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On February 14 2012 17:25 colate wrote:
I won't renew my MLG Gold membership if we keep being fed with this bullshit. End of story.
... my thought as well.
I don't mind paying for content. I really, really don't mind. I pay for GSL, GSTL, paid for mlg gold, nasl access season 1 (and uhm, not aftward), IPL ... and tons of non-sc2 related stuff.
But I mind paying for a years membership if I get nothing in return.
If I pay for a years membership to watch HD streams and vod, then I expect to get a years membership of HD streams and vod - regardless of whatever changes you make in the meantime.
Way to go to alienate those that did pay ... I guess. In addition, make the damn announcement a bit earlier might be a bit more sane.
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On February 14 2012 17:26 SlashSP wrote:
20$ per person and the entire prize-pool for sc2 is 26k
give me a break......
this exacttttllllyyyyy... I'm not gonna pay for jack shit. DH assembly you still have my love.
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This might actually produce the interesting situation of, while being economically sustainable (given the high cost they'll probably only need a few thousand viewers to return a profit), alienating the majority of the community at the same time.
From a business perspective it does of course make the most sense because it basically eliminates any financial risk, still it makes me sad that they don't even try to come up with a new business model that holds benefits for both customer and seller given this is a relatively new market.
But then again in capitalism the easiest way to make a profit still is extortion.
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On February 14 2012 17:20 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 17:06 Parcelleus wrote:
Boycott MLG, don't let them get away with treating us like idiots.
GOM, Dreamhack, IEM, IPL, NASL all run successfully by standard advertising.
Sundance tweeted :
"look - I know this is a shock to some but it has to happen. That or we'll wind up with 2 events a year and no NA scene."
Is anyone actually swallowing his Bullshit ?
If that's actually true then it sounds to me that NA can't realistically support an SC2 scene. That would really suck, but it doesn't mean that people are going to overpay for content. Since when is MLG a charity? If these doomsday predictions are true, then I'll watch whatever scene is left. We'll see what happens with Europe and Korea. More likely I think this is a scare tactic in the face of a harsher reaction than I guess they were expecting. "Buy this product or bad things will happen to you" That business model is pretty popular in southern Italy, haha. Maybe instead of the UFC, MLG is borrowing a page from the mafia
Kinda reminds me of the schpeal with the Gold memberships. "Buy Gold memberships or we won't be able to increase the prize pool." (I know those weren't his exact words, but that's what it felt like.) Well, apparently that worked so well he decided to milk the community even more. The burden for holding MLG events or having a respectable prize pool shouldn't lie on whether or not the viewer is willing to fork out money to watch it. That just seems like a poor way to run any type of "show."
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Record Viewer numbers because of SC2 Last year for MLG and they pull this shenanigans its obvious he's trying to get more money from people; in a really weird way at that.
I can't believe they would do something like this forcing people to pay to watch the MLG stuff when they were so successful with their viewer-ship last year. Trying to make a quick buck on a sinking ship he thinks i believe.
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I cannot believe all the complaints about this in this thread. $20? Really guys? That is a hell of a deal, and the money supports ESPORTS.
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Bad move by MLG. The qualifiers haven't been as ritzy and exciting as standard MLGs, and now they're blocking viewership of the arena? If the Championship follows the same format, then I doubt that MLG will retain the business it's been getting.
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On February 14 2012 17:40 zerglingrodeo wrote:
I cannot believe all the complaints about this in this thread. $20? Really guys? That is a hell of a deal, and the money supports ESPORTS.
A Helluva a rip-off if you ask me 20$ for one event compared to all other SC2 events this is a high-way robbery.
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On February 14 2012 17:40 zerglingrodeo wrote:
I cannot believe all the complaints about this in this thread. $20? Really guys? That is a hell of a deal, and the money supports ESPORTS.
Please Read my post on Page 95. It does actually NOT support E-Sports as much as you might think
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While I do applaud MLG for their response to the viewership in the past during those rough times in the beginning, I do think that they should apply some common sense to their desire to "grow eSports". It has taken years for regular sports to be accepted by a larger audience and they seem to be bent on trying to "force the issue". That is not good, because it seems to be an unnatural growth which probably is not sustainable on a regular basis. Esports is something which requires the internet and thus it is decentralized and competition can come up easily AND cheaply. Thus it probably wont work for long and since MLG is blocking out a part of the potential viewership by making their "service" PPV it is the same as "regular TV" and "cable TV", BUT the difference in quality of the service wont be as big.
Do you still get ads during the MLG show? I cant imagine they could do without that kind of revenue and the "Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access Stream" already contains a brand name. So that is actually worse than cable ...
Do you get regular ads during "low tier tournaments"? Not really, which makes it better than free TV which usually is paid for by ads.
Can you quantify the difference between caster X and caster Y? Every caster has his style and some people prefer one over the other, but there are quite a few acceptable ones out there by now. Bitching about one of them or hero-worshipping the other doesnt matter, because it is all about entertainment.
Is the stream from MLG guaranteed to be lag-free for everyone? Probably not, because MLG can only influence the upload, but the download for each viewer around the world might screw up as well.
Cutting off a big part of the viewership wont increase the money made IMO, because people might just buy one pass for a group of friends and then watch it all together in the same room - IF THEY DONT WATCH SOMETHING DIFFERENT and free - whereas they might have each of them bought a pass with lower prices. What about bigger parties in an internet café for example? Are those "legally possible" or do they need to pay extra?
In any case ... the Decorah Eagle stream is still free and available all the time ... (they havent started laying eggs yet, but the first might come in 10 days or so).
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On February 14 2012 17:42 Vanimar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 17:40 zerglingrodeo wrote:
I cannot believe all the complaints about this in this thread. $20? Really guys? That is a hell of a deal, and the money supports ESPORTS. Please Read my post on Page 95. It does actually NOT support E-Sports as much as you might think
Without any sorts of numbers, the claim that "advertising is better because more people watch" is not helpful to me.
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On February 14 2012 17:40 zerglingrodeo wrote:
I cannot believe all the complaints about this in this thread. $20? Really guys? That is a hell of a deal, and the money supports ESPORTS.
It doesn't.
It creates an elitist group of people that can watch a tournament, the SC2 community will shrink in size because of a PPV model, and fact is that the community is nowhere near big enough to have a PPV model.
If MLG actually wanted to support E-sports they would have invested in it and make more money later on, when it's actually possible in the long run.
MLG is a business and they have every right to do whatever the fuck they want, but that doesn't mean we should all just support such a stupid idea.
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Sir Scoots on Live on 3 said something like that will happen and I have to agree with this buisness model. If we want to grow e-sports even further, we need to accept things like this. This money is directly supporting leagues, players, teams, which need money. Progamers are not living in mansions, drving 100k cars. Community is supportive as it is, but we need to take a step further.
Those proffesionaly involved into the e-sports need to get paid properly for their work. They invest a lot of time, energy, nerves into it and they cannot run on passion. They NEED to get paid. In a long run this will get us a stable e-sport with fresh talent running into e-sport because they feel safe to invest time into e-sport and get something back.
The time of innocent progaming which included a few passion driven guys like artosis, Day9, DjWheat, InControl, Nony are over. Now it's a buisness. Everyone wanted that. Everyone wanted the players to get full time into e-sports and the only way to do this, is if they get paid enough to make a reasonable living.
I support MLG decision and respect their courage for being first (they were first right?) to do something like that. But I would like to discuss 2 points
1. The price is 20, which in my opinion is a bit high for the things you get. I would like some more content. Maybe a discount on future PPV content or something like that... It's a bit high. That's my point, for the first ever PPV event.
2. Current e-sport demographics is young. Most of the people are under 21 or just a few years older. Those are minors and students, who do not necessary have a credit card or in case of students are pretty much broke most of the time. Is this buisness model viable in a such demographic? Only time will tell, for the love of e-sports I hope it will
To the community. Don't bring on the pitchforks and think a bit about the good things PPV may bring to e-sports and the viewers/community
To MLG I wish good luck and don't panic if the first time is not a sucsess. It always gets a little bit worse before it gets better.
BUT we must not forget our roots of success in the recent years. It was streaming. FREE streaming and content. It's okay for some events to be PPV, but we need to stay true to our roots
Peace
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It feels a bit weird that buying an HD pass (the free streams were still available) for a few events last year costed less than buying a pass for a single event this year. I would pay but not $20.
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So my gold membership that I paid for to watch Sc2 only pretty much doesn't cover 7 of the events.... yea fuck off mlg.
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On February 14 2012 17:06 Parcelleus wrote:
Boycott MLG, don't let them get away with treating us like idiots.
GOM, Dreamhack, IEM, IPL, NASL all run successfully by standard advertising.
Sundance tweeted :
"look - I know this is a shock to some but it has to happen. That or we'll wind up with 2 events a year and no NA scene."
Is anyone actually swallowing his Bullshit ?
Nope, not swallowing it at all he's basically saying he made up a buisness plan for a year relying heavily on customers paying 20$ for 3 days worth of content which is not a guarantee, that's just very risky buisness... If there was only MLG as a big starcraft tournament that could work but the starcraft community has so much other stuff they can watch.
Always provide a free stream and charge a little for better quality, some people will buy that just to support eSports like myself I'm not that into Sc2 as I'm more into DotA but I paid a couple bucks to watch MLGs in good quality last season cause I hope eSports will keep growing, incase I was home and had nothing to do on the weekend I could just put a stream on it was very convenient but this is just way too much money for someone who's not religiously following everything starcraft.
I could see it being good for people that are very much into starcraft if they have no downtime and lots of interviews and other stuff starcraft like montages and such for the whole three days that could be a lot of content but I dunno how they'll do it at these Arenas, if it's like the bigger tournaments with a lot of downtime (looking at crowd for many minutes) commercials and whatnot I'd be outraged if I paid for that.
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On February 14 2012 17:45 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 17:40 zerglingrodeo wrote:
I cannot believe all the complaints about this in this thread. $20? Really guys? That is a hell of a deal, and the money supports ESPORTS. It doesn't. It creates an elitist group of people that can watch a tournament, the SC2 community will shrink in size because of a PPV model, and fact is that the community is nowhere near big enough to have a PPV model. If MLG actually wanted to support E-sports they would have invested in it and make more money later on, when it's actually possible in the long run. MLG is a business and they have every right to do whatever the fuck they want, but that doesn't mean we should all just support such a stupid idea.
Elitist? The people who paid 80 bucks for blizzcon must have been billionaires, then.
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I am very happy to financially support E-Sports broadcasters and players for providing the content that I love, and I've correspondingly spent a pretty big chunk of change on the sport. I have year passes to the GSL and GSTL, and I bought a gold membership for MLG at the end of 2011 because I was impressed with what they had done that year.
And what is MLG's response to me? Instead of the six pro circuit events that they ran last year, they are now only running five, and they've decided that one of them isn't part of my gold membership package, even though it's part of the year-long tournament that I paid to watch.
This is just straight up sleazy. I'm cancelling my gold membership if it doesn't grant me access to the entire 2012 season.
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