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On February 27 2012 17:42 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 17:37 Primadog wrote:On February 27 2012 17:33 rod- wrote:On February 27 2012 17:21 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 17:18 rod- wrote:
I payed, but didn't watch a lot of games, only on Sunday when I was at a barcraft.
It was to much sc2 for me this weekend, and on top of that it was all star weekend for the NBA.
I liked the games and production tho, will pay again. Also, the part about people under 18 years not having the money to pay, don't they work anymore? I don't know how much 20$ is for people in different country's, but Scandinavian people should have the money for it, regardless of age. 20 is like a big mac menu at mc. ?! A Big Mac is $20??? Not 100% sure, but something like that, maybe 17-18. Where in the world did you live? http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/01/daily-chart-3 I live in Switzerland, and I got to agree, everytime I got eat something at mcdonald's I end up having to pay 20CHF (roughly 20$) for a big mac meal, and 2 cheeseburgers. Then I cross the boundary (15 minutes away) and I get the same thing for literally half the price (8€ something) in France.
Yeah, I was talking about a menu/meal or what you call it, with fries and something to drink. Not sure about that link, tho I don't eat at mcdonalds that much, but I bought a milkshake from mc last week, and I payed around 4$, so I think a big mac would be a little bit higher than 6. Not sure tho, and sorry for going off topic, wasn't my plan.
Btw, how many arena's can we expect this year? Have mlg said something about that?
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On February 27 2012 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
Lol @ the people who think MLG is necessary for esports.
Btw, that double elimination only stuff is so unfair that this MLG has NO meaning whatsoever.
Double elim is necessary I feel if there's no pool play....
Extended series is what's dumb^^
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On February 27 2012 17:32 MaestroSC wrote:
No way I am ever living in Scandinavia... at my old job... it woujld take me 3 hours of work (after they take out taxes) just to pay for my lunch... If i ate lunch every day of the week i would only be getting paid for like... 3 hours of an 8 hour workday... what is minimum wage in Scandinavia?
In Norway the minimum wage for people over 18 is around 22-23 dollars I think.
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Didn't pay, watched a few matches Saturday night on official Twitch channel for free (Grubby v ThorZaiN and HuK v Ret), and watched a couple of games on Sunday using a restream.
Even though there is a lot of content I wouldn't quickly drop $20 for a 1 weekend event. I can easily afford it that's really not the issue (some people here act like they will die of starvation if they spend the $20 which honestly is ridiculous and they know it) and I actually pay for a lot of events (bought every GSL, HomeStory Cups, NASL1&2, etc...) but the $20 just didn't feel like a fair price for the Winter Arena event.
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On February 27 2012 16:19 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:48 DoomBacon wrote:On February 27 2012 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:26 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:09 mvtaylor wrote:On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
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Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males. SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 My point was that the product itself does not cater to young men specifically. Young men is the majority of viewers (allthough your argument fall apart when you consider the vast ammount of teen guys that can't pay for PPV) but there is nothing in the actual game that is repellant to women (except maybe booth girls but they aren't abundant). UFC is based on fighting (something that almost only men enjoy watching) and they have such things as bikini babes as part of the entertainment. They have simply conceeded any oppurtunity to grow a female market. Sc2 may not be played by a lot of women but look into a crowd at MLG and I'll wager you'll see atleast 10% women which is good if you consider the enourmous skew of male to female players in the game. What I'm saying is that UFC targets a very specific type of people to buy their product. The sc2 scene is trying to grow and diversify and that also encompasses bringing in more women etc. If they were to add booth babes to every tournament most people would consider that a bad buissness move since they are alienating an untapped potential female fanbase (which has been proven to exist in brood war by the way). Why is it that the same type of limiting of the scene that removes any potential viewership from the lower socio economic buyer is percieved as a non-problem? Lastly TL does not represent the entirety of people that follow MLG or other sc2 events. Most casual viewers do not hang here at all and I would assume many of those are women. Maybe in Sweden, but not at ALL in the United States. In the states, in general, woman are VERY turned off by video games. And the specific games they are turned off by? World of Warcraft and Starcraft. Arguably the two biggest antifemale games out there (to the majority, I do realize there are a decent # of woman WoW gamers). When girls think of "nerds" they think of WoW and SC, from my personal experience at least. I can't imagine women EVER making up a decent viewer base for SC2. Hell, they don't make a decent viewerbase for the majority of sports on TV (unless they're sitting with a male), why would SC2 be more likely? Point is, SC2 is not marketable imo to females whatsoever, and it's futile to even try. About 30% of the crowd at the barcraft I went to was female. Yep they couldn't STAND being around NERDs and watching NERD games being played by NERDs. I don't know what kind of community you live in but it's not uncommon for women so be gamers... Where is it common for women to be gamers? Because it's damn sure not here on TL.net. Nor is it anywhere I've been. Went to high school in a place predominately white/wealthy, and now go to college in one of the most Asian universities out there (UCI). Neither has any substantial gaming population. Neither has girls significantly into gaming, from what I've seen at the clubs/facebook groups/barcrafts/MLG Anaheim attended. Would anyone here actually bring up Starcraft if hitting on a woman at a bar, or bring it up on a first date? Guys will generally brag about being on the men's swimming team, but I've never once in my life heard of a guy bragging to a girl he just met about being super good at Starcraft. An exception might be a progamer. But if you're just "really good" aka high masters/GM status but nothing more, please, even I'd personally laugh at a guy doing that. Well, that's the kind of community I live in. Not sure where the hell you are. Your seemingly random capitalization of the word "nerds" is also retarded. Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:48 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:26 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:09 mvtaylor wrote:On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
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Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males. SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 My point was that the product itself does not cater to young men specifically. Young men is the majority of viewers (allthough your argument fall apart when you consider the vast ammount of teen guys that can't pay for PPV) but there is nothing in the actual game that is repellant to women (except maybe booth girls but they aren't abundant). UFC is based on fighting (something that almost only men enjoy watching) and they have such things as bikini babes as part of the entertainment. They have simply conceeded any oppurtunity to grow a female market. Sc2 may not be played by a lot of women but look into a crowd at MLG and I'll wager you'll see atleast 10% women which is good if you consider the enourmous skew of male to female players in the game. What I'm saying is that UFC targets a very specific type of people to buy their product. The sc2 scene is trying to grow and diversify and that also encompasses bringing in more women etc. If they were to add booth babes to every tournament most people would consider that a bad buissness move since they are alienating an untapped potential female fanbase (which has been proven to exist in brood war by the way). Why is it that the same type of limiting of the scene that removes any potential viewership from the lower socio economic buyer is percieved as a non-problem? Lastly TL does not represent the entirety of people that follow MLG or other sc2 events. Most casual viewers do not hang here at all and I would assume many of those are women. Maybe in Sweden, but not at ALL in the United States. In the states, in general, woman are VERY turned off by video games. And the specific games they are turned off by? World of Warcraft and Starcraft. Arguably the two biggest antifemale games out there (to the majority, I do realize there are a decent # of woman WoW gamers). When girls think of "nerds" they think of WoW and SC, from my personal experience at least. I can't imagine women EVER making up a decent viewer base for SC2. Hell, they don't make a decent viewerbase for the majority of sports on TV (unless they're sitting with a male), why would SC2 be more likely? Point is, SC2 is not marketable imo to females whatsoever, and it's futile to even try. Did you ever stop to think that you surround yourselves with or trying to appeal to shallow women? I know a bunch of girls that has shown interest in gaming and sc2 has done a better job than most of bringing that to light. The reason why women don't watch UFC is because it caters to the baser instincts of men only. The reason why not many women like gaming is because they labeled it as nerdy. There is nothing in the content itself that dissuades women from watching. Unless you mean to argue that competition itself is unattractive to women? Women generally are shallow yes. Pity is, I am too to an extent. Who doesn't want a pretty woman? Of course, looks aren't everything. But they're something. At local gaming communities, generally only the really trollish ones actually show up and play T_T. And even then, it's an absolute minimal amount. And no, my standards aren't super high by any means....  . Regardless, besides saying that in general, competition DOES seem less attractive to women than men, we've had years upon years to witness that women are not into video games NOR generally that interested in Sci Fi/Fantasy, at least when compared to their male counterparts. If by some means we were going to introduce gaming to women, it sure as hell shouldn't be through a super complex, intricate game like SC2 that involves tons of different units, tons of different maps, and a game based on friggin' war and killing the other side. If you could ask me, you'd have to introduce girls to gaming through games like Zelda or Oblivion, but what do I know, by ex gf only played The Sims... sparingly. Appreciate your honesty. And yes, you live in one of the most vapid, shallow, MLM scam generating, highest per capita plastic surgeon relocating, BMW driving counties in the country. Image is everything in the OC they even have shows about it so I'm not surprised intellectual pursuits are generally kept on the down low. Outside of that bubble, people are more real. Look at incs or torches girl. Not saying it's popular to be a nerd but it not an auto eject button either.
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i was watching without paying, but i still dont understand how this was possible. i just turned on the stream and it worked the whole time.
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never paid :D
i just dont have any means of using e-money atm, that's the only reason. for me its still relatively inconvenient since i lack a full-functional debit card.
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what is the point of watching when you invite koreans to smash foreigners? in my own opinion it has nothing to do with paying or not i just find all foreign tournaments boring.. We can watch koreans crushing face in GSL why invite them over to our comps so they can easily win every time take the top spots its just not worth watching wow a cpl of upsets happen in the lower rounds but its always going to be a korean crushing the face of aonther korean in the final. i would love to see an all foreign comp i believe it would be alot more competetive. And good work MLG for trying the ppv format i wish them the best.
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On February 27 2012 10:28 BoomNasty wrote:
Anyone who did the work around does not want e-sports to progress
anyone who paid 20$ for the event wants to show those guys, that they can take any price they want and contribtes to further tournaments being equally expensive.
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I had watched that show where Sundance would go on forever about the production quality.
Lol this was joke.
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I managed to watch one stream on Saturday for one game before it also asked me to subscribe. I must admit I also looked for restreams on twitch, ustream and own3d but could not find any.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
MLG schedule is terrible for me and the rest of Asia, so I have never really bothered with it (though I do check results). With the strict, one-way pricing there is no way MLG will get much viewership from Asia. Maybe if they had some other pricing scheme that offers more value for people like me, who can only watch a minority of the games, I'd actually buy a ticket. That's why I find GSL more valuable: since games are spread out and I'm more likely to be able to watch enough games to make the price worth it.
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Only if starcraft 2 pros were kpop girls in bikini, in booths showering water on them, and mc dancing on stage the whole time in the murlock suit.
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For a majority of the weekend I thought that only the main (C) stream was PPV, as I could watch all the other four(?) streams without paying and without any sort of workaround. When I realized it was only a mistake I was already hooked.
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On February 27 2012 17:50 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
Lol @ the people who think MLG is necessary for esports.
Btw, that double elimination only stuff is so unfair that this MLG has NO meaning whatsoever. Double elim is necessary I feel if there's no pool play.... Extended series is what's dumb^^
gsl has no pool play that auto's you into code S, they have qualifiers but that's it.
I think MLG would be a lot better off if there was no lower bracket but had more bo5's and bo7's
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I paid for the weekend and I watched most of the matches. It was pretty good quality the first 2 days. The last day, it got rather laggy at anything above 480p, which was disappointing.
Regarding freeloaders: It was pretty obvious in advance that there would be a number of people restreaming and a ton of people watching those restreams. That the paywall would be this terrible wasn't expected though. Nevertheless, I expected people to leech the content, so that didn't bother me. What did annoy me greatly was those people coming in to pretty much every thread proclaiming how smart they were to watch for free and how dumb people that paid were.
I pirate stuff regularly either out of laziness or cheapness, so I'm not taking any moral highground. But I'm not gonna run around screaming "herp derp I'm so smart to pirate this and people who actually pay are so dumb."
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Russian Federation117 Posts
I personally used the workaround with "chrome incognito" mode. Somebody on teamliquid bnet channel told me that workaround so I tried it out and it worked no problem.
I feel bad for people who actually paid 20$ and had the exact same experience as I did while I paid 0$.
On a side note, if a pass would've been only 10$ I wouldn't even try looking for any workarounds, I'd simply pay the price and watch the tournament.
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I paid because I hate having to deal with the hassle of finding restreams or working the system somehow, you always have to be active, I just wanted to sit back and enjoy ...
Well, that didn't work out lol. Between constant lagspikes, having to reload, having to sign in over and over and a terrible VOD system with videos missing, being cut off, no proper rebroadcast, ... I never see myself paying for that kind of offer again.
20$ isn't that much money, but compared to the free competition there wasn't really any value added to it, I expected a smooth experience without hick ups and got "just another" tournament. ^.^
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where is the "watched the free hour and dr pepper stream" option
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EPT
