot's of casters have problems with maintaining their voices over 2-4 days of casting. Whether it be falling sick or losing their voices. What are some of the things you like to do for maintenance?
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
March 07 2012 00:36 GMT
#26
I really like how you highlighted a lot of the big questions and then put his answers next to it. Defiantly going to watch the video now, thanks!
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 04:00:53
March 07 2012 01:20 GMT
#27
On March 07 2012 08:44 StarStruck wrote:
Okay, time for some back talk.
+ Show Spoiler +

***

As for associations. It could work. I understand each organization has their own goals and brand to sell. They see themselves as competitors; however, they are in the same bed. They could benefit from holding a summit at the end of this season before laying out any plans for the next. There can be an official Pro Circuit where each organizer plays host under one standardized format (doesn't mean one-offs like TSL cannot still take place). I honestly would like to see all the major players get together for a planning session at the end of their season.

I think it's important to start these discussions by the end of the year. KeSPA is already prepping themselves. You want to be ready.

***

"Voting with our wallets."

Yes, polls are incredibly inaccurate. However, the pity card still came into play. We're told to pay regardless and send feedback to MLG to let them know, "Hey, we'll pay for it this time but have your shit together for the next one." In other words, people were told to pay out of sympathy or to support esports anyway when they don't necessarily agree with the product.

Sort of the opposite way of doing things because they still got your money and that speaks for itself.

**

As for the interview Jojo,

There's one topic you missed: the TSL.

James is one of the guys who brings the TSL to life. I would say it's one of his crowning achievements as he has a big role in organizing it.

You covered a lot of content. It's funny because that would be my only criticism: I would have liked to see you come in with a pointed topic or put more focus on certain issues instead of just scratching the surface.


Great job though; keep up the good work.


Thank you StarStruck for your detailed reply!
    Regarding your reply to an eSports association

I agree with your first point but I don't think I have enough insight into the business to be able to actually determine whether or not an association like that could work at the current moment. The idea of a general, standardized format, Pro-Circuit and especially broad communication looks like an extremely valuable suggestion though.

    Regarding "Voting with your wallets"

Your reply actually reminded me of what a friend of mine said about this: "It is a way to see what people put up with not with what they want."

I am a bit of an idealist in that regard. I like to believe my voice and input goes beyond the green in my wallet. I do realize that there is little place for that in the harsh business environment but that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it or think it is a status quo that should not be challenged. On the other hand I agree that we are in a climate where generally people assume that they won't have to pay for creative content (I am as guilty as most of this generation) That's not right either. I, personally, am not a fan of the PPV model at all but I am open to experimenting in all directions with making eSports sustainable.

The pity card you mentioned was actually a perspective I had not considered yet. That is actually quite a cunning analysis of the methods used to introduce this format. I remember the heated debates about giving it a try to see if it works and how doing one thing or the other was either saving or ruining eSports.

Kennigit touched upon that I think when he said that in no other sport you can actually get in contact with the executives in the way it is possible in the eSports scene. That means that there is a certain degree of openness and feeling of responsibility to the opinion of the community (rather than just voting by wallet) but (as you pointed out) it is also a means to open up the wallet and encourage support from the community for a product that they don't necessarily support.

I think the transition period we are in right now is extremely interesting for both the community as well as the executives and sponsors. I think there is a huge responsibility on both sides to be cautious and at many points on this way I think all of us need to ask ourselves if we are actually looking for personal gain (companies [economic], as well as community members [enjoying StarCraft content]) that is sustainable and allows growth or are we simply trying to rack up as much as we can.

That turned out longer than intended.

    Regarding not touching upon James' role in TSL

I know he'd mentioned it during the interview but I was simply not aware of the extent of the involvement and apparently my spider senses weren't tingling to pick it up. That is a well deserved criticism and I will take it to heart.

This goes along with your last comment about the variety of topics discussed and staying on the surface. Both points fall under the same kind of issue for me: I think I got carried away with the inclusion of questions submitted by viewers just ahead of or live during the interview. While I strongly believe that this format makes for a very productive and honest interaction between interviewer, interviewee and audience, I did realize that I lost my train of thought over that. This is something I will think about and work on for upcoming interviews as I, too, believe that opportunities to dig deeper can be missed that way. I don't think this show will ever be straight up, perfectly planned and through and through polished. I like the intimate atmosphere of a casual conversation and the fact that live submitted questions add randomness and different perspectives that often trigger very interesting dialogues (like "April is coming" or "Why is Teamliquid always out of shirts").

I have to give props to Kennigit in that regard too. He was really able to leave a topic and quickly incorporate these questions. I think that made for spontaneous and insightful answers.

Once again, thank you for dedicating so much time and effort to respond to this interview.
Feedback like that is not only critical for improving, it is also quite reassuring.
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 07 2012 03:03 GMT
#28
On March 07 2012 07:06 Hyperionnn wrote:
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486


Wow, this is gold. There should be a directory for 'legendary threads'
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 04:00:04
March 07 2012 03:56 GMT
#29
There is nothing wrong with taking viewer questions into consideration especially when it ties directly into the conversation. I would take questions from the community earlier in the process. You have the date set with the personality? Good, start asking around for questions. It could help your research at the same time.


Yeah, you never know where the conversation is going to go. That's the fun part. Speaking of which, that is the one thing I would like to challenge every interviewer to do: make the process as fun as possible.

Thought provoking is good too:

Yes, James.

April is coming. So is TSL 4.

EDIT: (April Fool's is going to be fun!)

You spoke about honest interaction. This goes back to your style as a host. Got to stick to your guns and what works for you.

In short:

- ask questions during the early stages of your prep
- have fun
- style: stick to what comes natural for you
Kuror
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 04:40:27
March 07 2012 04:32 GMT
#30
These interviews are really great. Interesting choice of people, rather than the pros that we can see a million of a day. I also love the timestamps. Everything is just really well done. Great job.

You and that kid who did the overlays really make me want to help the community more... until I realize I have no talent :x
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
March 07 2012 07:20 GMT
#31
On March 07 2012 08:52 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:06 Hyperionnn wrote:
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486


ha
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:22 Chill wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)


as in, chill out. as in calm down.

Yeah, was sleepy last night and I simply forgot to put a comma there
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 07:27:43
March 07 2012 07:21 GMT
#32
wow I really enjoyed this.. thanks a lot :D

edit:


On March 07 2012 07:06 Hyperionnn wrote:
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486


ahaha epic thread
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
March 07 2012 10:28 GMT
#33
On March 07 2012 07:06 Hyperionnn wrote:
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486

funny how this is how he got really into TL, but now this type of thread would be insta-closed with trolling like that
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 07 2012 13:57 GMT
#34
On March 07 2012 13:32 Kuror wrote:
These interviews are really great. Interesting choice of people, rather than the pros that we can see a million of a day. I also love the timestamps. Everything is just really well done. Great job.

You and that kid who did the overlays really make me want to help the community more... until I realize I have no talent :x


Thanks a lot for your kind words.

And yeah, what InsidiA is doing is really cool!
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Azza1109
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
March 07 2012 16:44 GMT
#35
Sweet job mate
Hell, it's about time
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
March 07 2012 16:50 GMT
#36
Awesome!
You should build a turtle fence!
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 07 2012 17:00 GMT
#37
On March 07 2012 08:42 SmoKim wrote:
Most well made OP i have seen. Imagine if this was the norm when posting a interview. Thanks for doing this


Very much appreciated!
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 07 2012 17:07 GMT
#38
Very nice indeed. Read through the transcript and now continuing with the video.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 07 2012 17:25 GMT
#39
On March 08 2012 02:07 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Very nice indeed. Read through the transcript and now continuing with the video.


Thanks The thread is more of an outline rather than a full transcript. The quotes are merely excerpts from the answers. The full answers are even more insightful and offer a lot more context. Let me know what you thought of it after.

Jojo
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Niklas9999
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden3 Posts
March 07 2012 20:23 GMT
#40
Great interview!!
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 07 2012 21:42 GMT
#41
On March 08 2012 05:23 Niklas9999 wrote:
Great interview!!


Thank you! I appreciate that you dedicate your second post here to this interview
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TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
March 07 2012 23:46 GMT
#42
people still linking IdrA to the terran profile TT
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 08 2012 00:22 GMT
#43
On March 08 2012 08:46 TemujinGK wrote:
people still linking IdrA to the terran profile TT


Oh I didn't notice that. I just TLPD-ized IdrA.
I can't seem to TLPD-ize him correctly. Will update the OP if you could help me find the right profile. Thanks!
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 08 2012 00:41 GMT
#44
I swear I keep reading it as "kennigit stalks eSports" and then envision kennigit stalking elly.
Nice interview though, I liked it.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
FuRRyChoBo
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States218 Posts
March 08 2012 00:47 GMT
#45
respect for savior mention. +1
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 08 2012 01:04 GMT
#46
On March 08 2012 08:46 TemujinGK wrote:
people still linking IdrA to the terran profile TT


Found it. The OP is now updated with the correct TLPD information.

On March 08 2012 09:41 hunts wrote:
I swear I keep reading it as "kennigit stalks eSports" and then envision kennigit stalking elly.
Nice interview though, I liked it.


Don't scare me like this. Thought I had a typo in the title.
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BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 04:04:38
March 08 2012 04:03 GMT
#47
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying sponsorship isn't the way to go. BW has lasted over a decade on sponsorships, even if it's having some trouble right now. If 10+ years isn't "sustainable" I want to know what kind of time frame these people are talking about.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 08 2012 14:33 GMT
#48
I added a download link to the OP for the people who want to listen to the .mp3. I know a lot of people are commuting or can't watch videos at work.
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GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
March 08 2012 17:45 GMT
#49
Really cool interview
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
March 08 2012 17:47 GMT
#50
“Player salaries aren't public […] the reason for that, honestly, […] is because teams and organizations can't brag about them yet...”

I'd have to say that's not the main reason, but ok.
ZisforZerg
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States224 Posts
March 08 2012 17:58 GMT
#51
booshboosh kennigit likeabaws
"I'm too drunk, to taste that chicken."
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 08 2012 19:09 GMT
#52
On March 09 2012 02:47 k1mjee wrote:
“Player salaries aren't public […] the reason for that, honestly, […] is because teams and organizations can't brag about them yet...”

I'd have to say that's not the main reason, but ok.


Jump to the part in the video or mp3 to hear the full response. This is just an excerpt. The context will add more depth.
What's the main reason in your opinion?
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 09 2012 15:53 GMT
#53
PuMa just shattered Kennigit's IEM predictions.
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