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On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430  I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
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after this epic argument i really wanna see him play in a tournament now..
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On February 28 2012 05:18 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:
And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh... He got wrecked by Curious just like Gumiho and Oz who both got stomped too. I bet these two are pretty bad too by your logic ;p Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
When SjoW was at the FXO house he streamed and I'm pretty sure his account was high masters.
SjoW gets invite from GSL because of http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Raleigh .
major didnt accomplished anything, SjoW is better player than major.
Also his games against Maka was awesome, bomber said on mlg raleigh "SjoW's TvT is code S level" and it is!
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I love reading these threads and hearing all the prophets say "Saw this Coming".
Gz to Terran, that guys beastly, glad to see he got a better deal. I was glad he left on amicable terms this time.
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Major is a good player, but comparing him to world class players with tangible accomplishments in major tournaments is silly. He certainly has the talent and can beat any of them in a match on a given day, but you can say that about so many other people... he's definitely a great player though.
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I was actually just thinking this past weekend while watching mlg, hey I haven't heard about major in a while. No new name or team for a couple of months, and then this. I guess congrats to major on his move? It'll be interesting to see what team he joins.
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On February 28 2012 05:40 hrvoje07 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:30 Gosi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:09 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote:Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2... And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand. On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please. And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh. You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw. Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh... You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics. And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major. You are calling Stephanos mechanics _amazing_? The Stephano that only use 4 hotkeys (1-4), with grid hotkeys and no F-keys and every unit on 1 except infestors as zerg? That if anything is a sign on weak mechanics. But your standard are pretty low if you call that amazing mechanics I gotta say. GreEny K, great by what standards lol? Leaving this now. Just off topic shitstorm that wont lead anywhere. I guess we just have to wait for major to play some tournament or games against kas/sjow/goody. I didn't know that mechanics meant that you had to use F keys even if you don't need them, or multiple unnecessary hotkeys. Does he miss injects? Does his macro slip when he microes fights? I don't think you have any idea what mechanics are... On the other hand we have major who might have very good mechanics but couldn't split marines if his life depended on it.
mechanic contain of Micro ,Marco ,Mouse accuracy ,Hand speed ,screen changing etc.
also good player need to use that fucking F key,it make them faster than scroll mouse from main base to 2nd or 3rd base. etc.
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On February 28 2012 06:11 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
Tourney achievements and accomplishments are a good indicator of skill but by no means are they the final arbiter of who is the best at this game. It is totally possible someone who hasn't had the opportunity to go to many LANs could be more skillful than people that do, and just hasn't demonstrated it yet.
For example, I would be willing to bet their are over 200 koreans most of us can't name that are more skillful than most random NA or EU pros, despite the fact that have no tourney accomplishments. The same could be true for Major, and probably is given the people testifying for his skill (Lastshadow, Artosis, etc).
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This is truly surprising. Major doesn't have a history of team hopping, so I was not expecting to see this.
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Edit: Damn sorry didn't see his name on the MLG KR Qualifier list.
Edit2: Because he changed his name to Windy.....we should just refer to him as Juan.
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3 months more than I expected.
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Of course player A could be much better than player B
Player A - mainly practicing and staying out of the spotlight
Player B - participates in tournaments and achieves some success
Yet
Players will always be measured by their achievements. You can be unknown and one of the best in the world but if you lack the success in tournaments you will always be neglected. In order to remove all shadow of a doubt you will have to prove it on the big stage sooner or later.
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Don't recruit him if your team name contains 'six' in it :p
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On February 28 2012 13:09 Pokebunny wrote:
Major is a good player, but comparing him to world class players with tangible accomplishments in major tournaments is silly. He certainly has the talent and can beat any of them in a match on a given day, but you can say that about so many other people... he's definitely a great player though.
i couldnt agree more...
I think major/pokebunny/illusion/kawaiirice all of them same and really talented players, but comparing them to world class players/major tournament winners like SjoW is really silly.
I mean Major isnt something special, sc2 have a lot of talented/young players like Major.
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On February 28 2012 06:11 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
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Meh, from what i've seen on IdrA's stream, he has improved quite a lot
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On February 29 2012 01:24 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:11 hunts wrote:On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody. What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16!
Sup?
What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server?
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On February 29 2012 01:29 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 01:24 SupLilSon wrote:On February 28 2012 06:11 hunts wrote:On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote:
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol. LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody. What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments. GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16! Sup? What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server?
this post is like the best proof ever that citing 1 win doesnt mean anything about a players skill.
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Hm, I`m not the biggest Goody fan, but he has won so many Bo3s vs players of the skill region Nerchio, Kas, Socke, Beasty etc. So pls when you compare players do it in a respectful way.
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On February 29 2012 01:32 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 01:29 dragonborn wrote:On February 29 2012 01:24 SupLilSon wrote:On February 28 2012 06:11 hunts wrote:On February 28 2012 05:26 sereniity wrote:On February 28 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote:On February 28 2012 04:39 SabreUK wrote:On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:[quote] LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran. Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right. Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear... and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430 I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck. Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow? Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison. Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer. who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype. And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second. Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though. Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary. I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major... Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too. It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody. What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments. GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16! Sup? What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server? this post is like the best proof ever that citing 1 win doesnt mean anything about a players skill.
At least better than saying "he is playing on korean server, so talented and dont care about foreign tournaments bla bla bla"
Pokebunny/kawaiirice and Illusion on same level with Major, he isnt something special.
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