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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
February 27 2012 19:36 GMT
#321
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.


There's no comparison man. Kas is a league above. I think Major would even agree with that.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
February 27 2012 19:37 GMT
#322
Well for one thing, Naniwa is probably the second-most successful foreigner (Huk barely ahead? Barely?), so he's really worth "the trouble."

Major though seems more famous for his interviews and names and teams... basically, anything that isn't his play.
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Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
February 27 2012 19:39 GMT
#323
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.


Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 16:34:18
February 27 2012 19:39 GMT
#324
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.


Nobody but you has mentioned whether Major was better or not. Just that when you watch his play he is cleaner with his execution. Which is very subjective to begin with.

Why're you getting so angry, good sir.
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
February 27 2012 19:40 GMT
#325
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.

They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.

And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.

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burningPurple
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway76 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 19:50:11
February 27 2012 19:44 GMT
#326
Lol, came in late in the discussion and thought it was about who was better, not better mechanics. I do agree that MajOr has better mechanics (he was one of the most mechanical players even before he went to KR, he must be beastly now)

BUT, that being said, Kas would beat MajOr bo5 9 out of 10 times, I am sure. He has shown time and time again what kind of caliber player he is, showing he is capable of destroying Code S-veterans. But his greatest strength isn't mechanics though, tru dat..

I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?
You must learn to allow patience and stillness to take over from anxiety and frantic activity... The good player is patient. He is observant, controlling his patience, and organizing his composure. When he sees an opportunity, he explodes.
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
February 27 2012 19:45 GMT
#327
On February 28 2012 04:44 knekten wrote:
Lol at the discussion about who is better 'tween Major and Kas... Kas is obviously better and until MajOr starts winning some shit there's not even a point to discussing it. Kas has already proven how good he is, COUNTLESS times, and proven that he is still improving, capable of destroying Korean Code S players. Now, what does MajOr have against that? Oh lastshadow says he's good and has a little more apm. Hah...

I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so fucking great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?


No Code A quali since he moved? :o, there might have been on literally as he moved but we have no real indication of his skill level on a tournament stage.
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Doriboi
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States181 Posts
February 27 2012 19:47 GMT
#328
CheckSix handled his dismissal very well, unlike other teams....*cough* ROOT *cough.*

I think we still forget that Juan is just a kid (17 years old) so for those expecting him to act like an adult, just remember that at 17, we were impulsive too.

Best of luck to both parties.
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Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
February 27 2012 19:49 GMT
#329
On February 28 2012 04:47 Doriboi wrote:
CheckSix handled his dismissal very well, unlike other teams....*cough* ROOT *cough.*

I think we still forget that Juan is just a kid (17 years old) so for those expecting him to act like an adult, just remember that at 17, we were impulsive too.

Best of luck to both parties.


I have a theory, we are all deeply stupid untill we reach something like 22 - 23 xD
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 27 2012 19:49 GMT
#330
On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.


Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf

What has Major done to prove he is better than either of those guys? Sjow is at the top of income earners from prize money among foreigners in sc2. Goody's 2nd in the Battle of Berlin is better than anything Major has done.


On February 28 2012 04:39 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.


Nobody but you has mentioned whether Major was better or not. Just that when you watch his play he is cleaner with his execution. Which is very subjective to begin with.

Why're getting so angry, good sir.

Umm I was called delusional for defending the notion that Kas is better than Major. I didn't bring it up. What is the point of good mechanics if you can't put them to good use with good decision making? Idra has amazing mechanics, yet what holds him back is his decision making. All I'm getting at is there is more to sc2 than just mechanics, just like there is more to basketball than the physical aspect. There have been plenty of physical freaks who haven't panned out in the NBA because they don't have the mental aspect of the game down.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 27 2012 19:52 GMT
#331
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.

They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.

And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.


You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 27 2012 19:52 GMT
#332
On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.


Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf

Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.

Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
Hyge
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland138 Posts
February 27 2012 19:53 GMT
#333
Major is very goot at starcraft but still he hasn't won anything good, I think he is too nervous @Lan events. He has to learn to play @Lan events or this team changing will continue.
I play 1v1 SC2 because I've heard there are people who are currently better than I - and that pisses me off.
burningPurple
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway76 Posts
February 27 2012 19:54 GMT
#334
On February 28 2012 04:45 SabreUK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:44 knekten wrote:
Lol at the discussion about who is better 'tween Major and Kas... Kas is obviously better and until MajOr starts winning some shit there's not even a point to discussing it. Kas has already proven how good he is, COUNTLESS times, and proven that he is still improving, capable of destroying Korean Code S players. Now, what does MajOr have against that? Oh lastshadow says he's good and has a little more apm. Hah...

I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so fucking great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?


No Code A quali since he moved? :o, there might have been on literally as he moved but we have no real indication of his skill level on a tournament stage.


Wow really? Thought those were held every month or something..
You must learn to allow patience and stillness to take over from anxiety and frantic activity... The good player is patient. He is observant, controlling his patience, and organizing his composure. When he sees an opportunity, he explodes.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 19:59:21
February 27 2012 19:55 GMT
#335
Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...

And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.

On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.

They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.

And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.


You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.


Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
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ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
February 27 2012 19:55 GMT
#336
On February 27 2012 08:24 Kira__ wrote:
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Haha, I don't know if he'd fit the Liquid` model.
iDoMiNaTe2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
288 Posts
February 27 2012 19:59 GMT
#337
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.

They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.

And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.



Major is talented, but your comment about goody and sjow is just wrong. Sjow has showed that he can take games off good Koreans same with goody to say they wouldn't even get high master is just wrong.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
February 27 2012 20:01 GMT
#338
On February 28 2012 04:54 knekten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:45 SabreUK wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:44 knekten wrote:
Lol at the discussion about who is better 'tween Major and Kas... Kas is obviously better and until MajOr starts winning some shit there's not even a point to discussing it. Kas has already proven how good he is, COUNTLESS times, and proven that he is still improving, capable of destroying Korean Code S players. Now, what does MajOr have against that? Oh lastshadow says he's good and has a little more apm. Hah...

I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so fucking great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?


No Code A quali since he moved? :o, there might have been on literally as he moved but we have no real indication of his skill level on a tournament stage.


Wow really? Thought those were held every month or something..

Not any longer, but I'm pretty sure he played in the latest ones and got knocked out in the third round or something.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 27 2012 20:06 GMT
#339
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:
Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...

And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.

Major hasn't even done well in big tournaments. His best showing has been making it to pool play at MLG Columbus. Sjow has outperformed him the entire time.

Major has been all hype so far. Everyone talks about his mechanics and how good they are, but there is more to the game than that. Lets see some actual results from the guy before we start putting him above people who have won and performed well in big tournaments.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 27 2012 20:09 GMT
#340
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:
Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...

And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.

LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.

Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.

Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...

and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430



I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.

Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?

Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.

Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.

who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.

And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.

They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.

And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.


You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.


Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...

You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics.

And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major.
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