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On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo
according to artosis on sotg(I couldn't watch GSL today), the patch hasn't hit in Korea yet.
Also, I don't think anyone was claiming that this means terran can't win, just that terran will have a much harder time winning lategame TvZ.
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when is this getting released on Korea/Taiwan?
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On February 22 2012 22:23 DarQraven wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 21:46 zimms wrote:On February 22 2012 21:38 DarQraven wrote:
What you missed in this thread so far:
- Everyone is going to stop playing Terran.
- Everyone is going to stop playing SC2.
- Blizzard is *expletive* *adjective*.
- Not a single TvZ involving Broodlords has been won.
- This thread and the last patch thread are almost 95% similar! TL mods considering making a template where you only have to fill in the recently nerfed race and unit. Presumably saves >9000 manhours of posting per day worldwide.
We'll keep you posted! You forgot: Condescending posts and useless suggestions from non-terran players, claiming that the ghost nerf doesn't change anything. To be fair, we've sort of grown numb to it. Terrans (like any other race) have been throwing fits of rage with every negative patch change all the way back to when the 5rax reaper was still around and you could build barracks before depot, complaining that Terran was now "uncompetitive", "broken" and "unplayable", and how the only reason this change got through was because Blizzard is retarded. Meanwhile, TvX winrates have always been above 50%. Cue next patch change which, again, made Terran "uncompetitive, broken and unplayable". If patch threads are to be believed, there are now about 0 Terran players worldwide because all of them quit at some point. Play with the patch a couple of weeks, see if the change is actually as big of a change as everyone is yelling about, then complain how Blizzard is retarded. Or not. It's really hard to take complaints seriously when they come after a maximum of 5 post-patch games under your belt.
If there was any terran whining about patch changes it was massively drowned out by zerg and protosses bitching about having to deal with units that required them to micro until those units got neutered. I've been ok with all terran nerfs outside of two. The five seconds barracks nerf which was entirely pointless, and the snipe nerf, which was overkill up the ass, and way to hastily implemented. but keep making templates. I'm sure that validates every point you have.
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On February 22 2012 23:04 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:23 DarQraven wrote:On February 22 2012 21:46 zimms wrote:On February 22 2012 21:38 DarQraven wrote:
What you missed in this thread so far:
- Everyone is going to stop playing Terran.
- Everyone is going to stop playing SC2.
- Blizzard is *expletive* *adjective*.
- Not a single TvZ involving Broodlords has been won.
- This thread and the last patch thread are almost 95% similar! TL mods considering making a template where you only have to fill in the recently nerfed race and unit. Presumably saves >9000 manhours of posting per day worldwide.
We'll keep you posted! You forgot: Condescending posts and useless suggestions from non-terran players, claiming that the ghost nerf doesn't change anything. To be fair, we've sort of grown numb to it. Terrans (like any other race) have been throwing fits of rage with every negative patch change all the way back to when the 5rax reaper was still around and you could build barracks before depot, complaining that Terran was now "uncompetitive", "broken" and "unplayable", and how the only reason this change got through was because Blizzard is retarded. Meanwhile, TvX winrates have always been above 50%. Cue next patch change which, again, made Terran "uncompetitive, broken and unplayable". If patch threads are to be believed, there are now about 0 Terran players worldwide because all of them quit at some point. Play with the patch a couple of weeks, see if the change is actually as big of a change as everyone is yelling about, then complain how Blizzard is retarded. Or not. It's really hard to take complaints seriously when they come after a maximum of 5 post-patch games under your belt. If there was any terran whining about patch changes it was massively drowned out by zerg and protosses bitching about having to deal with units that required them to micro until those units got neutered. I've been ok with all terran nerfs outside of two. The five seconds barracks nerf which was entirely pointless, and the snipe nerf, which was overkill up the ass, and way to hastily implemented. but keep making templates. I'm sure that validates every point you have.
"My defense is that you did it too!" 
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On February 18 2012 12:32 justiceknight wrote:
Patch Notes
Bug Fixes
Fixed an issue which was causing some players with a full version of SC2 to be stuck in Starter Edition.
This might solve the Starter Edition problem in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298839¤tpage=All. Also posted this in the Relocalizer thread.
On December 29 2011 13:41 KAiZ3R wrote:I did a quick search for "relocalize" and all the results seem to modify game files and only work on PC. This method, inspired by this post on Reddit, should not modify game files and should work on both PC and Mac. If someone else figured this out and posted before me, let me know and I'll credit them here. I tested this method on a newly installed and patched Taiwanese client for Mac and successfully relocalized it to English (US). As always, don't blame me if your computer explodes and read everything before deciding whether or not to take the risk of ruining a StarCraft II client and wasting a sizable chunk of time. Update: This method does not change the gateway a client accesses. Also, for some reason if you change the menu text of the client following this method it will allow Starter Editions to log in but block full editions with an unauthorized language pack error. This means this method currently does not work if you are trying to translate your client's text. However, this method does work for all accounts with regards to changing voice acting and sounds.
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"Fixed an issue which caused FFA games to reset the progress of the Team Hot Streak achievement."
I still have winning strike from reset. Im about 144 wins(on main panel/profile), but in achievements about 67 wins...
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On February 22 2012 23:17 giorgio wrote:
"Fixed an issue which caused FFA games to reset the progress of the Team Hot Streak achievement."
I still have winning strike from reset. Im about 144 wins(on main panel/profile), but in achievements about 67 wins...
Woah wait, how long is your streak?
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for some reason it wont let me see my match history 
i can check other peoples, just not my own
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On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo
patch hasn't hit in korea bro. nice try tho
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On February 22 2012 23:56 Naeroon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo patch hasn't hit in korea bro. nice try tho
To be fair, the patch won't really be affecting TvP that much, as the phoenix change is essentially for PvZ and the ghost change primarily affects TvZ.
Today was definitely a day to be happy if you're Terran.
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On February 23 2012 00:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 23:56 Naeroon wrote:On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo patch hasn't hit in korea bro. nice try tho To be fair, the patch won't really be affecting TvP that much, as the phoenix change is essentially for PvZ and the ghost change primarily affects TvZ. Today was definitely a day to be happy if you're Terran.
not really, because the protoss/zerg players threw away their games with huge blunders. There wasn't really anything to learn from that other than the fact, that you might win a game if your opponent totally messes up.
And aditionally we didn't see that much lategame TvZ and TvP, so these games have really not much of a stand in this discussion here.
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On February 21 2012 15:57 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 15:52 IdrA wrote:On February 21 2012 15:38 nvrs wrote:On February 21 2012 14:27 IdrA wrote:On February 21 2012 14:02 tokicheese wrote:On February 21 2012 13:31 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 21 2012 13:14 Arkless wrote:On February 21 2012 11:55 kofman wrote:
Fuck blizzard. They don't give a shit about us Terrans, nerfing us every single chance they get. Every single successive season, Terran has been getting the short end of the stick, whether it is with bigger, Zerg-favored maps or stupid nerfs. Seriously, I'm done with this shit. Yea, I'm raging cause i'm on a huge losing streak, but still, fuck you blizzard.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, I agree with him fully. Ghosts and tanks have been molested into the ground. And the matchup is not only not T favored, but OP for zerg. Infestor muta broodlord????? none of it gets touched yet we get a snipe nerf? Cmon........Starting to think this has to do with a hots release date coming soon and wanting to have ppl jump on the zerg bandwagon coz this is rediculous. If you can't see the problem with muta/bl/infestor, yet you think snipe is a problem???? This just doesn't make sense in my brain. When I first saw the patch preview on the side bar I was like " Yes!!! Finally they are gonna do something about this bullshit muta/infestor/bl combo. Only to open the link and see mule and snipe nerf, at that moment my brain just turned off. there could be a coincidence between terran nerfs and terran having higher winrates on the highest level of play? i know it normalized in the last few months but most nerfs were needed. Stats show terran only winning 30% of their games late game TvZ at some tourney and then they nerf our late game option with no PTR? Really mind boggling Add onto this the new changes in HOTS Ultra Death charge makes that tech switch even more painful... That grab unit spell will just destroy terran with pulling tanks... Idk if terran doesnt get some love soon im switching to zerg with HOTS. Zero ladder games as Zerg and it is just as strong as my terran with 3000+ 1v1 games played all in masters top 20... I did love Terran played it all beta and yes it needed some nerfs but blizz is just neutering terran same reason that every patch blizzards nerfed terran and then terran winrates shot right back up to where they were before after a couple weeks. terran players keep finding new crutches that allow them to win without being all that good. mid game timings are so powerful and easy to win with up to a certain level that you have a ton of terrans who just 2 base allin every game and win the majority, but if they get past that they have no idea what to do and try to fight broodlord infestor with marine tank. I see, so its a loose loose situation for Terran eh Greg? But i guess you are trolling as always so there is no point in arguing, i mean its pretty obvious that Terran are having a really hard time vs P cause their late game is crap (comperatively) and we all know it and Protosses have become so much better at defending early pushes. Also TvZ lategame was looking balanced with ghosts, at least that's what the past few months tournament results were telling but lets ignore all these, Terran is OP! I am betting though that at some point they will have to do something about Terran's lategame hopefulness we were talking about tvz. tvp late game does seem very protoss favored and t might need help in that matchup. but terran incompetence accounts for that late game tvz win %. watch good terrans, ones who have games that end up in the late game without failing a timing attack, who know how to defend properly, who abuse broodlord infestor mobility with mass drops, who use nukes to harass and prevent big attacks, who scan z and make proper counter unit compositions. top tier t's have no problem going toe to toe with top tier z's late game, if the zergs manage to survive to that point. I know you're a pro and all, but not everyone is playing top Korean Grandmasters all day. Terrans in masters and below all have a really difficult time with infestor/broodlord because we can't do 3 drops at once and we can't micro battles perfectly. Now, I know you're just going to say "get better" or something, which is something most people can agree with. I know I'm not amazing, and I can definitely improve a bunch, but whenever I get into lategame TvP or TvZ it's basically an auto-loss against similarly skilled opponents. I don't want to be forced to do dumbass all ins every game just to win games, but that seems to be what Blizzard wants.
Now, I'm only a Diamond player saying this, but that's not what Blizzard wants. They just don't want to balance the game around not the top tier of play(atleast I hope). This is sort of why you have to look at Korean results for the best snapshot of current balance, for they will be the closest to realizing the full potential of a race.
Side note, advice: You don't necessarily have to do 3 drops at once or micro perfectly. For starters, and in my experience, people all the way up through diamond will fall apart to simple 2-pronged attacks. Just one drop as you attack, etc. And you don't have to have perfect micro, just make sure you work on basic control, like Stim-kiting against zealots isn't terribly difficult, but pretty effective, and make sure you don't over-stim, and try to keep your units spread when you have the APM to spare.
If you drop their mineral line, wait a few seconds for them to blindly A+click their army, then attack the front, you'll get some nice dmg. If you attack the front, they'll pull whatever drop defense they had (if any at all), then you drop and get damage that way.
If you get to the point where they CAN handle 2 prong attacks, well then that probably means you too are at a higher level of play by then and can improve other ways as well, whether basic macro for upgrades/supply advantages, or just be clever with your drops and time or positions.
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On February 23 2012 00:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Today was definitely a day to be happy if you're Terran.
With what twisted logic is today a day to be happy as a terran?
wat?
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On February 23 2012 00:43 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 00:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Today was definitely a day to be happy if you're Terran. With what twisted logic is today a day to be happy as a terran? wat?
+ Show Spoiler +GSL. Terrans raped everyone pretty much.
EDIT: Although obviously that says nothing about the patch, as that's still not up in Korea. But today's still a good day for Terrans.
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On February 22 2012 22:45 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo according to artosis on sotg(I couldn't watch GSL today), the patch hasn't hit in Korea yet. Also, I don't think anyone was claiming that this means terran can't win, just that terran will have a much harder time winning lategame TvZ.
The whining has been before the patch. And changes do not affect PvT, unless you use ghost to snipe zealots.
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Terran winrate will probably go up, since more of them will do early cheeses and midgame all-ins, which is what Terran is best at anyway.
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On February 23 2012 00:51 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:45 Elyvilon wrote:On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo according to artosis on sotg(I couldn't watch GSL today), the patch hasn't hit in Korea yet. Also, I don't think anyone was claiming that this means terran can't win, just that terran will have a much harder time winning lategame TvZ. The whining has been before the patch. And changes do not affect PvT, unless you use ghost to snipe zealots and for some obscure reason phoenix.
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On February 23 2012 00:51 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:45 Elyvilon wrote:On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo according to artosis on sotg(I couldn't watch GSL today), the patch hasn't hit in Korea yet. Also, I don't think anyone was claiming that this means terran can't win, just that terran will have a much harder time winning lategame TvZ. The whining has been before the patch. And changes do not affect PvT, unless you use ghost to snipe zealots.
Man ignorance is bliss...
Yes the changes affect PvT, thats why people are complaining that a change that was meant to address an imbalance in TvZ is affecting other matchups.
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On February 23 2012 00:57 moregamethanSEGA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 00:51 Testuser wrote:On February 22 2012 22:45 Elyvilon wrote:On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo according to artosis on sotg(I couldn't watch GSL today), the patch hasn't hit in Korea yet. Also, I don't think anyone was claiming that this means terran can't win, just that terran will have a much harder time winning lategame TvZ. The whining has been before the patch. And changes do not affect PvT, unless you use ghost to snipe zealots. Man ignorance is bliss... Yes the changes affect PvT, thats why people are complaining that a change that was meant to address an imbalance in TvZ is affecting other matchups.
How does ghost snipe affect TvP in common ways? What do your ghosts snipe in TvP? Possibly high templar, but that damage was buffed from 45 to 50 with the patch. What else do you snipe, that is now so low (25 from 45) that it's worthless?
In TvP, ghosts are almost exclusively used for EMP. Heck, you can EMP multiple high templar as well, so the only reason you'd snipe one over EMPing it is if there were spread high templars coming at you to try to soften your army before the actual engagement.
So what TvP complaints do you have with the ghost change? Hell, if you're going to call him ignorant, at least elaborate on why he's wrong.
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On February 23 2012 01:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 00:57 moregamethanSEGA wrote:On February 23 2012 00:51 Testuser wrote:On February 22 2012 22:45 Elyvilon wrote:On February 22 2012 22:33 PureBalls wrote:
Terrans just keep coming. 5 out of 6 advance in todays Code A matches, and the one that didnt, was eliminated in a TvT.
Not even one protoss wins his PvT. And the one zerg also lost his ZvT.
QQ can now stop.
ggyo according to artosis on sotg(I couldn't watch GSL today), the patch hasn't hit in Korea yet. Also, I don't think anyone was claiming that this means terran can't win, just that terran will have a much harder time winning lategame TvZ. The whining has been before the patch. And changes do not affect PvT, unless you use ghost to snipe zealots. Man ignorance is bliss... Yes the changes affect PvT, thats why people are complaining that a change that was meant to address an imbalance in TvZ is affecting other matchups. How does ghost snipe affect TvP in common ways? What do your ghosts snipe in TvP? Possibly high templar, but that damage was buffed from 45 to 50 with the patch. What else do you snipe, that is now so low (25 from 45) that it's worthless? In TvP, ghosts are almost exclusively used for EMP. Heck, you can EMP multiple high templar as well, so the only reason you'd snipe one over EMPing it is if there were spread high templars coming at you to try to soften your army before the actual engagement. So what TvP complaints do you have with the ghost change? Hell, if you're going to call him ignorant, at least elaborate on why he's wrong.
Against heavy zealot/archon, one of the better terran responses is mass ghost(like, 15) to make sure you can blanket all the templar and archons with multiple emps, and then snipe zealots with the leftover energy, since ghosts also live through a single storm and deal reasonable autoattack damage to zealots. Take a look at Empire.Happy vs Creatorprime in TAC2, for example. Is it still a good counter now that snipe is essentially useless against zealots? I'm not sure. Also, it was a nice bit of extra utility in general.
By the way, the damage buff is almost totally meaningless against high templar, since ghosts went from 2-shotting them to 2-shotting them.
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