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On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2... And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand. Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430  I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please. And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh. You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw. Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
Actually GoOdy was a great BW players... I don't know where you're getting this information from, but it's completely wrong.
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On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please. And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
Well seeing as how me, a high master NA Terran was able to get to a decent masters level on KR and play GM players a few times I would venture to say you are wrong.
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On February 28 2012 05:11 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please. And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh. Well seeing as how me, a high master NA Terran was able to get to a decent masters level on KR and play GM players a few times I would venture to say you are wrong.
desRow is playing with high masters/GM on korean server, this make him a top protoss player?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:
And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
He got wrecked by Curious just like Gumiho and Oz who both got stomped too. I bet these two are pretty bad too by your logic ;p
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
When SjoW was at the FXO house he streamed and I'm pretty sure his account was high masters.
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On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
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On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
Read my post again, I'm not even comparing them as players, I'm saying they have accomplished way more than Major has.
Which is true, because we are still waiting for Majors breakout performance, despite all the hype that has surrounded him for over a year now.
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On February 28 2012 05:09 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2... And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand. On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please. And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh. You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw. Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh... You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics. And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major.
You are calling Stephanos mechanics _amazing_? The Stephano that only use 4 hotkeys (1-4), with grid hotkeys and no F-keys and every unit on 1 except infestors as zerg? That if anything is a sign on weak mechanics. But your standard are pretty low if you call that amazing mechanics I gotta say.
GreEny K, great by what standards lol?
Leaving this now. Just off topic shitstorm that wont lead anywhere. I guess we just have to wait for major to play some tournament or games against kas/sjow/goody.
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All this talk of APM and SC1 team try-outs is irrelevant. Major will be considered a top foreigner when he gets the results of a top foreigner. Until then he'll remain 'that guy you hear about once every 3 months when he switches team.'
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Time to check6 to get an EU player!! :D!
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On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2... And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand. Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please. And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh. You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw. Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
SjoW got top 8 at MLG and won IESF this autumn, most of his recent results are even better than Majors. I know Major is a really talented player, but seriously i dont give a shit about mechanics and apm! There is one element that you can find in each esport, and it might very well be the most important one of them all, and the is performing under pressure. It's mostly this element that makes a player good, mechanics, apm, gamesense, whatever, they wont help you if you cant even perform under pressure. You can't argue with that logic of yours because it's stupid, no matter how inferior Sjow or Goodys mechanics, apm, etc. may be, they've still performed a thousand times better than Major has at any event during 2011, and that's what makes a player GOOD.
It doesn't change shit that Major is top 70 GM in Korea, online warrior =/= top tier player. And if we're going to talk about shit that Majors mechanics makes him a better player than Sjow. I'd rather trust the FXO guys and Bomber who called SjoW a mastermind and one of the smartest foreigner players.
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On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
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On February 28 2012 05:33 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
In their current forms? I absolutely think Sjow is better than Jinro. Goody, probably not, but its not far off. Jinro has fallen hard. I hope he bounces back big, his GSL semi-finals runs hooked me on competitive sc2. And unlike Major, at least we have seen Jinro have results.
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On February 28 2012 05:33 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
Actually, if Sjow and Goody were to play a BO5 against Jinro I would always bet against Jinro.
They are not just playing mass tournaments, they are actually pretty damn good.
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On February 28 2012 05:33 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
Yes, they are better than Jinro and MajOr.
also GoOdy beat jinro at dreamhack, SjoW's and GoOdy's decision makings superior to major's.
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On February 27 2012 08:22 Klonere wrote:
Interesting [gosi]terran fact: He follows Bang Bros on twitter.
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
So to have this amasing piece of information i guess you follow both of them ? x)
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On February 28 2012 05:30 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:09 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2... And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand. On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please. And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh. You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw. Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh... You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics. And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major. You are calling Stephanos mechanics _amazing_? The Stephano that only use 4 hotkeys (1-4), with grid hotkeys and no F-keys and every unit on 1 except infestors as zerg? That if anything is a sign on weak mechanics. But your standard are pretty low if you call that amazing mechanics I gotta say. GreEny K, great by what standards lol? Leaving this now. Just off topic shitstorm that wont lead anywhere. I guess we just have to wait for major to play some tournament or games against kas/sjow/goody.
I didn't know that mechanics meant that you had to use F keys even if you don't need them, or multiple unnecessary hotkeys.
Does he miss injects? Does his macro slip when he microes fights?
I don't think you have any idea what mechanics are...
On the other hand we have major who might have very good mechanics but couldn't split marines if his life depended on it.
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On February 28 2012 05:39 Marou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:22 Klonere wrote:
Interesting [gosi]terran fact: He follows Bang Bros on twitter.
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread. So to have this amasing piece of information i guess you follow both of them ? x)
or neither. you can see who someone follows without following either
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Why do teams even bother with this clown any more? You'd think with his track record they'd get the hint that maybe he's just not supposed to be part of a team.
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On February 28 2012 05:50 FuRRyChoBo wrote:
Why do teams even bother with this clown any more? You'd think with his track record they'd get the hint that maybe he's just not supposed to be part of a team.
He's only been on three teams, dont just jump on the bandwagon and start talking shit.
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On February 28 2012 06:04 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:50 FuRRyChoBo wrote:
Why do teams even bother with this clown any more? You'd think with his track record they'd get the hint that maybe he's just not supposed to be part of a team. He's only been on three teams, dont just jump on the bandwagon and start talking shit.
This. Also people must not reading the article. Major was offered a better deal with a different team and x6 released him so he could pursue it. It's not like he spat on every member there and left, they chose to support his decision.
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