EPTPut down the pitchforks, or lower them, at least. - Page 22
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Czarnodziej
Poland624 Posts
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Essobee
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On February 15 2012 01:23 Ansinjunger wrote: Let me get this straight. MLG changed their tournament into something I didn't pay for with my gold membership. I can argue: I thought there were 6 live events, in 2012 there are only 4. That may sound like splitting hairs. What if they made all of their events "arenas" and had only one live championship, like last year's Providence? There's nothing stopping them from doing that, and charging $$ for esports. Whoops, I guess I only paid for one event. Too bad my membership is canceled by the end of the year anyway. I don't know why you don't see a problem with "re-classifying" something so you can charge people who thought they'd already paid. I'm sad if MLG is not breaking even financially, I'd rather they are successful. However, I'm not going to pay them $20 for something I thought I already did and is overpriced anyway. I don't have that kind of money right now, and if I did, Gom would get it first. I also canceled my pitchfork pre-order. yep, that's entirely possible. i agree that would be a terrible idea, and would then make my voice heard on forums like these, and also by cancelling my sub to gold. i'm not defending MLG's decision to create a weekend event at this price, and i also am not happy about the loss of 33% of last year's pro circuit events. on the flip side though, if they continue to provide the amount of coverage throughout the year that has been provided so far in the Winter Championship qualifiers, leading up to the Championship itself in Columbus, I personally, will be maintaining my sub to gold. | ||
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TheAssclown
United States38 Posts
1.... i pay $30 per year for all the championship events, which was 6 last year... It willbe 4 this year, which i am ok with... 2.... i do not want to pay per event, i want to pay per year, why can i not just upgrade my gold membership? 3.... why would i pay $20 for a non championship event, when i only pay $30 for 4 championship events? | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
my only problem with MLG is I hate how they try to cram everything into one weekend. It would be much better if they offered something like GSL with games every day and where players know who they face a week before. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:22 ProBot wrote: I have no problem with PPV per se .... Here's my problem the latter half of the year when i was watching the streams it seemed like there was around 150k views at times. So lets say they lose 1/3rd of their viewership cuz of the PPV so 100k Viewers @ $20 is 2mil ..... not saying they're going to make that much but it's a potential reachable number. So they're going to make a shit ton of money regardless if some people opt out of PPV, now back to my problem ... with potential $2,000,000 for a closed door tournament with no moving equipment into stadiums and very little overheard as far as logistics go your telling me you can't spare more than $26,000 TOTAL prize pool for the players. That to me is the disgusting part out of all this, MLG exists because of the players. MLG needs the players to survive, the players don't need MLG and yet the mlg prize pools are always pretty pathetic. Are you crazy? Only 15% of the TL members are willing to pay for it, which means if MLG gets 5% of the 150k viewers, it would be already lucky. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:23 Ansinjunger wrote: Let me get this straight. MLG changed their Pro Circuit into something I didn't pay for with my gold membership. I can argue: I thought there were 6 live events, in 2012 there are only 4. That may sound like splitting hairs. What if they made all of their events "arenas" and had only one live championship, like last year's Providence? There's nothing stopping them from doing that, and charging $$ for esports. Whoops, I guess I only paid for one event. Too bad my membership is canceled by the end of the year anyway. I don't know why you don't see a problem with "re-classifying" something so you can charge people who thought they'd already paid. I'm sad if MLG is not breaking even financially, I'd rather they are successful. However, I'm not going to pay them $20 for something I thought I already did and is overpriced anyway. I don't have that kind of money right now, and if I did, Gom would get it first. I also canceled my pitchfork pre-order. Edit: changed "tournament" to "pro circuit" Why are you operating under the assumption that they're not profitable? Why not operate under the assumption that they noticed MLG gets away with PPV and they think that with an inferior product they can appeal to our heart strings and grab some extra cash as well. I really wish people would open their eyes a bit. How does an company exist if they have been in the red for years according to them? How do they generate 50 million in 2009 and not find a way to make a profit? | ||
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Essobee
7 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:31 Ansinjunger wrote: Look on page 6, Virgil's post at the bottom. thanks! yeah, that's an awful way to promote the winter arena. it gives a false idea out to the community, and really should have been thought of before it was put out. MLG is definitely not the most well run business organization out there. but, i don't think there is one tournament provider outside of Korea that has this down pat yet. you could claim false advertising i suppose, but i'm curious as to what the benefit of that would be. i mean, can we chalk it up to a bad decision and leave it at that? or would boycotting this event, or even all future MLG events help us as a community in any way? i don't really have an answer. i guess if this pisses anyone off enough to the point where they'll ignore the Winter Arena (as i myself am tempted, what with Assembly providing stellar content as well that weekend), or even ignore MLG together, that's a valid option. I'd like to see the companies out there providing us with this content make money. i'd also like to see it done professionally and smoothly. without the sudden change in memberships (MLG's silver membership fiasco comes to mind), or the sudden decision to charge a PPV system for a tournament 11 days prior to the tournament. that just indicates a lack of forethought, and puts a question in the minds of all of MLG's fans about the viability of MLG as an orginization that can "get it done" for esports. i, personally, and willing to give them a little bit of leeway. i've been watching MLG events for years, and other than last year (after Dallas), they have been a complete mess. but they got their act together last year, and i really enjoyed it. for myself, that warrants a bit of patience while they try and figure this newfound success out. I'm not a terribly patient person, so i won't be extolling MLG's virtues if they can't get things figured out quickly this year, but they've still got some maneuvering room as far as i'm concerned. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:22 ProBot wrote: I have no problem with PPV per se .... Here's my problem the latter half of the year when i was watching the streams it seemed like there was around 150k views at times. So lets say they lose 1/3rd of their viewership cuz of the PPV so 100k Viewers @ $20 is 2mil ..... not saying they're going to make that much but it's a potential reachable number. So they're going to make a shit ton of money regardless if some people opt out of PPV, now back to my problem ... with potential $2,000,000 for a closed door tournament with no moving equipment into stadiums and very little overheard as far as logistics go your telling me you can't spare more than $26,000 TOTAL prize pool for the players. That to me is the disgusting part out of all this, MLG exists because of the players. MLG needs the players to survive, the players don't need MLG and yet the mlg prize pools are always pretty pathetic. They are going to lose much more than a third of viewers. They would be lucky to keep a third of their viewers. | ||
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Oxyjon
United Kingdom31 Posts
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SecondSandwich
United States319 Posts
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Kyles92
England183 Posts
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GramCracker
United States18 Posts
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On February 14 2012 19:07 Geiko wrote: Poll from this thread + Show Spoiler + Poll: How much would you pay for MLG PPV? I wouldn't even buy it for $10 or less. (959) I'd pay $10, but not $20. (945) I'm fine with the $20 price point, but I'd gladly pay $10. (205) I bought Gold, and I think I should receive the Arena passes at no extra charge. (169) I bought Gold, and I'd pay $5 if the regular price were $10. (111) I bought Gold, and I'd pay $10 if the regular price were $20. (67) 2456 total votes Your vote: How much would you pay for MLG PPV? (Vote): I'm fine with the $20 price point, but I'd gladly pay $10. Poll from the PPV announcement thread + Show Spoiler + Is this another one of those "results disagree" bugs ? Or do TL forumers just agree with whatever was said in the OP... Those are polls for 2 completely different things. So your wrong on both accounts. But I'm a nice guy so I'll explain. First poll is asking people with already existing MLG GOLD memberships if the would pay on top of their existing membership ... The second one is asking the general public if they would just pay $10 flat. Reading is your friend. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:37 gds wrote: Are you crazy? Only 15% of the TL members are willing to pay for it, which means if MLG gets 5% of the 150k viewers, it would be already lucky. I said potential ... not exact. It's more to stress the fact that the prize pools are pathetic and they should be paying the players more money. | ||
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Seanza
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I'm all for PPV streaming in eSports. It's fantastic to get stuff for free as a spectator, but as time goes on, spectators won't have anything to watch if the leagues close down due to lack of money. Coming from an event organiser's perspective, if I were to charge anybody $20 for a broadcast, I'd want to make sure my production and content was top-notch. As far as I've seen so far, I wouldn't say MLG's production or content is worth $20 per person for a weekend. So, I hope this changes. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On February 15 2012 02:02 ProBot wrote: I said potential ... not exact. It's more to stress the fact that the prize pools are pathetic and they should be paying the players more money. i wonder what the players prefer, a bigger prize pool but they or their team would have to pay for their flight/stay or less prize pool but everything else is already paid for. i think the koreans would take the latter since covering flights/stay would obviously cost them more. the americans/europeans maybe the latter too cause lets be honest any tournament with koreans lowers their chance a lot at winning, so at least they wouldnt be down the expense of flight/stay. at least thats my thoughts, anyone know if any of the invited players have said either way? edit: and i dont know the breakdown of prize pool at the arena either | ||
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Cryo1
Canada28 Posts
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CryMore
United States497 Posts
Then they will correct this "mistake" and the community will be willing to pay $10 for the next one. CONSPIRACY. | ||
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-ForeverAlone-
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