MLG will get my $20 for the Arena weekend. It's now on MLG to impress me enough to make me buy more.
MLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 88
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hacky
United States63 Posts
MLG will get my $20 for the Arena weekend. It's now on MLG to impress me enough to make me buy more. | ||
Femari
United States2900 Posts
Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple. It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. | ||
BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
"Gold Membership is a great way to get access to the best that MLG has to offer. Watch the Live Events in High Definition..." And now this: "The MLG Winter Arena PPV Event is not included in any of MLG’s current Membership packages." And I thought the Gold Package was such a great idea when I paid for it when it came out last year... this is basically bait and switch, I am disgusted with MLG. The MLG Winter Arena is essentially a Pro Circuit Event. | ||
domane
Canada1606 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:07 Milkis wrote: It would be interesting if MLG has another step planned and lowers the price to $10 at the last minute.They probably started with 20 dollars cause it's always nicer on PR to lower price than to raise prices. So you "experiment" with the higher price first in this case I suppose. Something like "due to the overwhelming feedback from the community" blah blah blah | ||
AcrosstheSky
United States237 Posts
I fully understand that its necessary for a sustainable buisness model but hell it's a shame, I always looked forward to MLG. I wish they could do something like NASL and GSL where just the vods are PPV and the live is free. | ||
Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:14 BronzeKnee wrote: First we had this: "Gold Membership is a great way to get access to the best that MLG has to offer. Watch the Live Events in High Definition..." And now this: "The MLG Winter Arena PPV Event is not included in any of MLG’s current Membership packages." And I thought the Gold Package was such a great idea when I paid for it when it came out last year... this is basically bait and switch, I am disgusted with MLG. This is my main problem with this move. Although the $20 is sort of prohibitive for me, I'll watch the VODS. I just feel bad for those of you who bought the pass, and now are expected to tack another $20 on. Not illegal, but sort of unethical. | ||
RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote: I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple. It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. People have friends. Friends that are into starcraft enough to make it a weekend event, not so much. | ||
TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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juicyjames
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United States3815 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:15 domane wrote: It would be interesting if MLG has another step planned and lowers the price to $10 at the last minute. Something like "due to the overwhelming feedback from the community" blah blah blah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique The door-in-the-face (DITF) technique is a persuasion method. The persuader attempts to convince someone to comply with a request by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down, with a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request. Robert Cialdini suggests this as a form of reciprocity, i.e. the (induced) sharp negative response to the first request creates a sense of debt or guilt that the second request offers to clear, and the reduced second request is interpreted by the receiver as a concession which is reciprocated by compliance with the request. Alternately, a reference point (or framing) construal may explain this phenomenon, as the initial bad offer sets a reference point from which the second offer looks like an improvement. | ||
KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote: I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple. It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends! | ||
Haydin
United States1481 Posts
If MLG wants more of my money, they're going to have to be a lot more reasonable about this. I'm not going to blindly throw money at them. Their product has to give me the same kind of value I can get from their competitors, and this just doesn't do that. | ||
Hamdemon
United States348 Posts
I'm not trying to sound mean, but generally people who have the time to spend all weekend watching an esports tourney are going to be primarily the underemployed, or people in school. People who have busy lives who are fully employed GENERALLY won't be the people doing this kind of stuff. And even if there were, there are dozens of other tourneys NOT charging for usually better games and more reliable amounts of content. It's pretty obvious to me that at the end of the year MLG was looking and said "Crap we're not making enough money" which is why they cut a ton of their events, their weekly casts and other staff. When I heard that announced I knew trouble was coming. MLG is hurting for money real bad and this is a desperation move that is going to backfire, that's the message they're sending. Maybe they're not hurting for money and it's just greed, but it seems to me they can't pay their bills. | ||
baba1
Canada355 Posts
i stopped paying for GSL because they changed their prices | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:16 juicyjames wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique The door-in-the-face (DITF) technique is a persuasion method. The persuader attempts to convince someone to comply with a request by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down, with a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request. Robert Cialdini suggests this as a form of reciprocity, i.e. the (induced) sharp negative response to the first request creates a sense of debt or guilt that the second request offers to clear, and the reduced second request is interpreted by the receiver as a concession which is reciprocated by compliance with the request. Alternately, a reference point (or framing) construal may explain this phenomenon, as the initial bad offer sets a reference point from which the second offer looks like an improvement. Door in Face technique doesn't work though if there's a competitive market, though. I mean, we all hold what's a fair price based on what the competition offers them for. I think this is honestly just to see how much demand is there to begin with. They may lower price if they don't think it will meet how much they're hoping to make to see how elastic the price is. | ||
quantumslip
United States188 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:17 Haydin wrote: Well I'll be watching the Asus ROG tournament then. $20 for a weekend with ads? That's a completely ridiculous price compared to everything MLG has offered previously, as well as every other competitor out there. I mean, it's $5 less than an entire, several month season of GSL! They're really screwing over their gold members here, and pulling this less than a week before the event is not exactly the kind of behavior I've come to expect from MLG. If MLG wants more of my money, they're going to have to be a lot more reasonable about this. I'm not going to blindly throw money at them. i keep seeing this. what makes you think that you will be seeing ads? how do you know? why are you assuming? and you're not the only one; multiple people in this thread have said that they are not going to pay PPV to see a stream with ads. debate the merits of the PPV model, but don't make baseless accusations like that. | ||
tdt
United States3179 Posts
On February 14 2012 14:55 Akta wrote: Been thinking about the "charity" aspect as well. Don't think I'll buy it just to support it but I don't really know why. Perhaps because it wont help anyone else or whatever since there are no free streams for others to watch. Or because I'd rather see other models succeed like dreamhacks, or other innovations. I mean, why buy something for other reasons than that I think it's worth it when I can't think of any other reason. Can't see how it could attract more future viewers for example, feels more like the opposite. And I don't know how well produced it will be or if there will be tons of boring downtime etc. I'm not even sure it's good in the long run if the big organizations rely on charity, unlike players and teams where it's more of a sustainable natural part of the revenue.. Something as noble as charity is usually reserved for those less fortunate is probably why you have issue with it. Business is cut throat, Darwinian, high fail rate, and it's participants are not applicable in the less fortunate spectrum. Don't worry. This dying off of uncompetitive products is quite natural and what will happen is what always happens, a premier product or products will emerge and continue bringing you SC at it's very best. | ||
Femari
United States2900 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote: Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends! So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either? Poor choice of friends. | ||
Chronald
United States619 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:16 juicyjames wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique The door-in-the-face (DITF) technique is a persuasion method. The persuader attempts to convince someone to comply with a request by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down, with a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request. Robert Cialdini suggests this as a form of reciprocity, i.e. the (induced) sharp negative response to the first request creates a sense of debt or guilt that the second request offers to clear, and the reduced second request is interpreted by the receiver as a concession which is reciprocated by compliance with the request. Alternately, a reference point (or framing) construal may explain this phenomenon, as the initial bad offer sets a reference point from which the second offer looks like an improvement. This has been plaguing eSports since the beginning. Especially in the West... MLG sending definite mixed messages that they don't seem to have their story straight. I can understand the need for increased income and growth, but too much explosive growth causes an even larger collapse. Gretech, GOM, and GSL have gone slow with changing and adding things with their formats and tournaments because its the proper way to maintain your fans while adding new ones. Makes sense, and is successful, not too sure why MLG would do anything but that. Especially since they are partnered with GSL/Gretech/GOM | ||
Rad
United States935 Posts
To be quite honest, I'm not sure I'd pay even a few $ to watch it with all the other free (advertisement supported) content out there. SC2 tourney providers need to realize that this stuff adds up and we're not going to be willing to dish out a lot of money per month just to watch SC2. Give me something like $30 for a year of MLG and you might have me considering it. Bump that up to GSL prices and I'll do the same thing I am with them, paying seasonal for just GSL until enough good free content comes out that I stop for good. | ||
y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On February 14 2012 14:59 Brosy wrote: The problem shouldn't be that MLG is charging for this event, but the way they are handling it. -They announce 4 days before the event that it will be PPV. -Gold members are not included -Sundance has tweeted that MLG will have a package put together for the rest (6 more) of the arenas so people can buy passes in bulk. They should have implemented a system where if they are making a series of 7 events PPV than have the premium package available before they start. Also to announce that an event is PPV 4 days before the even is completely unprofessional from a business stand point. $20 may not be a large amount of money but when the majority of the viewer base is younger, and unlikely to have established careers, giving short notice on any expense is considerably inconsiderate. The event is 10 days away but even that is very short notice... Something as big as this should be announced at the same time as the tournament. I feel bad for everyone who purchased gold/premium/whatever memberships thinking they were covered for all mlg events ![]() As someone who has spent as much as $45 a month to watch UFC fights... $20 is not a bad deal. However, I really wonder if it's a good price point for this fanbase. Despite the number of adult watchers (how much does a round of drinks at a barcraft cost?) I think there are a lot of potential viewers who would be able to watch if it was cheaper. Unfortunately for me, fair =| affordable (especially when there's already a free tournament the same weekend). I think a PPV/subscription model is inevitable for the amount of content some of these tournaments give us... I just don't like the approach mlg has taken here. | ||
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