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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
February 27 2012 09:19 GMT
#661
MLG Schedule is kinda terrible for Europe also, I wanted to watch, but I aint paying 20$ to watch like 30-50% of the games.

If I was able to watch all games without staying up all night I prolly would have bought it. Cant stay up all night when kids wake up at 6-7 QQ.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
February 27 2012 09:23 GMT
#662
What this convinced me of most of all is that you can dress a starcraft 2 game up with as much window dressing as you want between games, but that is valueless - what matters is the actual ingame segment of the broadcast - who the players are and how intense the games are.

In this sense there was nothing superior from previous MLGs or any major tournament with Korean/Foreigners attending.

TL;DR - Production quality doesnt matter at all, only game quality.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
February 27 2012 09:24 GMT
#663
Didn't pay or watch. I would feel dirty paying $15 just to watch a fraction of the matches, but I would feel even dirtier watching them for free when everyone else has to pay.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 27 2012 09:25 GMT
#664
On February 27 2012 18:23 resilve wrote:
What this convinced me of most of all is that you can dress a starcraft 2 game up with as much window dressing as you want between games, but that is valueless - what matters is the actual ingame segment of the broadcast - who the players are and how intense the games are.

In this sense there was nothing superior from previous MLGs or any major tournament with Korean/Foreigners attending.

TL;DR - Production quality doesnt matter at all, only game quality.

thats just not true at all
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Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
February 27 2012 09:33 GMT
#665
If I could have watched the vods PPV now, I would be happy to pay 5$ to watch Naniwa vs NesTea/Leenock. But paying 20 bucks for the only two games that I find interesting is just a bit much.

The live event I could watch for free just by going to the live site, so I ended up watching 3-4 games for free this weekend. The rest of the live event I was sleeping.
I am not young enough to know everything.
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
February 27 2012 09:38 GMT
#666
I didn't play this time I admit, I used private mode. However, I will say that I will be paying next time. The main reason I did not pay was because it was very hard to tell if it was going to be worth it. But it was.
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SljnX
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany103 Posts
February 27 2012 09:39 GMT
#667
i didn't buy the 20$ pass, just because i don't want to spend the whole weekend just watching starcraft to know the 20$ are worth it.
i watched about 3h the whole weekend, never 20$ worth it ..sorry
GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
February 27 2012 09:40 GMT
#668
I didn't pay or watch it. And ruined it for myself I said I'd watch it when it became free, but since I frequent TL so often, I knew who won =P. I don't know if I'll be able to watch much of it. I'll give it a go.
He who conquers the past rules the future, He who conquers the future rules the past. - C&C Red Alert
eot
Profile Joined April 2011
146 Posts
February 27 2012 09:41 GMT
#669
I watched with the exploit. If I hadn't been able to I wouldn't have paid anyway. I'm not against the idea of paying though, but for me 20$ was too much for an event at such terrible hours. At 5$ I would definitely pay, at 10$ I might pay.
ovnell
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden61 Posts
February 27 2012 09:41 GMT
#670
I didn't pay because the time wasn't ideal for me, but I was still able to watch the finals on the A1 stream.
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
February 27 2012 09:44 GMT
#671
Watched 25% of the games, paid the 15$ and is happy about it. Money spent well. Gonna watch the vods for the games i didn't watch.

A "poor" student who uses my money and what i feel is important.
Yeah
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
February 27 2012 09:45 GMT
#672
Well. I didn't watch any of it (MLG) on friday.Was planing to wait on VODS and then watch some series that people recommend.

On Saturday after Assembly i turned on mlg page and got like 3 streams working and only 1 blocked by paywall. I said to myself "ok i'll watch some". Two series later i was like meh... people really pay for it and went to sleep.

Then came the championship sunday. The games should be good. Went to MLG site. This time pay wall was working for me. I was thinking. "Ok last day. I can dish out that 5$ for the remaining 5 games" - but MLG shattered my hopes.Still $20 ...
Went on redit. Saw a post about day1 restreams in controversial tabs. Thought "its 2 day old re-stream it just cannot work. Its impossible..." Boy was i so wrong. Watched the re-stream for day 3. After the first game which was ok the quality of games dropped. They were basically hold first push counter to win... The twitch lag didn't make it all better. I began to wonder if $5 wouldn't even be too much for those games. Then came the reverse extended series. Something i never thought could be possible. Still it gave us more games.

So to sum it up.
Day 1 - didn't watch it
Day 2 - Watch it on MLG website
Day 3 - Restream
Notfragile
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 09:52:26
February 27 2012 09:50 GMT
#673
Bad attempt is bad. Assembly was on at the same time and assembly was really really worth the time to watch it. But let me ask a question here: What is the limiting factor for an average person regarding the viewing of a tournament?

Perhaps it is money. Some people do not find it easy to burn $20. Some others are just cheap. Some others are addicted to the free content of the internetz. But money can be a limiting factor.

Perhaps it is the volume of games. You know, some people have lives outside of the sc2 scene as well. Some people cannot sit in front of their PC all weekend long to watch games. Try to ask that kind of people that would only watch 1 day, or half a day to spend the aforemetioned money. They won't.

Perhaps it is that the tournament is broadcasted in a weird time for the europeans. I know that MLG is the biggest esports event of the US and US/Canada are the main target group. For an european, it would be like "watch some games in the late of the night" or "get up early to watch the good ones" etc. No reason to pay $20 for some of the games, especially combined with the 2 reasons above.

Perhaps it is the comparison with other events. Assembly was a fine tournament that offered a lot of excitement for the price of the electricity someone's pc used to function. They bombed people with advertisements and that is fine. The prize for the 1st place was $10.000.
GLS is the best tournament there is. The price is around $15 for 2 months Monday to Thursday of the world's absolut best starcraft action. 2 bloody months. And there is the low quality stream for free as well. 1st place prize? $44.500 Let us not comment about that, let's just say CodeS = $1.300 for everyone there. That's what I call motivation to waste a few years of one's life in order to get better and deliver a great show. And you can watch it for a cheaper price than the 2 day slugfest the MLG is, because noone can study the other player and prepare. 2 days of top ladder level matches for $20.


I realise that MLG is not a charity organization and wants to make money out of it. But the audience is not a charity group either. Offer something good and we buy. Offer mediocre stuff, at bad hours, at a really high price compared to other content, while other content is both better and cheaper (or even free) and a lot of people will not buy it. $5 and I'm in for it. $10 and still probably no, compared to both GSL and assembly/dreamhack level tournaments. I am not giving charity to any corporation out there.

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Jaba
Profile Joined September 2010
United States10 Posts
February 27 2012 09:50 GMT
#674
My problem is all the people who are like "Its only 20 dollars, you prolly spend that on more usless stuff". I have a job, I make money. But Id rather spend my 20 dollars on gas thats only 5 gallons.. The pricing was just wrong. 10 dollars less I probably would have purchased it. I just don't understand how no one on the MLG staff was like " I dont think this price is a good idea".. Anyway I have more to say on the matter but I feel my personal rage will get in the way of what Im trying to actually say. Its unfortunate that I didnt get to see this event.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
February 27 2012 09:54 GMT
#675
The lag was atrocious, sorry but it wasn't worth $20, I watched most of the final game as a slideshow. $10 maybe, but with all the lag issues and constantly having to sign in and out and stream dying etc you can't justify the price, plus for europe the times are shitty, I understand that that isn't MLG's fault but all this is considered when trying to assess whether this is worth the price and atm it isn't. Fix the lag (if that is even possible) and lower the price slightly and there is no reason why this can't work.

Good
-production quality
-FP streams of players was sick
-1080 stream when it worked was amazing
-okish downtime between games
-alternative casters as the main ones tbh were poor and seem unprepared a lot of the time aside from artosis (really impressed by grubby's casting skills)
-games and player line up were great obviously

bad
-uber lag at crucial times
-time for euro
-extended series still needs to be worked around, also the seeding/brackets seemed a little unfair
-too many big games were just bo3s
-obviously without a crowd there was little to no atmosphere and it really came through
-lag
-vods weren't quickly available and some of them didn't work at all (this is particularly bad for euros who wanted to watch the day after)
-the backstage cam was advertised as something totally different than what it was, basically you gave us some colour CCTV footage

adalcim
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany166 Posts
February 27 2012 10:07 GMT
#676
I watched but didn't pay, because I won a ticket from Artosis on Twitter. Overall it was a nice tourney, but like always as a person from europe the broadcasting time is horrible. Sometimes it lagged and overall I am sure that I will not pay in the future for MLG. I am already paying for GSL and that is enough for me.
TheG4Be
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden22 Posts
February 27 2012 10:10 GMT
#677
When I realised that $20 was about 130 in Swedish currency it didn't seem all that expensive to me.

So yeah, I paid for it.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 27 2012 10:10 GMT
#678
I did not pay for it, as there was no chance to watch even 50% of the content produced (and that is not because they had multiple streams, which made it impossible to watch everything anyways).

Scheduling on day 1 and day 2 basically made it impossible for european to watch even 50% of the games played, and, according to several posts I've read on teamliquid, I was right to not trust the vod system of MLG to make up for the games that I wouldn't be able to watch (not being able to watch live is not that bad if you got nice vod system to watch everything directly afterwards).
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 10:14:11
February 27 2012 10:11 GMT
#679
On February 27 2012 18:50 Notfragile wrote:


Perhaps it is the volume of games. You know, some people have lives outside of the sc2 scene as well. Some people cannot sit in front of their PC all weekend long to watch games. Try to ask that kind of people that would only watch 1 day, or half a day to spend the aforemetioned money. They won't.





I agree with this the most and is the point i agree with the most.

I mean it is kind of a strange thing to complain about having too many games, but realistically it has become impossible to follow every match you want to see from a tournament without being a 100% full time dedicated SC2 watcher/fan.
And you only have a week to watch it, because after that the new patch comes out or the new tournament comes out, and you are watching something that is now dated and irrelevant.

I understand I am probably not the majority, but I like to watch the games as they happen, live. and its the same of any sporting event. I dont watch reruns of sports games, I dont record games to watch them later. I like to watch them as they are happening, cause that is when they are exciting. So getting access to VoDs or free restreams (after the fact) arent interesting to me, because when you are watching last weeks vods, you are missing this weeks tournament.

For me personally, I cant see myself paying $20 to watch a 3 day tournament, that I felt, didnt feel like a real event.

I have gone to multiple Blizzcons and MLG's because its a kickass time and i love watching and being there, but this tournament with no crowd felt as someone else already said, as if it was just an online tournament.

I dont know though, I was in the crowd when there were the WHITE RA chants and the MMA MMA and BOXER BOXER chants and those things are what make events what they are.. IDK its hard to explain.

sry its 2 am and im rambling aimlessly... to sum it up.... why pay $20 for something that seems like an online event... when i can just watch one of the MANY free tournaments that there are to watch now.

GSL sells because there is no tournament that can match it competition-wise and because there are a SHITLOAD of games month-long content, so even if you miss a night/day there is more stuff coming on tomorrow night so sooner or later u can get ur moneys worth...

I just think that atm we are at a point where there is no reason to pay $20 to see matches that you can see in a week or two for free.(and im not talking about vods... but a new tourney with the same players)

ALSO just a btw from me, I dont agree/like/understand why a tournament even has 4-5 streams for the same game. I dont know how any of you guys can do it.. but for me I can only watch/listen to one stream at a time. Instead of having multiple streams I would rather have 1 stream with 0 downtime. Even if it meant having a 2nd stream that existed ONLY as "now flipping to stream two while we set up the next match! =)"

Would rather pay $5 for one 0-downtime stream. Than $20 for 4 streams that run simultaneously...making it impossible to enjoy what i am "paying for".
NexaS
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States202 Posts
February 27 2012 10:11 GMT
#680
I didn't watch a lot of it, but when I did want to watch, I could. I used the russian twitch page for MLG and that worked without having to buy it on day 2. For day 3, the mlg/live stream worked for me without having to pay, so I used that.

I'm never going to pay $20 to watch a starcraft tournament, I'm sorry. I'll pay $5 or maybe $10 if the tournament is good and I can somehow get my moneys worth.
TexaS
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