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On February 27 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 16:19 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:48 DoomBacon wrote:On February 27 2012 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:26 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:09 mvtaylor wrote:On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:
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Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there.
If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males. SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 My point was that the product itself does not cater to young men specifically. Young men is the majority of viewers (allthough your argument fall apart when you consider the vast ammount of teen guys that can't pay for PPV) but there is nothing in the actual game that is repellant to women (except maybe booth girls but they aren't abundant). UFC is based on fighting (something that almost only men enjoy watching) and they have such things as bikini babes as part of the entertainment. They have simply conceeded any oppurtunity to grow a female market. Sc2 may not be played by a lot of women but look into a crowd at MLG and I'll wager you'll see atleast 10% women which is good if you consider the enourmous skew of male to female players in the game. What I'm saying is that UFC targets a very specific type of people to buy their product. The sc2 scene is trying to grow and diversify and that also encompasses bringing in more women etc. If they were to add booth babes to every tournament most people would consider that a bad buissness move since they are alienating an untapped potential female fanbase (which has been proven to exist in brood war by the way). Why is it that the same type of limiting of the scene that removes any potential viewership from the lower socio economic buyer is percieved as a non-problem? Lastly TL does not represent the entirety of people that follow MLG or other sc2 events. Most casual viewers do not hang here at all and I would assume many of those are women. Maybe in Sweden, but not at ALL in the United States. In the states, in general, woman are VERY turned off by video games. And the specific games they are turned off by? World of Warcraft and Starcraft. Arguably the two biggest antifemale games out there (to the majority, I do realize there are a decent # of woman WoW gamers). When girls think of "nerds" they think of WoW and SC, from my personal experience at least. I can't imagine women EVER making up a decent viewer base for SC2. Hell, they don't make a decent viewerbase for the majority of sports on TV (unless they're sitting with a male), why would SC2 be more likely? Point is, SC2 is not marketable imo to females whatsoever, and it's futile to even try. About 30% of the crowd at the barcraft I went to was female. Yep they couldn't STAND being around NERDs and watching NERD games being played by NERDs. I don't know what kind of community you live in but it's not uncommon for women so be gamers... Where is it common for women to be gamers? Because it's damn sure not here on TL.net. Nor is it anywhere I've been. Went to high school in a place predominately white/wealthy, and now go to college in one of the most Asian universities out there (UCI). Neither has any substantial gaming population. Neither has girls significantly into gaming, from what I've seen at the clubs/facebook groups/barcrafts/MLG Anaheim attended. Would anyone here actually bring up Starcraft if hitting on a woman at a bar, or bring it up on a first date? Guys will generally brag about being on the men's swimming team, but I've never once in my life heard of a guy bragging to a girl he just met about being super good at Starcraft. An exception might be a progamer. But if you're just "really good" aka high masters/GM status but nothing more, please, even I'd personally laugh at a guy doing that. Well, that's the kind of community I live in. Not sure where the hell you are. Your seemingly random capitalization of the word "nerds" is also retarded. If I'm just really good at basketball (ie not on a team of some sorts) I'm not bringing it up when i'm hitting on chicks. "Oh yeah, I'm the third highest scorer on my YMCA basketball team" isn't working with the ladies any more than "I'm a masters sc2 player"
You kidding? You wouldn't bring up if you were on varsity basketball if in high school, or on the basketball team at your college? Or at least mention you play a lot in your free time? Those are the first things I go to.... for me swimming and ice hockey.
EDIT: Read over that way too fast, didn't see the "not on a team part." But I equate being on a high school team to being in masters, so w/e. Even if not, swimming club, etc. Fuck, you can be pretty damn bad at a sport and still be on the team, just like in SC2 you can be pretty damn bad... and be on a team. My bad though for not reading that over.
But you wouldn't even say "I'm the third high scorer on my YMCA basketball team" you'd say "I play basketball on a club team" wouldn't you?
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On February 27 2012 16:27 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:39 Frankon wrote:On February 27 2012 15:33 xrapture wrote:On February 27 2012 15:32 Frankon wrote:On February 27 2012 15:21 darkscream wrote:
Meh, anyone who went to a barcraft can't talk shit about restreams. You spent your $20 getting drunk instead of paying for the game, so did I. You watched with about 50 people in a private venue, so did I. Someone paid for the video you watched, and someone paid for the video I watched. The only restream I could find that had 1000 people or more, was full commentary in russian. All the pure english restreams were ~100 or less, just like a barcraft would be.
So many people butthurt about esports, but honestly, Its not like those are lost sales - those are people who would never have bought it. A lot of people forget that a large portion of sc2 fans are people with maybe $20 leisure money for a week (that includes fast food, booze, movies, other SC2 leagues, etc).
Good on the people who paid, I hope the event financially was a success. You have failed in looking. One re-stream topped at 4.5k viewers. Still. I feel bad for people who paid for this arena. It looks like they get shafted like the gold members. MLG failed to deliver stable stream for the finals of day 3 (i know its twitch fault) and even couldn't secure the tight pay-wall. Not to mention that it failed at taking down re-streams. Streams from western Europe are impossible to take down. Nope. the .tv domain is managed by American company (although it belongs to Tuval) and can be taken down by MLG. Have you heard about operation "Operation Fake Sweep" during super-bowl when US goverment shut down the internet re-streamers by seizing their domains (possible to the fact that Tuval goverment employed a US based company to manage their country domain). MLG just didn't try (or care) what about a particular .ru site that had over 4000 viewers?
It was streaming in russian (technically) so i didn't count it. There was one re-stream pure english avaliable from day 1 and MLG could have taken it down if they wanted.
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You have to admit these threads are hilarious from a spectator point of view so many classic examples of personality disorder, its just like looking outside your window.
"The serial pirate" - immature, no real life experience, not many responsibilties, self entitlement, believes in being better than the state, works a dead-end job or has no job (supported by state/friends/parents) but feels that it is not their fault and blames "society" for his/her predicament. Probably doesn't vote or take part in the community which they are part of. Slight narcissim and anonymity of the internet allows him/herself to feel proud of wrong actions with no sense of consequence.
"The narcissist forum user" - being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This person reacts with anger to any sort of criticism, will exaggerate, requires constant attention and has unrealistic fantasies of gradure and self worth.
"The attention seeker" - There sole purpose is to enjoy the attention of others whether negative or positive. They will distort, feign and generally falsify comments to provide the most attention which fills in for lack of self esteem or pathological traits.
You then have varying levels of intelligence, education, personal motive and agenda. Also the dilution of right and wrong brought about by a culture who has anonymity at their finger tips.
Cultural differences, ignorance, morality shifts and personality groupings. Fun stuff.
oh MLG was cool *staying on topic*
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I just went to the stream URL, no tricks or workarounds, and there it was, so I could watch it all for free. Then why pay?
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On February 27 2012 16:05 Ampster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:20 Alasper wrote:On February 27 2012 10:31 Detrimentally wrote:On February 27 2012 10:29 Almonjin wrote:On February 27 2012 10:26 Detrimentally wrote:
Fuck all of the people that worked around the paywall. You're a corporate shill, and its you that is killing esports by swallowing an inferior product and paying for it. If by inferior product you are referring to the tournament that set the bar for production, then yes. Minus a few minor glitches lasting no more than 10 minutes over 80 hours of content, MLG > GSL > DreamHack > IPL > NASL. MLG>GSL? Good joke. More like GSL>DH>MLG>IPL. •Stream wise: DH>GSL>IPL>NASL>MLG •Production wise (gimmicks, fillers, etc): GSL/MLG>DH>IPL>NASL •Content wise (Player pools, Quality of games, etc): GSL>MLG>IPL/DH/NASL; IMO, this MLG is the second most stacked foreign tournament in terms of players lineup skill wise (first goes to Providence), plus we have the storyline of Foreigner vs Korean.
The MLG stream this weekend was at a flawless 1080p for me. It's easily better than the NASL and even the GSL gom player. The IPL stream was down for most of the day during IPL3 so you can't judge it based on that.
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I didn't pay nor did I watch anything and I'm absolutely fine with it. I completly missed whole MLG and I feel I didn't miss a thing. I will never every pay 20 bucks for anything similar..
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Wow, seeing how many people "stole" this stream really burst the bubble of the sc2 community being "awesome" and "the best". Quite sad really. Btw, I neither payed nor watched.
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i got a chance to watch some of MLG winter arena at my friend's place on saturday and then for championship sunday I watched at the RVA Barcraft. in regards to all the discussion about gender,. female gamers and esports, i'd like to mention that the barcraft i attended was largely put together by a female gamer.
i thought the production was great, and so were the interviews-- that was definitely something that when compared next to the Assembly tournament, really made the MLG production stand out
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On February 27 2012 16:46 fenrysk wrote:
i got a chance to watch some of MLG winter arena at my friend's place on saturday and then for championship sunday I watched at the RVA Barcraft. in regards to all the discussion about gender,. female gamers and esports, i'd like to mention that the barcraft i attended was largely put together by a female gamer.
i thought the production was great, and so were the interviews-- that was definitely something that when compared next to the Assembly tournament, really made the MLG production stand out
Just putting it in there, I'm not against female gamers by any means, the idea of it would be awesome. I'm just very pessimistic about it actually happening, and think that the focus should not be there at all, as to me, it seems like a wasted effort. If they come, awesome, I just don't see it happening.
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On February 27 2012 16:45 budar wrote:
Wow, seeing how many people "stole" this stream really burst the bubble of the sc2 community being "awesome" and "the best". Quite sad really. Btw, I neither payed nor watched.
You are clearly naive as you think of this comunity as "awesome" group of people that like each other and will gladly pay for anything without going around or at least trying..
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26% of people actually paid for Winter Arena, which probably far exceeds MLG's predictions (I heard that their estimate was 11% on LO3). If this event is really a success, I expect MLG to host more of such PPV events, maybe with some changes to its price point.
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On February 27 2012 16:33 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 16:19 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:48 DoomBacon wrote:On February 27 2012 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:26 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:09 mvtaylor wrote:On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
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If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males. SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 My point was that the product itself does not cater to young men specifically. Young men is the majority of viewers (allthough your argument fall apart when you consider the vast ammount of teen guys that can't pay for PPV) but there is nothing in the actual game that is repellant to women (except maybe booth girls but they aren't abundant). UFC is based on fighting (something that almost only men enjoy watching) and they have such things as bikini babes as part of the entertainment. They have simply conceeded any oppurtunity to grow a female market. Sc2 may not be played by a lot of women but look into a crowd at MLG and I'll wager you'll see atleast 10% women which is good if you consider the enourmous skew of male to female players in the game. What I'm saying is that UFC targets a very specific type of people to buy their product. The sc2 scene is trying to grow and diversify and that also encompasses bringing in more women etc. If they were to add booth babes to every tournament most people would consider that a bad buissness move since they are alienating an untapped potential female fanbase (which has been proven to exist in brood war by the way). Why is it that the same type of limiting of the scene that removes any potential viewership from the lower socio economic buyer is percieved as a non-problem? Lastly TL does not represent the entirety of people that follow MLG or other sc2 events. Most casual viewers do not hang here at all and I would assume many of those are women. Maybe in Sweden, but not at ALL in the United States. In the states, in general, woman are VERY turned off by video games. And the specific games they are turned off by? World of Warcraft and Starcraft. Arguably the two biggest antifemale games out there (to the majority, I do realize there are a decent # of woman WoW gamers). When girls think of "nerds" they think of WoW and SC, from my personal experience at least. I can't imagine women EVER making up a decent viewer base for SC2. Hell, they don't make a decent viewerbase for the majority of sports on TV (unless they're sitting with a male), why would SC2 be more likely? Point is, SC2 is not marketable imo to females whatsoever, and it's futile to even try. About 30% of the crowd at the barcraft I went to was female. Yep they couldn't STAND being around NERDs and watching NERD games being played by NERDs. I don't know what kind of community you live in but it's not uncommon for women so be gamers... Where is it common for women to be gamers? Because it's damn sure not here on TL.net. Nor is it anywhere I've been. Went to high school in a place predominately white/wealthy, and now go to college in one of the most Asian universities out there (UCI). Neither has any substantial gaming population. Neither has girls significantly into gaming, from what I've seen at the clubs/facebook groups/barcrafts/MLG Anaheim attended. Would anyone here actually bring up Starcraft if hitting on a woman at a bar, or bring it up on a first date? Guys will generally brag about being on the men's swimming team, but I've never once in my life heard of a guy bragging to a girl he just met about being super good at Starcraft. An exception might be a progamer. But if you're just "really good" aka high masters/GM status but nothing more, please, even I'd personally laugh at a guy doing that. Well, that's the kind of community I live in. Not sure where the hell you are. Your seemingly random capitalization of the word "nerds" is also retarded. If I'm just really good at basketball (ie not on a team of some sorts) I'm not bringing it up when i'm hitting on chicks. "Oh yeah, I'm the third highest scorer on my YMCA basketball team" isn't working with the ladies any more than "I'm a masters sc2 player" You kidding? You wouldn't bring up if you were on varsity basketball if in high school, or on the basketball team at your college? Or at least mention you play a lot in your free time? Those are the first things I go to.... for me swimming and ice hockey. EDIT: Read over that way too fast, didn't see the "not on a team part." But I equate being on a high school team to being in masters, so w/e. Even if not, swimming club, etc. Fuck, you can be pretty damn bad at a sport and still be on the team, just like in SC2 you can be pretty damn bad... and be on a team. My bad though for not reading that over. But you wouldn't even say "I'm the third high scorer on my YMCA basketball team" you'd say "I play basketball on a club team" wouldn't you?
To start, high school isn't what i was even thinking. High school just isn't the real dating scene. And to me if you are on a college basketball team the comparison to that would be you being on a sc2 team.
And saying "I play basketball on a club team" are you really hitting on a girl by saying that? Seems more like you are just mentioning it in conversation. Its certainly not going to get you anywhere with the ladies.
And I don't think saying "I play StarCraft II in my free time" or "I'm part of a sc2 clan" (an amateur one) is really detrimental. Every guy I know plays video games and every girl knows guys like video games.
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On February 27 2012 16:49 Everlong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 16:45 budar wrote:
Wow, seeing how many people "stole" this stream really burst the bubble of the sc2 community being "awesome" and "the best". Quite sad really. Btw, I neither payed nor watched. You are clearly naive as you think of this comunity as "awesome" group of people that like each other and will gladly pay for anything without going around or at least trying..
No, I'm not naive at all (I also play ladder where you can see that the sc2 community is not great by any stretch of the imagination, day in and day out). However, a lot of other people seem to be living in this pipe dream of an awesome community. If you pretend to support sc2 eSports and then go out and "steal" a stream like this... well, that's just lame, no other way to describe it.
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Supposed to be doing homework, but felt like chiming in.
I dont understand how some people can say that the people who did the work-around are so bad, when you have barcrafts...
In a barcraft 1 person pays $20. And 20-100+ (i dont know just throwing in a number here) watch it for free.
what is the difference in watching a restream/workaround and watching in a barcraft? In both, MLG is being cheated of actual viewer counts and the actual money that each of those spectators should have paid...
It just doesnt make sense to me.... It is bad to steal at home, but its ok to steal in a public place with a bunch of other people?
If you go to a barcraft and dont send MLG a $20 payment for the content you watched, then how can u complain about people who cheated the system, just like you did?
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On February 27 2012 16:56 budar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 16:49 Everlong wrote:On February 27 2012 16:45 budar wrote:
Wow, seeing how many people "stole" this stream really burst the bubble of the sc2 community being "awesome" and "the best". Quite sad really. Btw, I neither payed nor watched. You are clearly naive as you think of this comunity as "awesome" group of people that like each other and will gladly pay for anything without going around or at least trying.. No, I'm not naive at all (I also play ladder where you can see that the sc2 community is not great by any stretch of the imagination, day in and day out). However, a lot of other people seem to be living in this pipe dream of an awesome community. If you pretend to support sc2 eSports and then go out and "steal" a stream like this... well, that's just lame, no other way to describe it.
Seems about right..
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On February 27 2012 16:54 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 16:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 16:19 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:48 DoomBacon wrote:On February 27 2012 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 27 2012 15:26 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:09 mvtaylor wrote:On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:
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As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit.
You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males. SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 My point was that the product itself does not cater to young men specifically. Young men is the majority of viewers (allthough your argument fall apart when you consider the vast ammount of teen guys that can't pay for PPV) but there is nothing in the actual game that is repellant to women (except maybe booth girls but they aren't abundant). UFC is based on fighting (something that almost only men enjoy watching) and they have such things as bikini babes as part of the entertainment. They have simply conceeded any oppurtunity to grow a female market. Sc2 may not be played by a lot of women but look into a crowd at MLG and I'll wager you'll see atleast 10% women which is good if you consider the enourmous skew of male to female players in the game. What I'm saying is that UFC targets a very specific type of people to buy their product. The sc2 scene is trying to grow and diversify and that also encompasses bringing in more women etc. If they were to add booth babes to every tournament most people would consider that a bad buissness move since they are alienating an untapped potential female fanbase (which has been proven to exist in brood war by the way). Why is it that the same type of limiting of the scene that removes any potential viewership from the lower socio economic buyer is percieved as a non-problem? Lastly TL does not represent the entirety of people that follow MLG or other sc2 events. Most casual viewers do not hang here at all and I would assume many of those are women. Maybe in Sweden, but not at ALL in the United States. In the states, in general, woman are VERY turned off by video games. And the specific games they are turned off by? World of Warcraft and Starcraft. Arguably the two biggest antifemale games out there (to the majority, I do realize there are a decent # of woman WoW gamers). When girls think of "nerds" they think of WoW and SC, from my personal experience at least. I can't imagine women EVER making up a decent viewer base for SC2. Hell, they don't make a decent viewerbase for the majority of sports on TV (unless they're sitting with a male), why would SC2 be more likely? Point is, SC2 is not marketable imo to females whatsoever, and it's futile to even try. About 30% of the crowd at the barcraft I went to was female. Yep they couldn't STAND being around NERDs and watching NERD games being played by NERDs. I don't know what kind of community you live in but it's not uncommon for women so be gamers... Where is it common for women to be gamers? Because it's damn sure not here on TL.net. Nor is it anywhere I've been. Went to high school in a place predominately white/wealthy, and now go to college in one of the most Asian universities out there (UCI). Neither has any substantial gaming population. Neither has girls significantly into gaming, from what I've seen at the clubs/facebook groups/barcrafts/MLG Anaheim attended. Would anyone here actually bring up Starcraft if hitting on a woman at a bar, or bring it up on a first date? Guys will generally brag about being on the men's swimming team, but I've never once in my life heard of a guy bragging to a girl he just met about being super good at Starcraft. An exception might be a progamer. But if you're just "really good" aka high masters/GM status but nothing more, please, even I'd personally laugh at a guy doing that. Well, that's the kind of community I live in. Not sure where the hell you are. Your seemingly random capitalization of the word "nerds" is also retarded. If I'm just really good at basketball (ie not on a team of some sorts) I'm not bringing it up when i'm hitting on chicks. "Oh yeah, I'm the third highest scorer on my YMCA basketball team" isn't working with the ladies any more than "I'm a masters sc2 player" You kidding? You wouldn't bring up if you were on varsity basketball if in high school, or on the basketball team at your college? Or at least mention you play a lot in your free time? Those are the first things I go to.... for me swimming and ice hockey. EDIT: Read over that way too fast, didn't see the "not on a team part." But I equate being on a high school team to being in masters, so w/e. Even if not, swimming club, etc. Fuck, you can be pretty damn bad at a sport and still be on the team, just like in SC2 you can be pretty damn bad... and be on a team. My bad though for not reading that over. But you wouldn't even say "I'm the third high scorer on my YMCA basketball team" you'd say "I play basketball on a club team" wouldn't you? To start, high school isn't what i was even thinking. High school just isn't the real dating scene. And to me if you are on a college basketball team the comparison to that would be you being on a sc2 team. And saying "I play basketball on a club team" are you really hitting on a girl by saying that? Seems more like you are just mentioning it in conversation. Its certainly not going to get you anywhere with the ladies. And I don't think saying "I play StarCraft II in my free time" or "I'm part of a sc2 clan" (an amateur one) is really detrimental. Every guy I know plays video games and every girl knows guys like video games.
Well basketball is a bit different I guess, I keep having swimming in mind where you honestly even in college don't have to be THAT great to be on the team, unless maybe at a really good school.
I simply used high school as an example because I feel there are probably a lot of guys in that age demographic... I agree it's a completely different dating scene, but it still exists. I didn't date too much in high school so I'm not really too sure, but it felt like everyone else was constantly^.
And I just meant mentioning during a date. Like bringing up your hobbies. I really, honestly think that if a girl asks you your hobbies and you mention "I like playing Starcraft and am even part of a clan" that it is fairly detrimental. For some reason, there's a huge difference between Starcraft, and games like Madden, Forza, or CoD.
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Didnt Pay, Didnt watch
I watched ASUS ROG, because the times were better for me in germany, also it was for free.
After all if I would have to pay 20$ for a weekend I want to watch it live, but this is basicly impossible with a GF, work, and the different timezones, therefore I'd never pay 20$ for a weekend... no matter how good the tournament is (also I am sad, because it looked highlevel in production and players)
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Watched ASUS ROG because it was free and the timezones were MUCH MUCH better for me ( getting to see the finals live instead of having to wait and go read TL unspoilered the next day to get to the VODS.
Had no incitive to pay for MLG due to the ASUS tournament, but I wouldn't watch a restream or a work around if it was just PPV -_- . I love free stuff but I could atleast watch the ads if I look at a tournament to make up for that little renevue. Don't pay don't watch in my opinion.
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On February 27 2012 17:03 ch4ppi wrote:
Didnt Pay, Didnt watch
I watched ASUS ROG, because the times were better for me in germany, also it was for free.
After all if I would have to pay 20$ for a weekend I want to watch it live, but this is basicly impossible with a GF, work, and the different timezones, therefore I'd never pay 20$ for a weekend... no matter how good the tournament is (also I am sad, because it looked highlevel in production and players)
exact same for me. When im at work at 7am all weekend, im not gonna pay cos ill end up missing most of the games ny going to bed early to get up on time, or id stay up to watch them but have a crap sleep.
I stil watched restreams, but not much. tbh ill NEVER pay for an mlg tournament, no matter how stacked it is and how good the casters/production is, not after it was free for so long, its not something im gonna pay to see
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I payed, but didn't watch a lot of games, only on Sunday when I was at a barcraft.
It was to much sc2 for me this weekend, and on top of that it was all star weekend for the NBA.
I liked the games and production tho, will pay again. Also, the part about people under 18 years not having the money to pay, don't they work anymore? I don't know how much 20$ is for people in different country's, but Scandinavian people should have the money for it, regardless of age. 20 is like a big mac menu at mc.
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