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I dont think they can justify the price poing given the free competition. We dont know what the free Dr. Pepper Stream will involve. But i think even 10$ for just one weekend were i could be watching Assembly for free is not really reasonable having no evidence of how good it really is.
5$ i wouldnt think about it, even if it was limited to say 450p and ~15$ for HQ. The comparison with visiting Cinema/ordering Pizza is valid in principle but its a new product so its not really convincing.
Also i dont think its clever to start at 20$ for the first event. Convince us with the first event for a very low price then increase it when you have proven its worth it (they plan to do that on the very weekend though so lets hope they blow our minds that we actually want to spend the money =D)
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Thanks for the post! Nice to hear some opinions from the team managers on these things.
I will not purchase a pass for this event. I think it is too expensive and I believe that by acquiring the pass it would send the wrong signals to MLG. I do believe in the free low-quality / ad-driven stream and PPV high-quality no-ad stream approach. This might not be a viable business for MLG, but in that case I think they have to come up with something better than $20 for a week-end PPV model. If I feel like watching some SC2 tournament action on that week-end I’m sure I can find something else to tune in to.
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Do not agree with mass commercialization. Keep it free, make money off the ads... we all know they reap in good money from sponsors!
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Agree with Alex. PPV is a good thing, but the price point is too high for this product.
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Agreed, MLG needs to do what they need to do, and I would say it is probably better to start out with the more expensive PPV first and then lower the price rather than raise it so people who previously bought it can say "Hey, that was totally worth $20, and the next one is only $10? Easy buy." or "Hey that maybe wasn't quite worth $20 but for $10, definitely doable." But it seems like this has to be the worst time imaginable to do it with Assembly the same weekend for free.
Also +1 to MLG for free VODs a week later.
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An eSports business attempts to make a big step forward to improve their business model and they get crucified by the community they are trying to provide better entertainment to.
I would be happier if it were $10, but I will still be paying the $20. MLG has given me some of the most enthralling and emotional spectating of Starcraft 2 ever. I hope they make some changes to appeal to the widest audience and they keep growing, they deserve it.
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Good to hear your opinion. I like it. But I won't be buying anything new from MLG till I see worth for my gold subscription.
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What the hell is Sundance thinking?
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On February 14 2012 18:29 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Do not agree with mass commercialization. Keep it free, make money off the ads... we all know they reap in good money from sponsors!
The general community has 0 idea on how much money is sponsored on e-sports.. And I tell you now, the amount the community believes is incorrect.. by far.
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How am I supposed to get my friends into watching MLG if they are required to pay for it in advance? I'm not your bloody salesman MLG, I just wont bother.
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Yep $10 i would not hesitate to pay but $20 thats alot man
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On February 14 2012 18:55 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 18:29 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Do not agree with mass commercialization. Keep it free, make money off the ads... we all know they reap in good money from sponsors! The general community has 0 idea on how much money is sponsored on e-sports.. And I tell you now, the amount the community believes is incorrect.. by far.
Yeah don't fill us in on the numbers though. Best to keep us in the dark and we'll just take youre word for it
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On February 14 2012 18:55 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 18:29 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Do not agree with mass commercialization. Keep it free, make money off the ads... we all know they reap in good money from sponsors! The general community has 0 idea on how much money is sponsored on e-sports.. And I tell you now, the amount the community believes is incorrect.. by far.
Then maybe you want to tell us?
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I spent about $150 just to watch various events last year and about $250 total so far, ads not considered.
If that's not enough then there are obviously just not enough people into this hobby to sustain all these events and that's that. Overpriced PPV is not going to change that, quite the contrary actually. It will lock out new people from getting interested.
Blame the GSL for sucking the market dry if you must but being more expensive is not going to help. I find all this moral soliciting quite appalling honestly considering how much I am already spending.
Netflix is $8 a month ffs.
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I would like to see a business model where you can actually choose which services you actually you want to take. I, like many others I think, am only interested in watching the starcraft 2 stream. I actually dont care about any other form of Esports in the sense that I dont watch it. So why not make a payment option that you can choose to watch the Starcraft 2 streams only? Is this difficult to realise? I hardly think so. Another thing for me is the quality of play that I can expect, the casting and how the downtime is filled(not with repititive music). I bought a GSL and GSTL annual pass cause I think its the best Starcraft 2 in the world hands down and the casting is extremely good, will MLG have the same quality? Its hard to imagine plus the price is 20$ for a WEEKEND of Starcraft 2. I feel like I am getting much more value for my money with the GSL and other tournaments.
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Poll from this thread
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: How much would you pay for MLG PPV?I wouldn't even buy it for $10 or less. (959) 39% I'd pay $10, but not $20. (945) 38% I'm fine with the $20 price point, but I'd gladly pay $10. (205) 8% I bought Gold, and I think I should receive the Arena passes at no extra charge. (169) 7% I bought Gold, and I'd pay $5 if the regular price were $10. (111) 5% I bought Gold, and I'd pay $10 if the regular price were $20. (67) 3% 2456 total votes Your vote: How much would you pay for MLG PPV? (Vote): I'm fine with the $20 price point, but I'd gladly pay $10.
(Vote): I'd pay $10, but not $20.
(Vote): I wouldn't even buy it for $10 or less.
(Vote): I bought Gold, and I'd pay $10 if the regular price were $20.
(Vote): I bought Gold, and I'd pay $5 if the regular price were $10.
(Vote): I bought Gold, and I think I should receive the Arena passes at no extra charge.
Poll from the PPV announcement thread
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Would you pay if it was 10$ and 5$ for MLG Gold Members?No (1520) 74% Yes (539) 26% 2059 total votes Your vote: Would you pay if it was 10$ and 5$ for MLG Gold Members? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Is this another one of those "results disagree" bugs ? Or do TL forumers just agree with whatever was said in the OP...
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It is so refreshing to see a cool-headed, clearly expressed response to this issue...and on the Internet, of all places!
Thank you, Alex, for once again bringing some rational argumentation to the table.
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I couldn't care less if they decided they wanted to get paid.
But I care that they marketed and sold gold membership which doesn't give what they promised.
Misleading and lying is not good marketing or business practice - and I paid for access to MLG HQ streams with that gold membership. And it expires later this year. If it was intended for the season, then it should have expired december 31st.
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I really hope MLG tanks this years. I loved a lot of their events up to this point but if they are succsesful with this whats next? PPV for all events? Dont act like its out of question either because it most definantly isn't
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