Juan Carlos "MajOr" Tena Lopez, arguably Mexico's best and most recognized StarCraft 2 player, has left CheckSix Gaming after a 4-month stint with the North American-based organization. Lopez, who had changed his handle from MajOr to "WinDy" upon his signing with x6, is making the switch after potentially receiving an offer from a yet undisclosed team.
CheckSix management told ESFI that Lopez had been contracted for a specific period of time, but that they always try to do things in the best interests of their players. It seems this was one of those cases, as CheckSix confirmed that his contract was not bought out by MajOr's new team.
"He got an offer that was a lot more convenient and helpful to him as a player," said x6 Business Development Director Curt Carter. "What we offered him was more than fair to him as a player. We just wanted to allow him the opportunity to do something that better suited his needs."
"Thanks to CheckSix for all support over past few months," said Lopez in his official statement. "It was great, and I appreciate them allowing me this better opportunity. Hopefully, people continue to support me no matter where I am."
According to Curt Carter, CheckSix won't be immediately looking to fill his spot on the team. "Yes, some 'star power' will now be missing; however, we are extremely confident in our current roster of players, despite lacking some of that star power."
For people that do not like to read the article associated with the title. He was NOT released for behavior. He was released simply because he had a better opportunity come up and CheckSix wanted to allow him to pursue it.
I hope he finds a Korean team that will give him room/board, he's very good and it's a shame that he keeps switching teams, tbh I forgot he was on x6 =P
Well I mean it sounds like he got offered a better deal by another team. I don't blame him, no matter what any pro gamer says (except a select few) if they are offered more money they are probably going to take it (like huk going from liquid to EG).
Seems like a sucky deal since they helped keep him in Korea but he didn't play in many big tournies. Still always a fan of RootKitty hope the new deal is something good maybe a Korean team or something.
On February 27 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote: lol. how long was it this time?
First line says, "4-months"...
Aside from the random team drama and league with no substantial talent, I haven't seen this guy make a splash in the scene, I don't get why he is so sought after.
He served out a contract with a team that amicably parted ways with him and had nice things to say about him in order to pursue a better offer, so let's think of something shitty to say!
On February 27 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote: lol. how long was it this time?
First line says, "4-months"...
Aside from the random team drama and league with no substantial talent, I haven't seen this guy make a splash in the scene, I don't get why he is so sought after.
Hes sought after not because of results but because he is an incredibly solid terran, and as such I would assume an awesome practice partner (IdrA practiced with him a lot in korea), and because he has a ton of potential.
On February 27 2012 08:25 emc wrote: maybe this will be the final lesson and he will never get picked up. I don't mean to bash on him but he clearly has commitment issues...
he is leaving because he already has another team....
Almost certainly a korean team. I presume his great performance on KR ladder with NoNge account (before it tanked MMR) and desRow account has gotten him noticed. Go Juan
On February 27 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote: lol. how long was it this time?
First line says, "4-months"...
Aside from the random team drama and league with no substantial talent, I haven't seen this guy make a splash in the scene, I don't get why he is so sought after.
He's always been a very solid player and has some insane multitasking, how is he supposed to "make a splash in the scene" when he's been doing nothing but practicing in Korea for the last few months?
Also hilarious how people jump on the "omg juan team-hopper" wagon when he's WORKING as a PROFESSIONAL player and needs to earn MONEY. Not to mention the silly amount of dumb people who can't even read the OP before commenting... "omg how long did he stay?" "lol hopefully he wont get hired by a new team now..." For all you guys who can't actually comprehend the OP, Juan already has an offer from a team which appearently is much more convenient for him, he stayed in x6 for 4 months in total.
Why the hell would he even stay in x6? Are there any other x6 members in Korea other than Juan? Are there any players in x6 even close to his caliber?
If Juan hasn't found a team which he can practice with regularly and get a practice envoirement/salary he's happy with I don't see why he would stay in those teams.
Good for Juan, I hope we'll see him in some foreigner tournaments soon, he must've gotten really good by now!
On February 27 2012 08:21 trGKakarot wrote: Aside from the random team drama and league with no substantial talent, I haven't seen this guy make a splash in the scene, I don't get why he is so sought after.
Because he has potential. Then again, if we only looked at potential, Nony and Idra should be dominating the foreigner scene so that's that.
On February 27 2012 08:24 Talin wrote: I wonder how many people will not even bother to read the statements in the OP and just jump on the topic with a kneejerk reaction.
Technically, you could have posted that without reading the OP either
Why the hell would he even stay in x6? Are there any other x6 members in Korea other than Juan? Are there any players in x6 even close to his caliber?
Good for Juan, hope we'll see him in some foreigner tournaments soon, he must've gotten really good by now!
sleep isnt too shabby with 4 KR GM accts and all
Anyone else...? Also 1 KR GM acc or 4, does it really make a difference? If you can get in there once you probably wont have a hard time doing it again...
This actually seems like a very amicable break up and I do not think it falls in line with Major's history, so jokes aside, I think this separation is a little more reasonable. I'm feeling that there might a Korean team interested.
On February 27 2012 08:36 drgoats wrote: This actually seems like a very amicable break up and I do not think it falls in line with Major's history, so jokes aside, I think this separation is a little more reasonable. I'm feeling that there might a Korean team interested.
didnt he leave his last team because of money? seems the same to me. just x6 doesnt want controversy.
He never left because he disliked the team. He just got a better offer from a different team. This is no different from HuK moving from Liquid to EG, but no one made a big fuss over that.
On February 27 2012 08:25 emc wrote: maybe this will be the final lesson and he will never get picked up. I don't mean to bash on him but he clearly has commitment issues...
he is leaving because he already has another team....
was that your response to when he left the team before? or maybe you will say it again when he leaves the new team? Yea sure maybe the past however many teams he has been on weren't what he was looking for but most teams lay everything out on the table before you join, and if he did't know what they are offering then that's his mistake.
On February 27 2012 08:38 Mirosuu wrote: Wow, so many people hating on MajOr...
He never left because he disliked the team. He just got a better offer from a different team. This is no different from HuK moving from Liquid to EG, but no one made a big fuss over that.
Get off his back, he's doing far better now.
.... I think everyone and their mother was making a big deal out of it, but not because huk skips teams every day.
On February 27 2012 08:25 emc wrote: maybe this will be the final lesson and he will never get picked up. I don't mean to bash on him but he clearly has commitment issues...
he is leaving because he already has another team....
was that your response to when he left the team before? or maybe you will say it again when he leaves the new team? Yea sure maybe the past however many teams he has been on weren't what he was looking for but most teams lay everything out on the table before you join, and if he did't know what they are offering then that's his mistake.
i was just pointing out that he has already been picked up, so your statement that "he will never get picked up" is kind of amusing.
I´m amazed every time what kind of reputation this guy got. Maybe this time he will stay with a team longer. And find true happiness. His next nick should be cinderella, that would be at least funny.
At least it doesn't sound like there's a lot of drama here, until major starts putting up some decent results and getting a bit of spotlight I think a lot of people will just chuckle at this announcement and then forget about it 5 mins later
On February 27 2012 09:45 AllHailTheDead wrote: can we change the topic title please? hurts me to see so many idiots come in here and comment without reading op
hes transfering to another team. didnt get kicked off
ummm... the title is accurate. he was released from the team because he wanted a new opportunity.
On February 27 2012 09:45 AllHailTheDead wrote: can we change the topic title please? hurts me to see so many idiots come in here and comment without reading op
hes transfering to another team. didnt get kicked off
no matter what the title is...if people see anything about him leaving teams in the title, they are just gonna jump in and say something stupid.
On February 27 2012 08:25 hunger wrote: Great snarky remarks so far guys!
He served out a contract with a team that amicably parted ways with him and had nice things to say about him in order to pursue a better offer, so let's think of something shitty to say!
He did not "serve out a contract" with x6. They released him at his request to pursue another offer -- what's more, the new team did not buy out the rest of Major's contract. Because x6 is a team full of nice, professional people, they said nice, professional things about him.
While Major is not being fired for behavior or anything like that, he is yet again proving that loyalty is not a high priority with him. Yes, HuK left liquid for bigger money, but HuK did not make the decision lightly. Major changes teams like changing underwear.
To me, Major is a very talented player who plays an exciting Terran style. But he has time and again showed himself to be a terrible investment. I am not surprised that he continues to get offers, because he is a top foreigner, but he could benefit from some maturity and professionalism. He is a better player than a lot of people on teams that have more resources to support their players, but I am willing to bet that the top teams are hesitant to devote resources to a player will leave at any new opportunity.
I would be disappointed if any Korean team picked him up and gave him the opportunity. I'm sorry he just doesn't deserve it, and he isn't good enough to warrant Korean training, IMO.
On February 27 2012 08:36 Raithed wrote: Well, his new ID is WinDy now.. gah, how many IDs will he have?
oGsTheWinDy :p
Hahahaha Oh man, that's priceless!
IMPrincess - Comes with a free introduction! oGsTheWinDy - LOL TSLAngel - For some reason I actually kinda like this. Too bad VirgilSC's sure he's not going to TSL MvPrincess - The best princess. Ever. SlayerSBritney - so Alicia won't have to be so lonely xD ZeNEX520 - Random ZenEx caps with random number :D STMnemosyne - A play on his "Memory" ID. I say if he gets on Startale he gets mega professional via his poetic name xD MajorPrime - Sounds kinda cool, actually. TerranfOu - Because I couldn't find a place for Terran. QxGKitty - To spice up that Quantic sitcom!
He's not getting into New Star Heo Seo... because he's not going to that highschool... I hope... for his sake...
On February 27 2012 12:05 Grimmyman123 wrote: Too bad really.
Previous handles: Princess, Kitty, Terran, MajOr.
Previous teams: GoSl Clan, ROOT, SixJax Gaming, and CheckSix.
no reputable team will sign him, unless there are serious term of service clauses in the contract. And even then...... Who would sign him?
Hey, any small team that has the budget probably would for the exposure his talent gets him. I mean, he's so goddamn good...
Oh, and he actually has a crazy good work ethic/playing spirit. It takes some serious heart to play the bad guy... and not crumble. We've seen more than a few good players crumble under pressure and expectations: Mr. Lopez does not crumble under pressure and just about nobody has any expectations of him than to lose.
EDIT: Oh god... I'm becoming a hipster Juan Lopez fan...
I'm surprised that a team decided to give him an offer much bigger than what he currently had. I don't recall him putting up an results, and considering all the negative publicity surrounding him all the time, I'm surprised a team figured that his value has gone up since he had signed with x6 (ie why didn't he join this team instead of x6 4 months ago, well because x6 had the highest offer at the time, and now someone has given an even bigger offer because they were impressed by something).
This guy is like an abortionist. Gets pregnant for 4 months and gets a abortion. Whereas normal people take 9 months and end up staying with their child for ++ months/years.
Seeing this in the sidebar every couple of months is a nice reminder, that sometimes there is some stability in this unstable world, and maybe everything that happens follows a certain plan.
Not a big fan of major and his antics, but at least this time things seem to have ended on good terms. Hopefully wherever he is headed will be the right place for him and the team hopping shenanigans will end
On February 27 2012 12:35 GDeci wrote: This guy is like an abortionist. Gets pregnant for 4 months and gets a abortion. Whereas normal people take 9 months and end up staying with their child for ++ months/years.
On February 27 2012 08:20 Jinsho wrote: HE GOT A BETTER OFFER!
Stop posting stupid shit in this thread like "omg lol 4 months"
Seriously how the fuck do you criticize someone that get offered a higher wage in there profession and they accept it.
Because in BW he would switch teams like changing underwear and in SC2 so far...he's done basically the same thing. It hasn't be out a super long time and he's already been in many teams.
You could almost say that he switches teams like he switches names
On February 27 2012 08:20 Jinsho wrote: HE GOT A BETTER OFFER!
Stop posting stupid shit in this thread like "omg lol 4 months"
Seriously how the fuck do you criticize someone that get offered a higher wage in there profession and they accept it.
Because in BW he would switch teams like changing underwear and in SC2 so far...he's done basically the same thing. It hasn't be out a super long time and he's already been in many teams.
You could almost say that he switches teams like he switches names
Glad to see that there the Team and the player seem to have worked things out without a lot of drama . I will be looking forward to see what new team Juan joins!
On February 27 2012 08:20 Jinsho wrote: HE GOT A BETTER OFFER!
Stop posting stupid shit in this thread like "omg lol 4 months"
Seriously how the fuck do you criticize someone that get offered a higher wage in there profession and they accept it.
Because in BW he would switch teams like changing underwear and in SC2 so far...he's done basically the same thing. It hasn't be out a super long time and he's already been in many teams.
You could almost say that he switches teams like he switches names
On February 27 2012 15:11 KoDo wrote: i think the fact that TSL didn't sign him and that he hasn't honestly produced much greater results since moving and training in Korea speaks volumes.
His last LAN tournament was in november. Hard to really say how he would do considering I haven't even seen him in tournaments lately. Hopefully see him at an MLG this year. He played in the arena qualifiers and lost to seed 2-1 and seed's good
Not a really big deal guys... He was playing in the GOM house I believe? And that's not as good as practicing in a team house, which I'm assuming he will be if he left his current team. I doubt he would leave his new team if he gets those conditions.
Only time I've seen him since he moved to Korea is when he was the stand-in in a EWM match, where he lsot First round to Tear. Maybe he have been proven as a solid pracc partner to some Koreans?
imo he only joined x6 to support him during his time away from Korea, and maybe stick with them if they offered him some really awesome badass shit, but that was unlikely. Now he will try to pursue what he wanted originally. Even though since his Korea fling he hasn't been playing as good as he is, I'm sure he wants to change that now.
Would be nice to see him join a good team, change his name back to MajOr, and start showing some badass results (as history has it though, he won't xP)
I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
On February 27 2012 15:56 mastergriggy wrote: I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
"This is a video game, not a beauty pageant"
Juan is arguably the best raw mechanics of any foreign Terran by far and has the closest real mindset to Korean Terrans as any foreigner can get, plus he was almost on eStro in sc1 for his sick dedication and work ethic. He treats Koreans with extremely high respect, because they're not the god awful foreigners.
Anyone who is surprised that people care about skill more than manner is silly. Every team should want a player like Juan, even if they don't agree with the things he has done, they should want to work towards helping him better himself as a person, while he can better them as a player for their roster.
On February 27 2012 15:56 mastergriggy wrote: I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
"This is a video game, not a beauty pageant"
Juan is arguably the best raw mechanics of any foreign Terran by far and has the closest real mindset to Korean Terrans as any foreigner can get, plus he was almost on eStro in sc1 for his sick dedication and work ethic. He treats Koreans with extremely high respect, because they're not the god awful foreigners.
Anyone who is surprised that people care about skill more than manner is silly. Every team should want a player like Juan, even if they don't agree with the things he has done, they should want to work towards helping him better himself as a person, while he can better them as a player for their roster.
Actually Kas mechanics > Major, but not by a huge margin. Other than that i agree with the rest of your statement.
No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
Why the heck can't Major be a top foreigner? This guy was considered to be a bigshot BW foreign prodigy (and then SC2 came out), and he has yet to show anything high-class in SC2 :/. I'm a bit disappointed.
On February 27 2012 15:31 Shinta) wrote: imo he only joined x6 to support him during his time away from Korea, and maybe stick with them if they offered him some really awesome badass shit, but that was unlikely. Now he will try to pursue what he wanted originally. Even though since his Korea fling he hasn't been playing as good as he is, I'm sure he wants to change that now.
Would be nice to see him join a good team, change his name back to MajOr, and start showing some badass results (as history has it though, he won't xP)
No Good team would want him, he knows no loyalty or respect.
I really don't even think this is a surprise to us anymore. Major just jumps around a lot of different teams, for better or for worse... its expected at this point.
Now the question is: how long is he going to stay with the next one and which team will he be joining?
On February 27 2012 15:56 mastergriggy wrote: I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
"This is a video game, not a beauty pageant"
Juan is arguably the best raw mechanics of any foreign Terran by far and has the closest real mindset to Korean Terrans as any foreigner can get, plus he was almost on eStro in sc1 for his sick dedication and work ethic. He treats Koreans with extremely high respect, because they're not the god awful foreigners.
Anyone who is surprised that people care about skill more than manner is silly. Every team should want a player like Juan, even if they don't agree with the things he has done, they should want to work towards helping him better himself as a person, while he can better them as a player for their roster.
Being bad mannered is one thing, but being unreliable is something completely else. A managers worst nightmare is unreliable subjects, be it either a player on a Starcraft team or a co-worker in your company. No team wants someone who has little sense of obligation, and cannot be trusted to stay for longer periods of time. Actually, any Korean would be preferable since they have a strong sense of duty and work ethic. Why should anyone want Juan over a generic Korean top player? Is Juan more charismatic? Has better skills? Has better work ethic? I guess his english is better, but that's probably it.
he's possibly one of the few foreign terran hopes + free drama and popcorn. so, just take it as a "whatever". losing major is worse than him switching teams every so often.
I've never understood the Major hype, he hasn't had a single measurable success since he got past open bracket in Columbus. Either way, good luck to him.
Isn't Juan just the less talented Naniwa right now? I mean Nani has changed a lot of teams and has been regarded as the most difficult player to manage.
On February 27 2012 15:56 mastergriggy wrote: I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
"This is a video game, not a beauty pageant"
Juan is arguably the best raw mechanics of any foreign Terran by far and has the closest real mindset to Korean Terrans as any foreigner can get, plus he was almost on eStro in sc1 for his sick dedication and work ethic. He treats Koreans with extremely high respect, because they're not the god awful foreigners.
Anyone who is surprised that people care about skill more than manner is silly. Every team should want a player like Juan, even if they don't agree with the things he has done, they should want to work towards helping him better himself as a person, while he can better them as a player for their roster.
I'm surprised you're this ignorant. You realise the reason why teams can afford to sponsor players is purely because of marketing, right? If a player isn't marketable, then it isn't a sound business decision to take him onboard. Unless of course your name is Greg Fields (where you're so infamous that you get tonnes of viewers), or Naniwa (where your results are so good that it is irrelevant what you have done)
On February 27 2012 16:47 MCDayC wrote: I've never understood the Major hype, he hasn't had a single measurable success since he got past open bracket in Columbus. Either way, good luck to him.
x2. Right now I have no reason to rate him higher than Kas(even if he have lower APM lol).
Best thing about this sort of topics is you can be garanteed to find last shadow and tt1(no caps cause they ain't worth it) there posting some random shitpost to look "special", the day you can just block certain users on TL, can't wait...
On February 27 2012 17:30 Shameless wrote: Best thing about this sort of topics is you can be garanteed to find last shadow and tt1(no caps cause they ain't worth it) there posting some random shitpost to look "special", the day you can just block certain users on TL, can't wait...
my post was ment to be sarcastic but yea.. hf finding your block command once its out...
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
On February 27 2012 15:56 mastergriggy wrote: I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
"This is a video game, not a beauty pageant"
Juan is arguably the best raw mechanics of any foreign Terran by far and has the closest real mindset to Korean Terrans as any foreigner can get, plus he was almost on eStro in sc1 for his sick dedication and work ethic. He treats Koreans with extremely high respect, because they're not the god awful foreigners.
Anyone who is surprised that people care about skill more than manner is silly. Every team should want a player like Juan, even if they don't agree with the things he has done, they should want to work towards helping him better himself as a person, while he can better them as a player for their roster.
lol ur so fucking delusional, u should start off by beating us newbi foreigners before talking shit
On February 27 2012 17:30 Shameless wrote: Best thing about this sort of topics is you can be garanteed to find last shadow and tt1(no caps cause they ain't worth it) there posting some random shitpost to look "special", the day you can just block certain users on TL, can't wait...
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
On February 27 2012 16:47 MCDayC wrote: I've never understood the Major hype, he hasn't had a single measurable success since he got past open bracket in Columbus. Either way, good luck to him.
x2. Right now I have no reason to rate him higher than Kas(even if he have lower APM lol).
I'd rate Kas higher, what does APM do if you don't use all you have. Kas results are better online and even offline. Weird you would even compare the 2. Because i have seen nothing of MajOr that the big fuss is all about, to be even be able to compare those two.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
On February 27 2012 16:47 MCDayC wrote: I've never understood the Major hype, he hasn't had a single measurable success since he got past open bracket in Columbus. Either way, good luck to him.
x2. Right now I have no reason to rate him higher than Kas(even if he have lower APM lol).
I'd rate Kas higher, what does APM do if you don't use all you have. Kas results are better online and even offline. Weird you would even compare the 2. Because i have seen nothing of MajOr that the big fuss is all about, to be even be able to compare those two.
Keep in mind Kas competes in way more tournaments then Major does so obviously he will have more results.
On February 27 2012 15:56 mastergriggy wrote: I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
"This is a video game, not a beauty pageant"
Juan is arguably the best raw mechanics of any foreign Terran by far and has the closest real mindset to Korean Terrans as any foreigner can get, plus he was almost on eStro in sc1 for his sick dedication and work ethic. He treats Koreans with extremely high respect, because they're not the god awful foreigners.
Anyone who is surprised that people care about skill more than manner is silly. Every team should want a player like Juan, even if they don't agree with the things he has done, they should want to work towards helping him better himself as a person, while he can better them as a player for their roster.
Rofl. I'm sorry, but can we think before we start talking shit. How long have you been in Korea now, guy? You're not even a blip on the radar of any scene so you're the last person entitled to call anyone a god awful foreigner.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
it's not the case that juan isn't capable of winning tournaments. it's the case of him not being forced to attend every tournament because he does not have sponsor obligations like demuslim. they're both great but in terms of talent i do believe that juan is leagues ahead.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
you have to place yourself in his shoes. if a team promises him korea, then he will sign. when they go back on their word, juan leaves and eats all the flak from the community. nobody pays attention to the details other than reading a thread title and throwing their jabs in. it's pathetic.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
you have to place yourself in his shoes. if a team promises him korea, then he will sign. when they go back on their word, juan leaves and eats all the flak from the community. nobody pays attention to the details other than reading a thread title and throwing their jabs in. it's pathetic.
I dont see anything that says x6 is going back on their word. They were supporting him in Korea and then bringing him back so they could actually get value out of him at NA tournaments most likely. People need to realize, if teams send you over to Korea, you better be damn good and give your team some good value. You cant just expect to stay there forever and not put up results.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
kas earning money, can't hate on that.
also stephano is proof that you don't need to be in korea to be one of the best there is.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
you have to place yourself in his shoes. if a team promises him korea, then he will sign. when they go back on their word, juan leaves and eats all the flak from the community. nobody pays attention to the details other than reading a thread title and throwing their jabs in. it's pathetic.
I dont see anything that says x6 is going back on their word. They were supporting him in Korea and then bringing him back so they could actually get value out of him at NA tournaments most likely. People need to realize, if teams send you over to Korea, you better be damn good and give your team some good value. You cant just expect to stay there forever and not put up results.
i wasn't talking specifically about x6, it was more directed toward sixjax. however they should know that juans number one concern is remaining in korea and those are the terms to keep him happy.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
and what constitutes him being better?
kas earning money, can't hate on that.
also stephano is proof that you don't need to be in korea to be one of the best there is.
for the record i do not dislike kas, but i respect that juan's priority is to play with the best players in the world in the mecca of esports.
stephano is an aberration, i don't think there really is an explanation for him being as good as he is. he's scary good, but i am disappointed that he does not have any interest in playing GSL.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
You are quite delusional if you think that is actually true ^^
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
Are you implying that one series makes Demuslim the best foreigner terran? Because Demuslim has no tournament wins either.
For more consistent results look at Kas, Thorzain. Yeah even they are somewhat inconsistent, but that seems to be how foreigner terrans are.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
also stephano is proof that you don't need to be in korea to be one of the best there is.
for the record i do not dislike kas, but i respect that juan's priority is to play with the best players in the world in the mecca of esports.
stephano is an aberration, i don't think there really is an explanation for him being as good as he is. he's scary good, but i am disappointed that he does not have any interest in playing GSL.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
You are quite delusional if you think that is actually true ^^
Ummm what has Major done to prove he is better than Kas? Major's biggest accomplishment is winning the Blizzard LA Invitational which wasn't filled with great players. While Kas recently took 3rd at WCG and 3rd at IEM Kiev. And those are just recent results that are way better than anything Major has done.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
You are quite delusional if you think that is actually true ^^
Give me one reason why? And yeah, kinda pointless as well b/c Major haven't been doing many tours, while Kas have. But fact is Kas is one of the best foreign terrans to date(until Major proves otherwise).
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
You are quite delusional if you think that is actually true ^^
No, its perfectly logical to think that way.
Major or Juan or whatever you want to call him has absolutely 0 results in actual tournaments or games that matter. All we have speaking for him is hearsay and a decent rank in the KR ladder. Believing that these things make him the absolute best foreigner terran and calling any differing opinions delusional is ridiculous.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
Are you implying that one series makes Demuslim the best foreigner terran? Because Demuslim has no tournament wins either.
For more consistent results look at Kas, Thorzain. Yeah even they are somewhat inconsistent, but that seems to be how foreigner terrans are.
I didn't imply anything. I said demuslim has juan beat, did I ever say demuslim was the best? I definitely think Kas and Thorzain are better than demuslim and I definitely think demuslim is better than juan. I've seen the replays artosis commentated on in the artosis hour and him beating nestea but those were ladder games. Tournaments my friend.. have a lot more pressure riding on them and demuslim proved himself.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
Are you implying that one series makes Demuslim the best foreigner terran? Because Demuslim has no tournament wins either.
For more consistent results look at Kas, Thorzain. Yeah even they are somewhat inconsistent, but that seems to be how foreigner terrans are.
I didn't imply anything. I said demuslim has juan beat, did I ever say demuslim was the best? I definitely think Kas and Thorzain are better than demuslim and I definitely think demuslim is better than juan. I've seen the replays artosis commentated on in the artosis hour and him beating nestea but those were ladder games. Tournaments my friend.. have a lot more pressure riding on them and demuslim proved himself.
You didn't, I just thought it was odd that you used Demuslim as an example for a player that is better than Juan when they are both quite similar with no results. I guess I read too much into it.
"Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu."
People are arguing that Major is a better terran than Kas..?! Hahahah. Wtf. Just because he's played in Korea doesn't make him any better than a non-"playing in korea" foreigner..
Looking forward to what team Juan will jump to next, and what name. (with mixed feelings, he once again left a team not half a year after joining it, however this time he might have a good reason.)
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
You also need to calibrate your mind reading abilities, because I never treated this as ragequit. He is just following a familiar pattern of switching teams very often, which is never good to have on your résumé. It doesn't spark much sympathy in the general audience either, except for a few people who think skill and "hard work" is all that matters and everything else is not even secondary.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Kas is making himself and his team money, pretty sure thats the goal of most pros and pro teams in any sport, including sc2. While Juan is doing neither. Once he post results and get people wanting to watch his games then it will be a different story.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
Kas is still really good and Korean players respect him. He beat MKP 2-0 at WCG. Also completely raped Zenio in groupstages then won 2-1 i think in a close series in the 3rd/4th place match against him.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
Are you implying that one series makes Demuslim the best foreigner terran? Because Demuslim has no tournament wins either.
For more consistent results look at Kas, Thorzain. Yeah even they are somewhat inconsistent, but that seems to be how foreigner terrans are.
I didn't imply anything. I said demuslim has juan beat, did I ever say demuslim was the best? I definitely think Kas and Thorzain are better than demuslim and I definitely think demuslim is better than juan. I've seen the replays artosis commentated on in the artosis hour and him beating nestea but those were ladder games. Tournaments my friend.. have a lot more pressure riding on them and demuslim proved himself.
I can't believe how people like you can be so incredibly stupid and think that X player is better than X player just because he beat someone like NesTea in a fucking bo3.
No shit Juan doesn't have any results as of lately, he's been sitting in a fucking team house, doing nothing but practicing for the last 4 months. How can you show results without participating in anything?
Not to mention how ridicolously off-topic his actual play is, this thread is about Juan being released from his former team to join a new team which he got an offer from ALREADY.
Would be nice if Mods would hand out bans to people who are too dumb/lazy to even read the OP correctly or just come here to troll about Juan leaving a team or bashing his skill.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
You are quite delusional if you think that is actually true ^^
Sorry, but the delusional one is you. Major is not close to being as good as Kas. Major can't even go through the open brackets of MLG. It's funny how people look at Major playing on stream and listen to Artosis hype and have delusions that Major is suddenly the best foreign terran. His competition results are mediocre at best.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
Kas is still really good and Korean players respect him. He beat MKP 2-0 at WCG. Also completely raped Zenio in groupstages then won 2-1 i think in a close series in the 3rd/4th place match against him.
LS comment in term of "Mechanic",Juan have better mechanic than kas not the result.
Well Majors mechanics have never been the problem though. What he has yet to prove is how well he can cope with the pressure of performing on stage, whether he is able to think out-of-the-box and if he has a good crisis management in "weird" situations. Because so far that is what kept him back. All those points mentioned are crucial factors that distinguish great tournament players like Naniwa or Stephano, Thorzain or maybe Kas from ladder-/cg-heroes. That is why results matter when you try to compare the skill level of players because just refering to mechanics is pointless.
On February 27 2012 21:38 Irrational_Animal wrote: Well Majors mechanics have never been the problem though. What he has yet to prove is how well he can cope with the pressure of performing on stage, whether he is able to think out-of-the-box and if he has a good crisis management in "weird" situations. Because so far that is what kept him back. All those points mentioned are crucial factors that distinguish great tournament players like Naniwa or Stephano, Thorzain or maybe Kas from ladder-/cg-heroes. That is why results matter when you try to compare the skill level of players because just refering to mechanics is pointless.
Actually Kas mechanics > Major, but not by a huge margin. Other than that i agree with the rest of your statement
This is the begining of the argument, some one said that kas mechanic > major -_- .
On February 27 2012 19:05 RuMCaKe wrote: My personal favorite piece of the article.
"Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu."
I am so glad you saw that. We put it in there JUST for you guys lol.
On February 27 2012 22:24 monkeycid wrote: So. From SixJax to x6, but where to now? I think it's obvious: Hot6iX will soon announce their new progaming team, captained by 6ixMajOr.
rofl... totally. Or maybe an upgrade to infinity seven perhaps?
It's like the bad B-movie that keeps using every movie cliche shamelessly, making you wonder if it is even doing it intentionally in the first place...
I wanted to doubt the haters Juan.... WHY YOU DOIN THIS TO ME?!?! D:
loyalty none in this case tells a lot about a person. Better offer or not x6 to whatever new team has nothing to do with it. Just the fact you jump from team to team I am not saying DONT take better offers because well that would be dumb. Just his passed solutions have been dumb.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
MajOr has always wanted to be in a real Korean team house so he can progress and sharpen his skills. This new deal may be the first time he's had that opportunity. If it does turn out that way, I have no doubt he will stay on the team.
I used to watch his stream all the time and he is a good player, he needs to start making some waves soon though to prove his worth and how good he really is.
Last I heard of him was when he was practicing with the EG guys on stream and DeMusliM was BM-ing him
GL to Juan, would love to see him tearing up an MLG or online tourney with his new deal
naniwa has been in 5 teams since sc2 started, juan in 2(he played in root for fun as amateur) how does that make juan a clan hopper? you guys need to get a clue and stop hating just to hate T_T
On February 28 2012 03:47 desRow wrote: naniwa has been in 5 teams since sc2 started, juan in 2(he played in root for fun as amateur) how does that make juan a clan hopper? you guys need to get a clue and stop hating just to hate T_T
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
and in other news, water is wet and the grass is green....
but really, if this guy didn't have artosis hype would anyone even care??? the guy hasn't shown anything at any tournament that I can think of, maybe at one MLG he did some damage but that was all...
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Well, considering he has really hyped ToD and now Major (who are/were both living with him at the same teamhouse) he might be just a bit biased towards those guys.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Indeed i have no idea how people can even try to compare the two, Kas has put up results Major none that i know of.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
Kas maybe have 150apm and on WCG MKP had 300 but Kas still demolished him so comparing Kas apm to someone who never won anyone is hilarious.
Look at Kas match history at TLPD and look at his and their opponents, Kas even beat him already 2-0.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
Shut up. Tear is fucking sick! He's on FXO. He's such a good protoss :D
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
There's no comparison man. Kas is a league above. I think Major would even agree with that.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Nobody but you has mentioned whether Major was better or not. Just that when you watch his play he is cleaner with his execution. Which is very subjective to begin with.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
Lol, came in late in the discussion and thought it was about who was better, not better mechanics. I do agree that MajOr has better mechanics (he was one of the most mechanical players even before he went to KR, he must be beastly now)
BUT, that being said, Kas would beat MajOr bo5 9 out of 10 times, I am sure. He has shown time and time again what kind of caliber player he is, showing he is capable of destroying Code S-veterans. But his greatest strength isn't mechanics though, tru dat..
I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?
On February 28 2012 04:44 knekten wrote: Lol at the discussion about who is better 'tween Major and Kas... Kas is obviously better and until MajOr starts winning some shit there's not even a point to discussing it. Kas has already proven how good he is, COUNTLESS times, and proven that he is still improving, capable of destroying Korean Code S players. Now, what does MajOr have against that? Oh lastshadow says he's good and has a little more apm. Hah...
I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so fucking great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?
No Code A quali since he moved? :o, there might have been on literally as he moved but we have no real indication of his skill level on a tournament stage.
CheckSix handled his dismissal very well, unlike other teams....*cough* ROOT *cough.*
I think we still forget that Juan is just a kid (17 years old) so for those expecting him to act like an adult, just remember that at 17, we were impulsive too.
On February 28 2012 04:47 Doriboi wrote: CheckSix handled his dismissal very well, unlike other teams....*cough* ROOT *cough.*
I think we still forget that Juan is just a kid (17 years old) so for those expecting him to act like an adult, just remember that at 17, we were impulsive too.
Best of luck to both parties.
I have a theory, we are all deeply stupid untill we reach something like 22 - 23 xD
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
What has Major done to prove he is better than either of those guys? Sjow is at the top of income earners from prize money among foreigners in sc2. Goody's 2nd in the Battle of Berlin is better than anything Major has done.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Nobody but you has mentioned whether Major was better or not. Just that when you watch his play he is cleaner with his execution. Which is very subjective to begin with.
Why're getting so angry, good sir.
Umm I was called delusional for defending the notion that Kas is better than Major. I didn't bring it up. What is the point of good mechanics if you can't put them to good use with good decision making? Idra has amazing mechanics, yet what holds him back is his decision making. All I'm getting at is there is more to sc2 than just mechanics, just like there is more to basketball than the physical aspect. There have been plenty of physical freaks who haven't panned out in the NBA because they don't have the mental aspect of the game down.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
Major is very goot at starcraft but still he hasn't won anything good, I think he is too nervous @Lan events. He has to learn to play @Lan events or this team changing will continue.
On February 28 2012 04:44 knekten wrote: Lol at the discussion about who is better 'tween Major and Kas... Kas is obviously better and until MajOr starts winning some shit there's not even a point to discussing it. Kas has already proven how good he is, COUNTLESS times, and proven that he is still improving, capable of destroying Korean Code S players. Now, what does MajOr have against that? Oh lastshadow says he's good and has a little more apm. Hah...
I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so fucking great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?
No Code A quali since he moved? :o, there might have been on literally as he moved but we have no real indication of his skill level on a tournament stage.
Wow really? Thought those were held every month or something..
Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
Major is talented, but your comment about goody and sjow is just wrong. Sjow has showed that he can take games off good Koreans same with goody to say they wouldn't even get high master is just wrong.
On February 28 2012 04:44 knekten wrote: Lol at the discussion about who is better 'tween Major and Kas... Kas is obviously better and until MajOr starts winning some shit there's not even a point to discussing it. Kas has already proven how good he is, COUNTLESS times, and proven that he is still improving, capable of destroying Korean Code S players. Now, what does MajOr have against that? Oh lastshadow says he's good and has a little more apm. Hah...
I dont doubt for a second that MajOr has improved alot since when he went to KR, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in a tournament or just streaming here on TL, but if he really is so fucking great, why haven't he gotten into Code A yet?
No Code A quali since he moved? :o, there might have been on literally as he moved but we have no real indication of his skill level on a tournament stage.
Wow really? Thought those were held every month or something..
Not any longer, but I'm pretty sure he played in the latest ones and got knocked out in the third round or something.
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
Major hasn't even done well in big tournaments. His best showing has been making it to pool play at MLG Columbus. Sjow has outperformed him the entire time.
Major has been all hype so far. Everyone talks about his mechanics and how good they are, but there is more to the game than that. Lets see some actual results from the guy before we start putting him above people who have won and performed well in big tournaments.
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics.
And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major.
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
Actually GoOdy was a great BW players... I don't know where you're getting this information from, but it's completely wrong.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
Well seeing as how me, a high master NA Terran was able to get to a decent masters level on KR and play GM players a few times I would venture to say you are wrong.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
Well seeing as how me, a high master NA Terran was able to get to a decent masters level on KR and play GM players a few times I would venture to say you are wrong.
desRow is playing with high masters/GM on korean server, this make him a top protoss player?
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
He got wrecked by Curious just like Gumiho and Oz who both got stomped too. I bet these two are pretty bad too by your logic ;p
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote: And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
When SjoW was at the FXO house he streamed and I'm pretty sure his account was high masters.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
Read my post again, I'm not even comparing them as players, I'm saying they have accomplished way more than Major has.
Which is true, because we are still waiting for Majors breakout performance, despite all the hype that has surrounded him for over a year now.
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics.
And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major.
You are calling Stephanos mechanics _amazing_? The Stephano that only use 4 hotkeys (1-4), with grid hotkeys and no F-keys and every unit on 1 except infestors as zerg? That if anything is a sign on weak mechanics. But your standard are pretty low if you call that amazing mechanics I gotta say.
GreEny K, great by what standards lol?
Leaving this now. Just off topic shitstorm that wont lead anywhere. I guess we just have to wait for major to play some tournament or games against kas/sjow/goody.
All this talk of APM and SC1 team try-outs is irrelevant. Major will be considered a top foreigner when he gets the results of a top foreigner. Until then he'll remain 'that guy you hear about once every 3 months when he switches team.'
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
SjoW got top 8 at MLG and won IESF this autumn, most of his recent results are even better than Majors. I know Major is a really talented player, but seriously i dont give a shit about mechanics and apm! There is one element that you can find in each esport, and it might very well be the most important one of them all, and the is performing under pressure. It's mostly this element that makes a player good, mechanics, apm, gamesense, whatever, they wont help you if you cant even perform under pressure. You can't argue with that logic of yours because it's stupid, no matter how inferior Sjow or Goodys mechanics, apm, etc. may be, they've still performed a thousand times better than Major has at any event during 2011, and that's what makes a player GOOD.
It doesn't change shit that Major is top 70 GM in Korea, online warrior =/= top tier player. And if we're going to talk about shit that Majors mechanics makes him a better player than Sjow. I'd rather trust the FXO guys and Bomber who called SjoW a mastermind and one of the smartest foreigner players.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
In their current forms? I absolutely think Sjow is better than Jinro. Goody, probably not, but its not far off. Jinro has fallen hard. I hope he bounces back big, his GSL semi-finals runs hooked me on competitive sc2. And unlike Major, at least we have seen Jinro have results.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
Actually, if Sjow and Goody were to play a BO5 against Jinro I would always bet against Jinro.
They are not just playing mass tournaments, they are actually pretty damn good.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
sjow and goody have accomplished more than jinro in the past year too. by that logic they are better than jinro, right? mass tournament gaming results do not indicate a more skilled player.
Yes, they are better than Jinro and MajOr.
also GoOdy beat jinro at dreamhack, SjoW's and GoOdy's decision makings superior to major's.
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics.
And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major.
You are calling Stephanos mechanics _amazing_? The Stephano that only use 4 hotkeys (1-4), with grid hotkeys and no F-keys and every unit on 1 except infestors as zerg? That if anything is a sign on weak mechanics. But your standard are pretty low if you call that amazing mechanics I gotta say.
GreEny K, great by what standards lol?
Leaving this now. Just off topic shitstorm that wont lead anywhere. I guess we just have to wait for major to play some tournament or games against kas/sjow/goody.
I didn't know that mechanics meant that you had to use F keys even if you don't need them, or multiple unnecessary hotkeys. Does he miss injects? Does his macro slip when he microes fights? I don't think you have any idea what mechanics are... On the other hand we have major who might have very good mechanics but couldn't split marines if his life depended on it.
Why do teams even bother with this clown any more? You'd think with his track record they'd get the hint that maybe he's just not supposed to be part of a team.
On February 28 2012 05:50 FuRRyChoBo wrote: Why do teams even bother with this clown any more? You'd think with his track record they'd get the hint that maybe he's just not supposed to be part of a team.
He's only been on three teams, dont just jump on the bandwagon and start talking shit.
On February 28 2012 05:50 FuRRyChoBo wrote: Why do teams even bother with this clown any more? You'd think with his track record they'd get the hint that maybe he's just not supposed to be part of a team.
He's only been on three teams, dont just jump on the bandwagon and start talking shit.
This. Also people must not reading the article. Major was offered a better deal with a different team and x6 released him so he could pursue it. It's not like he spat on every member there and left, they chose to support his decision.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
He got wrecked by Curious just like Gumiho and Oz who both got stomped too. I bet these two are pretty bad too by your logic ;p
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote: And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
When SjoW was at the FXO house he streamed and I'm pretty sure his account was high masters.
Major is a good player, but comparing him to world class players with tangible accomplishments in major tournaments is silly. He certainly has the talent and can beat any of them in a match on a given day, but you can say that about so many other people... he's definitely a great player though.
I was actually just thinking this past weekend while watching mlg, hey I haven't heard about major in a while. No new name or team for a couple of months, and then this. I guess congrats to major on his move? It'll be interesting to see what team he joins.
On February 28 2012 04:55 Gosi wrote: Also something like everyone forgets when they talk about how major hasn't won anything while players like sjow has won many things is that major started out with sc2 really really late. Most of the things a player like sjow has won was before major even played sc2...
And how that makes sjow a better player by winning shit one year ago when the game and everyone was even more bad than now, that I don't understand.
On February 28 2012 04:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:40 Gosi wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
They care about that because the whole thing got started because major > kas in mechanics? Not who is the best player or who has the best tournament results, it was mechanics. And anyone who think Kas, or any other foreigner except high level BW foreigners like Ret and IdrA has better mechanics than major don't know what they are talking about. He is known for his strong BW mechanics, he played in GosI and got a tryout with estro(?), you think a player like Kas or any other sc2 foreigner has the mechanics to play at that level? You think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2? lol please.
And what makes you say that sjow and goody are better than major? They would be nobodys if they would play on KR, I bet they wouldn't even get high master tbh.
You know Goody played BW right? and Sjow has been to Korea and won a series in Code A btw.
Yes, I know Goody played BW. Why? He was not good at all. And Sjow didn't win that serie, Maka lost it. Sjow got fucking outplayed and couldn't keep up but Maka threw the series away. SjoW would not even been in Code A if it wasn't for the invite he got. But I heard it went well for SjoW after that win. Heh...
You "you think you get those mechanics from wc3 and then sc2" implying only good mechanics come from BW, while Goody, who has bad mechanics, come from Broodwar and guys like Stephano, who played wc3 have amazing mechanics.
And say what you will, Sjow won a series in Code A. And yeah he was given a Code A seed by performing well at MLG, you know who he outperformed? Major.
You are calling Stephanos mechanics _amazing_? The Stephano that only use 4 hotkeys (1-4), with grid hotkeys and no F-keys and every unit on 1 except infestors as zerg? That if anything is a sign on weak mechanics. But your standard are pretty low if you call that amazing mechanics I gotta say.
GreEny K, great by what standards lol?
Leaving this now. Just off topic shitstorm that wont lead anywhere. I guess we just have to wait for major to play some tournament or games against kas/sjow/goody.
I didn't know that mechanics meant that you had to use F keys even if you don't need them, or multiple unnecessary hotkeys. Does he miss injects? Does his macro slip when he microes fights? I don't think you have any idea what mechanics are... On the other hand we have major who might have very good mechanics but couldn't split marines if his life depended on it.
mechanic contain of Micro ,Marco ,Mouse accuracy ,Hand speed ,screen changing etc. also good player need to use that fucking F key,it make them faster than scroll mouse from main base to 2nd or 3rd base. etc.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
Tourney achievements and accomplishments are a good indicator of skill but by no means are they the final arbiter of who is the best at this game. It is totally possible someone who hasn't had the opportunity to go to many LANs could be more skillful than people that do, and just hasn't demonstrated it yet.
For example, I would be willing to bet their are over 200 koreans most of us can't name that are more skillful than most random NA or EU pros, despite the fact that have no tourney accomplishments. The same could be true for Major, and probably is given the people testifying for his skill (Lastshadow, Artosis, etc).
Of course player A could be much better than player B
Player A - mainly practicing and staying out of the spotlight Player B - participates in tournaments and achieves some success
Yet
Players will always be measured by their achievements. You can be unknown and one of the best in the world but if you lack the success in tournaments you will always be neglected. In order to remove all shadow of a doubt you will have to prove it on the big stage sooner or later.
On February 28 2012 13:09 Pokebunny wrote: Major is a good player, but comparing him to world class players with tangible accomplishments in major tournaments is silly. He certainly has the talent and can beat any of them in a match on a given day, but you can say that about so many other people... he's definitely a great player though.
i couldnt agree more...
I think major/pokebunny/illusion/kawaiirice all of them same and really talented players, but comparing them to world class players/major tournament winners like SjoW is really silly.
I mean Major isnt something special, sc2 have a lot of talented/young players like Major.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16!
Sup?
What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server?
On February 27 2012 16:16 lastshadow wrote: No, Kas is handicapped compared to Juan, please never say things like that, lol Juan has 200eapm in TvZ/TvP, Kas has 150 (using the Korean apm thing). If you watch Juan IRL you'd see the difference lol.
LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16!
Sup?
What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server?
this post is like the best proof ever that citing 1 win doesnt mean anything about a players skill.
Hm, I`m not the biggest Goody fan, but he has won so many Bo3s vs players of the skill region Nerchio, Kas, Socke, Beasty etc. So pls when you compare players do it in a respectful way.
On February 28 2012 02:08 dragonborn wrote: [quote] LOL, kas mechanics/mindset/gameplay is superior to gositerran.
Gositerran and you crying about protoss and Kas beating protoss players left and right.
Also Kas managed to beat "Big guns" in major tournaments like WCG/IEM Kiev, meanwhile gositerran losing some random korean player calling as Tear...
and if you want to talk about apm, merz's apm is 430
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16!
Sup?
What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server?
this post is like the best proof ever that citing 1 win doesnt mean anything about a players skill.
At least better than saying "he is playing on korean server, so talented and dont care about foreign tournaments bla bla bla"
Pokebunny/kawaiirice and Illusion on same level with Major, he isnt something special.
Stop being idiots. It's all on his wiki page. Major won the Latin America Battle Net Invitational 2011.
Since then he's been in and out of Korea and since he's a minor living with his mother, he can't travel to tournaments on his own without a strong sponsorship, which it sounds like he is getting.
On February 28 2012 03:53 ShatterZer0 wrote: [quote]
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but seeing as Major hasn't had a streamed tournament game in three months... You seem to be bang out of luck.
Also, what credentials do you have to doubt lastshadow?
Take a few replays from a Major replay pack and a Kas replay pack... the difference is pretty damn immense. Kas might have a better mindset and MAYBE even better decision making, but the cleanliness and finesse of his general play is nothing in comparison.
Also, Merz's apm might be high but his map awareness is comparatively terrible when contrasted with Kas or Major... Notice that lastshadow was citing eapm, of which, Merz's isn't much higher than the average progamer.
who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16!
Sup?
What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server?
this post is like the best proof ever that citing 1 win doesnt mean anything about a players skill.
At least better than saying "he is playing on korean server, so talented and dont care about foreign tournaments bla bla bla"
Pokebunny/kawaiirice and Illusion on same level with Major, he isnt something special.
Think whatever you want. When he's on a Korean team and Goody is fallen out of the scene we will see who is in more tournaments.
On February 28 2012 04:12 jmbthirteen wrote: [quote] who the fuck cares about APM, eAPM, CPM or any of this shit? Kas is the superior player and quite frankly its not close right now. Hell Sjow and Goody are slow and yet they are still better than Major. Major has been all hype.
And desrow, Juan has been on 4 teams, well now 5 with this new one. He was joining ONE before ROOT and ditched them at the last second.
Sjow and Goody arent better than Major wtf
Sjow and Goody have both accomplished way more than Major has though.
Maybe they have worse mechanics, but they can bring their a-game when its necessary.
I don't even understand how you can put Goody, who gets supply blocked more than a regular master player, in the same league as Major...
Goody is nowhere near Major in skill. Pretty damn sure Major would beat Sjow anyday too.
It's quite simple. Goody so far has much more accomplishments than major, so actually major is not in the same league as goody. Unless you're counting all his clan hopping as an accomplishment, even then he wouldn't have even close to half of what goody does. And before you flame, no I am not a fan of goody.
What exactly has Goody accomplished? Winning German events and maybe a few online cups? Major obviously doesn't care at all about those tournaments. He's in Korea, that's his only goal. I guarantee you MajOr is much more talented than Goody. If he has inferior results it's because he doesnt give a shit about those small tournaments.
GoOdy played final at Battle in Berlin and beat stephano in semi final, qualified for TSL 3 and played round of 16!
Sup?
What about major? losing Tear in online tournament and laddering on korean server?
this post is like the best proof ever that citing 1 win doesnt mean anything about a players skill.
At least better than saying "he is playing on korean server, so talented and dont care about foreign tournaments bla bla bla"
Pokebunny/kawaiirice and Illusion on same level with Major, he isnt something special.
Think whatever you want. When he's on a Korean team and Goody is fallen out of the scene we will see who is in more tournaments.
GoOdy falen out of the scene? never! GoOdy still beating players like ret,Kas in offline tournaments.
On February 29 2012 01:38 Jinsho wrote: Stop being idiots. It's all on his wiki page. Major won the Latin America Battle Net Invitational 2011.
Since then he's been in and out of Korea and since he's a minor living with his mother, he can't travel to tournaments on his own without a strong sponsorship, which it sounds like he is getting.
beating ReasoN/CatZ and dKiLLeR is such a great achivement, isnt it?(no player bashing here, just saying they are not on ret's or nerchio's level.)
edit:
On February 29 2012 01:46 sc2superfan101 wrote: i have only the vaugest idea who any of these players are, and i have no idea how the TLPD ELO thing works, so take this how you will but:
Goody ELO rank: 172 win record: 859-637 (57.42%)
SJow ELO rank: 73 win record: 554-423 (56.70%)
Illusion (i assume you mean VileIllusion?) ELO rank: 132 win record: 47-43 (52.22%)
Major ELO rank (holy hell he's gotta a lot of AKAs): 125 win record: 147-96 (60.49%)
seems to me that there shouldn't be too much argument about who is better. take that how you will.
yep, you definitely have no idea about how TLPD works.
GoOdy's and SjoW's win rate is lower than major because of they are played more game(tournaments than major.
something about your post is annoying me (mainly the fact of cherry picking the wins for one and the other) so i looked it up. again, take this how you will:
k... and what's your point? i didn't say that one was better than the other.... tbh, i don't think any of them are top-tier so... i was just throwin out some facts.
k... and what's your point? i didn't say that one was better than the other.... tbh, i don't think any of them are top-tier so... i was just throwin out some facts.
Then stop throwing randomly some facts, because major isnt good/accomplished as GoOdy and SjoW.
I think Major is better than everyone in Code S at the moment. Well not by results, but his pure talent is way better than anyone in GSL/Code S has. Maybe more talent than Da Vinci, or Messi, Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Mark Zuckerberg.
In talent, he maybe the best to ever roamed this world. In talent, you can't prove me wrong.
But as far as results go, Major probably isn't that good. Yet. Or maybe he never will. But he got the talent! Or does he? Hmm.
k... and what's your point? i didn't say that one was better than the other.... tbh, i don't think any of them are top-tier so... i was just throwin out some facts.
Then stop throwing randomly some facts, because major isnt good/accomplished as GoOdy and SjoW.
K, this obviously is really a hot-topic with you so (your the first reply on the thread with a kind of snarky comment) i'll just leave you be. but i do want to put it out there that i'm still pretty sure that's not how ELO works.
On February 27 2012 08:26 SabreUK wrote: Almost certainly a korean team. I presume his great performance on KR ladder with NoNge account (before it tanked MMR) and desRow account has gotten him noticed. Go Juan
Good Luck to both sides though, their doen't seem to be a bitter aftertaste in this one which is unusual for Major.
k... and what's your point? i didn't say that one was better than the other.... tbh, i don't think any of them are top-tier so... i was just throwin out some facts.
Then stop throwing randomly some facts, because major isnt good/accomplished as GoOdy and SjoW.
K, this obviously is really a hot-topic with you so (your the first reply on the thread with a kind of snarky comment) i'll just leave you be. but i do want to put it out there that i'm still pretty sure that's not how ELO works.
When you playing more game than other players, your win rate gets lower and lower.
SjoW's win rate in short term(same game number with major) is like 80%ish, because of SjoW is solid in all match ups.
MajOr's vZ = 52-32 +20 win and 61.90% win rate
SjoW's vZ : 160-130 (55.17%) = +30 with 55.17% win rate, because of SjoW played more game than MajOr.Also SjoW's all time vZ opponents is harder than major's.
k... and what's your point? i didn't say that one was better than the other.... tbh, i don't think any of them are top-tier so... i was just throwin out some facts.
Then stop throwing randomly some facts, because major isnt good/accomplished as GoOdy and SjoW.
K, this obviously is really a hot-topic with you so (your the first reply on the thread with a kind of snarky comment) i'll just leave you be. but i do want to put it out there that i'm still pretty sure that's not how ELO works.
When you playing more game than other players, your win rate gets lower and lower.
SjoW's win rate in short term(same game number with major) is like 80%ish, because of SjoW is solid in all match ups.
MajOr's vZ = 52-32 +20 win and 61.90% win rate
SjoW's vZ : 160-130 (55.17%) = +30 with 55.17% win rate, because of SjoW played more game than MajOr.Also SjoW's all time vZ opponents is harder than major's.
dont pretend to understand mathematics. its disgusting.
On February 29 2012 02:46 Novalisk wrote: It will soon reach a point where it's easy to predict Maj0r's next team, just by looking at the list of teams he wasn't a part of.
You know, after going through this thread. I don't think people realize that Major has only been on three teams so far. x6, ROOT, and sixjax. Naniwa alone doubles the amount of teams Major has been on, and HuK has even been on more teams than him. It seems to me people just join the bandwagon and assume that Major has been on 15 teams now.
On February 29 2012 02:46 Novalisk wrote: It will soon reach a point where it's easy to predict Maj0r's next team, just by looking at the list of teams he wasn't a part of.
You know, after going through this thread. I don't think people realize that Major has only been on three teams so far. x6, ROOT, and sixjax. Naniwa alone doubles the amount of teams Major has been on, and HuK has even been on more teams than him. It seems to me people just join the bandwagon and assume that Major has been on 15 teams now.
Might be because he went through 15 different names.
On February 29 2012 02:46 Novalisk wrote: It will soon reach a point where it's easy to predict Maj0r's next team, just by looking at the list of teams he wasn't a part of.
You know, after going through this thread. I don't think people realize that Major has only been on three teams so far. x6, ROOT, and sixjax. Naniwa alone doubles the amount of teams Major has been on, and HuK has even been on more teams than him. It seems to me people just join the bandwagon and assume that Major has been on 15 teams now.
But see, Naniwa had a very long stint on Dignitas, Huk was on Liquid for a long time. These guys actually fulfilled their contracts with those teams. Major hasn't done that.
Also a lot of their team switching was done very early in sc2 when nothing was really established.
On February 29 2012 02:46 Novalisk wrote: It will soon reach a point where it's easy to predict Maj0r's next team, just by looking at the list of teams he wasn't a part of.
You know, after going through this thread. I don't think people realize that Major has only been on three teams so far. x6, ROOT, and sixjax. Naniwa alone doubles the amount of teams Major has been on, and HuK has even been on more teams than him. It seems to me people just join the bandwagon and assume that Major has been on 15 teams now.
Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu.
Isn't this kind of shady? Has there ever been any precedent when a team essentially kept a free agent as ringer before?
Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu.
Isn't this kind of shady? Has there ever been any precedent when a team essentially kept a free agent as ringer before?
ReIGN is doing it for IPL TAC, having their players pay their matches until they find a new team.
Pretty sure it will be Infinity Seven. Main reason is I was watching Demuslim's stream and he got a custom game invite from iSTerran... Could be a coincidence of course.
"Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu."
Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu.
Isn't this kind of shady? Has there ever been any precedent when a team essentially kept a free agent as ringer before?
ReIGN is doing it for IPL TAC, having their players pay their matches until they find a new team.
ReIGN is different though, that team actually dissolved. It's either they play out IPL as the players formerly on ReIGN or forfeit rest of the season, which can realistically mess up the team league rankings badly. Most people applaud the ReIGN players for finishing off their obligations to the fans.
Check 6, on the other hand, got plenty of bodies left. They're in no danger of forfeiting the season, so keeping MajOr on board is purely a move to improve their ESEA finish. If that's okay, what's stopping the other team from hiring MC for a day or something equally ridiculous? (maybe not MC, but SjoW is free agent right now)
Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu.
Isn't this kind of shady? Has there ever been any precedent when a team essentially kept a free agent as ringer before?
ReIGN is doing it for IPL TAC, having their players pay their matches until they find a new team.
ReIGN is different though, that team actually dissolved. It's either they play out IPL as the players formerly on ReIGN or forfeit rest of the season, which can realistically mess up the team league rankings badly. Most people applaud the ReIGN players for finishing off their obligations to the fans.
Check 6, on the other hand, got plenty of bodies left. They're in no danger of forfeiting the season, so keeping MajOr on board is purely a move to improve their ESEA finish. If that's okay, what's stopping the other team from hiring MC for a day or something equally ridiculous? (maybe not MC, but SjoW is free agent right now)
I don't know what IPL does, but if I'm not mistaken, in the GSTL you a set in stone lineup for the entire season that cannot be changed. You can't add players mid-season. And I'm going to assume that MajOr told CheckSix that he was going to play out the IPL season, and if the IPL does what the GSTL does, he'd still be on the lineup and can play for CheckSix.
Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu.
Isn't this kind of shady? Has there ever been any precedent when a team essentially kept a free agent as ringer before?
ReIGN is doing it for IPL TAC, having their players pay their matches until they find a new team.
ReIGN is different though, that team actually dissolved. It's either they play out IPL as the players formerly on ReIGN or forfeit rest of the season, which can realistically mess up the team league rankings badly. Most people applaud the ReIGN players for finishing off their obligations to the fans.
Check 6, on the other hand, got plenty of bodies left. They're in no danger of forfeiting the season, so keeping MajOr on board is purely a move to improve their ESEA finish. If that's okay, what's stopping the other team from hiring MC for a day or something equally ridiculous? (maybe not MC, but SjoW is free agent right now)
I don't know what IPL does, but if I'm not mistaken, in the GSTL you a set in stone lineup for the entire season that cannot be changed. You can't add players mid-season. And I'm going to assume that MajOr told CheckSix that he was going to play out the IPL season, and if the IPL does what the GSTL does, he'd still be on the lineup and can play for CheckSix.
Check 6 isn't playing in IPL, they're playing in the ESEA playoffs. Not sure what the ruleset on ESEA said about whether teams can employee free agents or not.
Knowing ESEA though, even if it was against the rules it won't matter.
Although no longer on the team, Lopez will play out the rest of the ESEA season with CheckSix Gaming, which will be held throughout the week of February 27th against Its Gosu.
Isn't this kind of shady? Has there ever been any precedent when a team essentially kept a free agent as ringer before?
ReIGN is doing it for IPL TAC, having their players pay their matches until they find a new team.
ReIGN is different though, that team actually dissolved. It's either they play out IPL as the players formerly on ReIGN or forfeit rest of the season, which can realistically mess up the team league rankings badly. Most people applaud the ReIGN players for finishing off their obligations to the fans.
Check 6, on the other hand, got plenty of bodies left. They're in no danger of forfeiting the season, so keeping MajOr on board is purely a move to improve their ESEA finish. If that's okay, what's stopping the other team from hiring MC for a day or something equally ridiculous? (maybe not MC, but SjoW is free agent right now)
I don't know what IPL does, but if I'm not mistaken, in the GSTL you a set in stone lineup for the entire season that cannot be changed. You can't add players mid-season. And I'm going to assume that MajOr told CheckSix that he was going to play out the IPL season, and if the IPL does what the GSTL does, he'd still be on the lineup and can play for CheckSix.
Check 6 isn't playing in IPL, they're playing in the ESEA playoffs. Not sure what the ruleset on ESEA said about whether teams can employee free agents or not.
Knowing ESEA though, even if it was against the rules it won't matter.
For future reference, CheckSix keeps no amount of winnings that any player of ours (in any games) earns. So, if a player wants to finish out a league season, it would probably be because they want the most amount of money they can get by putting forth the best lineup. Congratulations to It's Gosu for the win regardless.
On March 04 2012 11:54 KicKDoG wrote: what's the story about lastshadow and major being non-mutual anymore? O_o thought they were like very good friends! ;-(
lastshadow still saying major is the best foreigner terran, i dont think they have any problem right now...
I hear about Major every couple of months but haven't really gotten to see him play much. With this new opportunity I hope I get to see him more, especially after Artosis hyped him up so much last year.
On March 04 2012 11:54 KicKDoG wrote: what's the story about lastshadow and major being non-mutual anymore? O_o thought they were like very good friends! ;-(
lastshadow still saying major is the best foreigner terran, i dont think they have any problem right now...
Lastshadow obviously has a problem if he thinks Major is the best foreigner terran.. :p
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
You are quite delusional if you think that is actually true ^^
k... and what's your point? i didn't say that one was better than the other.... tbh, i don't think any of them are top-tier so... i was just throwin out some facts.
Then stop throwing randomly some facts, because major isnt good/accomplished as GoOdy and SjoW.
K, this obviously is really a hot-topic with you so (your the first reply on the thread with a kind of snarky comment) i'll just leave you be. but i do want to put it out there that i'm still pretty sure that's not how ELO works.
When you playing more game than other players, your win rate gets lower and lower.
When I read this some players winratio Flashed before my eyes. Sorry buddy, you're clueless. On topic- I'll judge Majorwhatevers skills when he actually makes news with his play.
saw him play against idra a week or two ago and he went mech... was pretty unstoppable.. maybe hes just gosu on ladder and practice.. could be camera shy
On March 04 2012 22:55 Cosmos wrote: Major is the best foreigner terran, or at the very least top 3.
Top 3 behind Kas, Thorzain, Select
People might argue against Select being counted as "foreigner", but I'm sure Cloud is ahead of him too so your point still stands. Top3 based on what?
Probably results/tournament standings. They do have some pretty good results imo.
Yeah, but major doesn't, does he?
He won the LA-Bnet-Invitational (against Catz and Killer) , but that is about it. I don´t know, how good he is now, I haven´t seen him for a long time, but if people say, that he has really improved, I have to belive them and assume, that he is a contender for a top-5-foreign-terran-spot. But I would not rate him over Kas/ThorZain/Sjow/Beasty/Happy/(SeleCT, if he is considered foreign), until he shows results.
On March 04 2012 22:55 Cosmos wrote: Major is the best foreigner terran, or at the very least top 3.
Top 3 behind Kas, Thorzain, Select
People might argue against Select being counted as "foreigner", but I'm sure Cloud is ahead of him too so your point still stands. Top3 based on what?
Probably results/tournament standings. They do have some pretty good results imo.
Yeah, but major doesn't, does he?
He won the LA-Bnet-Invitational (against Catz and Killer) , but that is about it. I don´t know, how good he is now, I haven´t seen him for a long time, but if people say, that he has really improved, I have to belive them and assume, that he is a contender for a top-5-foreign-terran-spot. But I would not rate him over Kas/ThorZain/Sjow/Beasty/Happy/(SeleCT, if he is considered foreign), until he shows results.
I wonder when we're going to get a foreigner terran who ever wins big events... besides ThorZain winning TSL I can't remember the last time that's happened.
On March 04 2012 22:55 Cosmos wrote: Major is the best foreigner terran, or at the very least top 3.
Top 3 behind Kas, Thorzain, Select
People might argue against Select being counted as "foreigner", but I'm sure Cloud is ahead of him too so your point still stands. Top3 based on what?
Probably results/tournament standings. They do have some pretty good results imo.
Yeah, but major doesn't, does he?
He won the LA-Bnet-Invitational (against Catz and Killer) , but that is about it. I don´t know, how good he is now, I haven´t seen him for a long time, but if people say, that he has really improved, I have to belive them and assume, that he is a contender for a top-5-foreign-terran-spot. But I would not rate him over Kas/ThorZain/Sjow/Beasty/Happy/(SeleCT, if he is considered foreign), until he shows results.
I wonder when we're going to get a foreigner terran who ever wins big events... besides ThorZain winning TSL I can't remember the last time that's happened.
If you only consider events with koreans "big", he would have to go back to the year 2010, where Naama won Dreamhack. Otherwise in january 2011 Sjow won the IEM european championship.
Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
Its pretty low of a team to continue to make someone play for them after he's off the team. It's also a slap in the face to current members of the team.
It basically says "we dont think you're good enough to be in the lineup for the finals, so we're gonna use someone we just removed from the team because he has a better chance at winning."
If I was on CheckSix I'd be pretty disappointed ~~
On March 05 2012 02:50 Xeris wrote: Its pretty low of a team to continue to make someone play for them after he's off the team. It's also a slap in the face to current members of the team.
It basically says "we dont think you're good enough to be in the lineup for the finals, so we're gonna use someone we just removed from the team because he has a better chance at winning."
If I was on CheckSix I'd be pretty disappointed ~~
You seem to bitch and complain a lot about other teams... Why don't you focus on your own team and let CheckSix worry about themselves?
Well people will see sooner or later that he actually is one of the best if not the best non-Korean Terran.. Not too worried about it. You can take my word for it.
On March 05 2012 02:50 Xeris wrote: Its pretty low of a team to continue to make someone play for them after he's off the team. It's also a slap in the face to current members of the team.
It basically says "we dont think you're good enough to be in the lineup for the finals, so we're gonna use someone we just removed from the team because he has a better chance at winning."
If I was on CheckSix I'd be pretty disappointed ~~
You seem to bitch and complain a lot about other teams... Why don't you focus on your own team and let CheckSix worry about themselves?
Duran has a valid point. This sends the wrong message to the team. -_-
On March 05 2012 03:26 cArn- wrote: Well people will see sooner or later that he actually is one of the best if not the best non-Korean Terran.. Not too worried about it. You can take my word for it.
On March 05 2012 03:26 cArn- wrote: Well people will see sooner or later that he actually is one of the best if not the best non-Korean Terran.. Not too worried about it. You can take my word for it.
On March 05 2012 03:26 cArn- wrote: Well people will see sooner or later that he actually is one of the best if not the best non-Korean Terran.. Not too worried about it. You can take my word for it.
Well, the best foreigner-something has to win tournaments. When he starts doing so regularly I will believe you, but not in the very moment
On March 05 2012 03:26 cArn- wrote: Well people will see sooner or later that he actually is one of the best if not the best non-Korean Terran.. Not too worried about it. You can take my word for it.
On March 05 2012 03:26 cArn- wrote: Well people will see sooner or later that he actually is one of the best if not the best non-Korean Terran.. Not too worried about it. You can take my word for it.
On March 05 2012 02:50 Xeris wrote: Its pretty low of a team to continue to make someone play for them after he's off the team. It's also a slap in the face to current members of the team.
It basically says "we dont think you're good enough to be in the lineup for the finals, so we're gonna use someone we just removed from the team because he has a better chance at winning."
If I was on CheckSix I'd be pretty disappointed ~~
First off, we didn't "make" anyone play for us in the finals. Major offered as we allowed him out of his contract for this opportunity early. We had used him in the previous set with iG; so we did it for the 2nd and final set as well...and all our current starters agreed it was the best. Thanks for the concern though .
On March 05 2012 02:50 Xeris wrote: Its pretty low of a team to continue to make someone play for them after he's off the team. It's also a slap in the face to current members of the team.
It basically says "we dont think you're good enough to be in the lineup for the finals, so we're gonna use someone we just removed from the team because he has a better chance at winning."
If I was on CheckSix I'd be pretty disappointed ~~
You seem to bitch and complain a lot about other teams... Why don't you focus on your own team and let CheckSix worry about themselves?
No, he just has the balls to say what most people think but won't say. I try not to bash on xsix too much because I have a friend on the team, but yeah...
Has Major's new team been announced? It's said he left to pursue a new opportunity, but you'd think any team that signs Major would want to announce it publicly instead of keeping it secret?
Absolutely stunning, how stupid people can be. How hard it is to read short post? But anyways, keep up the good work Major and try to show up somewhere so we can see how well you are actually playing now! Oh yeah and I wonder if Artosis has his fingers in this soup somehow, as he does like princess.
On March 05 2012 02:50 Xeris wrote: Its pretty low of a team to continue to make someone play for them after he's off the team. It's also a slap in the face to current members of the team.
It basically says "we dont think you're good enough to be in the lineup for the finals, so we're gonna use someone we just removed from the team because he has a better chance at winning."
If I was on CheckSix I'd be pretty disappointed ~~
i dont see that at all. he is doing them a favour because they agreed to release him before the contract was over. and in terms of "we dont think you are good enough". since when has it been rare for sc teams to have a teamers and b teamers? if you get upset because another guy is perceived to be better than you, and rather than work on it you choose cry then thats your own problem
On March 05 2012 03:52 QuothTheRaven wrote: Has Major's new team been announced? It's said he left to pursue a new opportunity, but you'd think any team that signs Major would want to announce it publicly instead of keeping it secret?
Maybe the team has signed multiple players and wants to make one big announcement instead of separate ones.
Plus... he is living in the GOMTV house no? Perhaps it is still a foreign team.
Why do ppl say hes the best foreigner when he has basicly no high level accomplishments.. ? Shouldnt he be atleast be in Code A if he had such crazy mechanics ? shouldnt he win weekly cups left and right ? Im sorry i dont see anything that indicates to me that he is as good as some ppl say
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
Seriously? I wish someone could fix it, I would throw in a few bucks maybe.
On March 05 2012 03:52 QuothTheRaven wrote: Has Major's new team been announced? It's said he left to pursue a new opportunity, but you'd think any team that signs Major would want to announce it publicly instead of keeping it secret?
It doesn't matter what team major joins, he is going to leave a few months after signing with them anyways and the cycle will repeat.
On March 05 2012 08:21 MetalSlug wrote: Why do ppl say hes the best foreigner when he has basicly no high level accomplishments.. ? Shouldnt he be atleast be in Code A if he had such crazy mechanics ? shouldnt he win weekly cups left and right ? Im sorry i dont see anything that indicates to me that he is as good as some ppl say
Take everything with a grain of salt. Plus... he is a very quiet player to follow. He often times trains amongst old Korean clanmates and doesn't participate in small tournaments. Also doesn't help when he goes deep into the MLG bracket and is posted under his new name.
Take everything with a grain of salt. Plus... he is a very quiet player to follow. He often times trains amongst old Korean clanmates and doesn't participate in small tournaments. Also doesn't help when he goes deep into the MLG bracket and is posted under his new name.
whose fault is it that nobody can pick a decent name for him? The guy changes names even more often than teams.
Take everything with a grain of salt. Plus... he is a very quiet player to follow. He often times trains amongst old Korean clanmates and doesn't participate in small tournaments. Also doesn't help when he goes deep into the MLG bracket and is posted under his new name.
whose fault is it that nobody can pick a decent name for him? The guy changes names even more often than teams.
I'm not defending him or making excuses for him. People often skip over his name because they don't recognize it. That's just the way it is.
And I doubt he gives a shit about what people think.
On March 05 2012 08:21 MetalSlug wrote: Why do ppl say hes the best foreigner when he has basicly no high level accomplishments.. ? Shouldnt he be atleast be in Code A if he had such crazy mechanics ? shouldnt he win weekly cups left and right ? Im sorry i dont see anything that indicates to me that he is as good as some ppl say
You can't really judge someone like major solely on his tournament results. He hasn't had the opportunity to compete in many events because he hasn't had a team to support him(you can argue that it is his fault for being hard to work with, but that shouldn't take away from his skill). Take Heart for example, he is probably better than every foreign terran but did not have a team to support him until just now so he wasn't able to show any significant results. He also only attempted to qualify for code a once afaik which is insanely difficult to do.
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
On March 05 2012 08:21 MetalSlug wrote: Why do ppl say hes the best foreigner when he has basicly no high level accomplishments.. ? Shouldnt he be atleast be in Code A if he had such crazy mechanics ? shouldnt he win weekly cups left and right ? Im sorry i dont see anything that indicates to me that he is as good as some ppl say
Because the people that you should listen to about the skill of players are those that know them and their play. Watching a couple game of someone`s tournament run or knowing that this guy won a tournament is a lot less convincing than someone that plays against him regularly. Tournament results are not directly representative of skill, especially in SC2.
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
I hope you're joking.
Why would he? He knows both of them fairly well, why would he make such a statement, as he gains nothing from it?
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
I hope you're joking.
Why would he? He knows both of them fairly well, why would he make such a statement, as he gains nothing from it?
He's just supporting his friend, which is cool, but Idk why he would say Kas would be annihilated. Kas has beaten much better players than major (marineking, polt, thorzain etc.) and also the only time the two have played Kas beat Juan 2-0. Pretty ignorant imo.
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
I hope you're joking.
Why would he? He knows both of them fairly well, why would he make such a statement, as he gains nothing from it?
He's just supporting his friend, which is cool, but Idk why he would say Kas would be annihilated. Kas has beaten much better players than major (marineking, polt, thorzain etc.) and also the only time the two have played Kas beat Juan 2-0. Pretty ignorant imo.
Poor word choice. Certainly not ignorant, just biased : )
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
I hope you're joking.
Why would he? He knows both of them fairly well, why would he make such a statement, as he gains nothing from it?
He's just supporting his friend, which is cool, but Idk why he would say Kas would be annihilated. Kas has beaten much better players than major (marineking, polt, thorzain etc.) and also the only time the two have played Kas beat Juan 2-0. Pretty ignorant imo.
He probably just gets beaten by him on a regular basis, and he considers himself amongst the top tier foreigners. (Would dominate all NA players statement was made recently?)
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
I hope you're joking.
Why would he? He knows both of them fairly well, why would he make such a statement, as he gains nothing from it?
He's just supporting his friend, which is cool, but Idk why he would say Kas would be annihilated. Kas has beaten much better players than major (marineking, polt, thorzain etc.) and also the only time the two have played Kas beat Juan 2-0. Pretty ignorant imo.
Pretty sure Lastshadow was the one who said "SC is all about innate talent, practice is just a plus" so :\ Take what he says with a grain of salt
Hope Major finds a team, just dont see him beating Kas in a showmatch lol
I'm looking forward to hearing what his new team (and probably name) will be. EG could always use another good player who is well known but doesn't, or hasn't, posted big results.
On March 05 2012 02:48 lastshadow wrote: Doesn't matter where I stand with Juan right now, if anyone wants to put up money for a showmatch or whatever I'll bet money on Juan vs Kas whenever if anyone wants to make it happen, Kas will get annihilated.
I hope you're joking.
Why would he? He knows both of them fairly well, why would he make such a statement, as he gains nothing from it?
He's just supporting his friend, which is cool, but Idk why he would say Kas would be annihilated. Kas has beaten much better players than major (marineking, polt, thorzain etc.) and also the only time the two have played Kas beat Juan 2-0. Pretty ignorant imo.
Pretty sure Lastshadow was the one who said "SC is all about innate talent, practice is just a plus" so :\ Take what he says with a grain of salt
Hope Major finds a team, just dont see him beating Kas in a showmatch lol
in lastshadow's world, major is the best foreign terran, ToD is the best foreign protoss and Leenock is the coinflip/all in zerg.
agreed, take what he says with grain of salt.
On February 29 2012 02:13 Loxley wrote: I think Major is better than everyone in Code S at the moment. Well not by results, but his pure talent is way better than anyone in GSL/Code S has. Maybe more talent than Da Vinci, or Messi, Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Mark Zuckerberg.
In talent, he maybe the best to ever roamed this world. In talent, you can't prove me wrong.
But as far as results go, Major probably isn't that good. Yet. Or maybe he never will. But he got the talent! Or does he? Hmm.
well done
On March 05 2012 10:10 Promethelax wrote: I'm looking forward to hearing what his new team (and probably name) will be. EG could always use another good player who is well known but doesn't, or hasn't, posted big results.
Incontrol hates major, not a single chance at all for joining EG.
EPT
